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Chad Ford, ESPN.com, June 22:

Several people in the Kings' front office already doubted Rubio was the right fit, so it didn't help that he wasn't there to duke it out with the other top prospects. [...] Evans emerged at the top. His physicality was just too much for Flynn, Curry and Calathes to handle. As one Kings scout said, "It was a man beating up boys."

Sam Amick, Sacramento Bee, June 20:

While Rubio remains high on the Kings' board, it is believed the in-house opinions vary greatly. Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn has many fans in the team's scouting department and front office [...]

 The Kings' scouts are touting Jonny Flynn and Tyreke Evans at the expense of Ricky Rubio. Is it political (in that drafting Rubio empowers those who have worked hardest to get him into Sacramento twice) or is it legitimate?

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress, June 22:

The official party line is that Sacramento is concerned that Rubio will struggle to assert his leadership ability on the group of players they currently have in place, due to the fact that he’s only 18 years old and not a native English speaker. One of the biggest issues Sacramento had last year was with the culture of their team lockerroom. On top of that, the Kings are worried that will Rubio will have a huge target on his chest coming into the NBA, and that other players will "try to go at him every single night."

How legitimate are those concerns? Will Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson and Donté Greene really bristle at a kid who wants to do nothing more than be their friend and feed them lob passes at the rim? (Hawes told KHTK's Carmichael Dave that he'd pick Rubio in the draft, Martin is close with the man who has navigated the Rubio waters, and Greene and Thompson would make a killing off a fast, creative point guard. A killing in dunks. The dunk-dollar exchange rate is AMAZING in the NBA!)

You know who else had huge targets on their chest coming into the NBA? Every top draft pick ever. The Kings had a fricking bounty on Greg Oden's head last year!, and he ended up doing fine against Sacramento. This was actually an argument against Yao Ming way back when, that a) he wouldn't get along with his English-speaking, street-bred teammates, and b) that opposing centers would try to embarrass him every night.

Yao Ming has averaged 19/9/2 over his career, and has been named to five All-NBA teams. Provided he does not lose a limb over the next four years (which is actually a legitimate concern, sadly) he will be in the Hall of Fame.

I am sorry, sirs in the Kings scouting department, who I admire and respect a great deal. But ...

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And the cat strikes again

TZ hits another one out. Shocking on all counts. Well done sir.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I find it...

hard to believe that guys like Hawes, Thompson, Martin, and Greene would not be accepting of any player. It’s not like we’re dealing with the late 90’s Trailblazers team here. Good stuff, Tom.

by Zach H from Talk H on Jun 22, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap..

That cat is pushing a watermelon out of a lake!!

by Deez on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty soon....

…we’ll learn TZ is the most. deliberative. monster. ever.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The greatest contradiction...

…of the articles cited is that if there is in fact a concern about Rubio’s acceptance in the current lockerroom, but they know he’s the guy they want, couldn’t they trade one or two of the said malcontents to move up and take Rubio at 2/3? Seems like a natural progression, if he is indeed the one they want after all factors are resolved.

My head tells me that today’s workout will cast a great deal of light on the situation, and provide a lot of clarity on the next three days. If there is a fracturing in the front office about who to take, it is worth remembering that only the Euro scouts and GP have seen RR play competitively in person, and this last visit could be the tipping point. Reading between the lines (which is what one must do with GP), multiple visits overseas and three days of interaction with a point guard prospect generating his own natural publicity and marketing machine makes me believe the pairing could be a natural marriage for a small town team in need of significant buzz. Sure, Tyreke Evans might be the better LONG-term option, but Rubio will generate short term energy needed. With a team and city needing serious convincing for a new arena and commitment, short-term may be the flavor most needed at the minute.

by KevinSalvadori on Jun 22, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion

that the different perspectives among the Kings’ personnel is “fracturing”. In my experience, the best case organizationally is for different people to have different opinions, offered well. You want to hear everyone make his strong case, knowing that will help you not to overlook something, or simply reinforce your position. I’d be shocked if anyone questions who makes the choice in the end, and then all hands are on deck.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

bet Petrie is loving this. Once again, no one can get a read on him.

