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Grizz have no reason to pass on Rubio!

The Grizzlies hold all the leverage.  Rubio wants to play in the NBA and he is the second best prospect so you don't give him away for peanuts.  This is not Pau Gasol part II because unlike Gasol on the Lakers, Rubio will be playing on another up and coming team when the Grizzlies expect to be competing in the playoffs.  The last thing the Grizzlies need to do is gift wrap a superstar PG to a team in the same conference without making them pay a heavy price.  Also, Rubio has two options: play in the NBA or sit out.  His option of going back to Joventut are all but extinguished and I can't see him going back into that situation and playing for two season at $125,000 a season THEN sitting out an entire season so he can reenter the NBA draft in 2012.

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Fine

He’s yours. Enjoy the YouTube feeds as he heads back to Spain for another year.

Demands from the team that made the Kwame Brown deal. It is to laugh.

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by section214 on Jun 17, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rubio can't do that either

Memphis knows it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

If you’re saying that he’s burned his bridge with Jovenut, they can always trade him somewhere else.

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by section214 on Jun 17, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they can't

They no longer have his rights.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they do

They didn’t sell his rights to the government. Just his buyout clause.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

Maybe. Maybe not.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can they no longer have his rights

if he is still under contract?

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by section214 on Jun 17, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

This is something I have to research more.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify here

You & LPA are right here 214. My bad. I was reading something wrong.

That being said, I don’t think he’s in a position to go back to Joventut now.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey

Kfan and I were discussing an aspect of this – was hoping to get your viewpoint:

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/6/16/911093/rubio-was-on-a-flight-from#17034037

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 17, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Otis

Kfan had it correct. Rubio can sit this out, but it will cost him until 2011. He won’t want to do that. That’s why Fegan is trying to hard to court Rubio with Sac. He’s trying to get them to give up something of substance. Which is why Geoff Petrie is in the power position. I hope he realizes it. I question whether he will or not.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I agree that the interpretation of the rule is correct. My question was on timeframes:

The tricky question would be when exactly Ricky’s obligation to the non-NBA team would end. After the arbitration of his case? What if that pushes out past the deadline to apply for next year’s draft?

Most likely, this scenario is not going to come to pass – I’m just trying to figure out the additional leverage for Rubio and Fegan versus the risk he would be taking, if he didn’t play for a year. I doubt there has been a situation like this in the past, so it would be interesting to see how the NBA treated that type of case.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 17, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio & Fegan have very little leverage here

I’ll try to cover it in my writeup of this deal. Thanks for the reminder Otis.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool cool

Yeah, I agree they don’t have a lot of leverage, but the extension of Rubio’s visit to Sacramento is clearly an effort to increase that leverage.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 17, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

In which case the Kings should play nice, but clearly resolve to not give in to the Grizzlies demands.

We don’t like the trade for Rajon Rondo. How is this any different with Rubio?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait. What?

I knew something about a contract issue that Pookey didn’t?

Damn, I’m good!

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I mis-understood something.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the statement that he would have to enter the NBA in 2012 is technically inaccurate

The Grizzlies would hold his rights until 2011.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

They only get two years of draft rights, during which time he can play for Joventut, or whoever they trade him to.

That’s not sitting out. That’s exercising your option to land in the best situation possible.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent summary of what this deal is LPA

I might even quote it. So, if that’s plagiarism, I’m guilty. :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might be my new signature

:-)

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 17, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mis-understand a lot of things

This is hardly news. Stupid, smart-ass fuckhead. :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but when you own up to it around us scrubs it makes us feel special inside.

Now don’t do it again or I will poop on your head!

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 18, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wear a diaper

It will make everyone happy. Thanks

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Might not be able to go back to Spain....

….but he could go to another European team/league, that holds more flexibility with his buy out as they’d be able to contribute more towards his 6.6 Euro buyout.

All rubio has to do, if Memphis want to play ‘hard-ball’ (I laugh because playing hardball with Chris Wallace is like playing with My Little Ponies), not really attempt to buy out his contract, or figure out alternatives.

THe Kind has options. He still holds ALL the leverage.

by Smills91 on Jun 18, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barcelona is in Spain homey

And, that’s the rumor he might head to if not the NBA. (That’s the most likely destination.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're agreeing with me....

Rubio still holds all the leverage. Memphis has little to none. They’d be IDIOTS to select Rubio without a pre-arranged deal in place, in which case, a swap should be done PREVIOUS to selecting Rubio. Memphis actually SELECTING rubio is idiotic on Chris Wallace’s part.

by Smills91 on Jun 18, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea Chris Wallace

waste the #2 pick on a player who won’t play for you. Smart.

