Kings Pre-Draft Workout: James Harden 6/10/09 (via kingsflix)
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I dont know....
if its the beard or his size, but he reminds me of Baron Davis.
Is he predicted to remain a shooting guard or can he slide over to the point?
I have suffered through Joe Kleine, Pervis Ellison, Greg Kite, Dwayne Schintzius & many others. This team doesn't scare me!
It's just the beard.
He’s a shooting guard.
Read this
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1937019.html says he can play 1, 2, and 3 whether or not its true or just an attempt to raise his stock is for Petrie to decide.
by passionforPERPS on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden makes it look easy.
He has an effortless air about him with the way he moves, dribbles, and shoots. He reminds me a lot of Brandon Roy. If we are able to take him at 4, most drafts says he goes either 2 or 3, I wouldn’t mind at all. He plays the same position as our best player, but he would definitely be the BPA at 4.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
If you liked Harden's jumper
…check out Stephen Curry’s workout with Minnesota. He makes Harden’s jumper look like Shawn Marion. (Not really, but it’s pretty damn good.)
http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/6/11/906240/stephen-curry-gerald-henderson
by oldenpolynice on Jun 11, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry has a sweet shot
I guess the question is whether he’s a PG or not.
He’ll score in the NBA
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
All I can say is BUCKETS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting this because if Rubio is gone I now officially know who I want! We figure out how the minutes will break down or who gets traded later.
No issues with Harden rockin’ the purple…
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
Not much elevation in his jump shot and he holds the ball out in front of him while leaning down. Could have problems getting his shot if the defense really wants to contest him. Otherwise, you can see really well developed basketball skills. Also, he didn’t look fat to me.
This is what I was going to say
Not much elevation and lack of size means he’s going to have a hard time getting his shot off.
my takeaway
The 4 pick is way too high to take Shareef.
Harden looked incredibly smooth, but also slow, and also not much elevation. Like a 40 year old Joe Dumars.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Shareef?
Isn’t he our assistant-coach now?
by misterbrister on Jun 11, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he means
Tyreke… at least its the closest to rhyming with Shareef! lol!
I have suffered through Joe Kleine, Pervis Ellison, Greg Kite, Dwayne Schintzius & many others. This team doesn't scare me!
no, I mean Shareef Abdur-Rahim
I was being sarcastic and hilarious. Harden made Shareef look AWFUL on a couple of his post moves.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just for future reference
If you have to explain to someone that you were being hilarious, you probably weren’t.
I feel like I am in a hell that I can't escape
When I said “hilarious” I was being sarcastic again. The “funny” was that of course I was not being “hilarious” and in fact my joke had completely failed.
Now, of course, I’ll get a snarky comment about this wasn’t “funny”, either. Shoot me now.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Not much elevation? Silly. The guy just plays the game. You don’t win points for jumping 36" v. 32". May want to check the combine numbers if you are concerned about his athleticism.
According to the combine numbers
Harden is more athletic than Dwyane Wade.
Do you believe that Harden is more athletic than Wade? If so I have a bridge to sell you.
It isn't in London is it?
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'Tested' high
nice shot – but I echo the comments that he doesn’t seem very athletic or fast
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
He wasn’t getting lift on his midrange J. Half of those shots he put up would have been easily contested. Or even blocked. And he’s not a quick guy. At all. Remember that prospects get in maybe the best shape of their lives just for these workouts. And he still (!) looked slow and plodding.
At the same time I think his outside shot is excellent. He’ll have a lot more time to get it off on the perimeter, too. And his ability to get off the floor and dunk is better than I thought. Not necessarily good. Just better than I thought.
by oldenpolynice on Jun 11, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong
with being happy any way it plays out
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 11, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, I know what you mean.
He looked really good there. Harden can definitely shoot. His release is a little weird and slow, but he’s probably the most polished player in the draft. He’s also probably the least likely to be a bust (after Griffin), and I think any team in the league would be ecstatic to have him.
But…I’d still prefer Jennings – just think he has a higher ceiling. Guess I’m greedy.
i’m still all for tyreke. One of the things that people comment on is how much softer hardens shot is. A shot is something that is very easy to fix, and Evan’s handles and size at PG are too much for me to pass on. I have to admit though, standing two handers for a guy that’s 6’5" is pretty impressive.
no, its instinctual
programed in. Tough to change a guys approach to shooting, thats always been my concern on Evans. If he can’t shoot in college (25% on jumpers) will he really learn in the NBA?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't shoot in college?
