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Tyreke! Tyreke! Tyreke!

Forced to record the NBA Draft and work I was in the middle of a dinner program surrounded by 50 somethings politely nibbling on their strawberry spinach leaf salads, I slyly pulled out my iPhone to check the draft results: I couldn't believe my eyes. I yelped and pumped my fist, then sheepishly looked around as the other guests expressed their disdain through winkled smirks as if I was at the Arden library circa 1979 looking for the latest issue of Sports Illustrated still on the shelf.

Petrie picked Tyreke with Rubio still on the board, Oh My God! it really happened. Petrie picked my guy! It took another day before I could pull an all nighter and read through the abyss of part timers weighing in, venting, feigning disgust and bewilderment, while others stepped up and respectfully believed TEVO (try it on...if you no likey you may like Te-Rex, still no? I come back later, ok?) was the BPA,  while still others conceded in GP we trust. Now I am all caught up and have a lot to say.

Before I delve into Tyreke and some other draft/trade observations, let me digress a little to put to bed (yeah right, I wish) GP's decision not to draft Rubio.

I was confident that Rubio, the obvious pick to most, would not be Petrie's selection. I did post several pieces alluding to this but I am no Nostradamus and was as clueless as most as to whom I thought would end up a King. I would never have guessed Tyreke was it. I wished it but  I didn't post why because I am very superstitious when it comes to my Kings (as some of you have read before) and subsequently didn't vote the other day because I was afraid if I voted for Tyreke, Petrie would not pick him--as he had yet to pick anyone that I was enamored with until now. 

While Tyreke was a surprise, upon closure inspection we should have foreseen that Rubio was not it. Huckleberry Hound Reynolds hinted on the type of player we might draft not too many picked up on that. Other STR brethren commented Geoff has a tendency to take a lot of stock in the pre-draft workouts and the Rubio camp not being proactive in Petries' PG Palhoopsa might have backfired. The return trip and last ditch shooting drills by Rubio probably just sealed his fate something Amick's cell phone interview seemed to subtly capture.

In Amick's interview, Rubio admitted that he hadn't picked up a ball in a month. Really? On the eve of the biggest event of your life you weren't hiding out like a gym rat working on your 18 footer to mask your few but noticable flaws? His interview at the airport reminded me of the video ride in the limo after a contestant is knocked off of the Apprentice (insert your reality show plug here). He definitely was tired, but his somber looked like The Kings didn't give him the thumbs up. 

Then he all of a sudden meets with Kahn down in LA? Fegan must have been like, "Mr. Kahn, yeah, sorry I am just now getting back to you. Turns out Rubio is available for a quick chat if you are still interested...REALLY? er really, ok. We will see you at 8, it's gonna be great."

If you watched the workouts, Tyreke looked solid--aside from his release--the shots were falling. He obviously was able to dispel the concern to the staff about him playing or defending the one. Compared to Harden, Flynn and Holliday he looked like a stud. Tyreke stated one of his goals was to keep hitting the gym hard this summer. Tyreke, I'm not using my 24HR fitness membership, it is all yours. Here is the catch, ya gotta show some leadership and get KMart and Cisco to spot you in hopes it inspires them to add some muscle to their slight albeit wiry frames.

Other clues included a closer peek at Petrie's Draft History which I posted last week--thanks to both of you that read it--I am still trying to get off the Trolls Most Wanted list. It  detailed that we can expect him to do two things: Pick a contributor and pick someone we didn't expect.

J-Will, Peja, Hedo, Hawes, Thompson, Douby, the list goes on and on on guys that we first went huh?. Everyone can argue that a different pick might have had an equal or greater result but Quincy and OMSJ aka Tariq (note to GP - No more draft choices with a Q in the name) aside, Petrie has consistently made our team better through the draft.

