Kings making play for Rondo
by VirginiaBlue on Jun 12, 2009 3:04 PM PDT
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Some people might want to rethink losing K. Mart if a deal like this could work out.
Apparently, Ainge really likes Evans
The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen. ESPN.com
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Really?
- + JT for Rondo doesn’t sound like such a bad deal.
The bigger question is why in the hell would the Celtics want to trade Rondo? It makes no sense. I call BS on Chad Ford. Which is kind of redundant.
by nbrans on Jun 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You might be able to talk me into
The #4 straight up for Rondo (obviously it would be trickier than that), but adding JT or Hawes?
Isn’t there a decent chance that Rondo’s stock is artificially inflated from playing with Allen, Garnett and Pierce? I like the guy, but man – that seems like a lot to give up.
by otis29 on Jun 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
#4 for Rondo? Yes, but wait to make sure Rubio is gone.
JT for Rondo? If this was a PF year and not a PG year, yeah. But this year? No.
JT and #4 for Rondo? You have to be fucking kidding. Who are we going to start at the 4 next year? K9? I think not.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
who would
you rather have? Rondo … or Evans AND JT?
It’s a no brainer ….. 100% agree with you.
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by what_the_crap on Jun 13, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
personality conflicts
its been reported that Rondo is having some issues with either Doc or some of the other players (which can only mean Pierce or Garnett).
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting.
After giving this more of a think, I have to say that #4 + JT for Rondo would be a really tough call. On the one hand, I feel like JT’s performance was a bit overrated by Kings fans, even if he has a generally bright future. And Rondo was pretty spectacular this year.
On the other hand, how good would Rondo be without Pierce, Allen & Garnett? How much is he worth minus those guys?
Keep in mind
he was worth a whole lot to them during the playoffs without KG and a with Pierce and Allen hurting quite a bit
I think without a guy like JT to dish to its not as worth it
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I was just thinking that
You have to factor in a Kings fans tendency to overrate their own young talent. So, that would have to be factored in.
Additionally, Petrie’s forte is drafting talent – doesn’t it seem crazy to take away the guy’s first ever top-5 draft pick?
I don't have a problem giving up the #4
Because Rondo is better than whoever the Kings would draft there.
But it would be tough to give up JT because that just fills one hole by opening up another.
I still don’t understand who would play point if the Celtics traded Rondo. Marbury??
I would take Rondo over Rubio seven times a week and twice on Sundays
I was a Rondo doubter up until this year. He was really, really good. I don’t see any way Rubio could ever be as good of a defender because of his quickness deficit, and meanwhile, Rondo has turned into a really good passer and doesn’t turn the ball over much.
But you know my biases.
Maybe he is better than Rubio
Is he better than Evans/Jennings/Harden/Derozan? Who knows?
If that were the only critieria, I’d be all aboard. But adding JT to the trade? I don’t think Rondo is better than any of those guys by a factor of Jason Thompson.
Oh, yeah, I already agree with you on JT
But I would take the Rondo bird in the hand over the Evans/Jennings/Harden/Derozan bush.
Is he better than Evans/Jennings/Harden/Derozan? Who knows?
The key phrase there is “Who knows?” They could all pan out and be better than Rondo. But they could all be busts. With Rondo you know what you’re getting: a guy who averaged almost a triple double in the playoffs.
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Is that the guy we would get?
Again, who knows? I know we are all assuming a weak draft here, but if you ended up passing on the next Chris Paul or Dwayne Wade to trade for Rondo, you’d feel pretty stupid down the road.
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Very true
but it works the other way too. What if we take Evans and decide to keep him and he doesn’t pan out, but Rondo goes on to lead his team to another ring?
I understand we don’t want to pass up on a great player, but we’d take the same risk not going after Rondo. Don’t you think the Suns wish they hadn’t traded him?
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Probably not
And again, I would probably get on board if it were a straight up transaction involving the #4 pick and Rondo (including whatever salary fodder would be needed to make the deal work). My problem is adding one of our young players to the deal.
wow! too many cliches going through my mind, let's settle on this one
One of the best point guards in the league, a great defender, improving every year, besting expectations left and right and you want to get a maybe???