The guy played ONE year. In a system where he was encouraged to drive the lane and finish rather than operate in the midrange or on the outside. He’s said so numerous times when talking about Calipari’s system.
If guys like Sam Young can learn to shoot by the end of their college careers, Evans can learn in a year or two of NBA ball. I have all confidence in that.
by oldenpolynice on Jun 11, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Draft Express he won't be drafted by the Kings
because he refused to work out with Terence Williams who we had in – and was standing on the sideline there, salivating to go up against him.
Listen to the radio interview posted.
I don’t draft a combo guard who can’t shoot myself. QD could shoot in college and we know what happened there.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Still, not the attitude I'd want to spend a #4 pick for.
I don’t think its a stretch to read that into the situation
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
But you want to pick a guy who provides interior defense that won't work out period?
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I said I don't get it
though you’re already warming up Rubio excuses.
Be who you are, represent your skills and live with the results.
I hate this crap the agents (probably) make them do.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
I don’t like Rubio won’t work out for teams either.
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Rubio hasn't 'not worked out' yet
we can still hope
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither has Thabeet
It works against both players that they won’t work out for the Kings.
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These guys,
that don’t work out are a bunch of Primadonnas.
I want to make lots of money, but don’t ask me to prove myself.
The NBA should make it mandatory that players work out at least twice prior to draft day. One of those work-outs should be open so multiple teams can review it.
Its like buying a car without a test drive. You’ve seen it in commercials and on the road but you have never gotten behind the wheel.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand your point but I don't agree
that is like say I won’t buy that $2500 bottle of Ch. Patrus unless you open it first and let me taste it.
This is the draft – caveat emptor is the rule.
These young men have a body of work and ample oppurtunity to display their wares. Experts who are paid millions of dollars stake their reputation on their decisions as to whom they will pick. If a player choses not to work out – and you have had the oppurutnity to see a sample of the work outs on fan shot video – does the work out make or break the pick? sometimes yes, often no. If Rubio can afford to not work out than so be it. If that makes you not want to draft him and you are a GM, so be it.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the attitude that has driven
our economy to its knees, made us soft and greedy.
This is not a personal attack, the attitude is all to pervasive and accepted.
We have to get back to work – and proving our worth – or we’ll end up the most well armed 3rd world country ever . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
working out is not the same as not working
this is a meat market – not a stock market – you are allowed to play coy. Sometimes showing more is too much.
I am a strong advocate of work, and action, but I don’t think we are on the same page on this one. We are comparing apples and oranges, PCs and apple pies.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden
Rated really high athletically at the combine. He’s one of those guys that looks like he plays close the floor but will surprise you with bursts at times. I like the Roy comparison. If he can play some 1 he is a no-brainer. For me it’s between Evans and Harden (if Harden’s available). Rubio will probably be gone, but I’m not sold anyways…….Evans reminds me of Gary Payton. For the Kings that would be a good thing.
by Devastation Co. MMA on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
I am starting to wonder
if both Rubio AND Harden are taken before we pick, would we opt to take Thabeet? I hope not. I am not sold on that guy and we REALLY dont need another center.
I have suffered through Joe Kleine, Pervis Ellison, Greg Kite, Dwayne Schintzius & many others. This team doesn't scare me!
He's not working out for anybody
I also don’t think Petrie visited any of his games. I don’t think Thabeet is on the Kings priorities.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
Harden looked good
But if we drafted him, would Speedracer and him be able to play together? Or would we have to trade one or the other for a nice complimentary piece.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
I wouldn't mind if they
dealt Speedracer to the Clippers for the number 1 pick.
Udrih
Harden
Garcia/Nocioni
Griffin
Hawes
Sounds like blasphemy but I wonder if the Clips would deal the number 1 pick for Kevin Martin.
BOOK IT!
That wouldn't work
But maybe they could throw in Marcus Camby or Chris Kaman or someone else not named Baron Davis.
BOOK IT!
They'd want us to take Kamen I'd guess
not sure i wouldn’t be alright with that
Healthy, he’s a double double machine and true post presence. Hmmm
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Right...