“It’s going to be Rubio, he’s the next Nash …… no, Flynn, he’s really quick….. no, Evans, he can make a mean meatloaf …. " I love it.

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on Jun 22, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

...speaking from spain...

I do not know what do these guys have against Ricky but as you say in this post their arguments are…at least…ridiculous

“he’s only 18 years old and not a native English speaker” – He played with pro’s when he was 15, he turned pro at 16, he was the PG starter of Spain in Olympic Final against USA with 17 (J.Calderón was injured); always as a PG and always with leadership. In spanish league we have players for many countries, so, wich language do you think most of the time the coaches speak with the players in…English, right (it’s incredible, I know, but when you have to tell the play to do to one french, one slovenian, one spanish and two american guys…it’s the better to do it in english) and you can see the interview a few post ago, come on, in three months he could speak english as well as anyone in the court…to, at least, play basketball.

You can say you prefer anyone in the draft, but, arguying this way is nothing but foolish words.

PD: I’m so sorry about my english, I’m learning it seeing Lost and Prison Break subtitled. See you.

by 5on5 on Jun 22, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

If learning English from watching Lost and Prison Break helps you speak English that well....

…I clearly need to watch Spanish television more often.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't work pookey

We’re not that smart

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey, I hope for your sake that Rubio doesn’t end up in Portland. That would just be cruel.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sir, I'm going to kindly ask you to leave

We don’t talk that way here at StR

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Leave cablin alone

I’ll beat you up if you don’t.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I just don’t want Portland to jump in front of us again. Jerks

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point

I don’t really care. I don’t really see how Ricky works all that well in Portland At this point for Ricky, Sacramento is the best available option for him in just about every way.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no he wouldn’t a fit in Portland unless Nate was fired.

I just don’t want to see him in OKC. That would make me throw up in my mouth.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I want him in OKC either

I think it would be fun to track Rubio’s development either way, and it would be less intriguing to do so if Rubio was on a team that wouldn’t do as much for him like Minnesota or OKC. (I don’t think Minny is a good fit unless they’re going to ask Al Jefferson to stop being a plodding post presence.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple hours of spanish television

would blow your mind

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 22, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So would having sex with a Spanish woman

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or sex on a television with a Spanish woman.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate you for real

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree with you

that’s why I only see TV for Sports, and watch american series on PC, much better than translated

by 5on5 on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have Muchachada Nui too

but no one out of Spain can understand that

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 22, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wholeheartedly agree

Those concerns are stupid excuses for making a colossal mistake. Take Rubio and everything will be fine. If Amick’s reports are true about Rubio’s buyout we could be seeing Greene and Thompson catching alley oops and those player being amazed that the ball are delivered where they want them, something Beno struggled mightily at last year.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 22, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

only thing Beno didn't struggle with....

was turning the ball over and making Kings’ fans sick.

Why should I change my name? He's the one that sucks!

by NoCal-SteelCity on Jun 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Cisco: Sayid
Beno: Sawyer
Kenny Thomas: Ana Lucía

Too bad we didn’t get the first pick this year. We missed out on “Freckles”.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Jun 22, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ana Lucia was a badass

And she only lasted one season I think? Kenny Thomas NEVER LEAVES THE SHOW.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And only days ago

the entire free world had Griffin and Rubio clearly separated from the rest. Then everyone drops acid and runs from the monsters.

Note to free world: Nothing’s changed.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Enh.

Everyone around here just sloshes their arguments around when it comes to Rubio. It goes, “He’s such a great leader! He’s such a great leader!” But then when someone points out, "No NBA player is following an 18 year old from Spain, it goes, “It doesn’t matter! He’s only 18!”

Here’s why all this matters: leadership is supposed to be one of Rubio’s core strengths. He comes in with a whole slew of weaknesses: athleticism, shooting being the main ones. As with any prospect, you’re looking at what is going to translate. Leadership is probably not going to translate. All you’re left with, as Ziller is left with above, is passing.