Jason Thompson is a strong player and I am a fan – but we are talking about getting an All-Star for a developing starter and a maybe (not Rubio) point guard. Sign me up. The only thing that doesn’t make sense is that the Celtics are deciding to blow up their team. KG must be more hurt than previously thought. The strongest tradeable asset on the Celtics is Rondo.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 12, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
JT has value
The #4 pick has value.
Rondo, as good as he was last year, still has question marks in my mind. How much of his success is due to having offensive weapons like Allen, Pierce and Garnett on his team? How will that change when he becomes more of a primary focus of the defense.
You mention that Rondo is improving every year…should we at least wait and see if JT improves every year? He certainly improved over his rookie season.
I’m cool with trying to make a deal for Rondo, but the #4 and JT is crazy talk IMO.
Rondo has some back problems now that might limit his play
due to carrying his team during the playoffs
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by vfettke on Jun 13, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly
Especially on the questions marks due to playing on this Celtics team. Well said Otis
Ummm....
The “strongest tradeable asset” is actually Paul Pierce…
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 13, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
They are not trading captain Celtic
No way. I knew Allen was the first to go because you can replace what he brings and you can’t do the same with KG or Pierce
That's not totally true
I don’t remember where this was said but it was taken out of context. The source that was quoted talked about how Doc Rivers had a sit down with Rondo (before KG was even in town I think) about how mad he’d get at the other players when they missed a shot from one of his passes. Basically Doc told him that his teamates hated him and he needed to stop the attitude and be more of a leader.
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thanks,
i just posted the same thing, but screwed up the espn link.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions
If JT or Hawes is involved, no thank you
Maybe the #4 and Nocioni would get it done. Apparently they were interested in Noc at the deadline.
If we can’t get Rubio I’d be willing to trade the pick for Rondo. Rondo’s a bit of a dirty player but I have no problem with it if he’s on our team. Dude’s athletic and fast as hell plus a damn good defender to boo.
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by vfettke on Jun 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
With
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually you may be on to something.
Last year at the deadline when we picked up Nocioni, there was talk that Boston wanted to grab him from us but I guess the deal didn’t pan out. Perhaps Ainge still has his eye on Noc, along with the #4 to send Rondo to Sac.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
Allen & Rondo
Celts have some cap issues and need to move Allen also. It was reported a week or so ago, that they were dangling Rondo with Allen. So the question is, would we do a deal that sent K-Mart, the #4 and parts for both of them? Allen’s contract is huge, but i believe it expires in a year or two at the most.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 12, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions
With Kevin? No, fucking way.
If they want to dump Allen on us(dude turns 34 in July), they can take K9’s expiring contract © and like it.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Rondo is a good player
but I would not give up Thompson AND the # 4 pick for him. Maybe Nocioni can be traded if possible, that’d be cool.
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No
No. No.
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How about this
#4, K9, Noc, and Beno
for
Rondo, Allen
Celts get to dump Allen’s contract. K9 is a big expiring. Noc is someone they wanted at the deadline. Beno might be a bit of a stretch for them to take but maybe they do it, maybe they don’t. Kings get a veteran shooter and a defensive leader at PG. Plus, we don’t lose any major pieces. This is obviously a highly unlikely scenario.
I’m sorry but I just love Rondo’s game. My one question is why do they want to dump Allen’s contract? It expires this year. This makes me think we’d have no choice but to give them Martin
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by vfettke on Jun 12, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Or we don't have to trade with Boston
that’s another choice, and it could be the better one.
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by submison on Jun 12, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, this is the only deal that makes sense, imo
Boston drafts Evans and starts the season with Beno/Pierce/Noc/Garnett/Perkins, eventually moving Evans into the starting lineup, Pierce back to SF and Noc coming off the bench as a 3/4. Meanwhile, they clear Allen’s deal and avoid the tax.
Kings get their PG of the future, clear Beno’s deal, open up room for Greene backing up Garcia, and finally use K9 for something.
But Boston replacing Rondo with Beno? Yikes is all I can say to that.
They may not like Beno
but Evans will grow up quickly with that group. Rondo did.
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Sounds good to me
Make it happen GP!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This I would do. With or without Beno.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
Boston wants to trade up. Why would we give two good players to their one?
Ya this is what I don't understand.
The Celtics are essentially saying we can replace Rondo with a rookie, why give them young talent at two positions as opposed to one when they are trying to jump to the top of the draft. There is no reason to do this without at least seeing who is available at 4.
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No shit...
