My Two Cents in Making Sense Of It All...
WOW! Anyone who wanted a Kings fix had plenty to take in over the last 18 hours or so. After reading everyone's take on the hiring of Paul Westphal I cannot help but jump into the fray albeit a day late and a dollar short on a myriad topics.
On the Maloofs - Thanks for allowing the process (as painful for us fans as it was) to run its course. Of course I have seen old ladies run faster at JJ North's for their 'early bird buffet', but that's a boring story only my dead grandma would love.
Petrie had a strong friendship and great synergy with Adelman that he was never able to leverage during the last few coaching stints. By allowing Petrie to make this call, the success or failings of this decision can now be attributed to Petrie and given his lame duck status, it would be unfair to not renew his contract after this season because your short list of coaching hires were less equipped for performance than a Yugo at Daytona.
On Geoff Petrie - Geoff, has one last hurrah to make this franchise good again. I trust that he will maximize the opportunity to prove himself yet again (remember he was voted Executive of the year twice). I believe he will overcome the challenges associated with the Kings presently. But consider what Petrie is up against:
- A deficient roster that would not win in the Euro League.
- A Business hemorrhaging money that even Obama's stimulus package won't remedy.
- A facility that without a successor may reduce basketball in Sacramento to just the Monarchs (ugh) and the every other year NCAA Regional or Prep State Final (Sorry Sac State, Hornet Basketball is somewhere between AAU and the Fulton-El Camino Rec League at this point.
- A draft so weak that the team who selects the last PG in the first round has an equal chance to make the All Rookie Team next year. We are so lucky that we get three picks in this draft versus any other year when this could be the difference in the Kings being in the lottery again versus the 8th seed.
- A fan base that will no longer spend their last disposable dollar to witness bad basketball.
- A new coach who must dust the cobwebs off his '93 playbook on how to take an awesome team to the finals and write a new chapter on how to make an awful team awesome.
All this in 10 months just to be considered for a contract extension.
On Westphal - In agreement with a lot of your posts, Westphal makes sense. It would not have been my choice, but I already ranted and raved about that. In Westphal, Petrie has a guy that he can trust:
- Handling the Media (no idiotic statements, rants to the press after tough losses, no DUIs, etc.)
- Handling the pressures of the NBA Carousel (he is not going to pine to the Maloofs behind Petrie's back, or become overly stressed about the lack of security in the coaching ranks. Won't worry about his rapport with the players.)
- Head Coaching Responsibilities (He will be very comfortable with managing the day to day stuff, knows what needs to be done, how to do so confidently. Will round out his staff with senior guys that will be delegated with responsibilities without fear that they will take his job.)
- Evaluating Players (Petrie has an opinion and Westphal will likely feel the same so little rub here. They will be able to discuss trade scenarios, draft options with similar perspectives.)
- Win Games (We were 2-15 in games decided by 3 points or less last year. Being able to design a play that will win the game is an art and requires a feel for the game situation, but most importantly experience. As a former player and long time coach, Westphal has a lot more to pull from than anyone else we could have hired.)
- Developing Players (He like Adelman knows how to deal with players and most players like the guy. While the verdict is still out on how well he can cultivate young talent, he will benefit from a hungry young team that wants to get better. While I don't think Westphal helps our defense, insert defensive assistant here, he does have the Johnson and Payton eras to draw from so assuming we improve at point guard execution this year is a safe bet.)
On Westphal's future staff - A few names have been assumed so far. It is funny that some of the positive feedback on Petrie hiring Westphal stem from an assumption that Ellie and Porter come too. Absent that, I wonder if some pessimism quickly leaks into our psyches knowing how painfully bad we are defensively. Regardless here is some info on this alleged short list:
Terry Porter - I loved this guy back in the late '80s and early '90s when he played for Adelman (under Petrie) with Portland. Porter averaged 12.2 points, 5.6 assists and 1.24 steals, an All-Star in 1991,1993 and he is 11th on the NBA’s all-time assist list (7,160). Most interesting is Porter played for five of the top 36 coaches (games won) in NBA history: Pat Riley (1,110), Jack Ramsay (864), Rick Adelman (603), Gregg Popovich (339) and Flip Saunders (328).
As a Head Coach, despite that windfall of coaching mentorship, Terry has not faired well. His over all record in 194 games is 87 W - 107 L. He spent one season with the Kings in '03. 2 with the Bucks, and half a season with Phoenix. During the '05-'06, '07-'08 and 1/2 '09 seasons he was out of the league. In other words he has only worked full time about 50% over the last 5 NBA seasons. Those are big gaps. His defensive rating as the head coach at Milwakee was 23rd and 28th for those seasons.
