On vacation, but thought I'd share cliff notes on what to expect from Kings in free agency: not much. A big -maybe Diogu- and no big splash.
Can we stop talking about Hedo now? Thanks.
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Yeah, dammit.
ExG has made it crystal clear:
Hedo not want to discuss “the Turk” anymore. Do not type his name. Otherwise, hedo to you what happens in prison.
Just a hedo’s up.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 30, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
We need to find you a job Holmes
I think you might be slowly going insane.
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Tyreke Evans, STUD out of Memphis.
by otis29 on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slowly?
Nicest thing anyone’s ever said to me…
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we sign Hedo!
He looked damn good trading clutch baskets against LeBron in the ECF. What do we think are our chances??
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by Holmdel on Jun 30, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, a joke
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Jun 30, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with signing Ike
You never know, this dude can put up the numbers he had the last 2 games of the season…but then again he can just sit on the bench and slack off again.
Other teams are probably reluctant to sign him b/c of his past, but I think we should give him a shot and actually GIVE HIM SOME PLAYING TIME instead of letting him rot on the bench, cough cough Kenny Natt.
by Slaaam on Jun 30, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
right there with you
between coaching changes and weird injuries the dude has never had a chance to show what he can do.
I like Ike and don’t think the last two games were a total fluke. 3 years for $4.5 mil, last year team option. Sign him up.
SAmick almost never speculates, when he posts (or tweets) something like this it means he has heard from the team. Which means maybe we pick up a couple of bodies from Summer League or vet minimums and the team we have gets to show what they can do. Are you listening é and Kevin? Kids are going to get plenty of minutes.
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by Bluejohn on Jun 30, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
Our two big men have three years of combined experience, Diogu would be a good choice. Frontcourt depth is needed, and the Kings don’t appear to be ready to spend big bucks. Guessing a trade with some of these swingmen will happen at some point.
by PurplePurple on Jun 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kings need someone bigger than Ike.
I’m not saying don’t sign Ike, I’m saying the Kings need a real big that can play the 5 as well. I see a deal with Utah coming as soon they know who is and isn’t opting out/in. Fesenko is a perfect low budget pick-up with up side that keep the fluidity of the cap going forward. Although I like the idea of Hedo, I would only make a a move for him if it included Noc going back to Orlando. Hedo is certainly an upgrade but if added to this roster he is just overkill at the swing. Gortat is also interesting but he is more of a “putting the team over the top” player IMO. If the Kings make the Hedo move, I would like to see a Gortat move to finish the roster off. No Hedo = no Gortat and yes the Kings can get both if they use pieces to obtain Hedo.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, Ike is too small to back up Spencer
I think we’ll sign someone who can play 4/5 about 15 min games with most of those minutes coming at the 5. I wouldn’t mind if it ended up being an undrafted rookie like Heytvelt or some other big that hasn’t been giving a chance yet. Let’s not make any big free agent signings until we see some growth and direction from of this team (unless beno or noc’s contracts are moved).
6’10" or above please…and someone who can block and alter some shots. Are we the only team in the league currently with no backup center?
by ucla06 on Jun 30, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Williams anyone?
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
When Ike played his best last at the end of last season, it came from the 5. Not only was he abusing whoever guarded him, he was strong and long enough to do a decent/better job than hawes and defending his man. The reality is, who is out there, that is long enough, that the kings can afford signing that would be cheaper than Ike, and would actually play good given some minutes?
I think Ike is long, strong, and quick enough. Put that on top of another short contract and I think he will play hard.
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by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ike is Jerome James
Don’t get enticed!
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give him
More than a 2 year deal at 1.5-2mill or the bi annual exception.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome James
killed Brian Skinner with no hands, a one legged Brad Miller, and a 400 lb Ostertag. Ike killed Nene, the Birdman, and everyone on the ’Wolves roster. Everyone that saw those games knows the difference.
