One more thing I wanted to add on Evans is how impressive it was how well Memphis played this year with him as the star. This was a team that lost the best player in the nation in Rose, their leading scorer in Douglas-Roberts and their best inside player in Dorsey. Evans was the only major addition, yet he had this team very close to gaining a top seed by the time the season was finished. That they were upset by a very good #3 seed in Missouri in the tournament is no shame at all. Tyreke Evans looks like a very good prospect to me. He has good size and dominant athleticism. He moved comfortably into the role of star on a good team and led them to a terrific season. He shows all the characteristics of a future all-star SG.
Ed Weiland of HoopsAnalyst, who doesn't think Evans is a point guard but has a strong endorsement nonetheless.
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You could still get Rubio
I don’t know if this trade has already been proposed here, or even if Sactown Royalty allows for trade speculation. Trade Tyreke Evans and Beno Udrih to Minny for Rubio, Wayne Ellington, and Brian Cardinal’s expiring contract. I believe Minny made the Miller/Foye trade to Washington in order to draft Evans and Flynn, and got thrown for a loop when SAC chose Evans, thus picking Rubio because he has to be picked at #5 or #6 in the scenario that went down. The benefit for Minny is getting the young backcourt it originally targeted. The benefits for SAC are getting a great, pass-first PG and cutting Beno’s salary the last two seasons, and picking up a young sharpshooter in Ellington.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If
the Kings wanted Rubio, they would have taken him. Bottom line.
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by what_the_crap on Jun 27, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, no shit.
How is this logical?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting out from under Beno's...
…contract makes it logical. What if you could have Rubio and subtract Beno’s contract? That’s why this trade with Minny could make sense. Petrie knew that Minny also valued Evans highly. So, why not dump off Udrih on them in return for Cardinal’s expiring deal, and make that the price of Minny getting Evans? Petrie also knew that Rubio wanted to play for the Kings or OKC, and it was pretty evident before the draft that he didn’t want to go to Memphis or Minny. One more thing…what if Petrie made this exact trade next week? Would you then say the Kings should have just drafted Rubio if they really wanted him?
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what I've read on our end,
Petrie (and many others) honestly believe Evans is legit and the best (or second best, I should say) talent in this draft. At this point, I think they like their pick. The only way it makes sense, I think, is if perhaps the perceived gap between Evans and Rubio is not as big as it really is.
To me, the thing driving the deal should be which of the kids is better talent, not disposing of Beno’s contract. In fact, I’m sure I will suffer severe backlash for what I’m about to say next — but, at this point, I’d be more inclined to include Martin in a trade (along with Beno’s bad contract of course) to get Rubio than Evans. I realize Evans hasn’t played one game or proven jack shit as of yet, but I like the idea of almost starting over with a very young team, and I think Evans and Rubio would make a great backcourt.
So will Evans and Martin, of course. But, I still like the idea of a beastly backcourt rim-slasher like Evans along with the finesse of Rubio making everyone on the team better. Martin is finesse, but he doesn’t make the whole team better.
I may need to let this one simmer for a bit, before I make a complete retraction wherein I advocate that trading Martin for Rubio is insane. Because, it kind of is. But, I might be curious enough to do it.
Law school has soiled my ability to make a decision and stick by it…unless I’m getting paid to take a side, that is ;)
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'd rather trade Martin for Rubio and have a Rubio-Evans back court
btw, Ball Don’t Lie is reporting that Rubio skipped the Wolves presser…
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by Holmdel on Jun 27, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you with the trade of K Mart and Beno for Rubio. We also should get Hedo, that would be a deadly squad.
by Retros21 on Jun 29, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why Minny does this trade
They lose two of their promising young draft picks and an expiring contract for one promising young draft pick and a crappy contract. Plus we would have taken Rubio if we wanted him.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have emphasized that Minny might be forced into the trade
Rubio has them over a barrel, and bad publicity could force them into making the trade. Evans and Flynn (or Evans and Stephen Curry) were thought to be their targets all along. Anyway, they could always hold on to Ellington if they think that in the scenario I outlined, the price is too steep to get Evans.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do Beno for Rubio and next year’s Minny pick (top 10 protected).