Is one dimensional passing with little else until he develops further enough for the #4 pick? Is he going to be able to handle the pressure when he inevitably disappoints a fanbase that has completely unrealistic expectations for his career trajectory?

At the end of the day passing alone and his potential will probably be enough for the front office to take him if he’s there at #4. But careful when you just wave away a player’s weaknesses like they don’t matter because if you do you’re going to be disappointed.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Kings players should listen...

He probably has the most history of performing at a high level against quality competition and winning of anyone on the team.

by markdog333 on Jun 22, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But won't his passing help his leadership?

Yeah, he’s young which may cause leadership issues. But most of our core players aren’t much older than him. Plus, if Rubio tells JT or Spencer to set a screen for him then run to the basket and he tosses them an alley-oop or if he drives to the lane causing defenders to fall in on him and he passes it out for the open 3, won’t the other players think “hey, this guy’s makin me better. I think I’ll listen to him?”

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Leadership is earned. And if he shows it on the floor he’ll get respect. But project players don’t immediately tend to step in and start turning a locker room around.

If he gains anything it’s going to be more of a “leadership by example” situation than anyone listening to him right away.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But does our locker room need to be turned around?

Just because Kenny Thomas won’t respect him doesn’t mean the other guys won’t. And, yes, he’s a project player. But isn’t this kind of a project team, so to speak?

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the way it should be

All your argument is doing is enhancing the Rubio argument.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does

If you think he’s going to come in and be awesome right away.

I tend to think that he’s much more of a project, and projects don’t exactly come in and start showing the world how to win.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly

Which is another reason I want Rubio. This team isn’t going to blow anybody’s hinges off anyway. Being patient, is, an option here. It also should be something that ownership should recognize too.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a project.

He’s not going to just show up and lead. He’s going to play. If these kids like paying together, good things will happen. There is a better than average – as well as a better than likely with other draft prospects – chance that they will enjoy playing basketball with him.

The whole leadership thing is its own animal. No one is the leader. Several think they are the leader. That’s Westphal’s fish to fry.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the leader aspect is something Westphal will definitely define

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One more counterexample

Derrick Rose, the least loquacious player in the NBA. He seemed to have the Bulls by the balls, right?

I’m good with leadership by example, especially after the Late Bibby and Early Beno eras. Artest and Miller aren’t in the locker room anymore.

by Ziller on Jun 22, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Rubio doesn’t have to be a vocal leader from Day 1. Just has to have a good work ethic and not clown around.

by oldenpolynice on Jun 22, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

There aren’t any #1 picks that are expected to come in and be the locker room leader right away. Even Lebron had to learn his way in regards to leadership.

To try to draft a leader isn’t something that happens. If Rubio is good, he’ll be a locker room presence. He’ll be a leader. If he isn’t enough of one, you deal with it, but NO ONE is a leader coming into the league.

I don’t get that argument, for any sort of team, at any stage in their development. For a team this high up in the draft, you take BPA and not worry about how the pre-existing (and not as good as what we hope Rubio can become) players react to Rubio.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeBron's a leader?

No way.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he's the focal point of the team ;-)

And even though he came into the league with everyone planning on him being the focal point, it even took him some time to be the unquestioned leader of the team.

All I be sayin’ is, Rubio shouldn’t get knocked down as a leader because he wouldn’t be one right off even if he was the leaderingest leader with an electrified leading machine.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm sir

I got your point. And, it’s spot on.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally Morty i agree with you

But in a draft where there is no way to clearly discern which player is best, I think you take the best available talent who fits into what you’re trying to do.

Next year, I’m totally on board with the BPA argument though.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do people still read the DX profiles? Or do scouts come up with totally different opinions than everybody else?