As an assistant coach with Detroit, their defensive rating was 7th with a very talented core that included Chancey Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace but a hobbled Chris Webber. As an assistance coach with Sac back in '03 the defensive rating was 2nd in the league--although it was Terry's first gig as a coach so not sure how much can be deduced there.
I get that the guy can help teach defense in an up-tempo offense that Westphal will likely run, I just think as as coach he may be over-rated.
Mario Elie - Super Mario was a late bloomer having more success playing ball on the streets of New York and in Europe before finally becoming an NBA player 5 seasons after being drafted. He has 3 RIngs, two with Houston and one with the Spurs before retiring after the '00 season.
He started his NBA coaching career 6 season ago with the Spurs and also spent two season at Golden State before landing in Dallas two years ago.. He has a good knowledge base of the European game and also speaks Spanish, French and Portuguese.
In the '04 season the Spurs were the best defensive rated team. The Warriors were 16th and 17th during Elie's stay there. The Mavericks defensive ratings over the last two seasons were 9th and 17th. I am not sure why Elie would leave Dallas with an owner that has money and a team that is in the playoffs where his visibility for a head coaching job will continue to improve.
I like Elie more than Porter but don't see why Kings pay for a contract buy-out and why Elie takes a step down from a winning franchise to the Kings.
Brian James - 4 years with the Bucks and stints with the Wizards, Raptors and Pistons. 5 seasons in the playoffs over 10 years. Was a scout with Seattle prior to that and former high school basketball coach. He worked under Porter while with the Bucks.
Bryan Gates - Head Coach of the Stampede in the NBA Development League. Despite never playing college basketball has been a very successful coach including 9 seasons with the Stampede where they won the D-League championship last year. He is known for teamwork, rebounding and defense.
Overall I don't have an issue with any of these coaches joining Paul Westphal. I just still feel we are light on candidates with proven defensive success in the NBA over the last several years.
On Rambis - A lot of us down here in So Cal are not surprised that Rambis was not going to happen. Phil will be done soon if not after this season, and Rambis is myopic enough to wait longer if need be to take over the most prestigious franchise in Basketball (sit down, chowder heads I know you have more rings) with all the money, acclaim, celebrities and success it will expectedly bring.
Not lost on Rambis is that the Staples Center is the crown jewel of the NBA right now. LA Live with the Nokia Theatre across the street is sick so he won't have to work part time selling the Kings to developers or worried about moving to some other hell hole mid-season.
As much as we love Joe and Gavin kickin' it with an occasional celeb, Jerry Buss is second only to Heffner in pulling in the ass. Rambis will make double what we are paying Westphal if he takes over for the Lakers so there was little upside in leaving LaLaland for the Kings. Petrie did the right thing by pulling the trigger on a guy who wants to be in Sac versus a guy that would only consider Sac as a consolation prize.
On Mayor Kevin Johnson - So this triangulation between The Kings, Coach Westphal (the sound is growing on me) and Petrie is intriguing. I hope I speak for all of us that we hoped that there would be some Kings benefit with Kevin in charge. Perhaps Westphal helps bridge that gap. I am sure Mayor Johnson wants the Kings to be successful, but you gotta believe that there will be even more love coming the Kings way now that his buddy has the job. Let's keep our fingers crossed that somehow, either downtown, West Sac, Natomas or Cal Expo translates into the Kings remaining in Sacramento.
On the Draft - We have all dissected this draft in hopes of feeling comfortable on who the 3-4 choices will be based on the what happens with picks 1-3. Even a few months into this I still don't think there is a consensus on the logical trade scenario(s) , trade(s) up/down, or needs by teams above us in the draft. Simply put Blake will be drafted first, but will the Clippers keep him and what happens next is still completely unpredictable.
There is no argument that we will draft a point guard. Given Westphal's history with Johnson and Payton, I suspect his influence will be valuable in assisting Petire on who to draft. I am keenly interested in any potential feedback on the guard evaluations this week and expect we will be debating the point guard position intensely up until draft day.
In Summary - I love all the responses regarding our beloved Kings. I am optimistic about the draft and next season and the future of the Kings remaining in Sacramento. I mean, I have to be, I don't have a cat to kick...
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Excellent summary on the assistant coaches
I wasn’t all that keen on your coaches poll but you did an excellent pulling it all together here.