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by vfettke on Jun 17, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

First read enough of our blog to understand the difference between a fanpost and a fan shot. Second, just because you are the laughingstock of the NBA for trading Pau for nothing, don’t blame the rest of the world for your previous bad trades or assume some other GM is as stupid. Finally, don’t blame Sac for the fact that you’ve pissed off your other Sapnish players so much that Rubio doesn’t want you.

Stop waiting for the phone to ring and read this:

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doh

Spanish. But the point still stands.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya beat me to the punch, perfect come back.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 17, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think any team will draft Rubio if he won't play for them

They can try, but they might be wasting their pick. And with other players that will play, and Mike Conley coming off a good year, I don’t see why they pick Rubio, especially if he doesn’t want to go to Memphis.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there is much chance of Rubio ever playing for Memphis

But….I’m not optimistic he plays for the Kings either. I still expect another team to move up to get him. (most likely Knicks)

by Charlieb on Jun 17, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

with what assets?

What would Memphis want from them? Any SnT is off the table as that can’t happen until July in the which case your hinging the entire deal on a third part agreeing to your terms(Lee/Robinson) and Lee has already had a run-in with Memphis last year.

They have NOTHING of value to offer Memphis. Chandler and Gallinari play the same positions and roles as Gay/Mayo. Hell, DOnte Greene is a better fit for the Grizz than either of the Knicks two trading chips to move up. They have NOTHING but hot air.

by Smills91 on Jun 18, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Grizzlies

Oakland Raider fan till I DIE!!!

by Robby1987 on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't even need a point guard

And linking to your blog to make your point, like you have some kind of actual information instead of just a wishful thinking rant, is pathetic.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

btw

Rubio may not even go meet with people from Memphis or OKC.

Hes giving us a work out.

Draft him and watch as he goes back to Spain. That would be hilarious.

Punjabi by Nature

by Robby1987 on Jun 17, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only purpose would be for Chris Wallace to be a douche

I wouldn’t be surprised if he threatened to draft Rubio in the hopes of getting Petrie to trade up. I expect Petrie to call his bluff and tell Wallace to go fuck himself

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 17, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even if he does, Petrie could always make an offer before drafting at #4.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 17, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Grizzlies should take Rubio only if they really want to try and keep him

I don’t claim to know what Petrie thinks, but given his draft history, it should not be surprising at all if the Kings brass happens to like someone almost (if not just) as much as Rubio, whether it be Evans, Holliday, Flynn, Jennings, Harden, Hill, or someone projected to go even lower. If that’s the case, then there simply isn’t that much motivation for the Kings to give up much to trade up 2 spots.

With Rubio’s reluctance to workout for teams other than the Kings and possibly the Knicks, I just don’t see NBA GM’s making any great offers to move up to the 2nd pick. So the Grizzlies should only take Rubio if they truly think that they can workout his situation, and not because they think they can profit by trading him after the draft.

by hungrydog on Jun 17, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Memphis would have NO bargaining power

If they picked Rubio and tried to play hard-ball with another team. As pointed out they have a glut of PG, Rubio doesn’t want to play there, and every other team would know the pressure Mphs would be under to deal RR.

Bargaining power comes from posessing something that both sides possess. Having something that everyone else knows you can’t use gives you zero bargaining power.

by misterbrister on Jun 17, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bargaining power is irrelevant if more than one team wants Rubio

If the Knicks and the Kings (or more teams) want Rubio, then they need to outbid each other. It’s irrelevant if Memphis can use him or not, they can just hold an auction and trade him to the team that makes the best offer.

Try going to a car dealership and making a low-ball offer because there’s no way they can drive all those cars. It probably won’t help you.

by Charlieb on Jun 17, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose

I was assuming a bilateral negotation. I guess it’s true that we’re not the only ones who want him. Although I thought the Knicks were all into Stephen Curry…

by misterbrister on Jun 17, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis should certainly do what they think is best

and try to see what offers are out there…but Petrie has not tipped his hand and never will. Its all fan noise. If Memphis gets a bid too high the Kings cash in their chips and go with number 4. I think the back up plan may be to drop down, even ifs just to 5 and go for Holiday.

by ElRonToro on Jun 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

memphis is PR disaster as it is

Not signing any big free agents (ever), giving pau away when chicago would have traded half of thier team, and they traded for Marco Jaric.

"Because they don't have four pointers."
- Antoine Walker, on why he shoots so many three pointers

by Ellimist on Jun 17, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think people are overselling Rubio's leverage

Fegan tried this with Yi Jianlian for all the same reasons. Didn’t work. Milwaukee drafted him anyway and he ended up playing there.

