2009 NBA DRAFT – DALT99 SYSTEM PLAYER RANKINGS (Post #2) with Statistical Analysis
INDIVIDUAL PLAYER ANALYSIS
Below is my analysis of my system's findings for the top 10 ranked players. (Note: click on the player's names to see a YouTube highlight video of that player. Click on the player's score and height (where applicable) to see a different highlight video.)
Blake Griffin (103), 6'10" - Yes, I DID double check my numbers. Actually I have probably checked them about 10 fricken times. 103 does seem a BIT high but as we all know, the dude is a rebounding machine. 17.3 per game?? That's nuts. That's not all though. He also throws in a meager 27.3 points on 65.4% FG shooting. Yah. Fricken' nuts. All this as a 19 year old sophomore. He also gets huge props in my book for showing that he's not just a guy that is peaking early. His freshman season scored a 97 (which would have scored him at a 94.5 if he would have duplicated those stats this season) which shows that he is still improving at a good rate. Negatives? Well, height (and wingspan) is really the only thing you can statistically look to when comparing him to all other power forwards in history. Well that and the (major?) fact that he is no marksman from the 3-pt stripe. Of course you could also wish his blocks were over the average number of 1.4 per game. It will be interesting to see if he can carry his rebounding prowess to the NBA. It may take a few years, but by the time he is 24 or 25, I think he will be at the point where we will know for sure just how good he really is.
Ricky Rubio (99.5), 6'4" - An extraordinary passer. Amazing court vision, flair and ball-handling ability. By far the best assist numbers in the draft at 10.6 (6.1/23 minutes) per game with ACB in Spain. That is phenomenal. His scoring average of 17.4 is nothing to complain about either for an 18 year old point guard. 4.5 rebounds per game shows he is willing to go into the paint and hustle. He actually has a career rebound average of nearly 6 per game. His steal rate of 3.8 this season is as amazing as his career 4.76 steals per game average. His game has been improving every year in three critical areas: points per game (12.5, 10.1, 18.2 and 17.4), assist average (4.8, 4.8, 7.0 and 10.6) and assist/turnover ratio (0.9, 1.8, 1.9 and 2.0). He still does turn the ball over a bit too much and shoots a slightly alarming 40.8% career FG shooting which is not showing any improvement.
Tyreke Evans (99), 6'5" - Terrible assist/turnover rate (1.08), 3-pt% (27.4) and...and......well, that's just about it. He's a freshman? Really? He's actually an "old" freshman at 19 already so I guess you could say he's a freshmore. Statistically I am super impressed with his ability to score 23.6 points per game while shooting ¼ of his shots from 3-pt range at 27%. He is obviously a scorer first and not a "true point guard" but his assist average of 5.4 is actually better than average for a shooting guard. Much better than average. For a point guard however, that number is not very impressive. There is no doubt that with Evans, you are getting a scorer first but he shows enough point guard skills to play the position competently. 2.9 steals and 1.1 blocks per game is also way above average for a combo guard. I haven't even mentioned his 7.4 rebounds a game. He's a freshman? Seriously though, I don't know how many NBA teams where Evans will flourish in. He needs the ball in his hands a LOT to be effective, but he is usually looking to score, not set up teammates. Only a team that's willing to be run by a "point-shooting guard" will allow Evans to play to his strengths so any team with an established point guard will probably not work for him.
Ty Lawson (98), 5'11" - Please see my post called "The Case for Ty Lawson" if you haven't already.
*Update* - Due to his combine results, he has dropped to 98 score.
James Harden (94.5), 6'5" - Solid. Really no major weaknesses. Rates strongly in points (22.5), assists (4.7), and free throw attempts (8.6) per game for a shooting guard. Just a bit above average in FG shooting and steals at 49% and 1.8 respectively. The only negative I can even come up with is that he did not improve on his freshman year in a large way. In fact if he would have come out last year, his score would have been a 96.5. I have seen this before though and the reason is probably because defenses this season really started keying in on stopping Harden. I am expecting a great career from JH13.
