A Word on Undocumented One-on-None Workouts
by Tom Ziller on Jun 22, 2009 9:05 PM PDT
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PrintA few things have become apparent in the wake of Ricky Rubio's solo workout with the Kings this afternoon.
1. No media viewed the workout.
2. The Kings will not be releasing video they shot.
I attended only one pre-draft workout this season, though the Kings were gracious enough to invite me to all of them. I went to the first Tyreke Evans workout. The team opened the curtain for the final 15 minutes or so. We saw Evans post up on Shareef Abdur-Rahim, shoot some free throws and run some coast-to-coast plays.
It was the opposite of enlightening. Even though Evans is seen as an isolation player, the one-on-one audition is so far removed from the exercise of actual basketball, I couldn't make anything of it. Yes, he has two hands, two legs and a torso. Also, a nice goatee. But no one watching that workout -- the 15 minutes we saw, at least -- could declare Evans this percentage better than Stephen Curry, or that amount worse than James Harden. The Kings have their system -- they document the shooting from various places on the floor, they judge the efficacy of a player's move and skills. But in the solo workout, so much is lost.
That's why Sacramento brought Evans back for a second workout! Even though they went 3-on-3 in the Sunday pointguardpalooza, they decided they needed something more approximating real basketball to make a decision on Evans and Jonny Flynn (and others). And lo! Evans is reportedly back on top of the heap at No. 4.
Evans in a solo workout: disappointing. Evans in a reasonable basketball facsimile: great.
Rubio did a solo workout. The Kings official blog reported he did a one-hour set of drills, followed by the standard athletic testing other prospects (excluding Hasheem Thabeet) completed in Chicago. There has been only report leaked out from the session so far, to ESPN.com's Chad Ford:
Several sources surrounding the Kings said Rubio didn't blow anyone away.
Who could possibly leak this out, considering there was no media involved? Why, the same people apparently discrediting Rubio in gossip columns: Kings scouts. In fact, Ford touches on this issue.
Given the fact that the Kings are so dreadful at the moment, wouldn't they choose the best player for the long-term health of the franchise? It depends. Most of the Kings' front office staff is in the last year of their contract. Do they want to stick their necks out for Rubio when they could take a safer pick like Evans or Flynn?
Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress had a similar note this morning:
Something important to keep in mind is that long-time Kings General Manager Geoff Petrie has just one year left on his contract, and that ownership is putting a great deal of pressure on him to ensure that they don’t go through as painful a season as they just did in 08-09, winning just 17 games. With that in mind, they may opt to just put a Band-Aid on the problem and draft a more ready player, such as Tyreke Evans or Jonny Flynn ... and hope that things magically get better next season.
Of course, this could be the other side -- the side that wants Rubio in Sacramento -- spinning Givony and Ford. The timing, though, is weird. And it's obviously clear Ford is talking to someone in Sacramento Kings basketball operations -- he paraphrased a Kings scout over the weekend, and has the first published report with internal reaction to Rubio's workout. (Would Dan Fegan admit to Ford the workout sucked knowing how limited the pool of reports that will come from Sacramento will be?)
So that's what we have going into Tuesday: Rubio worked out solo, which means little. Someone is spinning it to Chad Ford (and maybe eventually others, like Amick and Givony) that it means Ricky doesn't belong in Sacramento. Someone in the Kings scouting department has been arguing that point for a week. Someone in the Kings scouting department potentially feels the need to avoid Rubio to save their job (the most backwards thinking in recent memory).
It's your choice to decide whether to believe the talk. Only you can fight forest fires.
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Give me a minute to figure this out...I just need to think...the answer is right there...
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by section214 on Jun 22, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
We’ll know everything we need to know in 72 hours, and some of will be shocked, disappointed, elated, and in my case, all three with a hint of “slightly aroused.” That’s just how I roll, suckaz.
Obsessing about it isn’t helping me, and I’m going to limit my surfing over here to 60 times a day from here on out.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 22, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Spin spin spin
Sure, it’s the last year on Petrie’s contract. But, the Maloofs have stated that its Petrie’s show to run and they’d prefer he have no contract, just a job he can leave whenever he likes. I think all of the FO folks can quell any fears about going 17-65 again. With the same team as last year, minus the couple malcontents we had, plus a coach who is obviously a huge upgrade over Kenny Natt and definitely better than Theus, aren’t we destined to at least improve our win record. Why wouldn’t the Maloofs want to take a gamble on Rubio? Worst case scenario is that he becomes Beno Jr. for awhile while he learns and develops and gets over a period of time.
www.mancancook.net
Adding to that
The Maloofs out of all people in the Kings organization would benefit from picking Rubio because of all the buzz, merchandise sales, and hopefully better attendance he would bring. If the “scouts, and front office people” want to just save their jobs wouldn’t they go with the option that would make the owners happy.
so when did a Spanish player......
ever create a buzz or help sell more merchandise???? Yea, those LA Laker jerseys of Pau Gasol are just flying off the stands….