I know they’ve done some crazy things over the years, but K-Mart for Griffin/Kaman? Keep dreaming.
I didn't think
The Clippers would do that trade. If I were the Kings I would definitely do that deal. Kevin Martin for the Griffin + someone to complete the deal not necessarily Kaman.
BOOK IT!
can I unrec this?
you don’t concoct a trade scenario based off of ONE video workout.
sheesh.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 11, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Tomorrow could be the day of reckoning for who we take.
Tyreke Evans has great size but really is a two, also for all the talk about going up against whoever; Terrence Williams was at the Kings facility the same day that Evans’ worked out, or so says the DX podcast, and god knows Williams would’ve loved to defend Evans and increase his stock.
Flynn has seen his stock increase and if Jennings or Flynn really perform tomorrow either of them could go 4, Petrie doesn’t mind small PG’s as he was high on Aaron Brooks (that would’ve been nice). On the flip side if Holiday locks down the competition he’ll also lock down number 4.
As far as Rubio goes, I think he’ll be there at 4, but I think the Kings will pass on him if he hasn’t worked out for them. The Maloofs definitely don’t want to spend the number 4 pick on someone who won’t play immediately. They are worried about ticket prices and if Levien can’t get it worked out by draft day, he’ll drop past us.
That’s my 2 cents and I am sure Petrie will do something completely different.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Are you kidding me?
If the Kings passed on Rubio at 4….I think most of us would riot and burn Arco to the ground.
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 11, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Petrie does not draft players who do not workout for him.
That’s a fact.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Say what you want...
If Rubio’s on the board at 4 he’s a Sacramento King. End of story…
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 11, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Rubio
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Yeppers
He’s coming with Mommy to check out the sites. Is that a workout?
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Why not workout?
I don’t get it.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The same reason Thabeet isn't working out for any team.
Don’t want to hurt there draft stock I guess.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Yeah
I don’t really get why Thabeet isn’t working out. In Rubio’s case, I sort of understand why, but I don’t think it helps him all that much either.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
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Just in general
Most top three guys don’t work out because they have nowhere to go but down. Griffin isn’t working out either.
But the guy can just flat out play...
Dude.
Sequel.
by My Losing Season on Jun 11, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
uhhhh - Griffin Did work out
where have you been?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
In LA last week - it was a circus
100s of people there + tons of media. There were at least 8 articles written on it by different news sources.
and earlier at one of the combines
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Its true
Clips Nation has dubbed it “Griffinpalooza”. He had a “open to the public” workout. ;)
I was uncool before it was cool
They only did that to prove that they weren't trading Griffin away
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Dude was not afraid to show his stuff
no matter the results. Why does the consensus #1 take a chance of ruining his status but the rest don’t?
Balls, balls and confidence
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
It was all for show.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Which is not Griffin's fault
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Which he could do living in SF
Cuz people have never hurt their knees walking up & down hills or anything.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No?
I though a lot here believed ’till the end that Rubio was the better choice at #1?
(not you I think)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Not me. I’ve always thought Griffin was #1. Whether that would be to the Clippers or some team trading up, he was going #1.
I agree with Otis that he is perceived as the best choice
And that more teams could use him than not. It just so happens the Kings are NOT one of those teams.
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Right
To clarify, I’ve never seen Griffin as the definitive best player coming out of this draft – just that he will go #1.
I don't really think there is a #1 pick overall that is clearcut
Like there was in 2008 or 2007.
Which is not why I’m thinking higher of Brandon Jennings than Ricky Rubio.
It’s all about cost vs appropriateness, and for the KIngs to acquire Rubio without moving up is too costly and not really worth it overall.
I’d be just as happy if the KIngs settled on Holiday, or Flynn too truthfully.
But right now I’m stumping Jennings. Too many good things overall to look at. And, Jennings, unlike Rubio, is very athletic.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Besides...
its not as if Thabeet has the same reputation as a “cant miss” pick. If I were that guy I would want to show that I deserve to be picked high, and not take any chances at missing out on the big $$!
I was uncool before it was cool
I'd guess
His lack of offensive skills (relative to the field) would only hurt him in a workout. There’s a very good chance the guy is going #2, #3 at the worst. A workout could only hurt that status, IMO.