If Petrie’s high on Evans, and the Maloofs are planning a marketing campaign around him, you won’t pry him away from Sacramento.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 27, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm missing something
I’d do Beno for Rubio and next year’s Minny pick (top 10 protected).
Are you throwing in our pick next season – I’m obviously missing part of the trade here.
by Carl on Jun 27, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, this isn't right
I’d do Beno and K9 for Rubio and Minn’s 2010 #1. That seems fair. Tell ya what, I’ll throw in Peaches.
by Bitgod on Jun 27, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot wait to see Evans Martin in the backcourt together
I too doubt Evans being what most of us consider a point guard, but I don’t doubt that he can become the leader of our offense and team in 2 – 3 years (that is unless we get John Wall next year.)
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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I HEARD THAT.
I’m gay for John Wall. Not news to regular readers.
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by andy sims on Jun 27, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade wasn't a PG coming out of Marquette either
Do you think the KIngs would worry about pairing Wade and Speed together? Yeah, me either.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pook have you reached stage 5?
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 27, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...I think I did sometime last night.
It hit me that this guy could be the next Wade. Still, though, I’d like to try to figure out a way to get Rubio here. I think an Evans/Rubio backcourt sounds really, REALLY f’n good.
Combine that w/ the Hawes/JT tandem up front (and Rubio’s alley-oops to Shock), and it conjurs images of very entertaining hoops.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a more developed body than D-Wade
And he’s quite a bit younger.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit- Pookey is buying in.
I came to the realization on draft day that although Rubio was my pick and his fanfare would have helped sell tickets- Evans is probably the best pick. I think the Kings need to shuffle the deck and come out with a true point 3 to help this process along but having a slasher at one guard spot and a slasher shooter at the other is going to make life tough. 5 years of Brother Hedo is in order here people. Even at 35, Hedo will be a top notch shooter and passer. Until then the Kings can capitalize on his leadership, clutch shooting and offensive direction.
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by jjham15 on Jun 27, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather bring in Ariza than Hedo...
He’s younger and not much lesser of a talent than Hedo. I think having 2 old dudes at SF (Noc and Hedo) – - both of whom would be under contract until they’re like 35 or something is not a good idea.
Ariza does the intangibles and delivers when needed. Martin, Evans, Ariza, Hawes, JT.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trevor Ariza and Francisco Garcia are the same person. Have you ever seen them at the same time? Good defenders, good three point shooters, can play multiple positions, etc. We have no need for Ariza.
by Carl on Jun 27, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza is no where near the player that Hedo is.
Ariza is exciting and a very good defender but Hedo is a leader, a passer and a clutch fourth quarter guy. Age isn’t really a concern here with Casspi and Donté waiting in the wings. The only way I see this working is if Nocioni is passed on to Orlando as a cheaper replacement for Hedo. Hedo might slow down in 4 years but then we are looking at two 25 year old players who are ready to step in.
To capitalize on Martin in his prime, I think it makes sense to add a high character, high basketball IQ player known for taking over when it counts. Evans is going to need a passer like this if he is going to reach his full potential also. I think Hedo makes too much sense.
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by jjham15 on Jun 27, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes a lot of sense.
I like that. If Noc goes to Orlando, it makes for a good situation.
Evans, Martin, Hedo, JT, Hawes.
Sergio, Garcia, Greene, Casspi, Barakman?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the Hedo bandwagon
if you can get Nocioni out of town as part of the deal.
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by ForThree on Jun 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say no to Hedo
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
say yes
you can have all the young talent you want but if you expect to compete at all you need at least one guy who has been there before and can bring everyone together. Let Hedo be this generations Vlade. Bring him home baby.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ
I bought it on Friday. I was just pissed Thursday. Saturday is not Thursday. What does that mean? I had time to read an email Dalt sent me about stuff that I hadn’t thought about it.
You know what convinced me? He told me there are similarities of Evans to Tracy McGrady. Except, I think ’Reke has probably a better attitude.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hopefully a better back...
and luck in the postseason, of course.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If T-Mac wasn't a punk
I might agree with anything beyond the bad back.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
T-Mac = Penny Hardaway
I hope he has that kind of skill and he’s built a lot better than either of those guys so hopefully he doesn’t have the injury issues.