I’m not saying Ike isn’t a 2 hit wonder, but he isn’t as bad as Jerome James. Also, I would only want him back on a small, short contract, not the freaking MLE.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about trying to sign Channing Frye? the blazers aren’t renewing his contract.
by gedrosolan on Jun 30, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Channing Frye sucks and he doesn't like Sacto.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd need Ike and another big, right?
There’s just no way we can go into this season with JT, Hawes, and Ike as our only legit bigs. What if one gets hurt? I wonder what Mikki Moore’s plans for next season are…
by furious.d on Jun 30, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thats so NOT funny.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman...
WordUpThome: THE HEY-DAY OF RONALD REAGAN-O-NOMICS IS A FINE TIME FOR BIRTH, NUMA NUMA DANCE STAR JOBA CHAMBERLAIN WAS ALSO BORN IN 1985
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 30, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman = 5-8 minutes a game.
You have to add a big shot-blocking back-up center.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
brockman =5-8 minutes a game
in europe
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah - so true.
We’re only talking about Brockman getting minutes because the Kings have absolutely no true PF/C on the roster aside from Hawes/JT/K9… and we all know how much playing time K9 received last season.
I’m really hoping that the Kings invite a slew of big men to summer league and someone impresses – Heytvelt seems like he has the biggest chance of doing that, if given the opportunity.
by cabz on Jun 30, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you didn't like
B52, you’re not gonna like Heytvelt. Just a warning for those who haven’t seen him play.
by furious.d on Jun 30, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller wasn't the problem
$12 million worth of Brad Miller was the problem.
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we can get Brad Miller for a rookie league minimum salary
then I’ll take 6.
by Charlieb on Jun 30, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm -
Freshly baked rookies…
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Freshly baked?
Pun intended?
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by Exhibit G on Jun 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Made myself giggle, at least.
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they call it tripping
When shrooms are the hallucinogen of choice.
by furious.d on Jun 30, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up as well.
Brad’s attitude and contract were the problem. If Heyvelt can be a poor man’s B52 off the bench then they need to get his ass on the summer league roster.
I still don’t know how the guy went from late-first to undrafted…
by cabz on Jun 30, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman will surprise
a lot of people. He is a hard worker, banger, and plays D. He is going to carve a niche for himself on this team, and become a fan favorite ala Pollard.
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by shazzam on Jun 30, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Berri thought so too.
He made a post on wages of wins and Brockman was highly ranked in terms of production. Unfortunately Tyreke Evans was ranked 23rd in players drafted.
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/quick-thoughts-on-the-2009-nba-draft/
by mayfieldcol on Jun 30, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman strikes me as the type of guy who can get away with his lack of size/athleticism in college...
only to find that it takes more than heart/hustle and a 3" vertical to get by as a PF in the pros. I’ve enjoyed watching the guy play at Washington, but I don’t see him as anything but an insurance policy in case we can’t find a cheap backup PF/C in FA (including the pile of undrafted rookies).
by cabz on Jun 30, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Harpring?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't me more of a SF?
Not to mention that he’s a lot more athletic than Brockman, and has a much better offensive game, even if that still equates to being below-average in both regards (although, without looking up the stats, I’m thinking that he’s actually an above-average mid-range shooter).
by cabz on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Harpring isn't all that athletic
Its a fair comparison. While Brockman doesn’t have much of a vertical, he moves pretty well considering his massive girth. The diffrence there is skill level. Harpring knows how to play the game very well, and has experince I am afraid Brockman will never get the chance to have. Love those kinds of players, that work so hard to overcome thier shortcomings, but just don’t see it happening. I really hope I am wrong though.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Harpring...
but that’s my point, in a way. He’s not very athletic, as NBA players go, and IMO he’s still a LOT more athletic than Brockman.
by cabz on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I honestly cant say how much more athletic Harpring is than Brockman
Because I havent seen Brockman play very much. But, given he’s an NCAA rebounding leader, I think he can do something for us.