Not saying this means Memphis or OKC are going to draft him, but if they really want him I don’t think all this drama is going to be what holds it up.

by nbrans on Jun 17, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be right

That whole Yi thing turned out to be much ado about nothing.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 17, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did Anderson Varejao

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean

Andy Varejao as a player? Or the Andy Varejao situation?

by misterbrister on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

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by section214 on Jun 17, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not convinced its worth it all

most teams are starting to think that I’d guess

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 18, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't really any leverage anymore after he filed a suit against his team...

as he won’t be able to go back and play in Europe until his buyout is resolved.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Jun 17, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YI-kes

forgot about Yi

by LPKingsFan on Jun 17, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, but

Yi played one season in Milwaukee and now plays in a suburb of the city with the largest Chinese-American population (by about 200k) of any city in America. So…

by furious.d on Jun 17, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m not sure that strategy worked out for Milwaukee. Yes, they got Richard Jefferson who is a much better player. Still, the Bucks had to take on a veteran with his best years probably already behind him, was serious injury risk with a huge NBA salary. For a team attempting to rebuild that doesn’t sound like a great deal to me. Would they have been better off taking the snub and drafting the next guy on their list?

by bignerd on Jun 17, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Philadelphia had a strong interest in Yi, and was one of the cities the Yi camp wanted him to go to. They had the 12th pick that year, and the rumor was that they would be willing to package it with their 21st pick to trade up for Yi. Say the Bucks had made that deal and gotten Thaddeus Young (who the Sixers ended up picking, and who – like Yi – is a PF with some SF skills) and the 21st pick (Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, and Aaron Brooks went 23, 24, and 26 respectively). If they do that, they never have to make the kneejerk trade of Yi and Bobby Simmons (and his $11M contract through 2010) for Richard Jefferson in a desperate attempt to salvage the value of the 6th overall pick.

Instead, they’ve got $51.5M committed just to the thoroughly uninspiring core of Redd, Jefferson, Bogut, and Gadzuric through 2011. Jefferson’s $15.2M ‘10-’11 season will cost them the ability to chose between re-signing Charlie Villanueva and/or Ramon Sessions and participating in the Summer 2010 Free Agent Bonanza. In my opinion, their attempt to force a player who they had never seen work out and who made no secret of the fact that he had no interest in playing for them has played a huge part in virtually guaranteeing that franchise mediocrity through 2011, followed by rebuilding (unless they absolutely hit the jackpot in the draft).

If I were Fegan, I would definitely be leaving Chris Wallace anonymous notes with Herb Kohl’s number on them.

by furious.d on Jun 17, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something we talk about in Spain that no one seems to think in the States

Ricky can pay his 4.75M€ clause and spend some time playing in Spain getting more money than with the rookie scale.

I’m sure some top european teams have already made offers. He can play for a year for a powerhouse like Real Madrid (I hope he doesn’t) for something like 3-4M€ after taxes, and that’s almost three times what he would make in a season in the NBA.

He has the power, he’s the one who chooses, he’s going to be a King.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 17, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But the Kings don't have to play Memphis' game

That’s Memphis’ problem. And, that’s what people in Spain may not realize. The Kings are not obligated, nor should they, break the bank, or even attempt to, to acquire Rubio at any price the Grizzlies set.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 17, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Let Memphis take him, let Rubio and his agent throw a fit until October, and let Petrie pull another fast one on the Grizz for their PG. Maybe they should think back to the last time they drafted a PG with the 2nd pick and ask themselves, how did this end last time? If they don’t remember, they can ask Steve Francis.

by blako on Jun 17, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I mean

Memphis and OKC shouldn’t draft him because he has many many options, and he seems to want to be in Sacramento.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 17, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point for playing on a richer club like Barcelona is a good one

I think he would do that too. I don’t think he wants to go to Memphis at all.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point

And you probably would’ve mentioned this if it was true, but I have a vague recollection of the large buyout being specifically linked to his leaving for the NBA. Is it possible that it’s smaller if he buys out to play for a non-NBA team?

Also, if you please, settle an argument for us: Are Catalan and Spanish (Castillian) separate languages? Or are they just separate dialects?

by furious.d on Jun 17, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buyout is the same

and Catalan and Spanish are different languages. It’d take a history lesson to explain the reasons and how it became that way, but I’m too tired to write it now :P

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 17, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's okay

We Americans don’t like to be informed, we just like to be right.

by furious.d on Jun 17, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did and will re-post...