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by jjham15 on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm hoping as well
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by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY, we got the best player...it doesnt matter if he's a "pure PG or not"
by KingsForLife on Jun 27, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does pure Pg's do besides set up offenses and then stand around and watch the other 4 guys pass the ball?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can see the Wade comparisons, too
Evans has to potential to be a great multi-dimensional guard with his size, and athleticism. If Evans can learn to shoot the 3 better and pass the ball better, he’ll be an all-star, no doubt. He already has size for blocks and rebounds. He has quickness for his steals (and he’s known for his D). He already can score. Up the 3 point % and assist/TO ratio and you’ll have a stat line almost comparable to D-Wade.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade can't shoot the 3 much
But he’s a brilliant driver who can make plays for teammates. He’s an incredible defender. Martin’s got everything else covered, and it’s not like Speed is no chump himself.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans shoots the three very poorly...so perhaps the Wade comparison is more relevant than we thought?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the worst ways to move a conversation forward, Phuture, is to state exactly what I said in a different way
I’m just saying. Is that your point, or are you just thinking out loud and need more time? LOL
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sloooow down
Let’s get him in some real games at least before we actually go there. He should play a style like D-Wade; that’s not remotely close to saying he’ll be a fraction as good as D-Wade.
I love this site. :)
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by ForThree on Jun 27, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he just might be better :P
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for awesomeness
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by ForThree on Jun 27, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing
I was being serious with what I meant. But, at the same time, it doesn’t matter. We won’t know that until both guys careers are over. So, why speculate?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PhutureKings...
Do you go by “LieToTheGirls”? Just wondering if those other posts are you or an Avatar biter.
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by tlfairgo on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought LttG's avatar was from the Princess Bride?
I only post under one name…I’m not THAT obsessed as to require two!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 28, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I got the name wrong...
But I saw a couple posts a few days ago with you’re pic on em’.
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by tlfairgo on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dream a little dream...
So, imagine we get John Wall next year? Going in to the 2010-2011 season:
Wall, Evans, Martin, JT, Hawes, Garcia, Casspi, (the promise of) Greene (coming to fruition), Sergio, Noc (?), and whatever we manage to do in free agency next summer.
Oh, and maybe resign to K9 to a long term deal, too!
JK about that last part.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We're never going to pick up a hyped prospect, even if it was Blake Griffin.
Dating back as far as I can remember, the only pick we’ve had where GP was on par with the analysts was when GP picked Hawes.
by CloudyEyes on Jun 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In order to get John Wall next year
We have to sit through another year of being the worst team in the league. Is that really the outcome we’re hoping for? I know that we’re probably not making the playoffs next year, but hopefully we won’t be that bad!
by misterbrister on Jun 27, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you forgetting that being the worst team
doesn’t guarantee you the first pick? There’s a thing called the lottery. We’re probably not going to be the worst team again, but we won’t be a playoff team either. Middle of the lottery projection (5 – 8) is where I see us being next year and teams behind that have won the lottery before. Also, Wall might not even turn out to be the best player and college competition shows that. Too early to tell for anything so I don’t want to argue it after we just did this draft.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen here you Greek Mexican fuck
No rational thought until you’re north of the border.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..
..with the Princeton offense, we don’t need a pure pg. Two good passing guards are ample.
by ZenBaller on Jun 27, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True dat...But is that what P-Dubbs runs?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we even have one good passing guard?
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 27, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio is a good passing guard
And Cisco isn’t bad, but you wouldn’t mistake him for a point guard.
by Carl on Jun 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Martin a bad passer or....
does playing basketball with children barely old enough to drink or terrible veterans make you look bad.
Let’s see Kevin and Tyreke both play with actual NBA players around them and then make the decision. John Stockton wouldn’t have been much of a passer to the crew we ran out there last year.
Kevin will never be mistaken for a point guard, but its not his role, and I don’t think he’s given any indication he’s a bad or unwilling passer.
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by ForThree on Jun 27, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true of JT Shawes & Donte too
It’s hard to pass the ball if you can’t figure out what you’re trying to do on the court to begin with. A coaching staff has to actually have a plan for you to be able to follow it.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were there 4-3
Beagle (B) was screaming for how Natt was using Shawes. Wasn’t it painfully obvious that the coaching staff with Theus and without him kept trying to play this team in a style that it was never quite suited for?