Maybe I’m just being optimistic.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this stats seems to weight TOs pretty heavily
Evans should be able to cut down on the turnovers as he works on becoming a better point guard. He’s also going from being the best player on his team to a team where he’ll likely come 3rd or maybe 4th in scoring. Hopefully at least Martin and either Hawes or Thompson can carry more offensive weight this year so Evans doesn’t feel like he needs to force the issue in games. I hope Evans comes along slowly this year…just enough so the team is exciting to watch. We need to add at least 1 more top 5 pick and hopefully after that free agent signings can bring us where we want to be.
by ucla06 on Jun 30, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock could be Craig Smith or a Paul Millsap type?
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't both of those guys a LOT more athletic?
With much better wing-spans?
There is a reason that many people felt Brockman would go undrafted. I enjoyed watching his heart/hustle in college, I just don’t think we’re going to be all that thrilled if he has to plan more than 5 minutes in a pinch.
by cabz on Jun 30, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not a big
The guy is 6’ 7" and 255 so that puts him at Artest size.
by KingsFan on Jun 30, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Don’t extend a qualifying offer to Diogu and also NO Marcin Gortat.
The Kings wasted their money on Beno Udrih last summer. No one is trading for Beno.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently you don't pay much attention to the NBA
if we can get a couple good games out of Beno I’m sure we can swindle Dunleavy
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by vfettke on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you don't either`
Because you must’ve forgotten Jerome James.
I don’t mind Gortat but not at 30million over 5 years. Centers with limited production just scare the crap out of me like Desagna Diop.
Marcin could also be Joel Pryzbilla but its hard to tell.
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by kingme18 on Jun 30, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could make for a boring summer
But it’s probably better than wasting the MLE.
I like Gortat but he’s destined to be overpaid. Maybe Fesenko could be pried away from Utah for a 2nd Rounder or we could sign the best undrafted rookie center to a minimum deal.
Wake me up when it’s over.
by nbrans on Jun 30, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides, I read somewhere that approximately 20 teams are expected to or have called about Gortat.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is really annoying to me
The Maloofs want the fans to start attending the games again and say they want to win, but their actions do not show it. Why should we spend our money on a team that is not even willing to use their available cap space(which we haven’t had in some time). I’m not saying we should waste it on a MLE type player but certainly an S&T or other trade would be possible. Also with the summer of 2k10 coming and the k9 contract a bargaining chip why not try to obtain a quality player now? Teams that are afraid of losing their guys in 2010 or teams looking to free some space have to be listening to offers this summer but will we be making any?
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The tweet stated that they were not going to make a splash in free agency...
…It didn’t say that they’re unwilling to explore trade opportunities, etc. I don’t see the point of bitching about ownership right now because they’ve said they aren’t gonna make a splash in free agency. There’s no one in I’m really all that interested in signing as FA this summer anyhow (maybe Ben Gordon at the right price). Boozer is not worth the $14M/yr he’s seeking, and Gordon is reportedly looking for $11M/yr. Besides, we don’t have enough to sign either player and I think both are seeking way too much.
There’s a difference between saying “no splash in free agency” and “we’re not making any offers for a sign and trade.” Clam down.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will not clam down
These owners are being shrimpy with their spending. Things are awfully fishy around here.
Seriously though, S&T is basically a move dictated by free angency and therefore lies under the category of free agency. I think I have every right to be frustrated with the organization. If there’s an opportunity to improve the team now than do it now. There’s no reason to be frugal if your trying to win and bring back the fans.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What free agents should they be going after?
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by vfettke on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to make offers for a big
Lee, Milsap, Boozer, Odom, Ariza, etc
I’m not trying to say overpay for these players but at least make a reasonable offer. All I’m saying is if the opportunity presents itself to make the team better now, than take in now.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is the only one the Kings should consider off this list.
Milsap is undersized, Boozer is a money grubbing whore, Odom is 30, Ariza is not worth the $$$ he is going to make and the Kings already have 4 other small forwards.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay you got me on Odom
didn’t realize he was 30. But I still say you at least try for the other 4, with a S&T involving Noc, K9 or possibly Beno if possible.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams don't do sign and trade for expiring contracts.