No way!
Rudy Fernandez? No way! Not possible!
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think he is more a Sean Cassidy Dreamboat
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
It's already been said...
but the only thing that will really help the Maloofs is Petrie drafting the BPA, and that player being good enough to help the team win quite a few more games (at least in the next couple of years).
Drafting Rubio for ‘buzz’ would be EXTREMELY short-sighted (but hey, they did flirt with Phil Jackson, so maybe that still isn’t out of the realm of possibilities). If he’s a project and needs 3-4 years to develop (high likely), and the team proceeds to win 25-30 games each of those seasons, the fans will sour on him just like they soured on J-Will.
Thanks for being the first one, I've been waiting for you
I was going to add a disclaimer to my comment but thought I would just leave it out and wait for someone to say something like
Drafting Rubio for ‘buzz’ would be EXTREMELY short-sighted
For that I thank you. Let me make it clear so you know where I’m at
Drafting Rubio for buzz is not short-sighted, it’s extremely STUPID!!! (I didn’t want to say retarded cuz I don’t wanna offend handicap people) I’m in now way suggesting Petrie should draft Rubio because of the ‘buzz’ he would bring, he should draft him because he is the best fit for the Kings and the best player there and ONLY after that should they consider the fact that he will bring a huge buzz to this team If Rubio is seen as equal to other prospects, he should win out because of all those other factors (ONLY if they see him EQUAL to the others).
I mentioned the Maloofs because this is their business and if Petrie picks Rubio because he is the player he wants, the other stuff will help the team financially. The Maloofs probably want Petrie to want Rubio because it makes sense in all levels.
I’m pretty sure you agree with that cabz. With the team being so bad and the Maloofs struggling financially, a succesful better-than-advertised Ricky Rubio would be a home run pick.
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 22, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
way to go
now Stupid people are offended!
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
by ForThree on Jun 23, 2009 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I’m ok with it.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Because you're not stupid
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Fair enough...
the ability to market Rubio is a legitimate tie-breaker. That said, has Petrie ever needed a tie-breaker? It seems that he always falls totally and completely head-over-heels for someone.
Thank you
for the reminder Smokey The Bear.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 22, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
Or take the proven guy
Who played four years in college like Tyler Hansborough when Blake Griffin doesn’t fall to the Kings.
BOOK IT!
I agree ...we should read everything
and ignore everything…We know one thing …that the Kings never leak information. When have we ever heard of a potential trade when the info didn’t come from the other side? Never, so why now? We can assume that the room had GP JR coaching staff and scouts, maybe the Kings PR guy and assorted Maloofs. Who of that group would risk their job leaking info? I would assume GP could figure out from such a small group who it was…..so basically, this is the long version summary of what everyone else is saying,..they are blowing smoke and everyone, including local news and radio is buying into it. So taking the advice of our StR plagerizing (sp) philosopher I have decided not to worry and be happy…either that or I’m sneaking into Arco tongiht looking for notes.
by ElRonToro on Jun 22, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
My thoughts exactly ElRon-
Its a small room and it would take a Sac State grad 5 minutes to figure out who done sprung a leak. This is all part of the game and interestingly enough we are privy to a lot more of the scoop than usual. As long time fans we understand the status quo of the Petrie regime much better than some of these ESPN dudes so this shit being spewed is way over the top..
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
Is it okay with you
that I read all of your comments while imagining you doing Randy Jackson hand gestures?
It really enhances whatever point you’re trying to make.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You know you're my dawg yo.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
it'll come down to rubio or holiday.
why would you openly diss a young player? you would only diss a young player if you have something to gain. kings are openly dissing rubio because they like him. it’s a bluff.
think about this a bit further. the kings like to think of themselves as a classy, family first, cutting edge organization. if the kings were openly dissing rubio for no reason, the kings image would be damaged—unnecessarily and for absolutely no gain.
if petrie really wanted to kill the rumors, he could. it’s easy. put in a gag order. if anything leaks, state that the kings will investigate it and then fire the leaker. the leaks would stop in a heart beat.
the kings are playing a game right now. enjoy it. :)
Agree with ya
Yea, I think the Kings are trying to play “Who is going to trade up for the #4 pick?” game.
Can’t really blame them for playing games? Players are playing games with Memphis while Memphis is playing a similar ’trading" game. OKC is actually been playing the silent game from what I have been hearing. So play on, Mr. Petrie, play on!
No offense
But I’m pretty sure Holiday is out of the running by this point. Unless the Kings trade down, which I really don’t think will happen (unless some other team is unexpectedly dying for Thabeet/Harden/Evans).