So knowing Petrie likes to pull the rabbit out of the hat and given all the national attention and the dare I say consensus belief that Rubio was the next best thing to Griffen and who the Kings should select, you had to know Petrie would pick elsewhere. In fact the more the King's scouts, ownership and media gravitated towards him the more Petire seemed to distance himself. I suspect he saw enough of him to formulate an opinion. I bet he was not even keen on him coming to Sac for a workout adding fuel to a fire he wasn't flaming.

I was blasted in my post a month ago that compared him in part to Jason Williams. As an aside, I spoke to Eddie Jordan the day after J-Will came in for his rather hush hush workout and learned he lit the net up from 25 feet all over the floor and showed some sweet alley oops and good court vision. He was a risk reward type of guy and the King's staff was in love with his upside.

Maybe there was enough of a resemblance to scare Petrie away. In reality they are completely different players. Rubio is taller, better IQ, longer and stronger, has more defensive potential, better finisher, more mature, less turnover prone, nicer, better looking, more marketable, yada yada. Got it. Here is how they are similar. 

Here are J-Will's career NBA avgs.              .396 FG%, .325 3FG%, 2.4 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.3 SPG., 11.4 PPG.

Here are Rubio's stats in the Olympic Games: .35 FG%, .167 3FG%, 4 RPG, 3.0 APG, 2.1 SPG,  4.8 PPG.

And Rubio's stats for Spanish League '08: .391 FG%, 41.7 3FG%, 2.7 RPG, 5.8 APG, 2.4 SPG, 9.8 PPG.

I think we all know Rubio has more upside than J-Will, but that is partly because we know how J-Will ended up. If you rewind to his auspicious start most of us were loving the ESPN highlights featuring White Chocolate and figured he was going to be great. 

Finally, some have argued point guards that lack a consistent outside shot and cannot defend their position don't become all-stars. Our experiment with flash and sexy did bring excitement but it didn't bring us championships either it did provide us trade value for a PG that almost got us to an NBA Championship, but as many have pointed out a capable PG to facilitate the offense and is not a defensive liability is really the baseline.

Rubio won't be great next year. He will have to adjust to life in the US, the NBA, the NBA game, and not least of which the language. I spoke with Peja outside of Harlow's one night between after his third season and he said he was just finally feeling settled and the transition of having parents very involved in all of his basketball decisions to being really isolated from home and family was a long process.

He will likely be very good but in a few years, Peja and Hedo really shined in years 3 and 4. But I don't think the Maloofs, Petrie or even Westphal with his anemic two year $1.5M a season contract can be patient enough for Spanish Chocolate to let it rain at newly appointed Arco III, Cal Expo Redux or the Raley Center in West Sac if one of those palaces ever get built.

No, unfortunately we need to get to the playoffs in two seasons and versatile players that can help us rebound and defend will likely take precedent. 

I am sure most of you agree that Petrie deserves our respect since his picks beats our picks right? Heck I won't bore you with my draft choices over the last several years because only Rajon Rondo (I still like the dude, he will steal you blind) fared better than Petrie's Doubyious selection in 2006. So he picked Tyreke Evans. Take your picture and let's move on, nothing more to see here folks.

The folk who blasted Petrie should hold their judgement since the Draft is really only the start of the whole off season shuffle. In other words, Petrie and other GMs in the leagure including Minnesota's ' David Kahn have not played their final hand.  "This is only the first period of activity...no matter what occurs (in the draft Thursday), training camp doesn't start Friday. We have all summer to continue to explore some opportunities and to address the roster, and three months is a long time." 

By Petrie not selecting Rubio, he has a chance to have his cake and eat it too. He had to know the odds of Rubio opting to stay in Europe if drafted elsewhere and the likelihood most GMs are going to draft the BPA. If you look at Minnesota's situation they had the same purview hence the multiple PG picks. Kahn is going to wheel and deal and one of his point guards will likely end up elsewhere given they currently have Bobby Brown, Kevin Ollie (hmm where have I heard of these guys before), Wayne Ellington, Jonny Flynn, Ricky Rubio and Sebastian telfair. Other than Love and Jefferson they have more holes in their roster than the swiss cheese at Tony's Deli.

