Jennings at #4?
by R-Man on Jun 13, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
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I've heard an awful lot about Brandon Jennings calling out Rubio (which is all fine and good), but there hasn't been much comment on the fact that Amick is reporting that he outplayed Flynn who was guarding him (and who is more athletic and quick than Rubio).
Amick's blog this morning was eye opening. It sounds like Jennings can get anywhere he wants on the floor, and his jumper (at least yesterday) was better than advertised. We had 300 comments on whether or not was professional to call out Rubio (it wasn't), but very little on the impact of the workout.
Jennings came off as cocky or confident afterwards, but it sound like he had a right to be. If he did clearly outplay the other two, I don't care if he is cocky, I want him on our squad. We need a little swagger and athleticism, and it sounds like Brandon Jennings has both in spades.
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Indeed
We’ve gotten so caught up in Jennings brashness, we still haven’t discussed (or seen) the workout.
BTW, here is a link to Sam Amick’s blogpost. There’s some great information, including a blow-by-blow of a portion of the workout.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2009/06/so-who-won-the.html
by otis29 on Jun 13, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice read
Amick also links to Jennings’ Twitter where he says he was just trying to hype the draft some more, which may are may not be bullshit
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by vfettke on Jun 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he wanted his name out there
One way or the other.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hind sight is 20-20- but its a pretty nice recovery.
I also agree with Pook- there is no such thing as bad publicity (unless your a wide receiver from Sacramento playing in the NFL).
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by jjham15 on Jun 13, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hindsight is most certainly 20/20
but foresight is 50/50.
Jennings: yeah or nay? (I am stuck on maybe)
by betweentheeyes on Jun 13, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rubio isn't there
I see no reason not to take Jennings
Amick’s article makes it seem like Jennings is a fairly decent defender. He was able to stay in front of Flynn, whose quick as hell. He might not be a great defender but it doesn’t seem like he’s all that bad
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by vfettke on Jun 13, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the kid from Grant
whose name I’m blanking on. Donte Stallworth I think.,
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by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings should outplay Flynn, he is projected as a higher pick. I dont hink Flynn is in play for them at #4, but he is a good bench mark to see where Jennings and Holiday stand as being fits with the Kings.
by LASportsCentral.com on Jun 13, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do have to agree. Flynn is probably overrated at this point. He’s the guy in 2009 that has shot up the draft boards due to supply and demand. Given the projections over the last year Jennings ought to be the hands down better player.
Also, lets not give Jennings too much credit. Yesterday was his entire pre-draft workout. He’s not jumping from one workout to the next, his entire concentration has been on this workout. I’m sure he was motivated out his mind and doesn’t have to worry about competing again until summer camp. It’s one performance, lets not forget he spent an entire year playing in Europe where his performances considerably dropped his draft stock.
by bignerd on Jun 13, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no clue what you speak of with regards to Jennings draft stock and Europe
It’s volatile because people, like yourself, don’t understand it.
So let me repeat something that maybe you can pound into your head with a spoon: EUROPE REPRESSES STATS. Most European players, some American, are grown men who have already gone, and beyond, where Jennings is at. Jonny Flynn did not have that opportunity. He would not have done as well. Neither would Lawson, Collison or any other American PG. You’re vastly ignoring how TOUGH IT IS to play in Europe.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think scouts just look at stats in the paper? Starting in preliminary draft reports in 2008 Jennings went from being the 1st pick to around 7th pick when finally eligible in 2009. He played his way down to that level on his Euro tour.
No, I hadn’t heard he was in bay area earlier. Beating Flynn twice is only slightly more impressive than beating him once. Is Flynn even a lottery talent?
by bignerd on Jun 13, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Ford or Givony have been reporting mis information
Yes.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not want to get into a full blown argument as to why we shouldn’t pick Jennings. That’s not my aim. I don’t think one workout should convince anyone that he is the guy. By all accounts from interviews from team management, Jennings needed a good showing just to be considered.
by bignerd on Jun 13, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This ain't a full blown argument
The argument over Rondo is a full blown argument.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B-nerd
I listened to everything you said . At this point i’d be ok , if you just came out and said i dont like Jennings as a person , because if your questioning his talent then , with all due respect i think your wrong
Listen B-nerd , a very strong case could be made that Jennings is the most talented player in this years draft . What else does Jennings have to do to prove he could be worthy of a #4 pick . I mean we all knew that it would come down to his workouts , and from what i understand he had a good workout at Golden State and Sacramento . Whether it’s Petrie’s pick or not , the dude has mad skills and talent
I think that no matter how well Jennings does , thiers always going to be guys like you that just keep looking for the negative . Whether Jennings personality atrracts the negativity or not , me ,i don’t give a shit , because if he can produce , thats all that matters
by hectic2 on Jun 13, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT WE NEED MOHR NICE GUYZ ON THE TEAM!
by otis29 on Jun 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then
Draft Tyler Hansbrough , and be done with it
by hectic2 on Jun 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Henderson with the #4
And Hansbrough with the #23. I’m sure one of those scrubs Petrie brought in for workouts is a humble guy with a clean past, so you take him at #31. Voila, all done!