What this basically equates to is:
Rubio/Evans/Holiday + JT for Rondo.
I think Rondo’s great, but…he’s not worth 2 young guys with talent great.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 12, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i don’t want Ray Allen on the Kings because who would we be to take a Hall of Famer from Boston to Sacramento just to save some money. Plus i would want more if i was trading Martin don’t you think. Rajon Rondo is a great player but he doesn’t seem like a small market guy. People forget about the fact that the Kings are in a small market and will probably move away so the lack of stability with even the team is a scare for players to come here. And when they do come here morale might be down for them.
I wouldn't do Kevin for Allen
I would do #4 for Rondo
I wouldn’t do Kevin for Rondo and I wouldn’t do #4 for Allen and I sure as hell wouldn’t do Kevin and #4 for Rondo and Allen.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Number four straight-up
maybe, MAYBE Garcia or Greene as added talent. Not JT.
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Yo, this shit was off-the-cuff, man. I reacted violently (as I often do when JT trade rumors surface)
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by PhutureKings on Jun 12, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I've already changed my mind...the shock of it all wore off.
I’d trade #4 (if Rubio not available) and Garcia.
I’d trade #23 and Hawes for Rondo.
I’d even trade #23 and Martin for Rondo and Allen. Rondo, Allen, Noc, Thompson, Hawes & Evans/Rubio, Garcia, Greene, and umm…who else do we have at the 4/5? Oh yeah, K9. Damnit.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 12, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Still didn't check trade machine...
Can figure out throw ins to make it work.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 12, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really know how to feel about this
I’m a big fan of Rondo’s game: despite the fact I hate that he can’t shoot, he’s a triple double waiting to happen. His decision making and passing ability have increased greatly, and will definitely help this team run smoothly. He would also improve our rebounding, since he rebounds extremely well for a point guard. His defense is very good, and most of his physical tools are elite.
Maybe I’m putting too much into the whole potential thing, but nobody knows if the current prospects are gonna end up better than Rondo; as far as the present, Rondo is heads above them. And yet, I don’t know if I can give up the fourth pick if that person ends up potentially better. But then, that’s just being hypothetical. I’m on the fence.
Rondo has one issue
He’s not good at getting his teammates looks. He’ll put up stats but do so without the other 4 guys.
You mean creating for others?
Could you elaborate a bit more on this? I always thought he found the open man fine when I watched the games.
He is much more Tony Parker than Steve Nash. I know some people will jump on that and think it’s great but Tony Parker doesn’t work on every team. Essentially he’s a scorer playing the PG. Parker’s been a perfect fit on the Spurs because they needed a scorer, not a distributor to Bruce Bowen.
If the Celtics wanted to run a conventional offensive set they gave the ball to Paul Pierce to make a play and distribute. Rondo got the ball in his hand only to attack the basket and passes when the defense leaves a big man wide open underneath the hoop.
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve read most of you’re takes and I wouldn’t be down with any of them…
I like Ray Allen, but it’s laughable to think you can be a real Kings fan and actually think it would be a good move for the Kings to trade the most efficient scorer in the league for a guy who won’t play more than another 1 or 2 seasons…
Also, not all that high on Rondo. He is tough with size and will actually D up. But there’s just something about him that rubs me the wrong way.
Also, anyone who thinks JT should be involved in any way should simply be shot.
Why does the national media think the Kings only exist to make other teams better???
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Jun 12, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
Something we're not thinking about
The Celtics will apparently give up Rondo if they can dump Ray Allen’s contract. Say we can somehow land those two without giving up Kevin. Then, we have a massive expiring contract that can be parlayed into another trade – or just give us a ton of cap space – that could land us a major player or one of those 2010 free agents like Bosh or Yao.
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I'm waiting for a
brilliant piece in Sunday’s Bee with Ailene calling out the Kings to make this trade…
"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ
Rondo kind of looks like an alien
so he’s probably not sexy enough for her. She prefers balding middle aged men
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Well
Petrie already met the “alien” quota when they briefly acquired Cassell and I thought she liked him…though that might have been for another attribute that section so frequently likes to point out…
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maybe we can get Section's Johnson to do the testicle dance
by betweentheeyes on Jun 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
What's Section's Johnson?
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by section214 on Jun 13, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...Yours probably beat mine in bare feet, too.
