Evaluating the current roster and moving forward.
It was obvious to everyone that after a 17 win season the Kings needed to take a serious look at their on-the-court personnel. Changes started with the firing of Natt and the remains of Theus's staff, the hiring of Paul Westphal and his assistants and just recently the drafting of Evans, Casspi and Brockman. Now, after all this progress, I thought it'd be a good time to take a look at a snapshot of the Kings roster as of now for evaluation before the meat of free agent action. These are the Kings, as of now, that will be under contract at the start of the '09-'10 season.
Guards 1s & 2s Wings 3s Bigs 4s & 5s
Tyreke Evans 6'6" Andres Nocioni 6'7" Kenny Thomas 6'7"
Sergio Rodriguez 6'3" Omri Casspi 6'9" Jason Thompson 6'11"
Beno Udrih 6'3" Francisco Garcia 6'7" Spencer Hawes 7'0"
Kevin Martin 6'7" Donte Greene 6'11" John Brockman 6'7"
Obvious roster observations - A young roster. The trade of Salmons and Miller effectively moved some malcontent vets struggling with a bad team in an obvious period of transition. The addition of expiring contracts brought cap flexibility and open roster spots to let Petrie do his thing.
Coaching Staff- I understand all the praise and criticism (well most) of Westphal but considering the salary range and contract length being offered by the FO, I feel we got a great value. I also am OK with the staff, the assistants all have a certain level of experience and success in the areas where the Kings need the most help: Defense, rebounding and a legitimate offensive identity.
My opinion on the roster- It's obviously still a work in progress. Lot's of youth and potential that needs time to learn and evolve. What I like about the make-up of this roster is the athleticism, length, versatility and toughness (maybe I should say potential for toughness). If Evans and Greene break into the starting rotation this year we would have a line up of 6'6" PG, 6'7" SG, 6'11" SF, 6'11" PF and a 7'0" C. After witnessing the value of size in the playoffs this bodes well. Noce and Thompson are physical players. By all accounts Evans, Casspi and Brockman are as well. All the pieces are there and as long as everyone can live up to potential ( a BIG if, I know) we are well on our way to a turn around.
Moving Forward
The last part this off season is free agent signing/trades. The Kings are currently at 12 roster spots and must add at least 1 to get to the league minimum. Considering the current economic climate of the franchise the possibilities are varied. Do they fill the final 3 spots with inexpensive vets and fringe talent? Do they spend for an asset (Gortat) and roll with the minimum roster using 10-day contracts and D-league call ups to save money on roster spots in case of injuries? What happens with Bobby Jackson? Ike Diogu? Trades- what actual assets are we willing to move? Who are likely targets? These are all rhetorical questions that all of us will answer uniquely but with a little analysis some of the possibilities can be narrowed down.
Looking at the above roster it's easy to see who doesn't fit.
Beno - Where it is entirely possible he could rebound to his contract year's production the point is moot. I think it's clear that what he brings to the table doesn't pair well with the current fare. Unfortunately his contract is prohibitive to moves. Someone would have to be very desperate for a back up PG to offer anything of value.
Noce - Love his grit and determination, he could be a great role model. There is no doubt he'll bring it every night on the court but there have already been glimpses of his unhappiness with the transitory state of the franchise, he could also be detrimental to the young talent.
K9 (Woof!) - What more can I say that hasn't been already? At least he's expiring this year and he gets more valuable as the trade deadline nears.
It's also clear to see where the holes are: the lack of a clear cut superstar and the front court.
Sac currently has JT and Hawes manning the front line. Brockman will most likely get his PT at the 4 but as undersized as he is, probably not much in his rookie campaign. But it's easy to see what type of player Petrie will target to round out the team. Big Men. Personally I think a Center should be the main target. Marcin Gortat ( as mentioned above), for example, could allow Hawes to shift to the 4 for a big line up, complement JT nicely spelling Hawes and provide some rebounding and D.
Chad Ford has a list of free agents and Aykis916 posted a great discussion about how to shore up the front line.
As we roll into the dregs of the off season I think it's obvious what needs to be and what should be done. The entire organization has a lot of work ahead before the beginning of the regular season.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I initially thought it would make sense to resign Ike
But looking at it closer, Nocioni, Cassipi, and Greene should all be ably to play some 4, and almost have to in order to get minutes. There may not be much time for Garcia in the backcourt, so he’ll probably see a lot of time at the 3.