Tyreke Evans: Larry Hughes. Willie Green. How is that a PG? Of course he is pushing around PGs in a workout. He is a friggin shooting guard, at best a combo. Which would be all nice and dandy, but you have Kevin Martin playing that position. I don’t get it.

by Norsktroll on Jun 22, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it Norskie

At first I thought Evans was a really tall long PG. I’ve since learned since. And, I do read DX profiles. What Evans will have is very good handles for a SG.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chad Ford agrees with you Charlie

Nothing I’ve read since makes me believe he’s wrong.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that having Kevin Martin

Is reason enough to pass on anyone in the draft. This team needs to start stockpiling talent.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"man beating up boys"

= note to Memphis: this guy really impressed in Sacramento. Better pick him.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Evans would be a horrible fit in Memphis

Mayo needs the ball in his hands a lot. So does Evans. And then what do you do with Conley?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the GMs and scouts job

IS to discern who is best, in their opinion. Who has the best chance to be the best pro NBA player. If it truly is that equal, yeah I guess ya gotta go with best fit (or whatever criteria the GM deems worthy), but it shouldn’t be that equal.

Even if ya got Kevin Martin scheduled to be at the SG position for the next decade, ya GOTTA go BPA if the BPA is a SG. When teams don’t go BPA, they shoot themselves in the foot unless they are like the Pistons in 2003 and already had an established, successful team.

And even then, it screwed up whatever chances the Pistons had of being still-successful (though I guess it can easily be debated that the Pistons thought they were going BPA by getting Darko). Back to on topic…

For any team, like the Kings, that are developing numerous young talents that may or may not be a part of the team for the long haul, and the identity of the team isn’t anywhere close to being firmly established on the court, you gotta go BPA to continue to amass as much talent as possible.

I can’t say what “Kings Basketball” is anymore, and I imagine it’ll take some time for the team to see what they have now as well. Getting a player that fits what you have now, when what you have now will almost certainly change as everyone grows, I think is too short sighted.

Especially in the lottery.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the $64,000 question is:

Does Petrie subscribe to the BPA philosophy?

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I got no idea

I do trust Petrie though, and think he’s really smart and “thinks outside the box”, to use a cliche.

I think people would be wondering what Petrie would do even if he had the #1 or #2 pick. He isn’t predictable… in a good way, I hope. I don’t think he drafted Jason Thompson on a whim, after all, but felt he was BPA.

But I could see someone saying he was only the BPA that fit what he’s trying to do in Sacramento. Hmmm…

Yeah, I got no idea who Petrie will go with. I hope for everyone’s sake it is BPA, because that only screws you over if you’re bad at judging talent… and since I think Petrie is a good judge of talent, it is BPA-Ride-Till-I-Die-I-Hope.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your 3rd paragraph is definitely applicable

Petrie says publicly he goes BPA, but in the past his history has not shown he’s done that. (Francisco Garcia over David Lee for instance. This doesn’t even include someone like Monta Ellis.)

But, Morty, if anyone can convince me that Tyreke Evans is that much better than Jonny Flynn, or for that matter Ricky Rubio in the same scenario, you’re going to have your work cut out for you.

At this point, I believe the Kings will make Flynn or Rubio work, and it’s going to be something that OKC and Memphis can’t do anything about. The Kings have reasonable young talent at a few positions, and they badly need a young PG to go along with that said young talent.

Thankfully, this draft is chock full of those in otherwise what would be a bad draft to be in. (The fact it’s pretty deep at the 4 is not a bad stroke of luck either.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

However a clause has to be added to the BPA rule. The BPA in which you can cultivate on your roster. For example, Evans development would greatly increase on Memphis and OKC compared to our own roster. He starts at SG on those rosters and is the 3rd wheel. In Sacramento he sits behind Martin and when put in the game has to become our 1st or 2nd offensive option from the bench.

by bignerd on Jun 22, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Translating leadership

So is Flynn’s leadership more valid or something? I don’t get it. Rubio has a supposed record of leadership in European professional and international ball. Flynn has a supposed record of leadership in American collegiate and (I guess) international ball. (I haven’t heard too much about Flynn’s Team USA work, though I believe he played at the youth level.)

Why is one less valid than the other? Because one speaks broken English and can’t jump over Folsom Lake? Was Vlade Divac an apparition?

by Ziller on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think the whole leadership thing is completely overblown for every player

But in Flynn’s case, his “leadership” or whatever is one of a diverse set of strengths.