Stephen Curry (93.5), 6'3" - To me, of all the players in this year's draft, Curry is the most fascinating on a statistical level. He is a lights-out scorer (33.9) who throws up tons of shots. A prolific 3-pt shooter: half his FG attempts are threes with a career percentage of 41.4. After last year, his running mate Jason Richards leaves and he is stuck with the point guard duties. Lo and behold, as usual, Curry throws up a whopping 687 shots in 34 games (20.2 per game) but amazingly increases his assist average from 3.5 last season to 6.6 this season. His turnovers go up, unsurprisingly, but so does his assist/turnover rate to a respectable 1.5 for a combo guard. He may not be a very good defender but his fantastic steal rate of 3.0 per game shows that he is not asleep on that end of the floor. I look forward to seeing how he fares in the NBA.
Jrue Holiday (93), 6'4" - LOL. Wow, talk about a totally different player from Curry. You might be wondering how Holiday can be rated about the exact same as Curry when they are so different. One reason is class. If this would have been his junior year instead of his freshman year with stats like he put up, he would only score an 86.5. Another major issue is the school. UCLA's schedule is a bit tougher than Davidson's. Jrue really reminds me a TON of Russell Westbrook from last year. Both are from UCLA, have average assist numbers (5.5) and meager scoring averages (12.5) but are tough competitors with good but above average athleticism that seem to know how to play to their strengths on the court. Just like Curry, I am looking forward to seeing how good Holiday really is but I have a feeling that Curry will be the better pro. It's way too early to say so by statistics but It's my gut.
Hasheem Thabeet (92.5), 7'2" - He's tall. Very tall.
Oh yah, statistics? Well, he's improving his score every year! He blocks a whole bunch of shots (5.3) and grabs lots and lots of rebounds (13.6) and when he shoots they usually go in (64% FG). Seriously, those stats are impressive. I do wonder if he knows how to pass (0.6 assists per game) but really he is one of the best prospects at the center position since Greg Oden. The knock on him seems to be his basketball IQ but if he keeps improving the way he has been, he may just stumble into being one of the best centers in the league. Maybe not, but, at a 92.5 score, his stats when matched up to every other center in the past 25 years, doesn't come out half bad.
DeJuan Blair (92), 6'6" - NBrans is almost dead on when he says to just pass up on 6'6" power forwards. 99.9% of the time I would completely agree. DeJuan Blair is that other 0.1%. He is an absolute beast with a 7'3" wingspan! He is the fourth highest rated player (behind Blake Griffin, Stephen Curry and Lester Hudson) based on my main stat formulas (points, rebounds and assists only) in this draft class before negative modifiers are subtracted and secondary stats and intangibles are analyzed. There have been a couple recent 6'7" power forwards that have made an impact in the NBA. Let's compare stats with one shall we?
DeJuan Blair (92, Soph): 27.3 minutes, 1.2 assists, 12.3 boards, 15.7 points, 1.5 steals, 1.0 block, 59.3% FG.
Craig Smith (87.5, Senior): 36.3 minutes, 3.0 assists, 9.4 boards, 17.6 points, 1.2 steals, 0.8 blocks, 57.3% FG.
12.3 boards in 27.3 minutes is almost unheard of for a 6'6" power forward in the Big East. He even averages nearly 6 OFFENSIVE rebounds a game in only 27 minutes. I would actually compare Blair more to Paul Millsap and Millsap is turning out to be a very good player. Blair will be a force in the NBA but I think it will mostly be as a rebounder. Scoring against and defending NBA power forwards will be rough. I think that he will be drafted in the late teens somewhere so I doubt he will be on the board when the Kings pick which is fine with me. With all that being said, I still don't want to take a chance on a 6'6" power forward unless he can shoot the three or take 15 seconds to back down his opponent in the paint. Blair can't.