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Kings might trade down but not for Holiday.
I can see a swap going down with NY if Rubio isn’t available and the Kings taking Flynn. I don’t see Flynn as a top 4 guy and I think a few teams might tempt the Kings with a healthy big to move up.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
Who does NY want so bad in that scenario?
Curry? Who takes Curry before them, Minny? Do they want him bad enough to give us something worthwhile?
I’m totally down to trade away our pick if Rubio is off the board. I was thinking that if Thabeet is still around at #4 maybe someone wants him bad enough to give us a good price for our pick, otherwise I don’t really see us trading down.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If Rubio is off the board I would consider trading down.
If he’s there at #4 the kings better draft him.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
regarding the holiday comment.
the kings would trade down to get holiday. it’s all about value.
i’m obviously pro holiday, but the reason why i think rubio or holiday is the choice is because rubio has been openly dissed and holiday has been openly dismissed. there’s no need for any of it unless there is something to gain from it. time will tell.
by kingsbruins02 on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand your reasoning but...
Holiday isn’t just being dissed by the Kings brass, he hasn’t done particularly well against the other top tiered point guards in the roving pointapalooza that has taken the NBA by storm. Holiday is a nice player, I just don’t think he is a point guard yet and I believe that Westbrook has raised the value of both Holiday and Evans (combo or two guards IMO) in this years draft. I think this is a draft trend that will be short lived, even Westbrook isn’t a sure thing to remain at the point. Last year it was Westbrook and Bayless- this year its Holiday and Evans.
Really I’m confused by this insistence by players that they are something they are not. Holiday would be better served either staying in school and becoming a defined point, leading UCLA next year or calling himself a two with a flawed shot that needs a little seasoning at the next level. I don’t think you can just walk into the NBA and become a point guard when you haven’t really been one before at a high level of competition.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
by jjham15 on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately
I have no inside sources on the organization. So, in a way, I have no idea what to make of this. All I know, among other things, is that the reaction to everything Rubio officially has not been positive.
Okay, and, what does this mean? I still have no idea.
What I do know is that it’s a perfect rope a dope for the Kings in case the Grizz or Thunder can’t figure out how much the Kings love Rubio. That’s clearly what this smokescreen is about. If the Kings remotely let it slip they like anything about the kid, then (guess what?), they’ve lost this game of chicken.
What does it mean? Potentially everything and nothing. It means something, but what, none of us know.
All I know is that the Kings won’t let OKC or Memphis (more likely OKC at this point) play them for their Rubio love. It’s high stakes chicken, and when you have 2 players you like (one of them Jonny Flynn), knowing damn well OKC and Memphis won’t take him, that gives you an advantage.
Hell even if you make the world believe you love Tyreke Evans, which I don’t believe personally despite what is being said, than, at the end of the day, it’s still hyperbole.
If you’re wondering why I wrote all of that out? To point out that that’s the difference between me & 214.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
that’s the difference between me & 214.
You mean humor and likability?
Kidding. Good points all around. One thing we have to consider: say Memphis or OKC takes Rubio and we end up taking Flynn. We will never know whether or not the Kings really did want Rubio, because Petrie will never show his hand. This is one of those times where I’m glad we have someone like Petrie doing this for us.
www.mancancook.net
Yep
It also means that OKC or Memphis got a deal they really like to trade down.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We may never know if Petrie really wanted Rubio
But I’m pretty sure Joe and Gavin will be wearing sombreros on Thursday.
Even though sombreros are Mexican and not Spanish. That makes it even funnier.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL SN
Just yet another funny rendition of what’s been wrong about this whole process.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is what you get when I mix StR with straight Jack Daniels
Some laughter mixed in with a great deal of shame.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I ain't no better
I had a pitcher of Mac & Jack’s (NW micro brew) along with my pizza for dinner. I’m drinking Dos Equis for an encore. Viva drunkiness!
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Si Senor
Salud!
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Stay thirst my friend.
Damn I got beaten badly on that one.
by mayfieldcol on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You must be a NW child
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No, but..
My brother has lived in Seattle for a number of years and I make sure to drink some every time I’m up there. He made a batch of homebrew one time that tasted almost identical to Mac&Jack’s.. Friggin good.
Yeah it is damn good
I was going to say you spend some time up here to recognize the tap, cuz it’s not like you can find it even in Portland.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Taco night at the Arco!
Free salsa coupons for every win. Margarita backpacks for the vendors. Ricky Rubio marionette night. I’m in for Spain a la Maloof!
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
Me thinks
Chad Ford went to his usual Kings’ “inside source” for this one…
Ford: Okay, time to do some digging… latex glove, check. Vaseline, check. Here we go…
::Zzziipp::
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions
Bottom line:
1) The Kings will not trade up for Rubio.