Now that Rubio is following suit by vocalizing a desire to stay in Spain expect the horse trading to begin. We have a glut at the 3 spot. Garcia/Nocioni/Greene/Casspi. I know Garcia can play the two, Nocioni can play some 4, Greene can play some four and Cassp allegedly is a four but I seem him being more like a slasher spread the floor 3 than a back to the basket 4.

Since we are in a rebuild/save money mode, I prefer Greene>Casspi>Nocioni>Garcia. I would like us to package Beno and say Garcia a future 2nd rounder for Rubio a big like Etan Thomas with his expiring contract. Minnesota might also be interested in Sergio/Nocioni for Rubio, Ryan Gomes and Brian Gomes' expiring contracts.

We could also package Sergio and Garcia to Orlando for Hedo who is opting out of his contract. My point isn't to take control over the trade discussions in this thread but merely mention that Rubio landing in Sacramento is still possible via a trade given Minnesota has way too many 1/2s and 4/5s. Surprisingly when you consider Sheldon Williams and Darius Songalia, the T-Wolves look like Sacramento's JV team.

Anyway, so we now have Tyreke in a Kings Uniform and I am excited. I think he provides us an immediate lift, will be be able to step in and compete for a starting spot right away. I don't think Rubio could have done that and I don't think Curry or Flynn could do that immediately (although certainly mid year or by next year Flynn and Curry could).

The last few seasons with injuries we have at best been inconsistent offensively and even when we scored we let the other team score more, sometimes a lot more. If Martin plays 82 games regains some lateral quickness maybe we don't need to worry about the 2 position except of course when we have to defend the 2.

When Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Tracy McGrady, Andre Igoudala, Joe Johnson, Corey Maggette, Jason Richardson (just to name a few) come to town, our defensive counter of Martin and Garcia is just not working. Tyreke gives us a better match up switching up coverage on defense while still being able to facilitate distribution of the ball on offense. We suffered with Garcia and Martin trying to do that and if we have BJax, he is much better as a spark off the bench.

While Tyreke may not be a pass first point guard, he is comfortable bringing up the ball, can effectively work the pick n roll around the high post, take his defender down to the low post, drive and kick to the open man or take the ball strongly to the hoop.

Probably more importantly we can expect better rebounding on both ends of the floor (IMO he will out rebound Kevin, Francisco and be close to Nocioni) while effectively contesting shots and stealing at an above average clip with those 7' arms of his.

He will be able to present match up problems for the opposing speedy PGs who won't be able to defend him, in the same way Baron Davis, Chris Paul, Jason Kidd among others took advantage of our PGs in the past and depending on the match ups Tyreke can defend the 1,2,3. position--especially any teams that utilize a point forward half court game.

A combination of Tony Parker scoring instincts in a Latrell Sprewell body, expect Tyreke to be awhile to develop a solid assist/turnover ratio like Parker or an outside shooting touch like Sprewell, but possess their gift at scoring.

I expect the following productivity from him next year:

25 min., 12 ppg., 4.5 apg., 4.8 rpg., and 1.6 spg., 1.5/assist to turnover ratio. 

Long story short, I love this pick, I appreciate Petrie's decision making and expect that with Sergio Rodriguez as a true PG option we have the best of both worlds. And just wait; when Petrie is done with another trade or two everyone will be able to put their worries on the shelf until our first loss.


(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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we passed on rubio

i dont see why pietrie now trades for him.

you make good points about not wanting to wait on rubio, lets just hope we pull some amazing trade either this summer or b4 the trade deadline that really starts to put this roster together.

Punjabi by Nature

by Robby1987 on Jun 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Robby...

I should make the statement, with Sergio we have no need to trade for Rubio. If we can improve the roster through a trade and ended up with Rubio cool, but I think you are right that with another deal or two we could have all the parts we need to get back to .500.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 28, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post...