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 18, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got this from La Marca

Rubio’s return to Spain is planned for next Sunday, June 23, when a meeting will be held on the conciliation between the player and DKV Joventut to try to reach an agreement on the termination clause.

Also i found this interesting .

The Oklahoma City Thunder, the team that third-elect after the Clippers and Grizzlies in the ‘draft’ in the NBA, are keen to gain the services of Ricky Rubio. In fact, senior executives of the franchise have contacted GP Abogados, a law firm established in Barcelona, to analyze carefully the potential legal maneuvering with the termination clause of the player (4.75 million euros), if the choose him on the 25th.

Said Van Gundy about the situation: "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," ..

by GreekKing on Jun 17, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No Greek "favors"

We frown on that around here. :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is right. Memphis should draft Rubio and then use the leverage to get something for him from another team

Or have such a deal in place, however you want to arrange it. Passing up Rubio to take a player who doesn’t fit any better in your system (either you have to move Mayo to PG to take Harden, or do something weird with Thabeet and Gasol on PF, etc.) and let him fall to a team that needs him is not smart.

by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Memphis better hope they have leverage with the FAA

Then they can see Rubio’s flight flying over Tennessee on its way back to Barcelona.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 18, 2009 7:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We will see how it plays out.

My guess is that Rubio will be in a Memphis uniform.

by Memphisx on Jun 18, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could see him in a Memphis hat

holding a Memphis uniform in front of him, but not actually wearing one.

If he does end up a Grizzly, can we have the other lanky PG that you guys drafted in the top 5 as a teenager two years ago?

by furious.d on Jun 18, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is they draft him and trade him on draft night to someone willing to give up more

than the Kings. We have too weak of a roster to trade any talent away so worst case scenario we draft another pg at 4 then a frontcourt project with 23. If the Kings are that high on him, which it really doesn’t seem like, then they can offer #4, #23 and K9’s contract for Jaric’s contract which is a reasonable difference for a two spot move. I really don’t see the Kings moving though and I really don’t see the Grizzlies keeping Rubio.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Jun 18, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're delusional.

Is your GM really dumb enough to draft a player that would rather go back to Spain than play there?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Memphis fans want it so badly to happen that they don't realize why it doesn't make much sense to take him

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

The same thing could be said about me.

I don’t want to think about how slim our chances are of getting him.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least we know

He wants to play here. We got that going for us

by eduardo_m7 on Jun 18, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say at this point is

I’ll be pissed if the Kings overpay for him. The view that the Grizz have leverage here is erroneous. I’ve believed that from day one, and still believe it.

But part of making that statement is erroneous is that the Kings could be just as happy, or potentially more, with any player that will be there at 4.

I don’t think the gap between Rubio and Griffin is nearly as steep as people like to believe. That being said the best fit for Rubio is clearly Sac.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Grizzlies draft him they have his NBA rights

It doesn’t matter if he wants to play there or not. They can still trade those rights and they will be valuable, more valuable than the rights to a 7 foot center who doesn’t fit their system. His agent did the same with Yi, and guess what the Bucks still drafted him.

by Norsktroll on Jun 18, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever drafts Rubio

Has his draft rights for two years, during which time he is under contract to Joventut anyway.

He doesn’t have to come this year. He doesn’t have to come next year. He can wait for those rights to expire and re-enter the draft. AND not have to pay his buyout.

That’s why any team he doesn’t want to play for would be stupid to draft him. Because he doesn’t have to go there if he doesn’t want to.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially

If he would have to pay huge money to play in a situation where he doesn’t fit or would be unhappy.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The question is would he go back to Joventut

And would they take him back.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they didn't

They could trade him. They own his rights.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what they are asking back

No team will give up much unless they can get a guarantee from Rubio. That hurts Memphis.

This whole thing hurts Memphis quite honestly.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We discussed this above

It wasn’t a winning strategy for the Bucks. Rubio’s highest trade value will be on draft day and values starts to diminish immediately after. How much leverage does a team have when it’s put a in a forced to trade scenario?

Memphis will either have a deal they like on trade day or it’s time to move on. Can’t afford to be bitter because the trade value isn’t what they perceive, that’s the freaking market value. Drafting him in hopes a better deal comes along later is foolish, ask the Bucks.

by bignerd on Jun 18, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The consolation prize of not drafting Rubio for Memphis is the 3rd best player they perceive to be in the draft. Which might turn out much, much better than the next Richard Jefferson (Bucks reference) and come at astronomically cheaper price.

by bignerd on Jun 18, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And LPA

I don’t care what you don’t want to think. Overpaying for Rubio is just as bad an option as anything else being discussed. It’s got more long term consequences actually.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I EVER say

I would over pay for Rubio? No.