For Rubio, his current strengths are basically passing and leadership. Those are his strengths. Take one away, and you’re left with passing.

The FO obviously views Rubio as a project. They don’t see him as someone who is going to step in and start changing things immediately.

Sactown Royalty views Rubio as Basketball Moses, ready to immediately lead Sacramento through the Red (Ink?) Sea. And any time people start questioning the dream, they either say “He’s only 18!” or say it doesn’t matter.

I think wishful thinking is clouding people’s view of the situation, and these overblown expectations won’t help things in the event the Kings draft him and he ends up being the project the FO thinks he is.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always laugh...
Sactown Royalty views Rubio as Basketball Moses

…when someone implies that people here have a set viewpoint on ANYTHING. It tells me you have are making a weak argument, and are looking for a crutch.

How can anyone take you seriously when you say this:

For Rubio, his current strengths are basically passing and leadership. Those are his strengths. Take one away, and you’re left with passing.

Rubio may or may not be the best point guard in this draft, but that is laughable and ill-informed.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pardon me

“The vast majority of registered Sactown Royalty commenters view Rubio as Basketball Moses, which I hadn’t clarified because I had thought it was apparent I was generalizing.”

and

“For Rubio, his current strengths are basically passing and leadership. Those are his strengths. Take one away, and you’re left with passing. [caveat for otis 29] He is also a decent set shooter, but not so good that can really be considered a strength. He is also considered to be a good defender, which I personally don’t think is going to translate because the NBA is more athletic and the rules don’t allow hand-checking, which is more permissible in Europe.”

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That hand checking thing work both ways

Won’t that make him even better on the offensive end?

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So using that argument to defend my point is a maybe, but when you use it to defend your point its a sure thing, right?

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t totally disagree with you. Yeah, I think we’ve quickly annointed him our b-ball savior. I’m guilty of it too. But, I think for all intents and purposes he is. It’ll take him a few years to get there, like it does for a lot of great young PGs, and I have no problem waiting.

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Because I just didn’t want to get into the ins and outs. Yes, maybe it will help him offensively if he’s quick enough to get around people on his own. I think that aspect remains to be seen. It will certainly help him on pick and rolls, where he’s already pretty effective.

Sometimes “maybe” is just short for “I don’t feel like typing every caveat at the moment.”

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depending on who you ask

He’s already incredible at running the P&R.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh by the way, and TZ didn't mention this

But that’s something that many players on the Kings also do well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try again
The vast majority of registered Sactown Royalty commenters view Rubio as Basketball Moses

This is still bullshit, and it appears to be your stock in trade in this argument.

But thanks for adding the caveats on Rubio’s game – it appears those are important little pieces of data when discussing a guy’s potential to play in the league.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

You think so?

I’m sorry, to me the prevailing tone around here sure trends toward Basketball Moses.

I mean, you’re acting like I kicked your puppy or something.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I think people have overwhelmingly rejected the idea of trading up for Rubio. If we thought him to be Moses in High-Tops, wouldn’t we be OK with packaging JT and the No. 4?

This is about the fourth pick in the draft. I think Rubio is a better choice than Flynn, a lot of StR members think the same, and I’d venture to say most basketball fans, analysts and assorted coaches/scouts/etc feel the same.

by Ziller on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's true

I’m probably overgeneralizing (and I’d take Rubio over Flynn too)

Although in my defense it’s not so much the numbers (and what was it, 58% of people wanted Rubio out of the point guards), as much as the way the tone gets sometimes. Rubio seems just a little bit more untouchable and uncrticizable compared to the other guys, and I think in a collective hopefulness that he’ll turn out to be really good people tend to ignore the degree to which Rubio’s (probably) a project. I think a little more reality wouldn’t hurt at times.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold on! Moses is undersized and old as shit!

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 22, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

dude’s a legit 6’10" in shoes

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sandals?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus wear Air Jordan IV"s

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant Moses

Sorry.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

You are just about half as smart as you think you are. Your original argument was full of generalizations and was lacking in actual facts. And you got called on it.

