Hollinger on Rubio
"OK, it's time to shine a harsher light here. There's one thing working hugely against Rubio's status as an A-list prospect that nobody seems to want to mention, so let me put it out there: There's very little evidence he can score at anything approaching an acceptable rate for an NBA point guard.
We have very little recent Euroleague data to work with from Rubio -- just a 66-minute sample from this year and a larger sample from two years earlier -- but both sets translate to scoring about five points per 40 minutes and shooting in the low 30s. Ugh. Rubio shot better in the Spanish ACB league this season, including 25-of-62 on 3-pointers, but he also shot only 39 percent on 2s against a lower level of competition.
Same goes for his alleged breakout in the Olympics -- as heralded as he was for his play, he made nine baskets in eight games and shot 28.1 percent for the tournament. And while one of those games was against a team full of U.S. All-Stars, he wasn't bedazzling the Germans or Angolans either. Obviously he's a Jason Kidd-like rarity in that he can have a heavy impact on the game without scoring, but if his shooting numbers don't improve, he'll make Kidd look like Rick Barry."
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Small sample?
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
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by jjham15 on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said?
Dammit….
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Jun 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no too mention the sample is from the time he was 16 years old. Does he keep highschool shooting percentages of US players? Not saying it isn’t important, but should be taken with a grain of salt
by TTown Kings on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True but,
usually that argument is for a kid who scores really well in high school/college but scouts say it won’t translate to the NBA. If he can’t score against lesser competition, albeit at a very young age, it is definitely a concern here.
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are Holliger's pieces....
….ALWAYS so empty?
by Smills91 on Jun 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff to think about
Not necessarily a master discovery but definitely something to keep in mind. Personally, I knew Rubio is not coming in as a scorer but more of a distributor, a PG that will make his teammates better.
The thing about Rubio is that the way he scores is through his teammates, by facilitating easy points for everyone else. Is it crazy to think that he could bump JT’s , Hawes’, and Kevin’s scoring average by a modest 4pts each? If he were to average 10pts a game while dishing 8-10 assists and helping his teammates scoring averages go up, I would be a happy man.
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
10 PPG could be a stretch
is kind of the crux of Hollinger’s article. He mentions Rubio Euro stats translate to him averaging 5 points/40 minutes and shooting in the low 30% range. That would be a major liability to have on the floor. Now, he certainly could improve this with time. He is only 18, but it’s still worth examining as a red flag.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the danger is
Sergio Rodriguez territory. Everyone knows Spanish Chocolate can pass, he can’t stay on the floor because he can’t shoot over 40%.
Again, I know Rubio is a better passer than Rodriguez, but 40% is like basketball’s Mendoza line. If Rubio is shooting 30% it doesn’t matter how good his passes are.
by nbrans on Jun 23, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
One thing NBA coaches (except for Kings coaches) can do is expose the flaws of a one-dimensional player. Hell, you’d just play off him all game and dare him to shoot.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the statistics are like for his wide open shooting
because apparently some of our scouts were impressed with his shooting yesterday, which I’m pretty sure was all uncontested. That might be a way to improve his shooting as well. If coaches start leaving him open and he starts hitting shots and building confidence it might helps his contested shooting
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - and if he is an elite passing point guard
Then he just needs to be able to shoot enough to keep defenses honest.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know...
if they’re playing a fast Princeton style of offense that might make up for his poor shooting. The key to the Princeton is that it makes up for certain players’ weaknesses with a lot of passing and movement that leads to uncontested shots. If Rubio is like Jason Kidd in the sense that he’s not a great scorer but will shoot well when given open shots it could be less of a problem.
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shooting is extremely important in the Princeton
It’s one reason it functioned a lot better with Bibby than Jason Williams.
Rubio’s game probably necessitates a wide-open Nash/Kidd style where Rubio freelances and tries to set people up himself. I don’t think Rubio’s game lends itself particularly well to the Princeton — if anything it’s an offense that takes the ball out of the point guard’s hands.
by nbrans on Jun 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Coachie
would be able to modify the O around RR.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is how its always been with the Kings
Carril modifies it to fit the team. What I was talking about was more or less the idea of that offense as it pertains to covering for the weakness of its players. It could be tailored to where Rubio gets more wide open shots.