If you are the Orlando Magic and you don’t want to pay Hedo 10 million a year, you don’t pay Kenny Thomas 9 million for one season so someone else can have your small forward. If Orlando is going to be a willing participant, they wiil have to get something they value. If Nocioni has value to them then I think the Kings can deal for Hedo. If Orlando thinks they can use Anderson or sign a cheaper replacement then the Kings are going to be on their own in the hunt for Hedo. The only reason I believe that Orlando would deal with the Kings is because Noc has a poor mans Hedo game with a declining value contract (7.5, 7.0, 6.5- 4th year team option). Orlando doesn’t lose Hedo for nothing in this proposition, they get a guy who can shoot the three, is tougher than Hedo and plays better defense. What Noc can’t do is run an offense while a rookie point/two learns the ropes.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millsap
is a beast!
He’s not really undersized, jjham. Yeah, he’s only a little taller than 6’7" but he weighs almost 260 and he has a 7’1" plus wingspan with huge hands.
Plus, the kid is strong as an ox, and he’s quick. He’s got a nice feel for the game, and he’s already one of the most effective, instinctive rebounders in the NBA.
He’s worth two David Lee’s if you ask me.
The Kings would be soooo much tougher inside if we could sign Paul Millsap… but that’s just a pipe-dream I’m afraid.
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of the players you've mentioned here
can probably be had with the approx. $7 million available under the cap. Maybe Ariza. But is spending that money now on someone like Ariza really worth sacrificing the significant cap space you could have following Thomas’ expiring deal?
No. You stick with what you have and hope that the system implemented by Westphal can help the team win some more games this season and that the young core can get lots of playing time and improve. Next summer they could have a lot more money in a better off-season in terms of free agency, and more than likely another high lottery selection with lots of quality big men probably available.
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by sroufe on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
that all of these guys will probably be overpaid
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by aKingisBored on Jun 30, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
The market is down, the kings aren’t the only team with cap space that doesn’t want to spend it and teams are afraid to commit big money to these guys. It may be possible to get a solid player for 6-8 mil.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me for a sec
But this is an enterprise that lost a ton of money last year. I know that we tend to forget it sometimes, but the Maloofs owe it to themselves and their fans to be fiscally responsible.
Spending a ton (or even just an MLE worth) of money when they’re already in the red just doesn’t make sense. You can say that you have to spend money to make it, but I really don’t think a big splash is justified here. If we were on the cusp of greatness and the Maloofs weren’t willing to dish out the bucks, that would be one thing. But this is quite another. This is management and ownership not wanting to throw good money after bad.
by misterbrister on Jun 30, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing to consider
Does a free agent spalsh = lower ticket prices? Does it mean people in Sacramento will be able to afford to attend games? If not, then the “spend money to make money” argument no longer holds water. Look at Detroit last season. They had a good team on the floor, but the economic situation of the city resulted in big decreases in attendance and revenues.
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by Exhibit G on Jun 30, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
Unless the splash in FA creates a tidal wave of ticket sales, it’s not worth it for the front office.
by misterbrister on Jun 30, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood but how will we get to the cusp of greatness if we just sit on our thumbs?
don’t make the MLE mistake, but if you are losing money with your product you’ve got to try to improve your product.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we wait and see?
Hell, two weeks ago Amick was reporting that Flynn was the pick…then it was Curry for a short amount of time before it became apparent it was Flynn. Things change depending on the situation.
I’d just as soon wait and see how the market shakes out…let the big fish overpay for the Boozers of the world. Overpaying for one of the players you listed is about the worst thing the team could do right now.
With the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Tyreke Evans, STUD out of Memphis.
by otis29 on Jun 30, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I didn’t say I was outraged, just annoyed. I certainly don’t want them to mortgage the future for a stopgap, but that’s not what I was implying. Overpaying is not a reasonable option but if you can land some solid talent at a fair price, you do it. This summer will most likely be a buyers market, as many teams are unwilling to spend.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think that if a good trade is out there, that they won't do it.