Clean that shit up son, and you won’t have everyone bitching at you.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I'm half as smart as I think I am that means I'm still twice as smart as you!

Ba dump ching.

Seriously, what’s with you today? I’m just stating my opinion, although without insults and anger.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

So I will apologize for the tone. But implying that you are the smartest person in the room (and that everyone else is operating with half their brain behind their back) is a bit insulting as well.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which of course is ignoring the real point

That I’m the smartest person in the room.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Goes without saying

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until I arrive

douche bag

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're not smart cuz you're screwing a Spanish broad

You’re just a douche from the 209.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no no

I’m smart for plenty more reasons than that. The Spanish broad definitely helps though

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You win

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying to say I'm smarter

Nor do I believe I am. If I’m guilty of anything it’s of believing that people are letting their hopes get in the way of their objectivity when it comes to Rubio. Maybe you find that condescending, in which case, okay, guilty. But otherwise I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, thanks for protecting us I guess

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not why he's being a dick to you

He’s being a dick to you because you think you’re providing an insider perspective (that you’re not giving), and that you think (which you aren’t) you’re providing an accurate assessment of the way this place feels.

Hence, his reaction.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone thinks they're providing an accurate assessment of everything

People just disagree. They can just disagree, or they can be a dick.

I know you’re the smartest person on the board, but I don’t need this explained to me.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you’re the smartest person on the board

Once again, you’re wrong

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

My smarts hadn’t detected you being capable of it. God speed my son.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally we agree on something

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It did cheer me up a bit

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In defense of nbrans...

For the record, nbrans isn’t the only one around here who thinks that there is an irrational exuberance (by some) about Rubio. That’s not to say that he couldn’t be a great player, but some commenters here have bestowed a kind of messianic glow around him.

Look, I’ll be excited too if the Kings take him at #4. And I will be hopeful that he will realize all of the potential that the scouts believe he has. But I’m not going to get my hopes up unreasonably high, that’s all.

Also, how did this become an argument about one guy thinking he’s smarter than another? Just because somebody offers an argument on a subject, does that automatically mean that he thinks he’s superior to the person he’s talking to? No. Condescension and glib opinions seem to be the norm around here, so it’s no use pretending that none of us are guilty of it.

by corbin on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not whether he's smarter than me...or you...individually

It’s whether he’s smarter than EVERYONE here. You know, this group of small-town rubes that expect Rubio to single handedly get this team into the playoffs next year, solve California’s financial crisis, and block the moving trucks that will be taking the team to Anaheim, a la Tiananman Square.

I know I was expecting all of that when I placed Rubio at the top of my wish list.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I do have to give you major props for coming up with

‘he can flat out play". Can’t tell you how many articles/blogs/posts I stopped reading as soon as I came to that line or a variant.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 22, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And full disclosure

I would be happy with Rubio at the #4, not at all happy with trading up to the #2 to get him, and perfectly happy if we end up with Evans.

While I don’t see Rubio as the next Steve Nash or John Stockton (aka Moses), I’ve watched enough of his international competition (full games mind you) to know that he’s got more going for him than simply being able to make the correct pass at the correct time.

Plus, I do like the buzz Rubio would generate for this franchise – I think there are some benefits to the franchise from a business standpoint in drafting him. But I would hope it’s considered more as a tiebreaking issue than a primary factor.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My whole brain is behind my back

and it hurts when I’m driving.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's more of a Basketball Ezekiel, but that's just me

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Jun 22, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha!

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be a rookie

with many holes is his game, like all the others. I think the “vast majority” recognize and accept that. I would suggest that most of us are thinking about where we’ll be in two years, three years, and seeing Rubio in that light.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But is the leadership "thing" overblown when he's shown that he can lead NBA guys in big games?

Especially when one of those guys lauding his abilities just won an NBA championship?

The Spanish team had a lot of NBA talent on it. And they were all older than most of our team is

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true

he wasn’t the main leader. But he did lead them on the floor, and has been heavily praised by those guys for that ability.

