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Policing Ourselves

Instead of dispatching a gestapo of silent assasins to rid StR of trolls and idiots, I want us all to police the site and reject any sort of slippage into unsavory existence. We can do this three ways:

1. Flag. If it's spam, flag it. If it's inflammatory, flag it. If it's useless, flag it. I'll check the flags when I can and make nuclear decisions.

2. Rec. The best way to kill the spirit of the idiots is to rec the good stuff! Not just comments and FanPosts, but FanShots too. Not everything belongs on the front page, so I don't a lack of an FP to imply something isn't good. So I rec FanShots. I think I'm the only one.

3. Ignore. I won't lie: sometimes the "feed the trolls" threads end up being hilarious. But they really must be nuked to keep our place as tidy as it has been for its nearly four-year existence. Honestly, it's much better to flag and move on than to feed the fire of stupidity. Cut off the oxygen. These idiots want your goat. Keep your goat indoors. Keep it safe!

For my part, I'll post up some FanShot/FanPost guidelines later today as a reminder to the valued Royalists with valued thoughts who just don't quite have the system down yet. I'd love to get to a point where we have so many wonderful FanPosts I have to raise the rec minimum for Recommended FanPosts. (We already have higher standards on that than most SBN NBA blogs.)

Thanks to everyone for the contributions. Now let's drown out the idiots for good.

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Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 realz pplz

Jus agree w mai opinyunz n i wont hafta hayte on youz

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

That hurt my brain to type that

My apologies.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brain hurts reading it

So I feel your pain. :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suffer internal hemmorhaging

every time I visit.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

How do you think Greek King feels since I mistaked him for you

It’s all your fault your Greek pretending douche.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

He must feel awesome to have been mistaked for me ok!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would want to be mistaken for you?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suffering

My eyes usually don’t start bleeding until the 3,000th word of the intro paragraph

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean

when he wanders off on a different tangent, and then spends 1000 words apologizing for wandering off on a different tangent, but how its important anyway? :P

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly though

His tangents usually provide more insights than my full articles…

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly

I happen to disagree. But, that’s okay.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

since I'm one of them I guess that makes me a StR Royalist and an EC Loyalist

and I have one ridiculously stupid question: How do you rec a fan shot ot post?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 11, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the bottom of the post/shot

and click the green rec button. Its right above where the comments start.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might have to click Actions

first, to open up the Flag and Rec choices.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 11, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bj

Aykis’ statement is also how you flag said fanshot/fanpost/comment as well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have been busy last night flagging those punks and the idiot from GSoM

thanks

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 11, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They got mad because they don't get it

If they want to criticize Sac for being small and inconsequential, I can make fun of the Bay for being silly, over-populated, and over-expensive. If they don’t like it, fuck ’em.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hear Hear!

We shall obey, o mighty Wizard of Woodland. We stand in awe in front of your awesome ban hammer of truth, which hath slain many a vagrant troll beast.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

KAY

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen"
~ Michael Jordan

by ChiBullsFan on Jun 11, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DNFTT - Recognized as Do not feed the trolls, is sufficient going forward when those dastardly devils enter our fifedom.

on Wikipedia, the literature origin comes from Judith Donath where she writes, "Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group’s common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll’s enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one’s online reputation."

This is an answer even Cliff Claven would have adored.

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 11, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"keep your goat indoors"

I head the same thing from my prom date’s father.

Bastard.

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

*heard...not "head"

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

That’s comedic genius right there. Betting it was Section.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm betting it was too

Otherwise he wouldn’t have said it the way he did.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't me,

but I know who it was, and I stand in admiration…we’re going to miss you around here. :)

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 11, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Bye. Had to say it was fun.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Fantastic

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

I’m rec’ing this in honor of whoever flagged the post

by eduardo_m7 on Jun 11, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ziller pisses us off we can just go and flag every post

in every thread. The dreaded Flag Troll.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 11, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If my lack of posting continues...

…will I beome a troll?

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jun 11, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does being an anti-troll count?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

27FT raises a good question:

What, exactly, is a “troll”?

Is it the identity deceiver described by SactownHeart a few comments above? The shit talker or hater from some other fan base? A marketer looking merely to divert traffic to his/her site? Or is it something even less despicable?

Am I, a frequent reader but infrequent commenter, a troll? Does it depend on each person’s level of activity and obsessiveness as to STR?

Can the troll be distinguished from the imbecilic poster/commenter, or are they one and the same?

And if idiocy is the central concern, how is it to be judged? Are there any standards of quality that govern people’s contributions to this site? I think we all value the level of content here, and are grateful that it is a significant step above the innane banter on the SacBee comment page, but there does seem to be a sense of elitism here that is juuust a tad ridiculous for a fan site about a basketball team. Sometimes I feel bad for those unwitting bastards who submit a substance-free musing on the team or a harmless anecdote about Mikki Moore chasing them down in the ARCO parking lot. The attacks on these guys are a little over the top.