I don’t have a cat to kick either and while I’m not particularly excited about our new coach (that’s not negative) I think he is an adequate and reasonably solid first step in turning the team around. I’m coming around to the point you made and that Pook made at EC that the relationship between Westphal and Petrie is important and that he and Petrie probably see things in a similar way and that Petrie’s comfort level with Westphal is a good thing for the team.
Nice job, now on to the draft where we will really have something to talk about. Since you are from SoCal I want to thank you for improving my understanding of the Jerry Buss phenomenon which kept Rambis in LA. I wouldn’t have left either and it ain’t all about the money.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Thanks BJ
I agree with not being excited about PW but like pookey am resigned Petrie wanted who he wanted.
My seven years down here in the OC makes trips back to Sactown dreadful save family and the Kings (this not a slam on Sac, really) and I can only imagine the socal lifestyle would make those hob nobbing with celebs and flirting with fame day in and day out retecent to leaving.
I hope to return to sac some day but I won’t lie and tell you that nice weather, ocean views, hot chicks every day gets old.
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 10, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions
So live in Socal for the rest of your life
Who wishes to blame you for that?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
as a lifelong Northern Californian who gets to SoCal about once a year
I am always amazed by the women in LA. It’s lie every good looking woman in the world migrated there and a woman who would set Chico on fire can’t even get a waitressing gig in LA. And then they start to talk and I remember the old adage ‘you can’t tell a book by the cover." You don’t have to apologize for LA as long as you haven’t become a fan and clearly you haven’t.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
The Mounties are only one reason
You sell Canadia short 214.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hey, OC, don't sell yourself short.
That was at least ten cents.
Long post. I’ll read it after the wedding.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions
Good luck with that...
First comes love,
Then comes marriage
Then comes the alternative minimum tax
Here is to hope that you make more than they take!
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 10, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Not my wedding.
My daughter’s.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
No wonder you come here late at night
Congrats to her, as well you & SB.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sorry, I am an idiot!
Feel free to pass it on to your future son-n-law, and cross your finger he doesn’t say, “Huh? I filed exempt”
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 11, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You allowed this to happen?
My daughter is never getting married. I figure if three or four of the boys that want to date her in high school mysteriously disappear, I’ll be home free.
by otis29 on Jun 11, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Spoken like an honest father
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wedding over
Everything went wonderfully, including a perfect double rainbow visible through the picture windows of the reception center for most of the evening.
She married a great guy who gives her a perfect combination of structure, support and adoration. She wore red converse all-stars with her very expensive wedding gown, and insisted that we serve popsicles. We were home by 10pm, but have a ton of leftover cake (and popsicles).
Party at my house. Tomorrow. I’m taking today off.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 12, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ red converse all-stars
I guess Wedding’s are different when you don’t drink at them. LOL
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Congrats
Here’s to SB, LPA, kk and the lucky groom, who is destined to become a KIngs fan if he is not one already.
Mazel Tov!
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
kk is my son.
My daughter doesn’t post here. But she does think you guys are hilarious.
And since the groom is a transplant from Washington which no longer has a team, I think we have a shot at getting him converted. Especially since he’s still in the “I’m-sucking-up-a-little-so-you’ll-think-I’m-good-enough-for-your-daughter” phase.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 12, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
People from the NW are evil
Take my word for it.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They cast magic spells like Starbucks
And set the rest of the world into shock value motion immediately.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There's still time
I can get a two-for-one on a hitman if you like (mine will have to be on retainer since my daughter’s only 6).
Seriously, congrats on the wedding. Good to have you back around.
The day my daughter's first date comes to the house
is that day that all my knives need sharpening and the guns need cleaning.
I'm with ya
I know what young men are like, so I’ve got it all planned out – the year before she goes into high school (or earlier if necessary), I do the following:
Take a sabbatical from work.
Order copious amounts of steroids and HGH.
Pump iron like a madman.
Grow my hair long and grow my beard out.
Many, many tattoos will be in order. Maybe a few of those teardrops in the corner of my eyes.
I like the idea of putting a few rifles over the fireplace, but machetes might be even more effective. Maybe a barbed wire covered bat will stand in the corner of the living room.
Now, I think making one of her first boyfriends disappear is probably a bad idea. Maybe smacking one around will be enough to get word around the high school. So I need to keep my record clean now, as I will probably have to serve some time later. I figure a first offense won’t net me too much jail time, and the problem will be solved.