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
Entire pre-draft workout? You know he worked out for Golden State against Flynn a day or two ago, right?
by kingsfan300 on Jun 13, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Brandon Jennings because you know how loyal us Kings fans are and if the Kings take a guy as exciting as Jennings we might get more people to come watch us. BRING BACK THE SHOWTIME KINGS!!!
by crazyarab on Jun 13, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What? No fan post?
Good work.
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by jjham15 on Jun 13, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully he's gotten the point
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by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer probably depends on what type of PG you’re looking for.
First assuming Rubio drops – with the Grizzlies owner Heisley infatuated with Thabeet & Rubio’s preference not to play for them while OKC probably will go Harden if Thabeet isn’t there – do you take Jennings over Rubio?
Rubio is probably the craftiest of the bunch, the most pass first & the likely the most team play orientated. But he could very well be Nash without a jump shot – if guys don’t have to respect the jumper, how effective would he be offensively? he looks like he’s good as off the ball defender who plays the passing lanes, but how big of an on the ball defensive liability will he be?
Jennings is probably the quickest of the group and could be a Tony Parker or Devin Harris type. At worst he would be what guys like Mike Conley & Aaron Brooks bring – though his steals #‘s seem to indicate he’s a much peskier defender. Like Rubio, he’s another push the pace type guy. is that the type of player that would work best with guys like Martin, Thompson & Hawes?
Curry is far and away the best shooter of the group and would provide floor spacing on offense. He probably falls in the Bibby, Mo Williams range in terms of ceiling. In the worst case he fills the shooter off the bench role.
Holiday has the best size at 6’4.25" w/ shoes & 199 lbs and versatility to play on the wing, but he played the worst among the college guys & based on his combine #’s is probably in contention with Rubio for being the least athletic of the group. Similar to a Chris Duhon type. though potentially might be a Kirk Heinrich type. As evidenced by his time at UCLA, he is not a good player off the ball. But he has the best size to pair with Martin & judging only by scouting reports, he might be the best on defense.
Flynn is probably the toughest & most athletic guy – (at best) kind of like a miniature version of Baron Davis. More likely he’ll be somewhere around Raymond Felton or a Kyle Lowry or a little slower, less explosive, but taller version of Nate Robinson. not a real option at the 4 spot, probably more of a 8-14 pick.
unless Jennings is looking like a world beater defensively in the workouts, i’d definitely look into the Rondo deal if he’s really available.
by the evil monkey on Jun 13, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Holiday’s ceiling is Hinrich and Jennings’ is Parker, I’m taking Parker every time.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Jun 13, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I’m picking (which of course I’m not :( ) I’d take Jennings over Rubio, and possibly Evans over Rubio. The more I see/hear, the less I’m sold on Rubio.
Of course, the argument that leaves me scratching my head the most is that Rubio would somehow fill seats in Arco. I just don’t see how that would happen…
by chri5 on Jun 13, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Large Hispanic population
famous Hispanic player. Do the math.
If Pau Gasol were a King he’d draw a ton of guys. And I know most of the Hispanic population in California is of Latin American descent but they’ll still come out to see him.
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by vfettke on Jun 13, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also...
the fact that he looks like a Spanish Zac Efron probably ups the number of teenage girls that’ll be there
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by vfettke on Jun 13, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
package in some floppy socks
and the Old Skool guys will wear La Pistola jerseys too
by betweentheeyes on Jun 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of that will maintain enthusiasm unless he performs on the court. That’s ultimately all basketball fans care about.
by cbsf on Jun 13, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not every paying customer is necessarily a basketball fan
Sometimes going to the game is just a cool thing to do.
That being said, selling more tickets should only be a tiebreaker in case Petrie sees Rubio as an equal to other prospects
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 14, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it shouldn't
Because you don’t want that kind of tie-breaker to be the reason you pick a player. Many teams have regretted taking that player for such a reason. Or, they should have.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If things are equal
Why wouldn’t that be a tiebreaker? This is a business, after all. And ticket sales are hugely important to a team like the Kings right now.
