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Flynn: Suspending Your Disbelief

Now that David Kahn and the Timberwolves have acquired the No. 5 pick and could possibly move up to select Rubio (and if that didn't occur there is still the possibility that Sam Presti takes the Spaniard at No. 3), Tyreke Evans and Jonny Flynn appear to be the most likely candidates for the No. 4 selection by Sacramento.  Stephen Curry finally worked out for the Kings on Sunday but most reports seem to indicate that both he and Jrue Holiday remain behind Evans and Flynn on Geoff Petrie's Draft Board (which is about as possible to decipher as the ultimate outcome of LOST).  Following these assumptions, and not being ignorant to those remaining in the "Rubio camp" (of which I think I'm still a member), who do you prefer - Evans or Flynn?  As for me, after Rubio, I would like to see Jonny Flynn become a King.  Here are some reasons why...

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I have been pretty high on Flynn since his "coming-out" party in the Big East tournament last March.  Back then it wasn't even certain Flynn would stay in this years draft as he was likely a late-1st round pick.  Then I compared him to Aaron Brooks, which still seems to be a solid general comparison.  Since then however, and particulary following the pre-draft measurements recorded in Chicago, there have been comparisons made to Jameer Nelson and Raymond Felton.  These appear to be valid comparisons as well in terms of physique and athleticism. Since my last Flynn analysis though, I have been intrigued by another comparison.  Let me provide a warning however to those of you who possibly aren't accoustomed to suspending your disbelief.

Player X was a point guard who played two years of college ball like Flynn.  During those two seasons, Player X averaged 15 PPG, 6.3 APG and 2.5 SPG while shooting 47.1% overall, with a 46.9 3PT% and 83.8 FT%.  In comparison, at Syracuse Flynn averaged 15.5 PPG, 6 APG and 1.5 SPG while shooting 46% overall, 33.3% from three and 78% from the line.  Clearly Player X posted superior shooting statistics - particularly from behind the arch - and also demonstrated a phenomenal ability to steal the ball.  Player X also led his team to the Sweet 16 as a freshman and won an NCAA tournament game as a sophomore as well.  Flynn was named to his region's All-Tournament team while leading the Orangemen to the Sweet 16 as a sophomore.

At the pre-draft NBA combine, Player X measure at 6'1'' with shoes.  Flynn was 6'0.75".  Player X weighed quite a bit less (178lbs.) than Flynn however (190 lbs.).  Still, Flynn outperformed Player X in the vertical jumping categories (40" to 38" in max. vert.) and standing reach (7'11.5" to 7'9").  The two were equal on the bench press (10 reps) and nearly equal in the 3/4 court sprint (Flynn was 3.23, X was 3.22).  Coming out of college Player X was compared both in terms of his game and his athleticism to current Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson.

Enough already right? Here is Player X:

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There it is, Chris Paul.  Now, obviously I'm not really insinuating that Jonny Flynn is the next CP3.  However, here's part of what DX had to say about Paul when he was coming out of Wake Forest in 2005.

 

"With his quick hands and dominant lateral quickness, you would expect Paul to be a dominant defender. However, he is mediocre at best in this area. While he ends up with a lot of steals, he isn't always an aggressive defender, and doesn't eat up opposing ball handlers the way that he should...

At a generous 6'0, Paul is a bit undersized as a point in the NBA. While his explosiveness more than makes up for it, Paul may have to adjust some of the things he does as far as attacking the basket. He may have trouble guarding some of the bigger point guards in the league as well. 

Finally, while it's hard to call a player too competitive, it seems like Paul may have become just that during the ACC slate this past season. He developed a reputation as a guy who is willing to throw a cheap shot, even before the incident in the last game of the regular season where he punched Juilus Hodge below the belt. 

Furthermore, there were some late season rumors of locker room unrest at Wake Forest. This is something that NBA teams will probably look into, though it's hard to see a team passing on Paul because of personality issues. He is too dynamic a presence on the floor. 