Finally, is a troll someone who don’t got good grammar or writin skillz? How about someone who is ignorant of essential web etiquette mandates such as FanPost vs. FanShot length? If so, what’s the STR tolerance threshold for those less eloquent and less web savy? Any standards? Or will arbitrary totalitarianism rule the day here at STR? I would harly describe this site as being populist. There are benefits and drawbacks to that, I suppose.

All I ask is that, before the dictatorial iron fist falls, consider taking some small measure of mercy on the innocent and well-intentioned Kings fans who dare venture into this snake pit.

by corbin on Jun 11, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did someone say snake?

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 11, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That will teach those trolls from crawling into our Snake Pit!

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 11, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the snake and what's the troll?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap!

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not a troll

Nothing you’ve ever written sticks out to me, but that’s mostly because you post infrequently.

That being said, if you don’t know what trolling really is, it’s just best that you probably keep it that way. Ignorance is bliss, and knowing the secrets of scary people is usually not wise.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

This type of post by TZ happens far far less frequently than pretty much any other sports blog I’ve regularly visited. Or most message boards for that matter. Using the term “dictatorial iron fist” in relation to this website is highly amusing.

And yes, there is some elitism here (guilty as charged). Color me crazy, but I think anyone who is a new guest in someone else’s house should pay a few visits and spend some quality time before they take a shit in the sink. We get far too many jackasses that come in, guns blazing from the first post, and tag the long-time posters here with the label of “groupthink”, or imply we don’t know what we are talking about. Those people can kiss my ass – twice if they like.

However, I’ve seen plenty of new members join the site and immediately add to the conversation and general knowledge. Many of the excellent fanposts here recently have come from relatively new members. I think those posters are treated pretty well overall, with at worst a small bit of help in matters of posting etiquette and board procedure.

Ultimately, we are pretty self-policing. TZ generally steps in when we’ve batted around the obvious trolls a bit too hard, and gives us a bit of gentle chastising. I wouldn’t really read anything more into it.

by otis29 on Jun 11, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would kiss your ass twice

But I just don’t swing that way.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well stated Pookey

As an aside, did I see right, that Blazers Edge has gone military on administration of their blog?

by otis29 on Jun 11, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have moderators now yeah

It was needed with the way Dave runs Bedge.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Don’t give me any credit for this, though. I just happen to write a lot, and I try to hold my writing to some sort of standard. That is something I learned from this community. I found a home here. I quickly checked out other SBN Blogs for my other favorite sports teams, and was sad to find that they could not match the quality of StR. Good sources of information to be sure, but not the wealth of information, passion, research, and dialog.

We can respectfully disagree on points. We can joke with each other. We can be a community. But don’t give me credit. A lot of people showed me the way, and have been much larger parts of making this site what it is. The kudos belong to quality contributors (too many to list, but we all know who they are), old and new.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But don’t give me credit

Right, because you have no influence on this community. And, umm, you’re a stupid Indonesian also.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

G let me rephrase this

Long before you became a front page author, your humor caused many to follow your lead. It was fun to read along,and comment with, because it was your brand and your style being exhibited. Nothing was being forced or mandatory, and it shows why StR is what it is. The creme rises to the crop. You’re just a recent example of said phenomenon.

You’re one of many reasons why StR is a rich & palatable place. Thanks, dude. Seriously.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibition of style
It was fun to read along,and comment with, because it was your brand and your style being exhibited.

Would this be his G Style?

by smgmatt on Jun 12, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's G

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

what makes a post not worthy of being up? I thought I just posted a conspiracy video of how the 85 draft was rigged, but i think it was taken down. Is semi serious content like that banned?

by ivAAron on Jun 11, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

also

possible that in my first attempt at posting a video I did it wrong

by ivAAron on Jun 11, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You did it wrong

But, also, that is pretty stupid too. We’re aware of it already, and we’ve already told the guy who made those video’s not to post them. (And, by we, I mean the community here.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just

assume you are calling the idea of Stern rigging the draft stupid and not me stupid for posting a video I just saw today, and found funny in relation to all the people lately saying that the draft is rigged. I think it’s just common sense that not everyone has been viewing every post every day since this sites inception. I’m sure you laughed at those videos the first time you saw them too. Not try to ruffle anyone’s feathers here. I’ve been going to this site for reading material for a while now (and even more so now that the Kings are in the state they are in) but hadn’t made a name or posted anything yet. Looks like I’m getting off to a rocky start in the posting department. My bad if I ever post anything in the future that has already been posted once before. Good talk. Everyone keep up the good work in making this site function. Here’s to a solid draft. Cheers

by ivAAron on Jun 11, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you're not an idiot

So that’s a good start.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TZ - once again, hats off (not your cap) for making and keeping this site in shape

your joy, pride and devotion are evident. Thank you. I realize you have a team and they deserve “big ups” as well.

I have but one request. It is about flagging as I just can’t ignore it. Could you please erase the adjective “poor man’s” from the StR lexicon? I beg you.

And thanks again.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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