I don’t want to bring up that Nattin’ Natt again, but, Natt it dammit, I gotta!
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or you are passing it to lobster claws Mikki Moore
who costs about 6-8 points a game on bobbled passes in the low post.
by STH114 on Jun 27, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
John Stockton wouldn’t have been much of a passer to the crew we ran out there last year.
So very true for last year.
by WaymanChilcutt on Jun 28, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was dickin' around on trade machine and trying to figure things out...
While doing some research on next year’s draft picks (you know, as potentially trade sweeteners), I discovered that OKC gets PHX’s 2010 FIRST round pick…UNPROTECTED!
Talk about the rich getting richer.
PHX is definitely on pace to be a lottery team again, and especially if the Amare deal goes thru, they could be one of the league’s worst teams. At that point, Kerr could be GM of the Year…for OKC!
OMG, the Thunder are going to be scary fuckin’ good. As if they weren’t headed there already.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cuz they dealt Kurt Thomas away
They dealt away the 2008 & 2010 1st rounders away.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
Sam Presti is a damn good GM. And Steve Kerr is an exceptionally poor one. He killed the franchise’s future acquring Shaq and also dealing his picks for money that ended up very good. Now he will probably miss out on a lottery prospect in a strong draft too, when his team will probably have an even worse record than last year.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving Steve Kerr credit for Robert Sarver's atrocious ownership...
…I think puts you back square in the category of a stupid Greek Mexican fuck.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Every time I read “stupid Greek Mexican fuck” I cringe and laugh uncontrollably.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robert Sarver is atrocious
and so is Steve Kerr. Although slightly less so. I’m glad neither of them are in Sacramento.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 28, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking...If Evans become a pretty good player, we still need a PG
you can’t have your most dominant scoring player bringing up the ball unless it’s late in the 4th quarter or something. The guy will just get drained. Look at wade and lebron, they have the ability to bring the ball up but they just dont because that would just be too taxing.
In one sense, I agree with Petrie’s selection because we got the best player in the draft after Griffin. But I’m realizing we still didnt solve the issue of finding a point guard. Maybe Rodriguez can flourish in this situation and make an impact. I could see a line up of
Rodriguez
Evans
Martin
JT
Hawes
Where Evans would guard the other team’s 3 since he’ll most likely be our best perimeter defender.
Anyone else agree or see this being an issue?
by KingsForLife on Jun 27, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
summer league will determine
if we can really play evans at the point.. this summer league the kings will field
evans
casspi
greene
thompson
hawes
thats like your future starting five…
if evans starts being a vacuum rather than the pointguard projected by GP and maloofs.. maybe then we can play with martin for rubio trade which is a win win on both sides
by jphilx on Jun 28, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's our future starting five
…we’re screwed. That’s not enough talent to contend for an NBA title.
Tyreke Evans is the only one of those players who has a reasonable chance to develop into a dominant NBA player.
Did we all forget how much firepower it takes to get to the NBA stratosphere? We’re headed in the right direction, but by the time the Kings are a playoff contender there will be two or three other major pieces added to the roster.
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by Mucho Moss on Jun 28, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone always seem to think everyone on the team is going to suck?
Did you not watch the playoffs this year? If you did, you should have noticed pretty much every team in the offs had a former Kings player who was playing a major role for the team they are now with.
Guys like Hedo were the guys “fans” like you were saying needed to be traded back when he was in Sac. Dude is one of the top FA this season.
Donte Greene may become EXACTLY what you are wishing for 3 or 4 years from now. Hawes & JT may become the best Front court in basketball with the right PG running things.
Teams like the Bulls and Blazers did exactly what we are doing right now.
If Evans can REALLY play point in the NBA, you are talking about putting the most efficient SG in the NBA with a PG who will quite simply bully anyone he plays against… Combine that with the promising combo of Shock&Hawes??? Makes for a nice starting line w/Garcia off the bench. Then factor in Donte Greene if he can get it together… He’s a potential all-star.
See, I feel that pretty much everyone (besides Beno) on our roster is better than people think. I think the Kings will turn heads this year, and you’re opinion of most of these guys will go WAY up after the coming season.
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by tlfairgo on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casspi
I doubt will see any time as SG. But it’d be cool if he were that mobile—he’s 6-9.