Jeff Teague (91.5), 6'1" - I don't know why, but when I watch him I get a little bit of a Mike Bibby vibe but I guess that's just me. I think it's because of his accurate set-shot three point stroke (44.1%) and that he's a scoring point guard. Actually, his stats are closer to what Nick Van Exel's were for whatever that's worth. At 23.5 ppg, Teague can really fill it up. As a sophomore he ranks very highly. Not too many sophomore point guards were much better than him as a scorer, outdoing past sophomore draftees such as Mike Bibby (21.4 ppg), Baron Davis (20.7 ppg) Chauncey Billups (23.4 ppg) and Gilbert Arenas (22.3 ppg). He even outscored highly praised shooting guard James Harden this season. Can he bring this scoring punch to the NBA is the question. Teague only dished out 4.4 assists per game which is way below par for top flight point guard prospects and his assist/turnover rate of 1.06/1 is frighteningly bad. Basically, by my stats, he really is a shooting guard that doesn't really play the point to set his teammates up. His steal rate of 2.3 is barely above average while his 48.5% FG shooting is rather impressive. Whoever picks Jeff Teague is getting a guard that will be able to score a lot. I think he would be a great pick for a team that has a ball-handling shooting guard like Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant or a team with great interior defense that needs a scoring point guard. I don't see too many teams like that though at least not in the range where Teague is expected to be drafted.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Nice Post
I enjoyed reading your write up’s, and am curious as to your forumla. How good has your system been in the past at predicting those picked in the top 10 being busts?
by Ebomb on Jun 21, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Busts
That’s hard to quantify exactly. To speed up my answer, let me approach it this way. Here is a list of the lowest ranked player in my system that was picked in the top 10 of thier draft. This might be the quickest way to see how it predicts “busts”
2008 – Danilo Gallinari (85.5), drafted 6th.
2007 – Corey Brewer (84), drafted 7th.
2006 – Patrick O’Bryant (80), drafted 9th.
2005 – Channing Frye (83), drafted 8th.
2004 – Rafael Araujo (84), drafted 8th.
2003 – Kirk Hinrich (90), drafted 7th (great draft year)
2002 – Mike Dunleavy (85.5), drafted 3rd.
2001 – Rodney White (67), drafted 9th.
2000 – Keyon Dooling (83), drafted 10th.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite "busts"
In 2006, everyone was going crazy for Adam Morrison. He scored an 83 and so I was wondering what the hype was about.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was curious on your personal thoughts on a few players dalt
One is Derrick Brown, another is Patty Mills, and the last is DeMarre Carroll.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Taj Gibson and Jeff Pendergraph as well
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
coming soon pguru
Quick comments:
Brown = statistically fairly average
Mills = strength of schedule inflates his stats. FG% is too low. Still young though.
Carroll = one of the more underrated players. Can he play the 4?
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate to piggyback off this
…but i too was wondering about a player: Patrick Patterson, from Kentucky.
i know he’s not coming out in this year’s draft, so if that excludes him from even getting a score in your system, that’s fine. but otherwise, i’d be interested to know how he’d do in your system — statistically he seemed great (~20 and 10 player, good FG%, decent passer, blocks, etc.), but he played for a lackluster team at UK.
by sactoreg on Jun 22, 2009 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Can you please elaborate on how the system may or may not inflate a player’s stats? Is that due to strength of schedule? Thanks.
Excellent work by the way.
by SugaB on Jun 21, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strength of Schedule
I won’t bore you with the formulas I use but they are not that complicated (on purpose) and while they can make a large impact on the final score of a player they usually only change a score at most by 2 to 6 points up or down.
By the way, regarding “inflated” stats do you mean that the averages I cited are higher than what they put up this year? That’s because the player statistics I cite are averaged out to 40 minutes so that all players are put on an even playing field. Then I go from there.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the implication is that players don't necessarily rebound that high a rate playing 40 mins that they do at playing 20
But I might have read his criticism’s wrong.