… although I think once we passed on Rubio that was a sign, it marked the moment the Kings were “done with him”.

If Tyreke’s rookie season lives up to your expectations

I expect the following productivity from him next year:

25 min., 12 ppg., 4.5 apg., 4.8 rpg., and 1.6 spg., 1.5/assist to turnover ratio.
I will be very pleased with that, it would be a big boost to the backcourt and a great start to his career.

by Kevin Conroy on Jun 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Loved the post with the exception of I don't agree with your ranking of our 3's at all

and honestly I’m not a donté guy though I understand the need to give him time. The strong point you make well and which we have started to see in other posts here is that we do have options when it comes to trades and all is not lost. Undoubtedly there are going to be trades and they could involve anybody on the team not named Tyreke. If JT, Spence or Kevin are included in any trades the outpourings of protests will drown out the Tyreke reaction by 10’s of decibels. There are no sacred cows on a 17 win team whether we want to admit it or not, which is probably some kind of nonsensical metaphor anyway as everybody knows cows can’t play hoops, sacred or not.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 28, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3 Rankings...

When I reread that part of the post I think my explanation was ambiguous. I wasn’t ranking them in terms of who is the best as much as we have too many avg. players at that position and determining who we would get the most value via trade. Wouldn’t you agree that Cisco has the most trade value and also commands the most salary cap space? Followed by Nocioni and then Greene and Casspi?

I really would like us to spend some money getting a 3 like Hedo or Ariza by packaging up a solid contributor (Garcia/Nocioni) with one of our PGs. Maybe Orlando who is going to likely lose Hedo would bite.

I fully agree with your sentiment regarding no sacred cows—we all get too hung up on players that we like. but with 17 wins anyone that makes the Kings better as a team is an option.

Thanks for the props…

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 28, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sacred cows prefer cricket

but can play basketball, too, if so inclined. Regular cows can’t play nothin’.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 29, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kevin being traded? i have no problem with that… scoring SGs come in bunches.. garcia, evans and at some extent casspi can play the 2.. guys im against trading are the bigs and our players who are under 24 yrs old..

by jphilx on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

some thoughts

it seems many share the idea that since we passed on rubio, we dont want him, or want nothing to do with him, etc. i prefer to think that we passed on rubio because he was not the correct player for us to draft at #4 that night, and nothing more. it doesnt necessarily mean we dont want rubio. it doesnt mean that if we do want rubio, we want him more or less than tyreke evans. it just means that on that night, at that spot, given who was on the board, evans was the correct choice.

that being said, i would love for us to grab rubio, if we can do it without gutting some of our more valuable youth. the question i have is, what is truly the feasibility of this? some of the potential trade chatter i’ve looked into regarding getting rubio from minnesota seems to lack any mention of the Kings. does this mean we are aren’t looking at rubio at all, or are we doing it quietly, or….what?

something tells me that if rubio came to visit sacramento and run drills with us and us alone, he would want to play here. now that the cards are on the table and we can possibly take advantage of the situation, why does it seem like the Kings are holding fast?

by sactoreg on Jun 29, 2009 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

like i said martin is expendable… he isnt a multi dimensional player. looking at the offers being offered to minny… brooks and battier from hou. 8th and chandler form NY. outlaw and some one from the blazers..
a martin and 2nd round pick for rubio and Etan thomas

1. Gives us the ideal point guard for our offense
2. we get a servicable center in Etan thomas

play evans at the 2 hes going to create mismatch with that seven foot wingspan of his…

by jphilx on Jun 29, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense

Minny essentially got Rubio & Etan Thomas for Foye & Mike Miller. Would you trade Martin for Foye & Miller? Would you have traded Martin for the #5 pick & Washington’s salary dump?

I’m not against trading anyone (Evans included) in the right deal, but that is not a good return for Martin at all.

Rubio may be the next great NBA PG . . . but that’s still up in the air (and I was in the Rubio camp leading up to the draft).

