Scouting Jonny Flynn
Unlike Gani Lawal, I can evaluate Jonny Flynn a bit without having to worry about him withdrawing his name anymore. It is somewhat astonishing that a player like Flynn could have increased his draft stock so dramatically in less than four months to be a lock-lottery selection, going potentially as high as fourth in the draft. Before the Big East tournament Flynn was seen as a fringe 1st round pick.
My main reason for analyzing Flynn now is because of the allegedly phenomenal workout he had with the Kings in Sacramento on Saturday (June 13th). The media at said workout came away enamored with Brandon Jennings - whose team apparently beat Flynn’s in a scrimmage – but it was Flynn who impressed at least some Kings representatives the most as stated Sunday by Sam Amick of the Bee.
Essentially all of the potential No. 4 picks have now worked out with Geoff Petrie in Sacramento other than Ricky Rubio who Petrie scouted in Spain last month (and could visit Northern California this week). These prospects include: Tyreke Evans, Jonny Flynn, James Harden, Jrue Holiday and Brandon Jennings. (I’m not considering players like Thabeet or Hill anymore at No. 4 – and neither should you. Also, Stephen Curry curiously hasn't scheduled a workout with the Kings.) Technically, DeMar DeRozan will workout for the Kings on June 20th but that is unlikely to change much. Of all these, the most likely now being Evans, Flynn, Holiday, Jennings and Rubio, it is anyone’s guess whom Petrie will select come draft night. And again, that is why a closer look at Flynn is important with STR having predominantly focused on the other three.
Let’s begin with the pre-draft measurements taken last month in Chicago. From a pool of 13 point guard prospects (Rodrigue Beaubois, Darren Collison, Toney Douglas, Tyreke Evans, Johnny Flynn, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Eric Maynor, Patrick Mills, A.J. Price, Jeff Teague and Greivis Vasquez – but no Beverley, Jennings, McClinton, Llull or Rubio.) this is how Flynn came out:
HT – 11th tallest; 6’0.75" w/ shoes (5’11.25" w/out shoes) – taller than Lawson, Mills; shorter than Collison and Teague
WT – 5th heaviest; 196 lbs. – comparable to Lawson (197); heavier than Mills
Wingspan – 7th largest; 6’4" – greater than Curry (6’3.5"), Collison (6’3"), less than Teague (6’7.5"), Holiday (6’7")
Reach – 11th best; 7’11.5" – greater than Mills, Lawson; less than Maynor, Curry, Collison
Body Fat – 7th best; 6.3 – Same as Holiday; Less than Lawson, Mills; Greater than Collison, Curry, Maynor, Teague
No Step Vert. – 1st; 33.0" – Best of all PG’s measured; Closest are Teague, Collison (each 30.5")
No Step Vert. Reach – 5th; 10’8.5" – Greater than Curry, Collison; Less than Holiday, Teague (each 10’9")
Max. Vert. – 1st; 40.0" – Best of all PG’s measured; Closest are Beaubois (39"), Teague, Lawson (each 36.5")
Max. Vert. Reach – 3rd; 11’3.5" – Less than Beaubois, Evans; Greater than Teague, Holiday, Curry
Bench – 6th; 10 – Same as Curry; Less than Lawson (14), Teague (13); Greater than Evans (7), Holiday (6)
Agility – 8th; 10.86; Better than Maynor, Holiday; Worse than Evans, Teague, Curry, Lawson, Mills
Sprint – 11th; 3.23; Better than Curry; Comparable to Holiday (3.21)
Average Ranking for Flynn – 5.85 of 13
Average PG at 5’11.25" w/out shoes – 185 lbs. (11 lbs. less than Flynn); 6’2.5" avg. wingspan (1.5" less than Flynn); 7’11.1" avg. standing reach (.4" less than Flynn)
Physically Comparable NBA Point Guards –
Raymond Felton – 6’0.25" HT; 199 lbs.; 6’4.25" Wingspan; 8’2" Reach; 33.5" Max. Vert.