Again, to make it clear, my point is two-fold:
First, it simply says they’re not going to make a splash via free agency. It said NOTHING about trades. If there’s a good trade that makes the team better, it’ll get done. Period.
Second, I’d rather save what little cap room we have this summer and combine it with next year’s cap space to get a substantial piece of the puzzle.
You say you don’t want them sitting on their thumbs, but I don’t want them tying their hands. Let’s say we bring in Odom or Lee. Maybe that means we miss out on an even better trade or free agent next season. All for the sake of doing “something”? No thanks, man. At this point I’m willing to be patient and build it the right way versus being stuck in capped-out mediocrity.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right and make good points but
The longer it takes to rebuild the less likely the team will remain in Sac. Whether the rebuild is flawed or not by signing someone this year doesn’t matter to the casual fan. The casual fan wants something to be excited about now even if that means picking a player that may not solve the problems of the franchise.
Also I highly doubt the ability of this team to draw one of the BIG names in next year FA pool no matter how much cap space we have.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Jun 30, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
But I disagree. I think the slow growth, future oriented tact that the team is taking shows that it is looking to stay.
Now if they were making big moves and doing funny things with the balance sheet, then I would be worried about the team moving.
by misterbrister on Jun 30, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking this same thing.
I like Sam Amick but his information changes daily. If the market says that someone is affordable that really shouldn’t be then I think Petrie might reserve judgment on the 8.5 million in cap-space.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to buy a Mercedes
you don’t spend your extra cash on a Yugo…you keep saving, or you eventually end up with 10 Yugos and no money
by ElRonToro on Jun 30, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Brilliant metaphor.
You said in one line what I was trying to get at in several paragraphs!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you calling Hedo a Yugo?
He’s no Beno.
by furious.d on Jun 30, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your 2010 Kings Roster...
With 7 Guys named Yugo, one K-TEC9
and a handful of promise.
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by gdub171 on Jun 30, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful what you wish for.
The Kings currently have 8-9 million in cap space. If paired with the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas now or at the deadline that figure becomes 17-18 million- a pretty nice chunk of change. If the Kings go out and spend now, they might be able to land a Gortat or another MLE player. If they wait until the deadline they might be able to a land a player of the 12-20 million dollar range do to teams looking to dump salary for next off-seasons FA boon.
I see two choices- make two moves (Gortat and sign/trade Hedo for Noc+) or make a pair of small moves (Fesenko and resign Diogu). Adding one player not only leaves the team incomplete- good enough to win a few more games but not enough to contend for a playoff spot and costing the team 5-10 spots in next years draft.
This is a process called rebuilding. It is not for the faint of heart. The temptation to spend is always going to be there but we have seen what signing mid-level-exemption players gets us….82 televised games that aren’t worth watching, an empty arena and the 4th pick in the draft.
Go big or go home.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely correct
I’m inclined to believe that by being patient and methodically building a team around a system is the right way to go. If we end up losing 50+ games again, but we have an identifiable system in place based on the moves/players that Petrie has done so far…well, then I think that’ll get people stoked on the team again and sell tickets, THEN we can net the best player for the direction we’re headed hence…a big splash. That’s the sequence: system, team, players…thats why signing millsap, boozer , etc just because we have cash doesn’t necessary make sense or ultimately a “big splash” aka wins.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 30, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much money did these shrimpy owners lose this year? $20 million? $25?
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by Bluejohn on Jun 30, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but
I think that a couple small tweaks here and there this could be a FUN team to watch. I’m not sure how many games we should expect. But, if all the young guys improve, KMart comes back healthy and plays to form, plus we get some added boosts from 09 picks - this in and of itself should get asses in seats while also not sabotaging our future flexibility. We really don’t know what we have yet, so let’s be patient and hopefully steal some games this year!
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 30, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cap space is fllexibility, especially at the trade deadline
Don’t give that flexibility away for a band aid.