2) If Rubio is available at #4, he will be selected by the Kings.
3) If Rubio is gone at that point, that’s when it gets interesting.
4) I need some draft odds for 2010 and John Wall. No, I’m not done with that.
I don’t have a fifth, but if I did, I’d pour some on the ground for the brothers that won’t be here…
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 22, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree with points 1-3
I don’t really care about John Wall yet (ask me again in, say, December). And I’d pour some in my mouth.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We band of brothers must stick together
Even if “we” would prefer Rubio to Wall.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Jerry Reynolds
and he’ll also be the second, and third, and fourth…
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of misdirection
Ziller posts a links to Chad Ford’s ESPN insider page and ESPN fails to redirect back to the login page.
Maybe I'm just a romantic
but by this point it kind of feels like Rubio and the Kings are destined for each other, and any other outcome on Thursday will feel like a disappointment. Even if I were convinced that Evans or Flynn will be the better player, which I’m not.
Plus I picked Rubio in the StR Draft Contest, so there would be that disappointment too.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions
I agree, it seems like destiny
But that’s why I KNOW it won’t happen. When in the history of our franchise, has something unexpectedly great, and seemingly destined to happen, actually happened? It hasn’t, period.
F*ck me in the goat @ss. Just dont give us Thabeet
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
why the F*ck couldnt we have the 4th pick last year? OJ mayo, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, etc etc etc. YUM
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
by Scott Coleman on Jun 22, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
you have a goat’s @ss? Are you some kind of mutant pygmy centaur?
I totally agree with you man, nothing unexpectedly great and destined to happen has ever happened while I’ve been old enough to pay attention to the Kings. The fact that we have the 4th pick in this draft still makes me sick
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Jun 22, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
When in the history of our franchise, has something unexpectedly great, and seemingly destined to happen, actually happened?
…In our darkest hour, my friend. When an empty Arco Arena echos with our yawns… when the vultures from San Jose and Anaheim circle overhead… when the ping pong balls fall in a perfect, poetic, C-Webb tragedy… that is when our greatness finds us. To rise from the ashes and sprint from the brink… that is our destiny.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I am just a romantic.
and a drunk.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
THATS IT! IM DONE!
No more checking up on the draft. No more endless searches on google for rumors. No more using the trade machine to work deals. Im done.
See you thursday!
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
my opinion
though this has already been stated a few times…
- GP usually NEVER leaks this amount of information (not only their opinions on the workouts but opening up clips of workouts to the public and mainstream media)
- there has been a TREMENDOUS amount of misdirection about who we’re taking, even if we assume that they actually do not really like Rubio
- we gain a large deal of leverage over Memphis and OKC if we do not exhibit interest in Rubio. Each team really likes a couple of guys and it is no guarantee that they will have a guy on their list at the trade down spot if they go to #6 or lower. Therefore their safest best bet is getting the Kings to move up a couple of spots and get a guy they would have taken at #2 anyways, plus a pick and/or an expiring.
- Rubio is typically Petrie’s type of guy. Amazing passer, fundamentally sound, not extremely athletic (which Petrie often has overlooked in the past), very high hoops IQ. I think we tend to forget this. Rubio is almost like what Petrie would make if he could craft a point guard from scratch.
- Concerning Jonny Flynn – since when has Petrie been sold on leadership as a determining factor for a draft pick? (See Williams, Jason…leadership ain’t exactly getting kicked off your college team for smoking the reefer). And also, since Flynn by all accounts got severely outplayed in his workout by Jennings, why would our interest in him go up higher once we saw him? Intangible factors and the like. Fantastic intangibles, sound like someone else we know?
Bottom line, if Rubio’s there at four, no way we don’t take him. If he’s not, who knows. I have no idea at all. I think it’s a three dog race between Flynn/Evans/Curry if we’re looking for either a pure PG, the best player available, or the biggest upside, respectively. (Yes, I think Curry has the biggest upside…if he learns how to play point guard at the NBA level, he will be unlike just about every other point guard in NBA history in that he would be an elite scorer along with being a good distributor and all. It’s iffy, but I think he can pull it off.)
until proven otherwise
stick with iffy
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
The only question now
is how far down the draft board Rubio will fall. Don’t think he will go top 4 in any case, but we’ll know soon enough.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 23, 2009 5:05 AM PDT reply actions
I think the Kings will draft Evans
if he’s still on the board at 4.
I think the only way they take Rubio is if Memphis takes Evans and the draft goes Griffin, Evans, Thabeet.
Has Harden worked out for the Kings?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jun 23, 2009 5:11 AM PDT reply actions
What would you place the odds of the Kings taking James Harden?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd be shocked
There hasn’t been any mention of him since his workout.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
new pg
i heard kings getting a new pg name kevin kiley.his number is #1
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