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
That the style you’re describing would fit the Kings current personnel much better than a pure Princeton. I know a lot of people around here are obsessed with the idea of going back to it, but I’d love to see Rubio, Speed, JT, and even Spencer running the floor instead of trying to wrap their heads around the Princeton.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, actually
Both JT and Hawes would be effective out of the high post, and Martin is best working off the ball and cutting to the basket. Fastbreaking and the Princeton aren’t mutually exclusive, as the late ’90s Kings teams showed. It would be great to see them on the break more, but half court the personnel is very well suited to a more structured style since no one is particularly good one-on-one.
by nbrans on Jun 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shooting is very different in a open gym, than even being open in a game
I went to UCLA a few years back and I remember watching some scrubs at the end of our bench who couldn’t hit an open shot to save their lives draining jumper after jumper just shooting around in the Wooden Center. He’s young though, so hopefully he has time to improve his jumper.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought is
that his shooting is bad because of very bad mechanics. And the very bad mechanics are because taking a shot is always a late afterthought. It should improve if the coaching helps him make his decision to shoot earlier.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have bad mechanics, but I doubt many of us have seen enough of Rubio to say that for sure. If his shooting is subpar I figure it’s because of he’s all of 18 years old. I know he’s played professionally for years, but 18 is 18.
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by Juan Primo on Jun 23, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Rubio’s offensively competent enough that he has to be actively guarded from everywhere, I’ll be fine with it. He’ll become better offensively over time, and nobody’s drafting him for his jumper.
by jeremy548 on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am worried about his shooting
I hope its something he’ll be able to improve, but it does worry me. I’d till take the chance
One thing I’ve noticed in his highlights (once again, a small sample size) is that a lot of the times he drives to the hoop he’d probably have a nice layup, but he passes instead. This might be his PG instincts, but it might a lack of confidence as well.
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody make sure
Presti and Wallace read this.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
brandon jennings will be the best point guard in this draft...
If Rubio is on the board, the Kings should deal with the Knicks and pickup a player while snatching Jennings at 8…
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by TrojanCBB on Jun 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
might be right
there was a story on CNN/SI yesterday quoting the starting point guard for Jenning’s Italian team in which he says he thinks Jennings will be a better pro than RR (whom he knows well).
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 23, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better trade for #4 for Rubio...
I use to think that trading with the Knicks at #8 and getting another player was a great deal for the Kings. Since the Knicks don’t have anyone worth taking back and no 1st round pick in 2010, I am having serious second thoughts.
However, I read something about Minnesota is looking to move up from #6 to get Rubio. I also have heard that Minnesota is offering Mike Miller to the Clips for one of their big men. So how does this sound
Kings trade #4 (Rubio) to Minnesota for #6 (Evans/Flynn) + Mike Miller?
The only thing that scares me a little bit about this one is because of all the trade talk going on with Washington’s #5 pick who knows which players will be taking but I am betting on that it will be PF Hill.
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting, but..
What are we gonna do with one more SF?
by misterbrister on Jun 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shooting
It is a problem that rubio can not shoot well, BUT that is a teachable skill. You can’t teach his basketball IQ and the vision he has.
He may not score much, but if he improves the scoring of others, won’t that counteract the lack of scoring for Rubio? Remember, Doug Christie averaged about 12 points a game when he was in Sacramento but he played defense so well that it didn’t matter that he scored so few points. Sometimes, a player is brought on a team for a specific role, and Rubio’s role could be the distributor. Beno Udrih also averaged 11 points this season, couldn’t Rubio make 10 points per game? I don’t think Rubios lack of scoring will hurt our team that much. We are trying to replace Beno Udrih, not Chris Paul.
My real question is, how is his defense? Defense was one of the biggest problems for this team, not offense.
by eaglezuke on Jun 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Expect him
to get scored on at will by opposing PGs for his first two seasons. But during that stage, he will get some deflections and IDEALLY communicate with this teammates on where to be on the defensive end.
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by Shizzo on Jun 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah being defensive player of the year in the Spanish league is equivalent
to being an utter sieve on the defensive end. No matter how unathletic he is, he will do a better job defending than Beno.