That being said, I don’t think there is much you can do about that part as there will always be players and sample sizes that don’t fit neatly overall with the data. (There are also other things that people haven’t taken into account as well. One is how stats are scored in Europe vs the US, and by all accounts, assists are much harder to receive in the European leagues than they are in the NCAA or NBA.)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good last point
Which is why assists carry more value than rebounds in my system. You see lots of players averaging 10 or more rebounds but not as many averaging that many assists.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
Interesting. I’d love to see the whole formula if you don’t mind. My email is a perfect place for it. Not to rip it off, but just simply study it. (I’m going into an engineering degree’s. Me & formula’s likey each other.)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
Are you a fan of Holiday – based on your system and what you have seen of him?
by SugaB on Jun 21, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holiday
Actually, I’m not a big fan of Holiday but that’s only because he hasn’t proven anything yet. I won’t argue with my own system. I think that he still has a ways to go to become a star in the NBA. Like I said, I think he can come in and make an impact like Russell Westbrook did this year. Holiday is a good defender so that’s a big bonus. Defense doesn’t show up in stats very much. I like Holday, but not for the Kings at #4.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a much better fit with GS
But that’s me.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
question about holiday's numbers...
do they take into account at all that he played off the ball as opposed to point last year or that he only just turned 19 whereas Evans will be 20 soon? I’m guessing its impossible to forecast something like probably assist numbers from a different position. I was impressed with Holiday’s passing skills and I don’t like him at #4 but it’s intriguing that he averaged just as many assists as Evans who actually played point.
by ucla06 on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I factor in all those things you mentioned quite easily. The system takes into account position based on stats. So if he played the 2 guard (SG), the system measures him up against the other 2 guards in history. Basically his assists were fantastic for a SG but not his points.
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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were picking for the Kings, are you advocating a Tier system?
i.e. If Griffin, Rubio and Evans are off the board would you wave off the draft gurus and pick Ty Lawson or skip down to Harden (or Curry or Holiday over-riding numbers for need).
by betweentheeyes on Jun 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if rubio and evans are off the board
then we pick Flynn, harden, or curry
by silverguy on Jun 21, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am torn
I am not advocating a tier system by any means. I am not a big believer in “best player available” because I have seen time and time again that many of these players are fairly close in skill. I would usually prefer that a team would pick the player that scores a 90 in the position they are weakest in than pick a player that scores a 92 but plays a position of their star player. It depends a lot at where you are drafting too I suppose. For instance at the 31st pick, I am much more in favor of “bba” because most likely that player will be a bench player anyway.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recommended that as well
And really liked your stuff from the last year too. May I just ask how have you evaluated performance ofinternational players (i.e. how did you consider stats from national leagues, Euroleagues) etc?
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jun 21, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't answer for certain
But I think he does it on a per 40 basis for everyone.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you took Rubio's name off of his description and said it was an NBA player
I wonder who people would guess it is. Scores in double figures but isn’t a great shooter? Great passer with a lot of assists and pretty decent assist to turnover ratio? Excellent rebounder for his size? Anybody? Anybody?
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by vfettke on Jun 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubio isn't athletic enough
< / snark >
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio isn't athletic enough
(no snark)
by nbrans on Jun 21, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the over/under on you mentioning that at 30 mins
You win.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't rebound nearly as well as J-Kidd
by Charlieb on Jun 21, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd rebounded 4.9 times a game
In just about 32 mins. That’s significantly more time (and a bit better rebounding) than Rubio got this past season.
But, Rubio is a damn good rebounder for his age and considering the level of play he was at. It’s definitely one of his positive attributes.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he was a poor rebounder - just not Jason Kidd caliber
by Charlieb on Jun 21, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Few guards in the history of the NBA are.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, might be an unreasonable standard for a PG
It’s just tough to compare Rubio (or any player) to J-Kidd. Kidd has among the most unique skills (and flaws) of any player in history.
by Charlieb on Jun 21, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That pretty does sum it up accurately.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much^
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering why the FO never really seemed to look closely at Lawson and Teague
by nbrans on Jun 21, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because they hate athletic black players from North Carolina
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace?