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Exactamundo
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mikki & Beno
are two band aids that come to mind. Let’s definitely chill. No sense paying for someone who isn’t going to translate to wins or make the market more attractive to others.
by TheJust on Jun 30, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
if they don’t make a splash during FA, that’s fine. I think they’re “splash” comes at the trade deadline.
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by what_the_crap on Jun 30, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cap Space
Doesn’t sell tickets, but its important for this team to improve. Of course, its only important IF Petrie is a smart shopper. He needs a Divac-type splash in free agency to get this team back on track, whether that’s this offseason or next.
by PurplePurple on Jun 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
The Kings could have $12-$15 million in cap room next season if they do nothing and give someone a max or close to max deal in one of the best free agent classes in memory. Possibly more if they can, say, trade Nocioni for an expiring.
Or they could have $7-10 if they use the MLE on one of the middling players available this offseason.
Doing nothing starts looking pretty good when you look at it that way.
by nbrans on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MLE
Of course they have a little more than the MLE in cap room, but you know what I mean.
by nbrans on Jun 30, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't use the MLE if you have cap room.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 30, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you want to get technical
You can use the MLE if you have cap room. You have to renounce your MLE and the biannual exception and any cap holds in order to use cap room. But if, for instance, you don’t have more cap room than the MLE (say $3 million) you can still use the MLE even though you’re technically under the cap.
The reason the Kings situation (i.e. $7.5 million in cap room) is stuck in my brain as the MLE is that it’s basically the MLE plus the biannual exception.
Anyway, just a brain freeze.
by nbrans on Jun 30, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie Free Agents
An even cheaper option than trading for Fesenko or resigning Diogu is signing someone who wasn’t drafted like Petrie did in the past with Ronnie Price and Justin Williams. The two big guys that I’d be interested in seeing on the Kings’ summer league roster are Josh Heytvelt and/or John Bryant. I still can’t believe Heytvelt wasn’t drafted and think he will be on an NBA roster next season.
The Miami Heat made the playoffs last season with Joel Anthony playing 16 minutes a game at center. There are worse things…and I think spending a lot of money now would be one of them.
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by sroufe on Jun 30, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heyvelt and Bryant.
First up, I’m opposed to signing one of these guys but not to play real minutes. The Kings need someone who has at least played a few games in the league which is why I also question whether Bockman can even be considered as a viable option as a back-up 4. Fesenko is the most reasonable but maybe he isn’t available…we will know more later today when half the Utah Jazz team either stays or goes.
Personally, Heytvelt is a poor rebounding big who not only got busted with pot but psychedelics shrooms. Bryant looks like a stiff- I don’t really think of him as a legit NBA prospect.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see
how Brockman performs in Vegas in a couple weeks. I’m also certainly not against acquiring Fesenko if if can be done cheaply – which I believe it can. I also agree with you on Bryant. With Heytvelt however I’m intrigued. His drug issues were several years ago now and he reportedly has been in the clear ever since and performed more community service than he was required. He also, according to DX, rebounded very well in some pre-draft workouts – that’s why some mocks were projecting him to go as early as 27th or 28th overall.
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by sroufe on Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trying to be an ass but Bobby Brown tore up the summer leagues.
If Brockman gets serious minutes its because the Kings are playing for another top 5 pick.
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by jjham15 on Jun 30, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kings Summer League team is going to rip other teams apart. I’m so excited for completely meaningless play.
Victory is tasty.
by iashwash on Jun 30, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Donte goes for fifty this (off)season!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be sweet. I just want to see Tyreke crushing point guards, Donte shooting over anyone, Jason Thompson beasting, and Spencer Hawes weakside blocking everything. And Omri just running around making hell for everybody.
Victory is tasty.
by iashwash on Jun 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
evans will still be playing amongst boys...
most of the guys in summer league are scrubs except a few players on each team. Evans won’t be challenged physically until the preseason…sucks, we’ll have to wait until then to really see him make an adjustment
by KingsForLife on Jul 1, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how depressing would it be
if Evans stunk it up?
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by Ellimist on Jul 1, 2009 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have the Kings announced their summer league roster yet?
