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At this point Flynn or Rubio works for me,
they are both excellent pure point guards with Flynn supposedly more NBA ready than Rubio. My guess is Rubio is the better player in two years but obviously no one really knows how it will all pan out down the road.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
lol. per draftexpress, the kings will pick flynn, maynor, and calathes. umm...
3 point guards? unrealistic.
Yeah, Highly Unrealistic...
…especially with Casspi still on the board when we pick at #23.
by #12Pick...who? on Jun 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
HA HA HA - Petrie the Bamboozler!
Petrie is a genius bamboozler! He’s got the top five predictions completely messed! I’ve said all along that Casspi is going at #23. He’s the “Beast from the Middle East.” Thank god Amcik wrote an article the was critical of Rubio today after Voisin was gushing about how he should be a King (almost giving away the truth). Kings are picking Rubio if he’s there, but I wont be sad with Flynn. I will cry and throw my remote at the TV if they pick Curry over Evans, Rubio, of Flynn.
This struck me too
Apparently they think Petrie’s plan is to fire a “PG shotgun” at the court and see who does more damage. Or they think that Petrie’s had so much fun watching all these point guards workout these past few weeks that he was to keep it going. I dunno. Stupid.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If Minny ends up with both Rubio and Evans
someone’s getting stabbed in the neck!
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Yea DX does have no clue but Flynn will be a King because He gives u guys Leadership, swagger and a pass first point guard. I don’t think you guys will draft evans because Geoff Petrie likes shooters. Not Curry because he won’t fit with Martin and He’s not a true point guard.
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
Monta/ Rocky/Quiet Storm
Tyreke/AMMo/Crawford
Stephen/MAGGS/Azu
AR/Wright
Goose/Ronny
has*
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
Monta/ Rocky/Quiet Storm
Tyreke/AMMo/Crawford
Stephen/MAGGS/Azu
AR/Wright
Goose/Ronny
Lol @ TZ on Chad Ford's Chat
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Would love a paraphrase for those of us without access
by BrooklynFan on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Its a chat available to all so I'll just copy paste the line.
Tom (Sactown)
I heard the Kings’ Jerry Reynolds called you a “tool” on Kings radio after you went on the air and said the Kings should draft Rubio
Chad Ford
Yeah, I heard that too. Hey if you’re going to be insulted about being a poor judge of talent, at least get insulted by the Director of Player Personnel for the WORST team in the league.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember when Chad Ford killed the Kings for drafting Jason Thompson??
That was fun.
Remember when Chad Ford wondered why the Heat drafted Dwyane Wade instead of Macej Lampe?
That was fun too.
by nbrans on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
+1,000,000
for the Macej Lampe reference. No one ever remembers Ford talking Lampe up and his subsequent killing of Riley for taking Wade instead.
I’m not sure that’s not worse than misreading Darko. Except, of course, that the Pistons actually drafted Darko.
Yes
I rec’d for the very same reason
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jun 24, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
the actual killing
Analysis: A team should not be criticized just for doing the unexpected. But the Kings made a huge reach for Thompson at No. 12. He’s going to be a solid rotation player at best. But it looks like he might be the Shelden Williams of this draft.
With solid players like Brandon Rush, Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers and upside guys like Anthony Randolph and Marreese Speights on the board, I think the Kings blew it.
Singletary could be a nice second-round pick. But I have a hard time believing Ewing has a spot in the league.
Booyah!
Honestly
If that’s a copy of what he said after the draft, that’s pretty damn good analysis.
Certainly Randolph, Speights and Chalmers at least look like they are going to be good NBA players and calling all three of them a day or two after the last draft is pretty good.
Ford is still a hack, but you have to give him his due if the quote above is accurate.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Bigger than huge, nbrans.
That was Yuge. Well played.
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LOL @ Tz talking shit
That seems so unlike him.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Way to take the high road
LOL…maybe it was section, then again if the person was really intending to be you then they probably would have included “Ziller.”
"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ
Not the first time...
There was a Hoopsworld chat a while back with an “Otis” from Sacramento . . . it’s always fun to see them even when it’s fairly obvious that it’s not who it looks like to regular StR readers.
F#cking posers!
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.
by otis29 on Jun 24, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, I was all ready to blame Pookey
for being a bad influence.
Oh well, he can find others to influence…
by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a big elevator town
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Rickeke Flynenningday, point guard from Europe, Memphis, Syracuse, UCLA and Parts Unknown.
Nah -
When I “phantom post” I use my old stage name from when I was a female night club dancer – “Java Safari.”
Good times.
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Yes, Section I googled it .... and came up with
West Java Safari
Dude – you were HOT!
by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm becoming more and more jealous
every time i see the Timberwolves with back to back draft picks, 5 and 6
by The Guy On the Couch on Jun 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
That's why I think Minnesota was kind of crazy to pull that trade
They gave up their best trading chip (Miller) and someone who is probably better than whoever they’re going to get at #5 for…. the #5 pick.
It’s exciting to have draft picks, but I don’t see how that makes sense.