Jameer Nelson – 6’0.25" HT; 199 lbs.; 6’2.5" Wingspan; 7’11" Reach; 33.5" Max Vert.
Aaron Brooks – 5’11.75" HT; 161 lbs.; 6’4" Wingspan; 7’10" Reach; 39.5 Max Vert.
Earl Watson – 6’1.25" HT; 184 lbs.; 6’6.75" Wingspan; 8’1" Reach; 37.5 Max Vert.
(Most comparable physically in this draft are probably Ty Lawson and Patrick Mills, but neither can jump like Flynn)
Flynn didn’t perform as well as one would probably think in the agility and speed categories calculated in Chicago. His sprint time in particular was comparable to A.J. Price (3.22) who had about twice Flynn’s percentage of body fat (12.4%). Perhaps he would qualify as more quick than fast? Where Flynn really stood out, however, was in his leaping ability. His 40" maximum vertical matched Derrick Rose’s last year and was almost as high as Brandon Roy and Mike Conley Jr. (40.5"). Flynn’s no step vertical was easily the best of the recorded PG’s as well.
Overall in terms of comparisons, I’d argue that his physique most closely resembles both Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson (who had 6.7% body fat in 2003 and was outperformed by Flynn on the bench press) but with even better hops than Aaron Brooks. I’m going to avoid the physical comparison to Watson simply because the other associations are more intriguing from the Kings’ perspective. Another common comparison has been to Damon Stoudamire. Also, one must take into consideration that Flynn is leaving Syracuse after his second season, whereas Felton and Nelson each spent three years in college respectively (Brooks played all four years at Oregon). Flynn is only 20 – a year younger than Donte Greene, and younger than Lawson, Curry, Teague and Mills.
If you followed Flynn at all the past two NCAA seasons you’d recognize his ability to penetrate and finish. His overall FG% reflects that at 46% despite only shooting 32% from 3 this past season. Summed up, Flynn has an explosive first step and is solid at changing gears, hesitating and getting to the free throw line where he is was a reliable 79% as a sophomore. Flynn also possesses good lateral quickness with a low center of gravity to potentially become an excellent perimeter defender. I say "potentially" because he still has quite a bit to improve on (as does Greene) still coming from Syracuse.
Flynn can dominate the ball at times offensively, as has been argued about Jennings also, and often gets into trouble trying to force passes while penetrating the lane out-of-control. Other than that however, the main claims against Flynn are that he is an inconsistent perimeter shooter and that his size makes it difficult to fight through screens. There’s not much Flynn can do about his size, but as far as shooting and making smart decisions as a passer, Flynn has proven coachable and has been praised for having a strong desire to work with his coaches and improve. He has also been commended as a leader that will earn the respect of his teammates.
Personally, Flynn has grown on me since March when I wrote this. Of course, that was when I thought he might be available at No. 23. So much for that. Still, this isn’t a callout for the Kings to select Flynn at No. 4 either. From the data available I am confident Geoff Petrie will be able to make a highly knowledgeable decision as to which of these PG prospects will best help the franchise, whether that be Evans, Flynn, Holiday, Jennings or Rubio.
A few days before working out with the Kings on the 12th, Flynn was asked what type of situation he would consider "positive" when entering the NBA next season and he said, "There are a lot of them. You look at Sacramento, with Jason Thompson and Donte Greene, maybe it’s there. It looks like they might want a point guard who can push the ball and run the offense and score and defend. People say that’s a team that’s been losing, but I’m not afraid of all that. I’m a guy who likes to fix something, and take something that might be a little wrong right now and make it right. That’s appealing to me. So as long as I get into a situation that’s good, it doesn’t really concern me what the team is doing right now."
I like Flynn, and if he were to come to Sacramento there’d be plenty to help repair.