 

Of course, Paul had some upside to him as well.  Thing is, some of the knocks against Flynn are akin to those few given to Paul four years ago.  Again, Flynn is not the ball thief that Paul was/is nor is he the perimeter shooter that Paul was or is today.  Nor is he probably quite as explosive.  But Flynn is also just 20 years old, and is good at splitting defenders and changing speeds.  There is room for growth and the Kings' situation would be condusive to his leadership skills and development alongside the current young core of Thompson, Hawes and Greene (Flynn's former teammate).  Also, the comparison of Paul to Kevin Johnson is intriguing because Johnson was coached by Paul Westphal in Phoenix for four years.

Overall, I feel that Flynn's upside probably doesn't reach the level of a Chris Paul or Kevin Johnson.  However, I also believe his upside is considerably above some of those other comparisons (Felton, Brooks). For example, this past season Paul finished with a PER rating of 30.04 (behind only LeBron and Wade).  Nelson, in 42 games before being injured, was having the best season of his career with a PER of 20.66.  I think one could reasonably project Flynn's potential as reaching a PER of 18 a few years from now (somewhat like an Andre Miller in terms of productivity). Eventually he could break into the 20's like Nelson as well.  Sure, for every Paul there are a lot of Sebastian Telfair's.  I think Flynn will be closer to the former than the latter and if Petrie were to select him tommorow I'd be just fine.

Chris Paul photo via img.fannation.com

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I want Flynn

Im sick of all this crap. Flynn is a sure-thing and has oozing potential. at this point:

Flynn
Rubio
Evans

I wont be happy with any other guys at this point.

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by mvhsbball on Jun 24, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a sure thing?

Not quite.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely Not

But after Rubio, I’d argue that he’s just as sure as any other PG prospect in this draft.

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flynn /= CP3

Just like Megan Fox /= Hilary Swank despite having similar measurements.

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Flynn = Paul

I was merely holding Flynn up to what should be his standard.

“Overall, I feel that Flynn’s upside probably doesn’t reach the level of a Chris Paul or Kevin Johnson. However, I also believe his upside is considerably above some of those other comparisons (Felton, Brooks).”

Besides, I don’t know about you, but I don’t mind this:

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Thanks for ruining the thread…

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Sorry, I guess I owe you one.

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just going to say I knew Player X was CP3 when I saw the shooting %

That’s not something you forget when you see a guy shoot that well that early in his career.

But, yeah, I love Flynn. That’s all I got.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Flynn is solid

But I don’t think he ever showed the creativity, steadiness, and shooting that CP3 showed before he came to college.

Athletically they’re somewhat similar, although I still think CP3 is quicker. I don’t think the comparison is really apt.

I do like the Kevin Johnson comparison though. That I can see.

Ultimately Flynn’s success in the NBA is going to hinge on whether he can be more consistent from outside and improve his decisionmaking. I wouldn’t mind if the Kings ended up with him, but I’d be pretty underwhelmed if they ended up with him with the #4 pick.

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again,

I’m not saying Flynn even has the potential to be a Chris Paul. But guys like Paul and Johnson should be the models for Flynn to follow if he wants to improve (which I believe he does and will). I agree that Flynn is probably not a creative as Paul was, nor is he near as good a perimeter shooter. I’d also probably agree that Paul is generally quicker.

In summation, Flynn will most likely never be on the same level of CP3. But if you feel that Kevin Johnson is a legitimate comparison in terms of upside, then run with it by all means. I simply feel that after Rubio, Flynn has as much upside or more than any PG in this draft that the Kings are considering.

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Flynn is the safest bet of the PGs

But the most upside? Because of their athletic gifts I think Jennings and Teague are the ones who have the most upside if you’re setting aside Rubio.

That doesn’t necessarily mean I think the Kings should draft either one at #4, but I don’t really see Flynn as an upside choice. He’s more of a solid pick, which in this draft is appealing, but not someone who you’re really drafting with the hopes that he’s going to become one of the top PGs in the league someday.

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree...