My guess is though, that the discussion is not relevant. I think Petrie will see a pretty clear victor in this competition for the #4.
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio is NOT hispanic
He is Spanish. There is a difference.
That would be like saying someone from France would be a star in Quebec because they kind of speak the same language.
by chri5 on Jun 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't be?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they have that je nais se quoi...
Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.
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by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hispanic is used to refer to modern Spain, to the Spanish language, and to the Spanish-speaking nations of the Americas. Look it up amigo...
Politically correct you are. Technically correct you are not…
“Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico) is a term that historically denoted a relationship to the ancient Hispania (geographically coinciding with the Iberian Peninsula). During the modern era, it took on a more limited meaning, relating to the contemporary nation of Spain.
Still more recently, the term is used to describe the culture and people of countries formerly ruled by Spain, usually with a majority of the population having Spanish ancestry and speaking the Spanish language. These include Mexico, the majority of the Central and South American countries, and most of the Greater Antilles. There are also Spanish influences in the African nation of Equatorial Guinea,1 and the cultures of the Spanish East Indies’ nations and territories, the Philippines, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands.2
Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula (modern Portugal, Spain, Andorra, Gibraltar and a very small southern part of France)."
This is straight from Wikipedia so…don’t hate the messenger…
Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"
by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 14, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webster’s -
1: of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain or of Spain and Portugal
2: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the United States ; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
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Technically I guess you are right, although in most common usage I have not heard it used in that manner. Also, you really shouldn’t use Wikipedia as a source. I could just go change it ;-)
Regardless, I still do not see Rubio filling up Arco with the Latino population of Sacramento.
by chri5 on Jun 14, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd be rather surprised
Granted he’s from Spain and most of our Hispanic folks are Latino, he’d still draw a ton of fans because he speaks their language. Plus he’ll be hyped to no end. It’ll almost be like a David Beckham affect… although not as sexy.
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by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Beckham
Rubio’s actually won something.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as sexy but at least talented
Start rant. Beckham is a washed up soccer player who only drew interest because of his wife and the “oh-so-unique” skill of being able to “bend” the ball. The only reason people got excited is because of their horrible soccer knowledge. End rant
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 14, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I knew who he was cuz I liked that movie
Seriously ed.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude WAS a good player
But every big player comes to the US when their career is almost over and they do it only to make tons of money. I wish American soccer fans would understand that and stop bringing this washed up players. It’s not really helping the quality of the game and preventing young players from developing.
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 14, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your word for it
I find soccer very boring, and always have.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he’s really overrated. But he’s world famous. Rubio’s really a younger version of that. He’s got that international appeal and is slowly gaining worldwide stardom. Hopefully he’ll get to do it here
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by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Pooking shamelessly here but...
another thing I was just thinking about as far as Rubio/Beckham parallels go. I wonder how big of a soccer fan Rubio is and if he plays at all. Look at Steve Nash. He spends the offseason playing soccer as much as possible, and has been quoted as saying its his favorite sport. I know much has been said about Rubio’s lack of quickness (although he certainly does have plenty of speed) but I wonder if he might have a bit of a soccer player-type mentality as far as his stamina/conditioning goes like Nash does. Part of Nash’s skill in ballhandling comes from his crazy footwork, which definitely comes from playing soccer. And even though he’s skinny and not very athletic the dude just keeps going and going. Soccer’s the most exhausting activity on the planet… next to mass genocide
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by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nazi's disagree vf
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might've missed the joke
go watch Dogma
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by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you sit through Dogma,
the joke’s on you.
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by section214 on Jun 14, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bite your tongue!
That is an awesome movie!
then again I am a huge Kevin Smith fan
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by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did miss the joke
But I know what you’re referring to now. LOL
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as he can habla Sacramento and take some losses on the road to winning
than we can watch his calm and not his panic
by betweentheeyes on Jun 14, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio IS Hispanic
as Hispanic means pretty much anyone of a Spanish speaking origin.
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Jun 14, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pick jennings at 4
i believe he will be better then rubio
by silverguy on Jun 14, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jennings
has that star quality. IMO you need that certain ego to be a star player. Ex. Joe Johnson is a great player, but he will never be able to lead a team or be a superstar just because he is to quiet. If he had the star ego he would be probably a top 5 SG in this league.
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by Sactownking9 on Jun 14, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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