Interestingly enough, I told my wife about this plan and she didn’t try to talk me out of it. ;)
And
Thank you to all of you for your good wishes.
BTW, he didn’t file exempt!
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 12, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait for it....ahhh! Now I can wish my congrats...
Enjoy your day off and then back to work as we have way to many choices in the draft to sit idly by…
Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 12, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Little late to the party, but I'll say Best wishes to the bride to be
As for the original post? You lost me here:
A deficient roster that would not win in the Euro League.
I didn’t read anything after that, sorry.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 13, 2009 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions
No kidding about no consensus on #4
every new player we work out has everyone hoping that This is the guy. Me? I have no idea who we’ll pick unless Thabeet or Rubio fall – and I’m not certain on Rubio if we have no guarantee he’ll show up this year.
My current guess is Jrue Holiday. I don’t have a fav at this point.
On coaches……I don’t know crap but would dearly like to see some defense.
On trading up – for who? A guy that may not show up this year? I’ll take Thabeet (of course) unless we could get #1 from the clips.
(Hey, I’ll take Kamen off thier hands for the #1 swapped for the #4 and Nocioni. Kamen could buy Brad’s house and elk horn collection.)
lots of PGs to take later
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
No consensus
First I loved Flynn, Hill and Lawson during the tourney.
Then I thought we would win the lottery and Blake was our guy.
Then I loved Rubio, thinking we would move up to 2.
Then I loved Thabeet, cuz I was thinking we need a big to rotate in and block shots ( could be our own Poor man’s Dikembe) and later in the draft Jennings would be ours as his numbers and bad press would drop his stock down to 23.
Then pookey sells me that he might actually be less risk and more upside than Rubio.
Now I want to flip a coin and if it’s head we go Tyreke, tails we go Jru…
Oh what the hell, I haven’t a clue!!!!
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
been there done that and I'm thinking that Petrie is leaning towards Jrue
I’m leaning towards Jennings myself and this Chad Ford article in Insider; http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=brandonjennings-090609 pretty much sealed it for me. There are too many people Ford qouted to name them all.
From Nenad Trajkovic who Ford thinks knows Jennings best ( “Trajkovic is sort of a legend in Europe when it comes to developing young players. He spent years in Serbia preparing guys all the way back to the Vlade Divac years.who was hired to work with Jennings”)……..“Jennings would practice up to four hours a day, sometimes longer with Trajkovic. A few hours were spent each day learning the offensive and defensive schemes. The rest was focused on fundamental development — ballhandling, shooting, basketball philosophy.”
More…..“For sure, Brandon matured as a person and a player this year,” Trajkovic said. "From the beginning I was concerned when I saw tape of him in the U.S. and watched him in Italy. He was a special athlete. But he didn’t know how to play the game. He liked to play one-on-one or one-on-five, not five-on-five. He dribbled too much. He took bad shots. He made incorrect reads.
Again, “We worked every day on his decision-making. We worked on the pick-and-roll. We taught him defense.” …………“He said Jennings was a quick study and that the improvement he made in the first few months was dramatic, albeit mostly in practice.”……..and from Ford and Trajkovic: “Trajkovic said Jennings kept working hard. They often would simulate game conditions in practice and Jennings would dominate, especially later in the season.”
“Brandon is so much better than the talent here [pointing to the players in the Eurocamp]. He is far and away in front of them in skills and athletic ability. He needs to be competing against your best.”
“He kept his focus. Playing was important. But so was development. Sometimes you can’t control how much you play. But you can keep working and stay positive. Brandon did this.”
Earlier in the article Ford quoted a NBA scout who had watched Jennings in 12 games and many practices:
“Maturity. Many four-year college players come overseas and can’t handle the dramatic change in lifestyle. They are home before Christmas. This kid stuck it out. He left his friends and his life behind. Things didn’t go his way with the team he chose. He wasn’t pampered. He felt disrespected. He didn’t complain. He showed up every day and worked his tail off. He kept getting better. What else do you want?”
So at the end of the day,unlike nbrans, I don’t watch that many college games and those I did mostly involved Blake Griffin. I don’t have the knowledge of the game to make much sense of the work out videos, all these kids look good to me.
I have made my decision on who I want the Kings to take with the 4th pick and that’s Brandon Jennings. I think he has a chance to be great and if he misses greatness I am willing to settle for very good. At this point I don’t think he’s going to be a bust.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Well said BJ
I just wish you had blockquoted more of Trajkovic’s quotes.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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