We'll see
But the point is that I’d rather have Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio, James Harden, Hasheem Thabeet, or Tyreke Evans than Foye. And one of them has to fall. I think Foye is destined to be a very good 6th man. It’s a rarity that a draft doesn’t have at least 5 quality starters in it.
I disagree on Harden
Agree on the others. Foye alone for the #5 is understandable, but what I think makes it kind of crazy is also including Miller, who had been their best trade chip. But I suppose we’ll see what they do with the pick.
Fair enough
Miller definitely had good value as a trade asset, and I haven’t delved into the financial aspect of it (though I know Songaila’s contract kinda sucks). But I think Harden will be a very good (if one-dimensional) scorer.
I just see it as a safe move
And one to separate Kahn from the McHale era, particularly if they draft a hit.
Yeah
Definitely a clean break, and if they hit a home run with the pick it will look good in hindsight.
This is the type of gamble that Petrie never takes, for better or worse. You’re giving up someone (Foye) who is pretty near the level of the guys you’re drafting with the pick you’re getting for him. It could pan out in a big way or be a bust, but it’s a definite risk.
Foye is seriously overrated
The problem isn’t that he doesn’t have skills, he does. He’s an above average long distance shooter, a good passer, their are 2 things though that limit him.
(1) He under no cirucmstances can be a Point Guard as his decisionmaking with the ball is not good.
(2) He’s 6’4" with short arms and can’t defend 2 guards.
Those limitations make him a Tweener, not a combo guard, as he doesn’t have the skills or physical ability to play either position. The idea of Foye is ok, the results of Foye are not an efficient player.
Disagree completely
Standing Reach
Gordon – 8’3"
Foye – 8’1"
Harden – 8’7.5"
If either Gordon or Foye were in Harden’s body, that’s a starting 2 guard. Harden may not have the skills of these two players, I think he does, but if he does, he is a starting 2 guard and not a tweener.
by Ebomb on Jun 24, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harden's standing reach
Is longer than Jeff Green, Corey Brewer, and Richard Jefferson.
He is not a tweener, he has ideal size for the 2 guard position, and his athleticism as measured was far better than advertised.
by Ebomb on Jun 24, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that he's overrated
But he’s still pretty good. He looked pretty good offensively as a 2 guard this past season, but yeah, he’s a tweener who is limited and probably best suited to being a combo guard off the bench.
Foye gets very hot when he gets hot (e.g. last year 30 points in one half against OKC)
But it rarely happens. And due to his inability to defend bulky SGs and quick PGs he is not much of a net positive so far. I think he and Miller fit well with Flip in Washington (remember him? Yeah he of Detroit fame is now there). It’s a pretty good deal for both teams. And Minny had to take on $8 million in additional salary for 2010, so they won’t be a major player in free agency (if they ever were).
Yeah but...
Randy Foye is a good player! And Mike Miller? I don’t think the Wolves are doing themselves much of a favor by taking back Blanche and Songolia.
why be jealous?
Who wants a team with rookies starting at both your back court positions??? Bet Minnesota leads the league in turnovers next year.
Passing on Rubio
would be so wrong. I don’t want to be another Bucks or Hawks, who both passed on Chris Paul and Deron Williams.
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by vfettke on Jun 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
Take from 2 guys who I’m guessing have watched a TOTAL of 2 or possibly 3 Rubio games. (Just a hunch of course)
Passing on Paul and Williams was foolish from a whole different standpoint , as both guys had a solid track record of games played in the States.
There was NO excuse for ATL and Mil Player Personnel to “miss” on those 2 guys
Still
I’ve watched between 5 and 6 but I feel like he has a proven track record as well. Defensive player of the year? Olympic games? I just don’t see how GP is doubting him when he’s the eact type of player we need.
Why take Tyeke over Rubio?
I’m not saying he won’t be good. But it makes more sense to pick Rubio and at least trade him to Minny for Evans and some other piece
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Couldn't agree more...
If both Evans and Rubio are available at #4, Minnesota is hot for Rubio, and the Kings are indifferent between the two players, how bout this?
The #4 pick and #23 for #5 and #18, or
The #4, #23 and #31 for #5 and #6
Hell – in the second scenario, you could grab both Evans and Flynn. Just over 24 hours to find out…
by Mcamp49 on Jun 24, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd do it for option 2... maybe
I definitely do it for 5 or 6 and Love. But for 5 and 18, no thanks.
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And a million times more athletic, he may not have hype like rubio
Sure Rubio can pass but he can barely jump. Again, people talk about the nash comparison. First of all, Nash is obviously lights out shooting and secondly Nash was a supreme athlete (recruited and played soccer at Santa Clara, probably the best soccer program in America.)