Martin for Rubio trade!? Wouldnt we just have drafted him if we thought he was that valuable? Or are you saying that both Rubio and Evans are more valuable than Martin? I dunno! But if Evans isnt that good we fix it by trading Martin?
I dont think Hawes will be playing summer league. Is he eligible?
by DustyG on Jun 29, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they're going to suck.
but the reason a lot of people think they might probably has a lot to do with those 65 losses we suffered last year.
However, “Not sucking” isn’t setting the bar very high. We want to grab the brass ring within a couple of seasons, and I just don’’t see it with this group.
The fact is that this is a roster made up almost entirely of mid-to-late draft picks, and the odds are that their athletic limitations will keep them from becoming the kind of players you must have if you’re gonna compete at the highest level in the NBA.
Sorry but neither Thompson or Hawes will ever be a Pau Gasol or even a Lamar Odom, much less a Dwight Howard or Dirk Nowitzki. You know that right?
Yes, Kevin Martin (who wasn’t on the list that I was commenting on) is a very good player and a marginal All-Star. Tyreke Evans has impressive raw athletic ability, so there’s another ray of hope for the future. But after that we need a lot more talent
On the other hand, I think you’re pushing the envelope by saying that Donte’ Greene is a potential all-star. Based on what!? He could just as easily end up a Developmental League player.
Hey, I like the optimism, and I’m pretty stoked on Tyreke adding into the mix, but c’mon tifairgo, let’s be realistic. This roster will not look like it does now when the Kings return as contenders.
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by Mucho Moss on Jun 28, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, your analysis is so far off the mark it's not even worth trying to argue with you.
Mid or late round draft picks are not automatically precluded from becoming upper echelon NBA players.
Yes, everyone on the Kings roster is young but that’s a good thing for a 17 win team. Of course not every player is going to develop to expectations but the Kings have enough young projects to at least assume a few will turn out to be roses. In the NBA, you don’t need a roster full of All Stars to win, it’s not the 80’s. You need one star, a second banana, a third scoring option, competent coach and a roster full of the right role players.
Next season, we are hoping for a friskier team, it takes steps. We will have another top 10 lottery pick next year to upgrade the talent. The two low picks we have look promising. Management is going ape shit over Evans projecting him to be a star. Spencer is other top 10 pick who appears to be the focal point of the Kings plan this year. He has certainly outperformed Oden at this point. Kevin Martin might already be that 2nd banana player, at worst he’s a fantastic 3rd scoring option.
by bignerd on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I LOVE the way this roster is set up… Almost every name on the roster can contribute in some way to someone. To me, that means we have all the trade bait GP could ask for.
Look, I get that there will be and MUST be moves to catch the Lakers and Spurs of the world. But I also don’t see us being that far away.
IF Geoff Petrie is the mad scientist we all believe him to be, Tyreke Evans will become an elite PG in the NBA. When you have an elite PG and a SG that does his work WITHOUT needing the ball in his hands, you can have nothing but success.
Think Detroit Pistons. Think Chauncey Billups and Rip’ Hamilton. Personally, I think Martin is better than Hamilton. I also believe Evans will end up better than Billiups if GP is correct in thinking Tyreke will stay a PG.
We have our backcourt set, and have talent in our front court. I think something like Thomas’ contract, Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, and a Future 1st or 2nd round pick would be an ACCEPTABLE price to pay for Chris Bosh. I also think signing Hedo could help us if it was the right type of contract. Something like 3-years/$10mil w/team option for another 2 years at a lower rate… IMO that would make SAC one of the elite teams in the West.
5-Hawes
4-Bosh
3-Turkoglu
2-Martin
1-Evans
This would put a smile on my face. How about you?
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by tlfairgo on Jun 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Mucho
I think Shock, Hawes, and Greene will all yield higher results than expected with regards to their draft positions, but on good teams they are nice reserves. I like to watch them play and develop, but I dont think it’s realistic to think that any one of them will develop beyond being considered a solid starter. It’d sure be cool tho, and of course my doubts dont preclude it from happening.
by DustyG on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans transitioned well from SG to PG...
I think he’ll also be helpful on the court in the event of an in-game injury. “Paging Dr. Evans.”
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by PhutureKings on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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