If you're working out by yourself
How are you going to show offensive skills?
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well
You put a guy like Shareef out there to hold his hand up in his face. Or he could borrow Yi’s chair. ;)
LOL yeah
I like YI’s chair idea better. Why waste Reef’s time like that?
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Jenning's
Pussed out and his draft position will fall because of it.
Serves him right.
Can’t live on his Highschool stats anymore.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Pussed out from what?
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I thought,
he was refusing to workout for teams.
My badd.
I guess we will see how he looks tomorrow.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
No
He didn’t go to Treviso for the Reebok Eurocamp because he got tired of being in Italy and he felt without better players there he wouldn’t look good anyway. It was a smart decision.
How well he works out I think will determine his draft stock ultimately.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thanks for the info
I hadn’t read that anywhere but it makes sense.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Otis they are
The Dubs will be working out Arizona’s Jordan Hill this coming Friday, but before that on Thursday they’ll be bringing in 2 guards for a workout: Jonny Flynn and Brandon Jennings [via 2009 Draft Blog on Warriors.com].
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There was only a lot of people htere
Because it happened during the Finals many days off in LA. If it hadn’t, not all the hoopla would have surrounded the workout.
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Ah, right.
But what I mean is, it’s not like he’s making the rounds to Memphis, Sacramento, OKC, etc.
He's the #1 pick
As otis said. He’s not dropping past 1.
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Yes
But that has as much to do with the team as it does with Griffin. More teams would take Griffin 1 in this draft than teams who wouldn’t.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You think he might go #1?
I think he’s probably the top player in this draft and will go #1. He might hurt his draft stock by working out for a lot of teams.
Griffin's going #1
But for a team like OKC, Sac or Minny, I don’t think they would want to take him there.
He’s just not that great of a fit for needs. This is very much a need draft.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If the Kings fans
are banking on Jason Thompson to be promise-land type power forward (starting for a championship team), then they are disillusioned.
BOOK IT!
You know I agree
I think he’s a Varajao type guy, someone you would want on your team – but a championship guy? I’m not seeing the skillset.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oden & Durant worked out for Portland and Seattle if I remember correctly
I think Beasley & Rose did the same thing with Miami & Chicago.
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Right
They were fighting over it. Right.
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He didn't work out?
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
If I recall, he was an agent (Arn Tellum?) deal
remember he was a one and done at Alabama with an particularly unimpressive resumè for the Tide, he was a High School superstar.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Music to the Maloof's Ears
I know one thing Mo; if the pick comes down to Joe and Gavin being worried about their wallets, then Rubio is the biggest no-brainer decision in the history of this franchise.
Ricky Rubio may or may not be the best player in this draft after Blake Griffin, but he is hands down the most exciting player in terms of marketing since LeBron James.
The Maloofs look at a flashy, 18 year old kid with a Pete Maravich haircut who speaks Spanish as his first language and who is the most famous player in Europe and they hear one sound: “ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching”.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I agree about Rubio's marketing and popularity,
but I don’t think the Maloofs would want to stash the pick as they are hurting financially. I forget if Petrie or the Maloofs said it but they alluded to the fact they would not draft someone who didn’t come over and play immediately. They want a reason for prospective season ticket holders to buy now, not next year. That’s why I pointed out if Levien cannot iron out the details by draft day, the Kings will pass on Rubio.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Rubio's Buy-out
I understand Levien is negotiating a reduction to the buy out, but I’m not familiar with what other potential hang-ups remain.
I assume that neither OKC nor any other team looking to jump up to the second pick would select Ricky unless he is definitely headed to the NBA this coming season. Is that not true (as far as you’ve heard)?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
What I've heard...
Is that he’ll be suspended indefinitely w/o pay from Joventut, not surprising, but if he cannot get the buyout worked out he’ll essentially be in no mans land and forced to sit out next year as he won’t be able to play for anyone, Euroleague or NBA.
Again, the buyout being negotiated should happen at some point, you just wonder if the Kings are willing to take any risks as they are financially strapped. Just look at how they handled the coaching search with the main mitigating factor being money.
Also since the debt has been sold to the Spanish IRS it could make it more complicated to lower and/or change the buyout.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
I wonder how well Evans would do in a pick & roll
And I think that’s always going to be a huge issue with whomever the Kings take.