Flynn just has more upside where Rubio just has more marketing. What’s more important?
by KingsForLife on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand this assumption
Why do people think that the excitement surrounding Ricky Rubio is a product of marketing. I remember hearing about him three years ago and it wasn’t because he has Obama’s campaign manager doing his marketing; it was because he had 51 points, 24 boards, 12 assists, and 7 steals in the U-16 European Championship game. His buzz is huge because he’s a basketball prodigy, not because he’s well connected or something. Had you heard of Omri Casspi or Danilo Galinari before you had heard of Ricky Rubio? How about Flynn? No? You’re entitled to the opinion that Flynn has more upside, but cut the crap with the whole marketing thing.
by furious.d on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At this point
I think I’m done with all the speculation, as well as StR (until tomorrow’s epic draft thread). I hope to God Petrie’s playing his cards well and setting smokescreens, but I worry that that’s not the case. See ya’ll tomorrow
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I take this back
my ADHD kicked in and I realized I have nothing better to do at work
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Well that's a given
but yeah, I’m going absolutely insane here. I’ve been wanting this kid on the Kings for the past year or two and we were bad enough to get him. The lottery screwed us. But if we still have a chance and don’t take it I’ll be pissed.
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by vfettke on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I’m at the point where I just want it to be over, but I’m definitely gonna feel like I got kicked in the balls if we end up with Jonny Flynn.
Flynn's second on my board
but if Rubio’s available and we don’t take him I’m seriously considering not being a Kings fan. However, if someone else takes him I hope we land Flynn. I love the kid.
I suggest going to SI.com and listening to the first hour of todays Dan Patrick show where he interviewed Flynn. He said he’s the best PG in the draft and gave a great interview. Dude seems smart as hell with a great head on his shoulders.
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Get ready...
I’m pretty sure Rubio is gone at 2 or 3 and I don’t think the Kings take him at 4. The comparison I’ve seen for Evans (who the Bee says the Kings want) is Larry Hughes. Ugh.
I just vomited in my mouth a little bit
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by vfettke on Jun 24, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely agree
regarding Flynn’s demeanor. He seems like he’ll be a fan favorite and a quality pro, I just don’t think of him as having elite potential. Glad to be wrong if the Kings do snag him.
I'd agree
I don’t think Flynn is worth the #4 pick. He should be a decent player, but nothing in mind suggests he has a great upside. The point of this years draft is to get a very good player, not a good player. Flynn in my mind is most ready to step in play right away but I don’t see where else his game can develop.
DX has no clue
Aside from Flynn, they have the Raps passing on DeRozan for James Johnson. Tommorrow can’t come any sooner.
He goes three to OKC,
and they trade him for the 5 and 18 then take harden at 5.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Yep
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel for Presti to pick him at three and let the offers roll in. If they don’t like Harden or the teams at the top of the draft are playing hardball, they can field offers from later teams. They already have plenty of developing talent and will have the cap space to absorb a quality vet.
I want leadership and toughness from GP
The only King I see having any leadership potential is Spencer and that is a stretch. Martin is best in the shadows and IMO will never be Batman, but will always make a fantastic Robin.
From a butt in a seat perspective, I’d like to see Rubio because Arco sucked last year. I think there is a lot of marketing hype he will create and maybe bring some life to the place faster than any other draft pick. The question is how long will that star burn?
From a wanting to win perspective, I see Evans and Flynn as two guys ready to go and maybe add some toughness and leadership immediately. They will not generate the hype as quickly as Rubio will, but they can change the attitude of a very soft team.
Rubio has tremendous potential, but the guy doesn’t come across to me as a guy who will toughen up this team. He will – IMO – make them very exciting, but outscoring teams helps in games 1-82. Any hope of a future in the playoffs needs to draw out some toughness. Cisco, Noc and Spencer have that edge to them. Martin, JT and Beno – milk toast.
I don’t want the Anthony Peeler elbow to KG’s jaw extreme, I just ask for some toughness out of this draft.
Milquetoast
the French Army breakfast
by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Why potential matters...
Rubio has higher potential than Evans or Flynn in my mind, even though both Evans and Flynn are ready to produce now.
The problem is that plugging in someone ahead of Beno who is a half-step better than him only wins us what? An extra 10 games? The Kings are in a position that they NEED to gamble on potential. If Rubio is a bust, the team gets another shot at a star next year with another sub 5 draft pick. A mild upgrade based on performance NOW does nothing but get us a handful of wins and worse draft picks for a few years.
by Cyg on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Passing on Rubio?
The lady doth protest too much. No chance. I highly doubt he’ll be available at 4, but if he is, we better take him.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
DraftExpress does this every year. They mess around with the mock to throw a monkey-wrench in on any so-called experts who might be using DX’s info as a cheatsheet for their next pre-draft report article.
James Johnson in the top 10 is sillier than the idea of the Kings passing on Rubio. Check back at Draft Express tomorrow around lunch time for the real deal final mock draft. THEN get mad/confused/whatever about that one.
ESPN
From ESPN’s draft blog:
• I’m told OKC will take Hasheem Thabeet at No. 3 if he’s there, though there are concerns that he’ll struggle on a team where he’s the No. 1 post option. I’m also told that if Thabeet’s not there, the Thunder will take James Harden. GM Sam Presti loves Ricky Rubio, but he knows Russell Westbrook will be angered to the point of wanting out if OKC drafts another PG.
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