I’ll also second the comment about the ridiculousness of the Kings not wanting Rubio because they passed on him. What it proves is simple, they liked Evans more than Rubio . . . nothing more. They may not like him at all, or they may have had him ranked just below Evans . . . we may never know for sure.

by smgmatt on Jun 29, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i tend to agree

while i want rubio, i would not (in general) trade martin to get him…his value is too great for the type of player is his to trade just to nab rubio.

by sactoreg on Jun 29, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aggre with you and smgmatt

Given the option Petrie made a decision. If he had been in Kahn’s position and two chances for a point guard he probably picks Rubio with one of those picks. If a situation occured that Petrie felt our team could be improved in a trade that involved Rubio of course he would do it but to your points the scenario above is unlikely.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 29, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

My favorite parts:

1) Raley Center in W Sac. That spot between 80 and Raley Field is screaming for the arena.

2) Doubyous. Great word.

3) “Long story short.” That’s just funny at the end of this post.

I know none of these things have to do with your primary point, which may have been, “I didn’t tell you so, but I would have.” I loved the idea of Ricky Rubio here, but Tyreke Evans was the right pick. Well done.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Left hand, thanks!

My post was too long so I am glad you got my sarcasm to put that Long Story short in the end. Fully agree that the Tyreke pick was the better choice which tied into my post a month ago about It is Better to be Safe than Sexy. At that time I thought we were getting the number 1 pick though.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just happy to see

that most serious fans recognize the wisdom of this pick. Even I, who really liked Rubio but didn’t expect BOTH to be available by #4, see Evans as the potential rock to build the team around.

Sarcasm always has a home here.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 29, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not just stay put?

With the current roster’s need to develop, it would be incrediably hard to determine what the team’s needs are going to be. However, I would like to get a 4/5 simply help with the subsitute rotations. But, I don’t wanna get a guy who will inhibit on the growth and development of Hawes and JT. These 2 guys need the chance to grow

Brandon Bass: Love him. His defense and rebounding intensity are much needed. However, the only way we are going to get him is offer him a contract that we might be paying for a few years (AKA just like Beno’s contract). However, we are going to convince him to stop being a back-up on a playoff team to be a backup on the NBA’s worse team.

Chris Mihm: May not exactly have the skill set that Westphal (and the King’s fans) are looking for, but I think he would be willing to sign for a minimal contract just for the minutes he will get playing behind Hawes. Trying to remember if Mihm was a good rebounder when he played for the Lakers….

But, basically my main point is the Petrie shouldn’t make any major moves with this roster until it has had an opportunity to see what it can do and then try to address what shortcomings there are

by Fredman on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or there is a logjam of 4/5s in Clipper land...

Can we get Camby from the Clippers for some package of Beno, K9 and Garcia?

I look at the Clippers roster and I really don’t see a back up PG or SF on that roster

Beno and Garcia for Zack Randolph?

by Fredman on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I would hate to sit on the fence knowing Baron Davis is grumpy and Dunleavy is open to Beno.

Camby would be a great fit bringing real experience to our bigs…

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 29, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem...

If I am reading the salaries correctly…Is Camby and K9 are both expiring contracts. And in actuality, Camby makes more that Thomas. So in effect, you would be asking the Clippers to exchange a $10 million expiring deal, for a $8.5 million expiring deal. Granted, if any team would trade $1 for $0.85 it would be the clippers. You could do Beno and Garcia plus the Bobby Brown or Sean Singletary trade exceptions. But I don’t see that working. Certainly not from the CLippers standpoint.

It does eliminate part of our logjam at the 3, but does it hinder JT or Hawes’ growth and production?

by nolookpass432 on Jun 29, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Salary cap talk is so convoluted…it makes my blood cells hurt.

by nolookpass432 on Jun 29, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which

You cannot combine Trade Exceptions (TE) with Player Salaries.

For Example, you cannot add the Brown/Singletary TE to Garcia to match Camby’s salary.