Oh wait we sent him to North Carolina.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's from Alabama
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I take the point about Teague away
I forgot he was from Indy.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for this.
Good shit.
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by BPaoliano on Jun 21, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gack
I forgot to write that whenever I mention a player’s average in any stat such as points or assists, I am always averaging out to 40 minutes per game. That is for comparison sake for every player.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still for Lawson as an option at the 4th pick
He did very well in the uptempo tar heels system, and he could do very well in Westphal’s uptempo system as well, and Dalt’s argument for him has solidified the argument as well.
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by submison on Jun 21, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post
Just curious, how much more are assists worth than pts or rebounds?
Are those stats adjusted/rewarded differently by position?
not a stat geek or real believer in stat predictors myself, but maybe someone will convince me.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 21, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Assists
Assists are not worth more than rebounds or points by themselves. You hit the nail on the head with asking if they are rewarded differently by position. They are but not because I feel that they should be but because history has shown it.
Centers and power forwards don’t get much of a bonus for assists because, unless they are Brad Miller, they are rarely asked to run an offense. Conversely point guards don’t get a huge bonus for assists because they are SUPPOSED to get assists. Therefore they get more negative modifiers for low assist totals depending on height.
The real bonus for assists comes for certain players in the shooting guard and small forward positions. Why? Again, history demands it. Let’s look at some of the best players of last 25 years in those positions: Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Scottie Pippen, Ray Allen, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill and Vince Carter. All those players have a career average of over 20 points per game per 40 minutes (except Pippen) and over 4 assists per game. What that shows is that to be a star point guard, 4 assists per game won’t cut it but if your small forward is dishing out 5 or 6 assists a night, that shows a level of talent that makes a star in the NBA. Case in point. Look at the Kings. Last season when Artest was on the team he was the best player. His scoring average was 21.5 points with an assist average of 3.7 per game. This year, most people thought that John Salmons had a breakout year (he did) and was the most consistant player (and maybe the best) on the floor for the Kings. He averaged 19.6 points and 4 assists.
Basically assists by themselves are never more important than any other stat. It’s the other stats that the player is putting up with the assists that determines the strength of the player.
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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Terrific breakdown
I’m glad you pointed it out because I do think it matters.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Rubio’s athleticism, after I downloaded a couple of his games online, I came away thinking it’s underrated. I had read the scouting reports and seen some clips and I had pegged his athleticism as average but I think you have to break it down in parts. His leaping ability is below average and more alarming than evaluating a strict vertical, he looks awkward when he has to make an athletic move in the air against defenders, almost like his hamstrings are too tight. However, besides his vertical and ability in the air, he looks to have good speed. His first step looked good and he can blow by defenders. He has enough speed that he’s going to be a threat pushing the ball. His lateral agility looked good as well. He can really move his feet on defense and harass his man.
To maybe get a better definition of his athleticism, compare him to Nick Calathes for instance. Calathes in my opinion is a Rubio clone with less athleticism. He has nearly the same physical proportions and his passing vision and feel for the game are just as good. However, it’s hard to see Calathes holding up on defense against nba point guards or being able to dribble drive against them. Rubio on the other hand has enough foot speed to handle the position.
Another thing about Rubio, his energy level is outstanding, both on the floor and on the bench.
by Galeto on Jun 22, 2009 2:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks dalt
This is great information (as usual).
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by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh...
The benefits of reading StR. Thanks, dalt, for the annual brilliance.
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by section214 on Jun 22, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's benefits?
Next you’re going to say that people are friendly around here. Ha!
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by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Very well done…..good statistical insight. I love Lawson for the Kings, and your case for him is great. I don’t like him at the #4 pick because he could be a value pick several picks later than #4, but would LOVE for Petrie to trade down to 10,11,12 range and pick him up with another asset to a team wanting to jump up to grab Rubio or Evans.