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by moproblemz on Jun 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doug Christie...
They only reason Christie was brought onto the Kings was to play defense because most teams in the West had All Star SGs like Bryant in LA and Allen in Seattle….
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Sacramento acquired Doug Christie
Ray Allen was a Buck.
by Ziller on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I bet they hate it when facts get in the way of revisionist history.)
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit! A Buck?
We should have bought him then.
by ElRonToro on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for being Section-esque
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the offense is a problem as well
And Rubio is alleged to have some defensive skills. How that will translate to the NBA is anyone’s guess.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
The defensive intensity from Rubio will never be in question though; it’s just what he does on defense that everyone may question. I think it’ll also depend on the defensive philosophy of our 09-10 Kings team; some of the things he does on defense (like doubling) in the ACB leaves him out of position, and may be exposed on the next level if his quickness isn’t good enough to recover on D, and can result in the breakdown of the entire team defense (like we haven’t seen that before with our current team). That may end up being a no-no with the current coaching staff and their philosophy; however, what he does can be corrected.
by kingsfan300 on Jun 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't a matter of
how many points he scores. It’s a matter of how much of a threat he is to score. It is critical to force the defense to respect the primary ballhandler as a threat.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee
A stathead like Hollinger thinks Rubio’s shooting #‘s are poor. Therefore, he thinks Rubio’s positives are easily outweighed by his negatives.
All Hollinger is doing is pointing this out to people who didn’t know it. (Those of who who did know, and still like Rubio, like the kid for a reason. We’re aware of his issue’s. And, not his contract really.)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I can live w/ his poor shooting
If he can get Hawes, JT & Martin a combined 30+ extra points per game.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WOAH NOW!
Adding 10 pts on each of their averages is some miracle work. That won’t be happening
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on Jun 23, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it COULD.
Just given player growth, I’m willing to bet (a gentlemen’s wager) that JT and Hawes average close to 5 more points a game this season. RR could make up the other 5 w some sweet dishes.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would be no way of knowing whether JT and Hawes’ increase in scoring would be attributable to Rubio rather than just getting better themselves/having a better coach/etc. I think JT would add 4 points to his scoring average even if Beno was his PG. However, like you, I could definitely live with Rubio’s supposedly poor shooting.
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by Juan Primo on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you attribute an increase in Hawes and Thompsons rebound numbers...
to Rubio’s poor shooting number? ; ) Rubio- the big man stat stuffer!
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by jjham15 on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So to do that he’s going to need to average what, 18 assists a game?
by Kevin Conroy on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio's great passing and crappy shooting reminds me of.....
Jason Williams…and we all know how well that worked out for the Kings!
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But add some maturity
to JWill, and maybe things would have been better
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on Jun 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think JWill worked out just fine
His presence energized the fanbase a bit, and he brought Bibby back in a trade. Works for me.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will give ya the trade part of the deal...
And why is that? Oh, yea. Bibby could actually shoot the ball from outside….
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maturity at age 18???
At least JWill was old enough to have a drink after the game
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In case anyone's interested
Rubio’s per 40 numbers in the Olympics:
10.2 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 6.5 apg, 4.6 spg
Not too shabby for an 18 year old playing on the biggest stage in international competition.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking at his "passing" stats in the Olympics
For the 8 games in the Olympics:
Rubio: 24 assists and 16 turnovers for a 1.5 assist to turnover ratio. Pretty average for a NBA PG
Derron Williams: 22 assists and 12 turnovers for a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio. A little better…
Chris Paul: 33 assists and 9 turnovers for a 3.2 assist to turnover ratio. Now, that is a PG who is making everyone else on the team better!!!!
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Chris Paul was born in 1985, Rubio in 1990. The hope would be that if we draft Rubio now, he’ll improve in the next five years. It doesn’t tell you anything that Rubio’s number is basically as good as Deron Williams’s (and better than Kidd’s, for the record)?
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm...