I want him to fall to us. He should. Memphis and OKC don’t need him, and he doesn’t want to play there.

If not, I’d like to trade #4 and #31 for him. If pushed, #23 instead of 31, but I don’t want Jaric back, and I don’t want to give up anybody with the possible exception of Beno or Nocioni. I’d like to keep K9’s expiring for us to use at the trade deadline to pick up somebody useful.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh okay

No, I didn’t see that type of stand being taken. So, forgive me on that one.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much completely agree with your scenarios to get RR

But if a team like NY comes in and makes an offer to Memphis we could be shit outta luck unless we decide to throw in all our chips. It’s a tough one. Next thursday is so far away.

With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...

by kangsfan on Jun 18, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most reports

Have Jennings and the Knicks in love with each other.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be interesting

Jennings in NY and with D’Antoni. I would love to see that happen just for the comedy standpoint.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few references

Here,

Here,

And here.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Thanks for the links

(I love they’re popups too. Why new people have popup’s and old people don’t, argh.)

Anyway, yeah, it was like I originally said. What a shock that is.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always make them open a new window.

I hate things that make me go away from the page I’m on.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's a setting

Tell me how to change it PLEASE.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 20, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you click the link button and it pops up with the dialog box where you paste in the URL, check the box that says “open in a new window.”

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 20, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Okay.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 20, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just a link to my blog (it was just a test)

Thanks LPA!!!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 20, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings in NY?

Sounds like 300 shots per game for the Knicks. Which could become something like 3000 in total in a GS-NY game

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess on this is

If they Kings believe Rubio is head and shoulders above the rest of the PGs…or at least tied but will have a larger fan base, they will make a deal with Memphis (assuming word on the buyout is a go). I also believe that if this occurs Memphis will draft Rubio and the Kings will draft whomever Memphis wants giving them a lower salary for the guy they actually wanted all along and Rubio more compensation for his buyout. This all presumes that Memphis will be rational in its requests. I would prefer to send Nocioni instead of K9 and then use K9’s contract at the trade deadline. Its all what Memphis prefers as long as its not the young bigs (including Greene) or Martin. (and maybe not Garcia…I haven’t committed on that one)

by ElRonToro on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rubio’s kind of burning his bridges in Europe as it is with his contract dispute. If Memphis drafts him, he decide he’d rather play there than put up with his European team. Plus, the multi-millions he would be making if he can get past his buy out, compared to the few hundred thousand he’d be making in Spain would be hard to pass up.

All I’m saying is I can see a scenario where Memphis drafts him and Rubio decides he better just make the best out of it. Look at Yi Jianlian. He definitely did not want to go to Milwaukee, but they drafted him anyway and he just dealt with it.

by cbsf on Jun 18, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's possible

But Memphis would be stupid to take the risk that it doesn’t play out that way.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is certainly a high risk move

Ask Vancouver how that worked out when they drafted Steve Francis.

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by section214 on Jun 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another problem Memphis has

Is that Rubio is giving up a ton of money. He might even more by switching teams for 2 more years, or simply staying with Joventut. It’s very unlikely, but hey, it’s possible.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhhhh

rubio doesnt want memphis and if they pick him i bet he stays in europe…

by silverguy on Jun 18, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Memphis is in a really tricky situation to be asking for anything at this point.

IF Wallace decides he want to do this, and Petrie decides that Rubio is the guy, then Wallace should expect something along the lines of Rubio and Jaric for the #4 and K9(woof!). So he gets his player out of the deal (Thabeet OR Evans OR Harden), shortens that stupid Jaric contract by 2 or 3 years, and overall saves about 10-11 mil at the end of the season.

Petrie shouldn’t even make an offer IMO, let Wallace screw himself over, wait a few months until the asking price is a little cheaper, and then see whats happening.

Keep in mind, Chris Wallace is one of the WORST NBA GMs currently employed. How a guy who messed up a Celtics team that should’ve had Chauncey Billups, Paul Pierce, and Joe Johnson is just beyond me.

by VenomySnicket on Jun 18, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

obviously

We now know the Grizz’ didn’t go with Ricky Rubio. And they shouldn’t try to trade for him either. Ricky looks like he’s gonna go AWOL and nix the idea of playing in Minnesota. Why would you want that?

What the Grizz need to do is trade for Gasol and redeem yourselves..You guys started this Laker dynasty talk with that ridiculous trade.

by kingsforever23 on Jun 29, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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