And I’d rather have Casspi/Greene play with an undersized lineup than see Ike play 15 minutes. For the minimum salary, I’d of course welcome Ike back. But I now don’t have a problem letting him go without an offer.
A center who can play a lot of minutes is all this team really needs to get by. There should be enough playing time to go around so they can evaluate most of the young guys.
by DesertFox on Jun 27, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the center.
Gortat would be nice. I would also consider a Beno-Nocioni or Beno-K-9 for Samuel Dalembert if Philly loses out on Andre Miller and Mike Bibby. My perfect off-season would end with this team:
Evans/Rodriguez/minimum back-up/Garcia
Martin/Garcia/Evans
Hedo/Donté/Casspi
JT/Dalembert/Brockman
Hawes/Dalembert
You can’t get Gortat and Hedo (if you can get either) but the Dalembert deal would be simple.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
by jjham15 on Jun 27, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's only 11 players.
Dalembert makes 23.5 million over the next 2 years and we’d still have to sighn 2 more players to get to the minimum. A rebounder/shotblocker like Dalembert is intriguing but probably too expensive for Sac.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 27, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah so what
You’re going to have sign 2 more players anyway at a cheap price. The Kings aren’t going shopping this summer folks. They won’t really have the cap room to do it.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was
how expensive Dalembert would be. I kinda thought it was obvious. Not only is he rediculously expensive we’d still have to pay two other players just to take him.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 27, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way I see the Kings dealing K9 is if they get a significant upgrade
And, with this team, I don’t see a significant upgrade being all that useful. I would rather this team dump Beno & Noc’s long term salary. If they can’t, than they can’t. But no point in trading K9 for no reason when he’s just a way to save money.
There is nothing wrong with saving money when you’re team is losing it and you’re not likely to win 50 games for several years at the bare minimum anyway.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we will upgrade either, but...
I would try to use Thomas’ contract as a tool to trade Beno, or to a lesser extent Nocioni, and get a shorter term contract in return. Dalembert would be useful in the short term, and would cut off the last couple of years of Beno’s contract. K9’s contract is the only way I see the Kings being able to rid themselves of the last couple of years on Beno’s deal – hopefully Petrie can find a taker…
I do agree though that with K9’s contract by itself, no deal is far better than dealing him for a small upgrade in talent…
by Mcamp49 on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only reason to do a deal with Beno or Noc
Is just to simply save money. The Clippers are going to have an incredible time trading Randolph, and while they would be taking more LONG TERM money, they also would be saving a little money in the next few seasons which would be very important for any 2010 FA splash they would make.
It wouldn’t be that important for the Kings because I believe making any splash in the next 2 off-seasons is way too early. Even then, I would love to see how these guys develop before doing that.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a market for Nocioni
At least that was the indication at the trade deadline. The Kings should be able to move him if they need to. It’s Beno or Cisco that you’d need the ECK9 to lug out of town.
by ttylerbballcamper on Jun 29, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Average age of the group you listed 24.5
by ElRonToro on Jun 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good observation
Take out Thomas and we get to 23.5. That’s a nice young nucleus of talent.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat isn't worth it.
He’s going to command MLE money and he’s not going to help this team win (many) more games. The difference between a very good backup big man and a mediocre backup big man just isn’t much to a 17 win team. The Kings need a backup big man, but what they need more is pure talent. Sign a big man to a two year deal at the $3 million per and take your chances either in the draft or in 2010.
by Carl on Jun 27, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope
we are aggressive with K9’s contract. It became clear during last season’s trade deadline that expiring contracts can be very valuable and I think we need to see how much we can get out of Thomas. If we could get a first round pick, a good player, or a team to take Beno’s contract.
As for the big man, I have been rooting for a Brandon Bass signing for a long time, but we do have a lot of guys who can play the four and I am not sure Bass is big enough for that. So I say just pick up the cheapest young player available
by Big ZK on Jun 27, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
Gortat is who everyone’s after, here’s my guy: Zaza Pachulia.
24 years old, 10.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, been in the league 6 years.
He’s nobody special, but that’s the point. You shouldn’t have to overpay too much, and he’d be an excellent backup.