I think Flynn is probably the “safest” PG selection out there. Personally, I see him more as a Tony Parker than a CP3. A PG who dribble penetrates and then passes to the open shooter (Martin, Garcia or Hawes) or lobs to the big man (Thompson) sitting at the hoop for the dunk. Plus, he has a decent mid-range shooting game.

However, taking him at #4 concerns me. Especially after last year’s draft when he took Thompson higher then he was projected to go. I would really love Kings trading down to say #8 (since NY is trying to get to Curry) because I don’t see Minnesota or Golden State drafting him. I just know that NY doesn’t have much to offer in order to move up to #4.

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nbrans

I would again agree with you that Jennings and Teague have tremendous upside. But I was excluding them from the conversation as well.

“I simply feel that after Rubio, Flynn has as much upside or more than any PG in this draft that the Kings are considering.”

I’d agree that Flynn is the safest PG selection and has just as much upside as Evans, Curry and Holiday.

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings

Dude has taken a huge fall. He might be looking at late lottery status at this point.

With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say

I’m more worried about the jump shot than the attitude. He’s just a risky player all around, and I think there’s too much at stake for a lot of the teams in the lottery to risk a bust.

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Safest bet?

JT was no safe bet last year, but after 4 years of solid production, some did consider him to be the most NBA-ready out of the PFs available at 12 last year (over Speights and Randolph). Still, he was considered to be a reach. Flynn’s draft context sounds very similar…

by LPKingsFan on Jun 24, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great posting, sroufe

I don’t like steroids in baseball, but if that’s what you’ve used to step up your game, well played.

Just don’t get all Lyle Alzado on us.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

or jose canseco, right?

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by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 24, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown

Rec’d for thoroughness, and for the Enigma Machine tie-in.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 24, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jonny Flynn

looks like he’s the safe player that’ll contribute immediately, but after that he won’t be better than other players that could potentially be there for the drawing (Rubio, Evans, etc). I still believe in getting the BPA in this draft because of the Kings’ lack of overall talent, and I don’t see Flynn as that person. I guess it’s a gut feeling deal.

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by submison on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I lean to Flynn over Evans

He comes with O and as much D as a 6 footer can offer…when asked by Dan Patrick today what he would do if he was posted up by LeBron he said he would yell for help from everybody on the floor , the bench, and the coaches. Funny Guy. If he can get to 80% of CP3 we’d be in good shape.

by ElRonToro on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Yell for help!"

Really, what else can you do with LeBron?

I wouldn’t mind having someone around who can do humor aside from practical jokes…

cough DONTE’.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ElRon Toro

LOL, I still need to hear that interview.

If he can get to 80% of CP3 we’d be in good shape.

I know this probably isn’t what you meant necessarily, but 80% of CP3’s PER rating is about 24. That is Kobe Bryant, Brandon Roy range. Honestly, it’d be difficult to say that Flynn has that kind of upside. But 20,21-ish (Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris), now your talking!

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on Jun 24, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still like Evans a little more...

I believe he causes more mismatches than the other PGs…

IMO
1-T. Evans
2-R. Rubio
3-S. Curry
4-J. Flynn
5-J. Teague

by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 24, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe our 3 point percentage defense will improve.

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flynn would....

Flynn would be perfect for us he is a point guard who can run a team pass the ball very well get to the basket and scouts have been saying that his defense isn’t half bad. This guy will bring the same excitement that a rubio can

by barndoggie on Jun 24, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Flynn will be the guy

He also seems smart and personable, which I think the Kings value.

by Carl on Jun 24, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Flynn is very similar to CP3

..Lack of size but makes up for it with heart and toughness, quick, creative, and explosive. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY Flynn is tough, and has winning mentality to a Kings team who really has no leadership at any position. Flynn is vocal leader, and will be in teammates faces like CP3 does to his team. Tyreke Evans will not be a bad pick because of his size and offensive skills to, but do not worry if Flynn is selected, be prepared to watch a player who has similar skills to CP3.

by mdecastro on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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