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They're platforms
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by section214 on Jun 13, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the whole sequence
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At least as far as Carrottop's boob job
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The more I think about this the less it makes sense for the Kings... but it could help us
Why do they want to get rid of two of their big pieces? Why do they want out of Allen’s contract if it expires at the end of the next season anyway? To really get out of it they can’t just trade him for expirings they’d have to find a team with the cap space to just absorb it. We could almost do this by sending them Kenny Thomas and maybe Beno and take the salary cap hit. But this would have to be a preliminary trade that didn’t get finished until after the July moratorium (when the cap resets and we’re officially under). But, I don’t think they give us Rondo just take Allen off their hands. They’ll want something more. I doubt Petrie gives up anything more. So it might make more sense for them to go after the 2nd or 3rd pick to get Evans. Memphis could give them Conley or even Marc Gasol, plus Darko’s expiring and still eat Ray’s contract. OKC could offer Earl Watson’s expiring and dangle Jeff Green or Russel Westbrook (side note: the thought of adding Rondo to that team kinda scares the shit outta me).
The Celtics want to get rid of Allen and are willing to give up Rondo to do it. This leaves them in desperate need of a point guard. Evans is probably the most ready to contribute right away on a contending team. Most of the other top tier PGs in this draft are projects and will need way more time to develop. But Evans, with the right guys around him, can probably do a damn good job as a starter. Now, how does this affect us? If Memphis or OKC takes Evans to trade him that bumps Rubio down a slot and maybe to us. This scenario is more likely if Memphis takes him. They’ll get a great young PG in Rondo without the risk of drafting Rubio to have him stay in Europe. I strongly believe OKC passes on him. They don’t need another point guard. Both Rubio and Westbrook need the ball too much to be effective, so it just doesn’t work. Plus their core is strong enough that they can afford to take a risk on someone like DeRozan.
So while this whole thing is really just hearsay and most likely nothing will come of it, it could be very interesting for the Kings.
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You're thinking too hard
If Vancover or Seattle take Evans to trade their pick, the other of the two will most likely take Thabeet.
You don’t need to bring DeRozen into the equation for Rubio to fall to #4 in this scenario. As it is now, Griffin & Thabeet are the two most likely to be gone before #4, so there’s really only one team that needs to pass on Rubio (it’s just whomever doesn’t get Thabeet).
by smgmatt on Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
If Vancouver or Seattle takes Evans to trade their pick…..
Talk about loyalty!
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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that deserves a rec
For smgmatt. Sorry pookey. Didn’t mean to get your hopes up.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no hopes or dreams at this point
Just hopes & dreams.
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You're both thinking too hard
cuz it’s already been pointed out that OKC doesn’t need Rondo and won’t give up the third pick for Allen, and Allen won’t be too keen on playing for MEM. And why would MEM acquire Allen anyway, unless they want the expiring contract (and would be willing to give up a number two pick just for an expiring contract)? BOS’s best bet is to trade us Rondo for the fourth pick (but we must thwart their lofty notions that we would include JT), or to try something w/ the Wiz.
But, in this scenario, Boston picks fifth. Unless Rubio is there for us at #4, I think we prolly draft Evans, Boston doesn’t get their man.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 12, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Rondo is a punkass
I normally don’t put too much stock in character issues….but this guy just annoys the shit out of me. It doesn’t make any sense for the Celtics to trade him at this point – they probably have a one year window left to win another title, and that closes if they trade Rondo. It just doesn’t make sense from a basketball perspective, so if there is any truth to this rumor, then it means the Celtics hate him as much as I do.
I wouldn’t want to trade the #4 pick for him, and if they threw in JT too, I’d really flip out.
This trade makes no sense
This team has suffered immensely since Chris Webber went down from not having a legitimate PF. Now it looks like we have a young one who has a big upside and the right attitude and work ethic. If you made that trade, where do you get the next PF? If you start with a rookie, you are start all over with an unknown. PG is a hole on this team. But you don’t plug one big hole by creating another.
by mr west on Jun 14, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Good points all around.
Rec’d.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad that was before he got banned LOL
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I've read three threads today
And in all of them you deliver one-line pronouncements on someone’s talent (or lack thereof) or personality.
How about backing up your opinions with some reasons that can be debated in an intelligent conversation instead of posting things that make people think your vocabulary consists of about nineteen words, six of which are profane?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why don't you become an atheist drunk who gets loaded off port?
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