Its still weird to me that Lawson ranks behind so many PG’s on all the draft boards. He’s won AND is a proven leader AND can shoot AND can defend AND is one of the quickest PGs in the draft. Baffling.
by PurplePurple on Jun 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lawson at #23
Even if Lawson is available at #23, the Kings wouldn’t take him.
He hasn’t been in for a workout and Petrie is notorious for never picking a player he hasn’t brought in for a workout.
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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get this
Why wouldn’t the Kings bring him in for a look?
This has been bothering me for over a week now.
It just seems like a lack of due diligence . . . and REALLY has me worried about the rumored selling of later picks.
by smgmatt on Jun 22, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it really means they're looking at PF's there
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by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
They didn’t bring Maynor either, I believe. They both look to be going in between the Kings’ first round picks (anywhere between 10 and 20, really). I’m not saying that’s right or wrong, it’s just what most draft boards and draft experts seem to have.
I would’ve loved for the Kings to bring in Lawson AND Maynor but they did bring a lot of PGs to see and all of them seem to be in play for the 4th pick. The other guys they brought in, like Collison (even Mills), look like they may fall to the second round. I think they are just being selective with their time and workouts. You only have so much time to look at these players. Who knows? Maybe they saw Lawson at some other teams workout?
Again, I’m not saying this is right, I’m just trying to understand the reason why we haven’t seen him.
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 22, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow
Petrie may know that Ty Lawson (or Maynor) will be gone by #23
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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a bigger part of all this
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by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But then again, he never brought in Rajon Rondo or Marcus Williams and they slipped down to where the Kings were drafting.
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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I understand your point
I’m glad he didn’t draft either.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't rather have Rajon Rondo
Than Beno Udrih?
Even if I don’t think Rajon Rondo would be a good fit long-term for the team, he would be a much better asset to have on the roster than Beno. Marcus Williams too.
The mo’ assets, the mo’ better.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pookey
Why the Rondo hate? I don’t understand it. What do you dislike about 14.4 ppg, 9.9 apg, 6.3 rbp, 2.3 spg, 50.5% FG shooting?
He’s 23 fricken years old!
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if Boston is trying to trade him and take advantage of his value now
That says something to me that they’re willing to sell high on a kid whose peaked at 23 years old.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I don’t think he’s the type of player who fits into the Kings system at all.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bibby
We had him for many years. A scoring point guard. He didn’t bring the Kings a title, even with Webber, Divac Christie, Jackson and Peja on the team.
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jus' sayin'
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dalt
I have a great deal of respect for you, but do you really think that the reason the Kings didn’t win a title or two was because Bibby was a scoring point guard? Really?
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by section214 on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
All I was trying to say (and maybe I worded it wrong) is that just because a point guard is not a “scoring point guard” doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a good fit. He fit in just fine with Boston. They won a title with him at the point at 22 years of age.
Another major point I would like to make is that everyone (me included) is always complaining that the Kings have such terrible defense in the backcourt. First with JWill then with Bibby and now Beno. Rondo is a better than average defender and would help a lot in that area. I think that’s an underrated part of his game.
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clarifying
It made sense once I connected the dots.
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by section214 on Jun 23, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean it
Just because Boston might be listening to offers for Rondo doesn’t mean they actually are trying to dump him.
Also, if they are, it doesn’t mean they are right about him not being the right fit for them.
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Rondo because I don't think he's the right fit
Would I rather have Rubio or Flynn and take my chances? You bet your ass dalt.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I won’t argue with that. I like all 3 of those players. I am just a bit more like Petrie I think. I would rather go for the sure thing. Actually of those players I would take a chance on Rubio but would take Rondo over Flynn. I don’t think you are wrong for preferring Rubio and Flynn over Rondo though. Just a different philosophy
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rondo was a sure thing
Really a sure thing, do you think I would argue against that?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pookey
I guess I still don’t know what it is you dislike about Rondo. Is it just that he doesn’t score?
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by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay dude
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