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by ForThree on Jun 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Zaza is somebody I definitely could get behind
Cheap & still young.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same
Only problem is he’s Atlanta’s only center (Horford is a PF playing Center) and they might try to keep him at all costs especially since its looking less and less likely that they’re going to resign Bibby with the acquisitions of Crawford and Teague.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather acquire Crawford and Teague
Than keep Bibby at an inflated cost.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is what Atlanta is seemngly doing
Look for Portland to go hard at Bibby though. Him or Andre Miller.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Miller makes more sense to me
But, that’s me.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same
He seems to fit their system better. Bibby has the much better playoff pedigree though.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
They could bring in Hedo Turkoglu, trade Travis Outlaw, and keep Blake/Bayless as their players at the PG position. They don’t exactly have a glut there without Sergio Rodriguez anymore.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could work
I think the Blazers did the Sergio trade more to let Bayless develop at the 1 next year, which is a decent move, as well as freeing up some money for a run at Hedo. Blazers could be Dark Horse Contenders next year bringing in a vet like Hedo.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 28, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contenders like the Nuggs were this year.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 28, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see y'all are regular visitors to Blazers Edge.
Some BEdgers want Andre Miller or Mike Bibby, but I would say more of us want Kirk Hinrich than anyone not named Chris Paul.
I hope Tyreke Evans works out well for the Kings. I’m glad you guys didn’t get Rubio. There’s lot of boom/bust discussion about him, but I’m not convinced he would have been the right guy for you. But in a Paul Westphal offense… ah, who cares now.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 28, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what centers have contracts that end after this season?
I would love to try and move beno and noc for a center who’s contract ends after this year. I believe if we moved those two contracts and recieved that kind of center in return, we would be 20-25 million under the cap. I would rather do that with the knowledge that we would probably get another great draft pick next year (maybe John Wall) because we would still be a nunder average team and get a top free agent in the summer of Lebron. I would rather have another bad season in return for the higher probability of future great success.
by kwill on Jun 27, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Camby.
He could be had. Maybe even for Beno.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 27, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beno for Camby..
YEAH right. Beno/Nocioni for Baron or Randolph, Maybe, yeah, sure.
by Smills91 on Jun 27, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we have said it before
but I really feel like a great third big man would be David Andersen. He wouldn’t be too expensive, has been playing at the top level in europe for a few years and could contribute right away.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks own his rights TMH
It’s a sticky situation.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noce sign and trade for Varejao
Anderson is the defensive PF/C we need, and Petrie’s been interested before
by LPKingsFan on Jun 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
his agent is Dan Fegan
I don’t think that works in the favor of a deal at the moment.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 28, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Save the Money
IMO bring in low tier front line players to fill out the roster. I could not be more against blowing the budget on free agents before the team has even identified it’s strengths and weakness. Spending money now hurts the teams ability to reformulate the plan later. Regardless, the team isn’t winning next season, the youngs still need some years to develop. I’m trusting Westphal can do much better than Natt at keeping the ship from sinking on a night to night basis in order to give our players more quality floor time to develop.
by bignerd on Jun 29, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout Birdman?
Pretty sure he had a one-year contract w. the Nugs last year so he should be a free agent right?
He can backup Spence, and he brings shot blocking, hustle, and a sense of defense to the team. Not sure how much money he’s going to be demanding, and how likely it is that Denver is just going to re-sign him but he’d be a good fit.
by Slaaam on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Kings cannot afford to get into a bidding war with other teams
Birdman is almost certainly going back to Denver.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides
Why would he want to leave te Nuggs? They took a chance on him, and he will then return the favor
by shadowchicken on Jun 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's under contract for one more year.
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birdman is a FA
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOPE
At first it started with pure hatred. Hatred of the fact the Lakers made it into the tournament. Then as they breezed past everyone in the West it turned to jealousy. Its obvious to anyone watching the NBA or just reading about it that the Lakers became an instant team to beat with the ridiculous pickup of Pau Gasol. Even though they lost that year to Boston, they came back the next year and won…that could have been us i thought. That could have been Sacramento.
Unfortunately for me [and the Kings] the season was over just as it is was starting. At first glance i thought okay Reggie [Theus] can turn this around. If we could just win a few games before the All-Star Break we can get back into…..nope. Reggie had a rough [okay terrible] start and was soon fired shortly after. His replacement although he inherited the whole mess didn’t do much better and Kenny Natt was also fired at the end of the season.