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Harden.
He uses his off arm to push defenders away almost every time he drives, and I’m not sure he’ll get away with that in the NBA. After watching him do that consistently last year in college, it was funny to me that he actually did it here in the drills (take a look at the one where he is supposed to go around a defender around mid-court and then another in the post for a layup/dunk).
what - on a tatoo?
I don’t see it.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the size of Harden's hands
He can easily palm a ball even though you could only see him doing that (about a min 15 secs in or so), and his athleticism is sneaky somewhat. I do think he made an emphasis on going up in the workout’s to show how athletic he is.
I think Harden will fit in really well in OKC or Memphis.
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My thoughts...
I like how balanced he is going both right and left. He also looks like he has pretty good hands.
I dont like how he kicks his left leg out on nearly every jumper. I also worry about his lack of elevation when he shoots his jumper. While he may have unbelievable combine numbers, that doesnt mean he can shoot a jumper while jumping that high. Without being gaurded he barely gets up.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
He's really not very good going right.
It’s a fairly large weakness, and if you watch him in the video, he cheats by dribbling with his left hand until he absolutely has to switch to the right hand.
Just rewatched it
You are totally correct. I didn’t pick that up. His first step isn’t smooth, he looks like he is doing something that was taught, not natural.
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by 27freethrows on Jun 11, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
what about how he kept kicking out his left foot on his release
don’t know why but that bothers me
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sorry, didn't see that 27 free throws had made that observation already
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closest thing to Brandon Roy this year
I doubt Harden can play PG consistently but he’s the kind of player that you can have run the point for stretches at a time. He’s a solid passer and knows how to find his players when he drives to the basket. He may not be an all-star player but he’ll definitely be a starter in the NBA. He may not be as good a scorer as Kevin Martin but he has better all round game. For those commenting on his lack of elevation on his jump shot as long as he’s consistent that is what counts. A lot of players are more consistent as shooters when they just barely get off the ground. Bibbly and Peja never got high off the ground. Kapono is the same. Harden is a crafty player…I don’t recall him getting blocked much in college. All that said I think the Thunder pick him up because he’d make a great pairing with Westbrook.
harden is a great pick at 4
if Rubio is off the boards already, then we pick up either this guy or evens, dont pick up jennings, my opinion he will be a bust in the NBA
Agreed
I can’t understand why Jennings won’t work-out for teams. After a less than stellar Euro league performance, he needs to prove himself.
His reluctance is a big red flag for me.
I would be okay with Harden as long as we get a shot a decent PG.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Coming here tomorrow right?
along with some great guys to measure against
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
should be pretty revealing
quite a coup for us to get those guys together I think
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You couldn't be more wrong nothingbutnet...
Jennings is working out for the Kings tomorrow against two other lottery picks (Flynn and Holiday). Going up against the top eschalon of PG’s doesn’t seem very reluctant to participate to me.
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I was misinformed.
Thanks for the update.
I look forward to seeing him play.
by nothingbutnet on Jun 11, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya you were probably thinking of the Euro camp in Treviso...
I was surprised to be honest that the three PG’s are working out together, should be exciting.
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lets hope it doesn't dissappoint
some real prospects, hope they really go at it
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
a little trash talk (not really) from Jennings
on combo’s translating into NBA PGs,
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a confident guy, not shy at all
I think he already intimated pretty forcefully at some point that he would be the Kings pick at #4.
said he was perfect for us or something
I think Evans or Holliday might have said something similar
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a point, when you think about the best NBA point guards right now
they all played point from high school and beyond. Oppositely, Westbrook has played pretty well, although he would probably be best suited moving over to the 2 which is really his natural position.
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said he was one of the few 'pure point guards' available
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden looks like
he’s definitely put some time in at the gym, much more muscle definition then during his college time, although wearing a t-shirt under his jersey probably covered some of that up. Although he definitely has a solid skill set and from the video his jumper looks much nicer then I remember, every time I watched him play I was always underwhelmed. Maybe I just expected too much with all the hype but it never seemed like he could just take over a game whenever he wanted to, something that a top-five draft pick should generally be able to do on a college team (I don’t think Thabeet can either for that matter). Part of that is his style of play (very smoth, controlled, and never seems to be in a rush) and in the NBA he may prove me wrong but I was always much more impressed with Evans.