Chris Paul, 3 year NBA Pro
Rubio, 2 year European Pro
Yea, the hope would be that whomever is drafted would improve. But can we really wait 5 years for it? Especially since they are not signing 5 year contracts? Seems college players are adjusting faster to the NBA than it took the Divacs, Pejas and Turkoglus. We need someone within the next couple of years, not when they have signed with another team once their rookie contract is up…
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't wait five years
for Ricky Rubio to be the best point guard in the world (Chris Paul), then you’re probably going to be sorely disappointed by whatever player we draft. And unless you are expecting Ricky to go in the second round, a five-year contract is exactly what he’ll get.
Take some time before you write out a response to this. Maybe sleep on it.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
There are very few guys in this draft that won’t take a considerable amount of time to reach their potential.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also strange
That Rubio’s wrist injury wasn’t mentioned here.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Caveats
The 5 points/40 minutes figure is, again, based off Euroleague minutes at age 16 and 66 minutes at age 18 coming off a broken wrist. You can ignore the 5 points/40 minutes figure.
In the ACB this season, Rubio scored a pace adjusted 17.1 points/40. Basically the same as Flynn, behind Evans by almost four points, ahead of Holiday by 4.5 points.
As for shooting — yeah, it’s brutal from two. (And I don’t mean brutale.) But even given those bad shooting numbers, Rubio had a 57% True Shooting in the ACB last season, thanks to elite foul-drawing and good (but infrequent) three-point shooting. Rubio’s TS% was even with Flynn, and better than Evans, Holiday and Mills, and TONS better than that of Jennings.
We all know Rubio’s strength is not in his ability to score like Chris Paul or Deron Williams. But the case is overstated by Hollinger here. His two-point FG% might be rough in the NBA, but he should be able to draw fouls and score at league-average efficiency within a couple years.
by Ziller on Jun 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Solid info TZ
Thanks for the counterpoint.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that people didn't know what TZ was saying
Shows why they’re so shocked by what Hollinger is saying.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
But the case is overstated by Hollinger here
isn’t everything at ESPN overstated?
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by what_the_crap on Jun 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
When I think of Chris Paul, I don’t usually think about his scoring. I am usually thinking about all the steals he gets on the defensive end of the court. Next, I think of how he dribble penetrates on the offensive and throws up lobs for Tyson Chandler for monster dunks.
That is what truly concerns me with Rubio. Can he break down a NBA CALIBER defender, get into the lane and make the correct pass to the open teammate??? Or are we going to be watching the Kings offense be nothing but pick-n-rolls all game long?
I believe the Kings need a PG with alot of energy, pentrating and breaking down opposing defenses before making the pass to the open man (AKA a young Bobby Jackson).
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was his league's Defensive Player of the Year.
And he has stated he likes to play defense, because it lets him run a break.
His basketball IQ and court vision are unquestioned. He has a good wingspan.
Pretty sure his defense isn’t going to be a problem
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His personal man to man
defesne will be a problem. However, he will get into the passing lanes and run out a couple times per game. Does anyone else miss the fast break?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
There’s no such thing as good perimeter defense in the NBA without good interior defense. It’s just like trying to guard a wide receiver in the NFL: an incredibly talented defensive back can do it for a limited amount of time one-on-one, but ultimately it’s all in the pass rush.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defesne is Frenchland for defense.
I don’t know how to say it in Spanishland.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its "OLAY"
just like waving the cape in front of the bull in a bullfight
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not encouraging
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what you say to a Frit
Matador is the term you seek Fred.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... isn't Hollinger a huge advocate of True Shooting %?
You think he would’ve figured all of this out by hims… oooooh, Petrie you sneaky bastard. Even got Hollinger blowing smokescreens now, huh? Bravo, my man, bravo!
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by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone REALLY see...
…us passing on Rubio if he is on the board when it comes time for the Kings to make their pick?
I just dont see it.
I think its about gettin the fannies back in the arena and the Maloofs want a “Star” now.
Hopefully for the sanity of the region he isnt there at 4 and we select Tyreke, OR, (ducks for cover), we trade K-Mart to OKC for their pick and get Rubio @ point and Tyreke or Harden at 2 guard!
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by Dirkula on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop it.
No one in his right mind is trading Martin for an unknown and highly uncertain Evans or Harden. Martin could be traded, but not for any draft pick but #1, which ain’t happenin’.