I have no ties to Sacramento whatsoever. I’ve never been. I also have never seen the Kings play live. Add to that the fact that i live in LA and its hard to imagine why i would stay a Kings fan. In fact all my co-workers ask the same thing. I think it started on a very deep emotional level. My love affair with the Kings started with that Greatest Show on Court’ team of Vlade, CWebb and Bibby. I LOVED the way the Kings played ball back in the day. The flashy passes, the up-tempo offense. The C-Webb glare! The cowbells. The noise records we set in the NBA Playoffs. All of that i watched, stunned and mesmerized.
The Kings played as a WHOLE TEAM back in the day. A quality i loved them for and add to it the emotion at Arco during those playoff games of Lakers-Kings and you had PASSION. A passion for purple! Those days are long gone now, I watched this season on TV like many of you and saw the writing on the wall. Arco was half-full most of the season [with good reason]. We traded away the last of the old era by getting rid of Bibby and Miller [who then made the playoffs]. The Lakers-Kings rivalry? HAH! There were more Laker fans at Arco chanting MVP than there were Kings fans. Something that upsets me to this day.
That would never happen at the old Arco. Thats not the Arco i knew. But unfortunately thats what its become. As far as the NBA Draft i agree with the experts in a grade of B+. I think we drafted well and with one or two free-agent pickups i feel like we will have a much more competitive team next year. One that will be worth watching next year.
I watched the Laker Championship Parade on TV [it was safer this way] and i can tell you that the fans really cherished this one. This Laker team after all didn’t look like a championship team at times and yet they still had enough to win. I definately got it rubbed in my face at work that the Lakers were World Champions. Hey i might be a Laker-Hater but i can respect Kobe and the banners that hang at Staples.
But in the end its still Purple and White til the end. People down here in LA still remember those playoff rivalries of Lakers/Kings [mostly cause of me] but even so they remember how good we were and they give us props but then it turns to laughter. Sad..sad indeed. Lets hope next season the Kings are the ones laughing.
by kingsforever23 on Jun 29, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice retrospective.
A Kings fan in Hell-A. Sounds like a rough life.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jun 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an LA area resident
I can empathize with everything you posted.
The thing I hate the most, more that the Lakers flags on cars, more than Lakers “fans” that know less about the team than I, even more that Sasha Vujacic is the fact that that Lakers fans have only apathy for the Kings. I remember, even though we didn’t beat them in the post season, that just mentioning the Kings as a team brought about such an emotional response in L fans. They referred to them as the “Queens,” talked trash about Vlade flopping, Christie’s gestures to his wife… Now they barely remember that Kings team that took them deep into the WCF.
I know it won’t happen soon but I too, long for the day where another great Kings team sends daggers of anxiety into hearts of Lakers fans. Let’s hope that team is being built right now.
Go Kings and whoever is playing the Lakers!
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 29, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I 100% understand your pain
I too live in LA. Well Long Beach, but still Laker fans only come out when the team is wining, and i tend to notice that Laker fans don’t know anything about basketball, all they know is Kobe. I hope with K$ heathly, Evans (hopefully being the ROY, i hate BG, how does evans have the same wingspan?), JT not making any rookie mistakes and Hawes growing a pair and grabs double digit rebounds, i feel we can really make a push this year, catch teams by surprise!!! I’m excited to see Evans play next to K$… I hope The Kings can get back to the playoffs….LETS GO KINGS!!!
p.s. John Brockman is only 6 foot 7? Damn
by shadowchicken on Jun 29, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long Beach?
Me too. Nice.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 29, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should have been a reply to shadowchicken.^
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 29, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rofl
Really? Nice to see another kings fan in the land of the Lakers….
by shadowchicken on Jun 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to know there are allies
here in enemy territory.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jun 30, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys should create your own resistance movement
And maybe dig an underground tunnel to get persecuted Kings fans to safety.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I have just the vessel -

The Sacramento Kings underground monorail!
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAARGH!
Simpsons. At. Disneyland.
Worlds. Colliding.
/whimper
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least
we’ll need secret handshakes and passwords so we Kings fans can identify each other without giving away our true fanship.
Teh Dego Dagger
by BPaoliano on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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