Related Links –
Chad Ford, ESPN – "Flynn’s Game Standing Tall"
Rusty Simmons, SF Chronicle – "Jennings, Flynn Audition for Warriors"
K.C. Johnson, Chicago Tribune – "Bulls like the Looks of Syracuse’s Jonny Flynn"
Photo 1 via c2.api.ning.com
Photo 2 via www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Another good post sroufe
Rec’d. There are 5 people that I would not be upset at as the Number 4 pick – Rubio, Jennings, Evans, Flynn, or Holiday (In that order). I don’t think anyone else is in contention and I trust Geoff Petrie to make the best choice, although if he skips on Rubio dropping to 4, my head might explode.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 15, 2009 3:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto minus the whole head exploding thing
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by Bluejohn on Jun 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great read
Well done.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 15, 2009 5:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff DK
As per usual.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I like Flynn since the NCAA Tournament, from what I saw, he is a good passer and a leader. If we get him, I’ll be thrilled
by Kreuz on Jun 15, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way
he’s #4 overall. He may be the Kings’ pick, but only if they trade down. Many of the guys they are looking at and speaking well of suggest the potential to move out of the top 5. They are wisely preparing for several options.
I’d be fine with Flynn landing in Sac, but not at #4.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 15, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Flynn
I like how he combines quickness and toughness.
I’d like him better if 1) he were a better shooter (he may be able to improve) and 2) he demonstrated better decisionmaking and more creative passing (also something he could improve).
But still, I trust Petrie. If Flynn’s the guy he’s the guy.
by nbrans on Jun 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well whoever it is...
…that the Kings decide on, I’m glad that Petrie is making the decision. He is a top notch rookie talent evaluator, one of the best in the NBA. Look at what he has done with lousy draft position (Douby being his one very bad selection). He has done well in past drafts finding diamonds in the rough. Well 4th pick is not the rough. He should be able to find a very good player at 4.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Jun 15, 2009 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My worry
I like Flynn and all, but I always worry about anyone who has their stock rise significantly after the season is over. Don’t get me wrong, a guy like Geoff Petrie can learn a lot by conducting an in-person workout with a guy, but I’ve always believed that they way a guy plays in the NCAA will tell you how he’ll play as a pro.
My rule of thumb: Huge jump up the charts based on workouts = higher potential for bust. Big drop based on workouts = sleeper.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Jun 15, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I agree with your main point, which is beware the workout wonders. Joe Alexander is a prime example of that.
But I actually feel like too much weight is given to late season performance at the expense of the regular season, which is why you see guys inflate their standing with a good tournament run (e.g. Marvin Williams, Juan Dixon, Mateen Cleaves) at the expense of guys from smaller schools who don’t make the tournament or who had a poor NCAA tournament.
by nbrans on Jun 16, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on that as well
That’s a big part of my argument with Curry. Imagine if he’s gotten the bump this season from another tournament run. People would be a lot higher on him right now, but it wouldn’t mean that his skills had necessarily changed.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Jun 16, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is why they hire professionals to figure out stuff like this
It won’t stop me from voicing my opinions, but my point is: this drafting stuff is hard work and difficult to excel at.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 16, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flynn = run & gun, holiday = princeton.
holiday and flynn are my two favorite guards in this draft. i think they will not go wrong with either one. if the kings draft holiday, they’ll play the princeton. if they draft flynn, they’re running and gunning. should be interesting.
by kingsbruins02 on Jun 15, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Work..
I watched a number of Cuse’ games this year and I’d be happy as hell if GP pulled the trigger and took him at # 4.
The Only thing that scraes me about him is that I see a bit of Marcus Banks in Flynn. They had the same type of hype surrounding their game in college and both are “shorter” PG’s that can penetrate and score with ease but have concerns regarding their jumpers…Any thoughts?
I still like Flynn and Evans at 1 and 1 b….Both FAR above the Hype that is Rubio-
by Hoops916 on Jun 16, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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