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership

He’s known for his leadership because of the way he commanded the attention of older professionals in Spain. To think he won’t do the same here is kinda silly.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why is it silly?

NBA players are the best in the world, and they have egos to match. Why are they necessarily going to respond the same way to Rubio as some pros from Spain?

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the difference

As a 15 year old he was accepted by players almost double his age. Now he’s on a larger stage, but with a smaller gap. A 19-year-old leading a 22-year-old isn’t a big deal.

The NBA does have egos. Big egos. But how many of those are on the Kings roster? Kevin Martin is our biggest star, and he’s no egomaniac. Ditto for Shock and Hawes. Donté would probably prefer Flynn, but I don’t think it would be an issue.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think there's a difference between Spanish pros and NBA players?

Even if the Kings have good guys on the team, I’m sorry, they’re not just turning over the keys to Rubio.

by nbrans on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they would

Just as readily as they would for a Flynn, an Evans or a Holliday.

If there were elite level players on this team that needed coddling, I might agree with you.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Arguing about leadership capabilities based on Spain vs NCAA is useless. Either way, you’ve got a rookie coming into a league and trying to earn the respect of the rest of the team. In the NCAA you’ve got a bunch of kids leading kids. In Europe Rubio was a kid leading adults.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his game will either give his leadership credability.........or not

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 22, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other than talent nbrans

Some of which Spanish Players have enough to be lottery picks and 2nd round picks in their own right, they are professionals. Some of the players in the Spanish League have even been through the NBA rigamarole too.

Even players like Anthony Parker who washed out on the 1st go around in the NBA managed to make it to Europe and find a niche with a team (Toronto) for a little while. Stephen Jackson is another example as well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you are a wizard with the basketball like Ricky Rubio, a lot of the challenges he will face will be sumountable; craftiness with the basketball, finding cutters, orchestrating the break, he will be doing all this from Day One with a proficiency that will make Beno Udrih’s jaw drop. I am sure Westphal will limit his minutes proportionate to his play level to build his confidence, and ease his transition to the NBA. I am not worried about his shot either. As a past first PG, and the way we spread the floor, he is going to get his share of open looks. Any player who gets wide open looks will make a decent percentage. As far as defense, we can fall into zone to take advantage of Rubio’s ability to play the pass lanes.

by bench_blob on Jun 22, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio is more marketable and brings a foreign market

I think that argument outweighs any of the PR B.S. that ESPN and Draft Express are being fed. The money and viewers follow Rubio in my opinion more than Evans or Flynn.

by oldenpolynice on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A whole country

Or Upper New York.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Upper New York state is what I meant

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The size of Spain

is equal to upstate new york

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see.

I thought you were making a cultural reference.

by BrooklynFan on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was really meant as a population total

But, vfettke has a point. Although I’m sure Spain is quite a bit bigger in land area. (Which makes no nevermind.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I meant to say

that you were talking about the population

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he was

you wouldn’t get it anyway

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was

I wouldn’t get it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As rubio says

“if i make pass, he dunk”

that’s gonna make a ton of ppl happy.

Donte spotting up and hitting some threes….

Martin coming off a curl with the ball right there for him to knock it down…

this is just a pipe dream until thursday so i won’t be getting my hopes up

by KingsForLife on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Ford Mock 6.0

has the Kings taking …

  1. Evans
  2. Austin Daye
  3. Nick Calathes

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I might shoot myself if that happens

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.burjdubai.com/

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 22, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I could join whoever jumped last time

We could hold hands even. Yippee!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

the Daye pick is dumb … but I liked that he had Calathes dropping to #31.

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though I don't agree with all of your opinions

Spot on sir.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical?

Would you trade Kevin Martin for the #2 pick?

Or would you trade JT and #4 for the #2 pick?

Not sure I would trade up for the #2 pick but would take the 1st deal over the 2nd. At least I can get Evans with the #4 pick and I’m not left trying to find another PF.

Yes, Curry = Ray Allen and Flynn = CP3 were a bit over the top. One note about Thabeet, isn’t he now reporting a shoulder injury as an excuse for not working out?

by bignerd on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In order.