You can, however, trade K9 for Camby and then bring in another player (e.g. Mike Taylor) in exchange for a TE.

I’m not saying LAC does this, but that’s how the TE works.

by smgmatt on Jun 29, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew

it seemed too easy. I should have known the salary cap wouldn’t have any piece that easy to figure out.

by nolookpass432 on Jun 30, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Post.. But...

I think Tyreke is going to be a GREAT 2 guard someday.. Point guard though, I’m more skeptical on. As we were able to see in Memphis, the kid needs the ball in his hands. The kings need a distributer. That is a hard thing to convert to. EVERYONE says, “Oh, look how Tyreke was able to leade point in Memphis.” He avaeraged what.. 3.5 assists? Beno averaged what.. 4 or 4.5… and look where that got us.. bootsy. We need a distributer. I’m all for trading Martin (our most valuable asset) for a distributing PG. Sergio is an alright pick-up, but I have a feeling he’ll be another Beno, in terms of good one season poopy the next. Trade Martin ONLY if we get a legit PG out of it.

Again, good post and I like Evans a lot (personality and player).. But I’m scared to have him run point.

by Sammyp831 on Jun 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go look at Derrick Rose's college stats

4.7 APG. Memphis’ system doesn’t allow PGs to distribute all that much.

WordUpThome: THE HEY-DAY OF RONALD REAGAN-O-NOMICS IS A FINE TIME FOR BIRTH, NUMA NUMA DANCE STAR JOBA CHAMBERLAIN WAS ALSO BORN IN 1985

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 30, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this was said before...

But I think it’s EXTREMELY important to note that IF Rubio had been off the board we’d all be wondering “what if”. The fact that he was on the board and Evans was selected should be a resounding indictment of Rubio’s value.

Also…Who cares if Evans is naturally a SG or PG, the fact is we need great players and assets - players that can play or help us get another player that can play. If Petrie believes that this mix of players can compete, or be an asset to exchange for players that can, I am compelled to believe he knows what’s best. Evans may be the future of this franchise but it’s clear now that Rubio is not…there is/was a reason for that,

Let’s do this!

by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 29, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes & No

You have a valid argument, but I think you are applying it wrong.

It’s not so much an indictment of Rubio’s value as it is a proclamation of Evans’ value.

The point that Evans was chosen with Rubio (and Flynn – or any other PG for that matter) still available definitely removes all doubt about Petrie’s choice, which quite honestly cannot be understated.

by smgmatt on Jun 29, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this point is Key

who cares if Evans is a PG or a SG. If Evans becomes the player GP thinks he will be, position will not define him.

Nobody thinks of Lebron as a SF or Kobe as a SG. not that ‘reke is in that class but that is the level of player you are hoping to draft in the lottery, let’s face it.

role players are defined by their position IMO. the modern game is way more fluid.

by kingz2012champz on Jun 29, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The proposed trades do not work

Even if they’re in a bit of a tight spot, I can’t see Minnesota giving up Rubio for a combination of middling bench players with bloated contracts and late picks. They will hold out for a star, star prospect, or unprotected first rounder. The suggested trade of Rubio and Etan Thomas for Beno, Cisco and a second round pick would mean the Wolves have already concluded that Rubio is a bust. It would be insane for them to make a deal like that right now. I see no chance of that happening.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jun 29, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The following line (if true) from the HoopsHype rumors section makes the point:
Wolves turned down an Aaron Brooks-and-Shane Battier trade offer for Ricky Rubio…

Brooks and Battier are two pretty damn good players. The Kings are not getting Rubio unless they give up something major, which they almost certainly won’t.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What I want to know is

what teams in the NBA haven’t been offered Aaron Brooks and Shane Battier by Houston?

by jveezy on Jun 29, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have Aaron Brooks and Shane Battier

WordUpThome: THE HEY-DAY OF RONALD REAGAN-O-NOMICS IS A FINE TIME FOR BIRTH, NUMA NUMA DANCE STAR JOBA CHAMBERLAIN WAS ALSO BORN IN 1985