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by Bluejohn on Jun 30, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be announced anytime though
Last year I think it was announced on July 2nd.
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by sroufe on Jun 30, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should
buy your season tickets now
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where
did I advocate Brockman getting “serious” minutes? The games in Vegas should at least provide some information as to whether he belongs in training camp in October or not. If he does make the roster, I still don’t see him playing more than 5-10 MPG.
"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ
by sroufe on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer
Looks like Boozer is staying in Utah according to ESPN.
by chriswebb86 on Jun 30, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about..
Sean Williams from New jersey via trade? He’s an athletic 6’11 shot blocker. the guy wants out, plus this is the last year of his contract. thoughts?
by El Scorcho on Jun 30, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sean Williams
He could be someone interesting to look at.
by chriswebb86 on Jun 30, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's more like 6'8"
and he has some serious character issues. The kings wouldn’t pick him up if you paid them.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 30, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's in a contract year
the kings got nothing to lose in trading for him. I would give up a future 2nd rounder for him.
by El Scorcho on Jun 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Hedo?
I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you. Would rather not see Diogu though.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rod Benson
Hell of a rebounder and I like his blogging skills.
by misterbrister on Jun 30, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I want Jerry Lucas.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings are not signing any big free agents this year
In terms of free agency, signing a serviceable back-up center is all anyone should expect.
In terms of trades, I have no idea what might happen other than to say In Geoff We Trust. I would quickly add the caveat that the last really good trade Petrie made (in terms of talent, not salary dumping) was probably the J-Will for Bibby trade, and that was 8 years ago. The verdict is still out on the Artest for B-Jax, Donté, and #23 (Casspi) trade, although I don’t question the wisdom of unloading Artest—-the guy would have gone nuclear on last year’s team.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jun 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The kings should just sit and give ppl minutes
Short of some miracle this year has to be a development year. Why sign anyone in Free Agencey that is 28 + and necessitates a win now environment to be of any worth. If Ikes Cheap and will take a 1 year contract i guess it’s no harm no foul.
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by Bushka on Jun 30, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy your vacation Sam!
With the likes of Alien Vendetta reporting while your away, you have nothing to worry about job security wise….And besides, the MaGoofs are broke and cant make a big splash in the Free Agent market anyway. They SHOULD and NEED to spend money on some vets to lead this rag-tag group, but they wont.
Come ON Magoofs! Your becoming the Lew Wolfe of Basketball! You gotta spend a little money to MAKE a little money! How about a decent vet big man to rotate in with the young frontcourt? Just a thought. A Gortat perhaps? Or a Brandon Bass? You can use a midlevel amount of money on a decent front court player right? Do you really think Ike Diogu is the answer? Really? Come on REALLY? No seriously… REALLY?
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Jun 30, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fans who post Magoof
are just lame and moronic.
by ElRonToro on Jun 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ELRONTORO
Sounds like a bad porno name… What is your point?
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ElRon...
DNFTT.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention this douche advocates signing a "vet" like Gortat...
…who has two years of NBA experience. Or Bass, who is a seasoned NBA vet at 24 years old. LOL!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The MaGoofs need to save their cash
Perhaps pick up a low budget center for 1-2 years at 1-2 mil. This team aint going anywhere soon. The Kings need their front court to grow up. They need Evans to find his game. They have a lot of problems that will be solved by waiting. Time is needed for this team to mature. Not a big splash is probably a good idea. Possibly a sign and trade with the one or two of the multitude of wing players we have for a backup center who isnt worthless. Saving the cash for 2010 will be useless if you have a team no one wants to join because they are pathetic. Free agents tend to go to teams that MIGHT win. Right now the Kings are NOT a team that might win. They are for sure a team that might lose a lot. If the Kings can get a player who can be added to the front court rotation for a year or 2, they should make a little splash and then stand pat with what they got. Hunker down and save up that cap room just in case Petrie can persuade a REAL free agent to sign here and MAYBE make a push at the playoff in 2011. By then we will most likely have 2 more lottery draft picks and a mature front court ready to compete.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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