No- not in this draft Kevin Martin < Evans, Curry, Flynn etc. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t do it in another year if the quality of talent was greater- but its not.

No- not in this draft Thompson has the makings of a 10-12 year starter at the 4- I see Karl Malone but that’s just me.

Shoulder injury made Thabeet shrink a whopping 16 inches. He is now a 5’-11" shot blocker, ugh.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 22, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think u mean

Kevin>Evans curry flynn etc.

by cwebbisboss1 on Jun 22, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, my bad.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

If it was Evans Curry Flynn vs. Martin I’d take the former. Its simple math 3 > 1.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toughness...not leadership or language

I think the issue I read about (can’t remember where) was that the front office thought Rubio would contribute to an overall lack of toughness on the team, which I think is a valid concern. We aren’t a tough squad, and I don’t think Ricky is a particularly physical player. In that case, Evans is going to bring something more to the table. Is it enough to overlook the other things Rubio gives you? That’s the million dollar question, but I do think it is a valid concern.

Also, I personally don’t think all of the interest in these other players is a coincidence. It only stregthens our position.

Lastly, if Rubio is there, and Minny really is offering their pick and Kevin Love, we would be crazy not to take Tyreke and Love for Rubio.

by R-Man on Jun 22, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we get Tyreke at 6 if that's the case

but I’d still do it for Flynn and Love

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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wiz could take Curry or Jordan Hill.

Stranger things have happened.

From what I’ve been told, they like Curry. Also, this is the pick most likely to be traded, so it could go a number of different ways.

Bottom line, like you said, is Evans or Flynn will have to be there.

by R-Man on Jun 22, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What people won't do for Love?

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand why it’s become a prevailing notion that Rubio isn’t tough. Is it just because he doesn’t look strong.. From what I can tell, he plays a tough brand of basketball. He doesn’t shy away from contact when he drives since he gets to the line a lot and he really gets after it on defense. I don’t think physical toughness from a point guard is really all that important in the grand scheme of things anyway. Physical toughness from a power forward or center I think is paramount but not so much from a point. I think it’s important points be mentally tough and as far as I can tell, he seems alright in that department.

by Galeto on Jun 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

leadership

you either have the talent of you don’t, if you can’t play its hard to be a leader.

The Lakers drafted some 18 year old kid a few years ago, so guy called Kobe Bryant what happened to him.

You don’t get to play professional sports without a degree of toughness

I think you pick the best player for your team, I think any notions of marketing needs is just BS, if you win you will get fans, if you play an interesting style that helps, look at the Warriors, in short the game is the thing

by Murf on Jun 22, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lakers never drafted Kobe Bryant

Charlotte did. And if by a few years ago you mean 13?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kobe

Wasn’t it a draft day trade for Vlade?, West wanted Kobe for the Lakers

by Murf on Jun 22, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct, and Kobe led an anti-Charlotte campaign leading up to the draft.

by bignerd on Jun 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for the wet pussy (cat)

Kitty pushin the watermelon.. Cat’s don’t even LIKE melon !!

I think the Kings like Rubio, but are playing VERY coy. It’s a cat and mouse game and as usual, I have a feeling that Petrie is gonna come out of this smelling like a rose. Besides, whomever the Kings DO select will be “The Guy we were after all along!!!” Right? So whomever it is (God let it please be a point guard to replace BEANO, HE STINKS!) We will hail him the greatest draft pick since…..well since… well anyway, he’ll be great! Don’t believe me, go to the Kings Love fest known as the draft party, I hear there are still some free tickets…

What is more important and should be of the utmost concern is HOW MUCH can the MaGoofs fork over for free agents? If they are tight fisted, we end up in the lottery again (which might not be so bad, considering next years prospects might be better and the Ping Pong balls might fall our way…yea right)! We must be on Stern’s shit list…

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Jun 22, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rubio

isnt the right fit for the kings………..i think brandon jennings is and he will bring the swagger to the kings locker room

by DocHolliday06 on Jun 23, 2009 3:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Jennings won't be a King.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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