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

part of the reason they might have turned this down is that they already have a PG they just drafted in Johnny Flynn. minnesota would want to deal so the Rubio pick doesnt turn out to be a waste. if they accept the Brooks-Battier trade (and Brooks starts), then the Flynn pick turns out to be kinda a waste (dont wanna grab a backup PG with your #5/6 pick).

by sactoreg on Jun 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good rundown

Easy to read and enjoy. Keep up the good work.

by Citadel 29 on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great points

I dont see what makes Cisco so expendable though. As of today, he is the only leader on our team. I think the SF thing looks like Greene/Casspi/Cisco/Noce. Not to mention Cisco is the only real SG backup we have for Kevin at this point.

fyi. Jerel McNeal from Marquette was added to our summer league roster. Good pickup IMO, especially if he can stick because we only have one backup SG assuming we don’t re-sign McCants.

by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

He finally finished those 12 years at Marquette? Seems like he has been there forever.

by nolookpass432 on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did you get the summer league info?

I’ve been scouring teh interwebz for news about who we’re bringing in for the summer league roster. I expect to see John Bryant, C from Santa Clara added to the summer league roster also.

Sucks that Jeff Adrien already got picked up. I’d like to see the Kings grab Wesley Matthews, F, Marquette; K. C. Rivers, F, Clemson; and Antonio Anderson, G, Memphis also.

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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 30, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if you guys want to hear from a Wolves fan

I would be extremely surprised if Kahn trades Rubio at any point prior to next summer, and even then it would shock me. I’m fairly confident they are committed to him, and Kahn has done a good job of preparing the (ahem) fan base to wait.

Rubio was a hugely popular choice in the Cities, and the fan base is extremely excited. Whatever else his weaknesses, it’s become clear that Kahn understands the need to market the team after years of neglect. Trading Rubio for parts—even quality parts—isn’t going to happen. The truth is that Rubio is more valuable to the Wolves than he is to other teams. The Wolves need greatness. Now, is it likely that Rubio is a franchise changing player? No. But at least there’s a CHANCE that he is. The Wolves have to roll the dice on that chance.

The Flynn choice was, I think, too smart by half. I get it on a couple of levels—it gives them a little leverage, and I believe they had him as their BPA there. But I still think it was a mistake, even though I like him as a player.

A question for you all (though I see a couple of comments already talked about it): Is there any sentiment among the fan base or management (to the extent you know it) to trade Kevin Martin? What do you view as needs? I confess I’m not entirely clear on what kind of roster the Kings are trying to build.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take from a Wolves fan

My immediate thought on the selection of Flynn was…“Kahn is already on the phone to the Knicks” I don’t know what they could get back, maybe Lee (with a QO of 2.7 million and a pick possibly. But Rubio in NYC would be a marketers dream. Plus the wolves get a very nice frontcourt guy, plus a future pick.

by nolookpass432 on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way that happens

They have no need for Lee. They already have rebounding power forwards (Love and Jefferson). Plus, the Knicks already traded next year’s pick, so that’s out.

Also, this “marketing” thing strikes me as overblown. In our world of global communications, you don’t have to be in a big, sexy market to be marketable. Is anyone on your TV hawking stuff more than Peyton Manning? Does Lebron do OK with the commercials from Cleveland?

by Eric in Madison on Jun 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I was merely saying that Rubio would be better marketed in a place like NYC than Minny or Memphis. No matter how connected everything is globally, there is a reason that all the major marketing companies are in NYC or LA.

As for the trade, that was just off the top of my head. With Lee in the mix, he could be an interesting trade piece. Even after signing a new contract, he’ll be pretty affordable. I would just expect that Kahn would ask for lots of pieces for Rubio. After being sucker-punched by the other teams, the Knicks would love to get Rubio My opinion of course.

by nolookpass432 on Jul 1, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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