A rookie plus rookie backcourt is insane.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're on to me.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Reynolds on the Rise Guys this morning said
with carefully chosen word said that there are 2-3 guys that they really like that are going good NBA players…he said that one is going to be really good and probably an NBA all start…I’m guessing Rubio Evans and Flynn. I think if they draft Evans it will be as a 1-3 combo and then they will have to keep the 23 and draft a point.
by ElRonToro on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or move up and get Lawson
(Homer Simpson drool sound)
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think that,
at the end of the day, they wouldn’t have to trade up to get Lawson. He’ll be around 20-24, and he’ll be a very good pick for that spot.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it left
you’re making me blush
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, way.
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.
by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're just ganging up on me.
I’m going to have to swing one of those Petrie apologists! Rubio-philes! rants just to get out the side door, aren’t I?
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Nah, no need for that…I will admit that the Lawson thing is strange. Maybe I put too much stock in dalt’s rankings, but he’s not the only one who feels Lawson might be the best point guard in the draft.
Take that, add in a national championship and his overall tournament performance – and I think you have a guy that someone will take a chance on in the 10 – 15 range.
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.
by otis29 on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
Lawson was on StR’s radar last year (along with Bayless of course) before leaving the draft to win the NCAA Championship.
by smgmatt on Jun 23, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR also said
the Kings don’t have the assets to move up as they have to keep the ones they have…that was in reference moving up from 4…don’t know if it applies to moving up from 23
by ElRonToro on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are all missing the obvious answer here...
… which is to call up one unemployed Elgin Baylor, give him a list of players, and ask him who he would not take. That person is then the guy you take. Twenty -some years of drafting ineptitude can’t possibly be wrong (or do I mean right?). Brilliant!
Damn you Robert Horry!!!
by chupacabara on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We're all missing the obvious question here.
What’s Hollinger doing on Rubio?
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by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jump off the bandwagon already.
What will everyone on Sactown Royalty do when we don’t draft Rubio? It’s going to be the ultimate letdown. This reminds me of the draft lottery. The odds are that Memphis or Oklahoma City drafts Rubio and we are left with the better player anyways. Rubio’s shooting % is disturbingly low. He’s not very athletic compared to the other PGs in the draft. I’m not saying Rubio won’t be a good player, but I don’t think he is going to be the best point guard of this draft.
If Petrie does pick Rubio, and a different point guard becomes the top dog in a couple of years, I guess not many here can criticize him for that.
by cbsf on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't be let down
I’ve never been a huge believer myself.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 23, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pretend I hated him all along.
I can be fickle that way.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am like dust in the sand.
An old, poor farmer won a healthy young horse in a bet, and someone told him “Hey! you’re so lucky, you won a horse!”.
The farmer replied, “Who knows what’s good and what’s bad.”
Then the farmer’s son was riding the horse and it bucked and threw him off, breaking his leg. The horse ran off and the farmer’s neighbor said, “Oh, what a shame! That horse was nothing but bad luck for you!”
The farmer replied, “Who knows what’s good and what’s bad.”
A war had just started through the land, and the army came to recruit all the young men to fight. Because the farmer’s son had broken his leg, they could not take him and his son was safe. His neighbor said, “How luck your son is!”
And on and on and on….
by cbsf on Jun 23, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like dust in the sand more
It’s like looking at an M.C. Escher drawing.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lucky?
then a bomb landed in the hospital that the son’s leg was being fixed….
by Fredman on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the son took out a huge life insurance policy three months earlier
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Jun 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now the insurance's in-house counsel is advising them not to pay, because "attacks by foreign nations" are not covered
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What an emotional roller-coaster!
Actually, quite pithy. That remindth me.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stars are aligned....
for us to get Rubio. I can feel it. The Grizz and OKC are scared to take him, and no one can agree on a trade because agreeing on fair value for Rubio is near impossible. He will be a King in two days and two hours.
by bench_blob on Jun 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see stars spinning in
pretty little circles……………………………….????+-[
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Rubio but at this point anyone taken with the fourth pick will be fine,
this feels like the Presidential Election; after 2 years of campaigning I don’t care if my candidate wins I just want it to end.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Jun 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great comparison
You also know that whoever steps in can’t possibly be worse than the incumbent.
by furious.d on Jun 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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