Great size, strength and athleticism
More impressive than Tyreke in the workout. I wish he had PG skills. He makes more sense for OK and Memphis than Rubio.
maybe we trade the 23 & 31 slots to pcik up a PG and use the 4 for Harden. He would provide defensive toughness at the 2 that Martin can’t provide. Lets get rid of Garcia and use him at the 2 & 3.
So if we take one James at 4 and another at 23
would Section’s Johnson finally Harden?
by LPKingsFan on Jun 11, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
nice
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by lietothegirls on Jun 11, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
How often is he going to split atoms in your erection pill?
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We could call him the big purple pill
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My thoughts on Harden
He can either be a poor man’s Mitch Richmond or a poor man’s John Salmons.
Well, we are a poor team...
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by Exhibit G on Jun 11, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sometimes when I check my bank account
I am a poor man’s poor man : (
by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
We have something in common!
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I thought the same thing..
..he does remind me quite a bit of Mitch in his motions and frame. Doesn’t seem to have blazing speed or a super quick first step but has a knack for creating space and using angles to get off shots. Mitch was as strong as they come and certainly no slouch as an athlete. It remains to see if Harden’s combine numbers will translate as they seem to indicate the same. As others have mentioned, the mechanics on his jumpshot are quirky. Never seems to full square himself and is always fading away kicking out that foot. Also as pointed out his release point isn’t very high nor quick. It does work for him up to this point but I can see longer 2 guards giving him fits.
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by chupacabara on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Passed to Reef
Nice job hitting the open man. Who says this guy can’t play point?!
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by Holmdel on Jun 11, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And people compare this guy to Brandon Roy and Ginobili (DX, NBAdraft) and say his worst case is Jason Terry (DX)???
I beg your pardon, I’m not seeing that at all. He displays the vert of an average tennis player, not the 40 inch of BRoy, and not nearly the quickness and precision of Jason Terry at age 32.
These workouts are useless
Seeing a guy go 1 on 0 at 1/4 speed just shooting jump shots is completely useless. I certainly hope the team is working players harder than that behind the scenes. I can dribble the ball around at 2 miles and hour and hit jump shots.
I appreciate that they’re posting something but this doesn’t tell me anything at all about Harden. Even his jump shot – people say he holds it out front and doesn’t get any elevation – think about how you would have viewed Kevin Martin’s ridiculous windup in a 1 on 0 drill. I’m not defending Harden as much as I’m saying that these videos don’t tell us anything at all.
These workouts are useless?
Petrie seems to feel they are important. And Petrie is smarter than your average bear when it comes to the draft.
Gee, I’m gonna have to think about who I should put my faith in. ;)
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Are all of the workouts partially private, or was that just for Evans?
Watching this, I’m really hoping that there was a lot more tested behind closed doors…
Harden worked out individually like Evans did
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Hi, I am the GM of Your Favorite Franchise
Watching this, I’m really hoping that there was a lot more tested behind closed doors
Please, let us fly you out here, and have the owner, three scouts, the GM in training, two assistant coaches and myself have you come out and do 5 minutes of workouts while we video.
Thanks for coming!

by betweentheeyes on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get this consternation about Harden’s lack of lift and how that’s going to hurt him getting his shot off. He’s going to be able to get his shot; it’s not only the most athletic guys in the nba who can do so. At 6’5 with long arms, he has more than enough raw size and length against other two-guards to release his shot before getting into his ability to use the dribble to create space and his skill with screens.
I think he’s a very safe prospect because he is so skilled and has solid athletic ability. He can shoot, pass and is a very good ball handler. The passing part is the biggest thing for me. When I first saw him, he reminded me of Calbert Cheaney. The athleticism didn’t wow me, the production couldn’t be argued with but I thought the great athletes in the nba would be able to handle him Then I kept seeing what a great passer he was. Cheaney would have had a much better and longer career if he could pass. So would have someone like Ron Mercer. Playmakers already have one leg up in the league so to speak and if they can shoot and get to the line like Harden can, they’re very valuable.
Could he be
a slightly shorter Paul Pierce? Does Paul Pierce work if he’s a couple of inches shorter?
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