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Reading Into a Delay: Is Kurt Rambis the Next Kings Coach?

One day after Sam Amick let his impatience with the Kings coaching search show, Ailene Voisin lets her impatience with the Kings coaching search show. I'd normally be in the same boat, itching to move on past the disaster of 2008-09. But for some reason, I'm not feeling particularly ... err, impatient.

Besides the draft and the Finals, here's a reason why: to these novice and uninformed eyes, the delay bolsters Kurt Rambis, a prospect I'm a fan of. Think about Geoff Petrie's style for a moment. Secretive, yes. Unconventional, yes. Completely, hopelessly by the book? Yes.

Tom Thibodeau is not currently under contract with the Celtics, but Petrie asked permission to interview him. He plays by the book. Petrie refused to contact either Byron Scott's agent or George Shinn, despite the Hornets practically begging some other team to rid them of their problem. He plays by the book. A few years ago, there was a story by Amick in which Petrie left civilization for the goofy July moratorium, the period in which you cannot legally sign another team's free agents or consummate trades (though teams regularly work out every detail but the signature). Petrie took off to Tahoe so he wouldn't be goaded by agents or GMs to get deals done during the period in which you're technically not supposed to get deals done. He plays completely, hopelessly, utterly by the book.

He has already interviewed Rambis, which is actually a bit for the likes of Petrie. He'd normally wait until a team had been knocked out or won a title before interviewing an assistant, but he made an exception for Rambis (and dare I say for the [redacted]). But there's a step too far in Petrie's head, I imagine, a step in which you announce the top assistant for a team one game into the Finals will be your next head coach. That's a bit bold, a bit ... outside the guidelines of tact. Sure, Phil Jackson effectively killed Rick Adelman's Sacramento tenure. The [redacted] effectively prevented Petrie's master work in the late '90s and early '00s from earning that precious championship. But Petrie's a man of professional decency (or at least his own definition of professional decency, though I think we can agree he'd fit in almost any defintion of professional decency) and potentially couldn't bring himself to upstage the Finals to an admittedly minor degree, even if he's made his decision.

In other words: if it were Westphal or Thibodeau, there'd be no reason to wait.

Except ...

It took Petrie two weeks to can Kenny Natt, didn't it? And it took quite nearly a month to interview Eddie Jordan, didn't it?

Man, this guy works slow. Forget everything I said. Like everyone else, I have no clue.

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Interesting theory

I’ll buy it, just to keep me patient for a couple more weeks.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 5, 2009 5:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Slow is right

Slow as freaking molasses…I’m not sure I’ll ever get used to that. I wish he would get to it though. Analyzing the draft and the draftees 1000 different ways is getting tiresome (no offense intended to anyone here).

It would be nice to have something tangible to talk about in the time leading up to draft night.

by otis29 on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Methodical is more accurate

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Request for Ziller

TZ, I’m assuming you’re the only one on the site that has anything that resembles a pipeline into the SacBee Sports writing staff, so I’ve got to ask you, “Can we please get Amick to get us some feedback on why the Kings have not contacted Johnson or Messina?” I don’t read the Bee everyday but I have not heard a single question asked re: the other, younger, more successful, candidates out there. Do we have any press on this at all?

by BrooklynFan on Jun 5, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Those won't be contacted

Avery Johnson won’t get an interview because he’s Avery Johnson. I’m sorry but he led his team very well in the regular season but let his team implode when it counted.

As far as Messina goes, Petrie doesn’t want to experiment too much, because that’s what Muss and Theus apparently were, which I don’t really buy. My problem with the past two coaching searches has been the like of any major risk, such as hiring a Euro coach. I’d personally love to see Messina on the sideline.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have my speculations as well

But I am curious if we have had any reporting on it, on the record comments.

Re: Johnson, I think “letting his team implode” can be justifiably debated. A young coaching Johnson got schooled by his mentor, his team got beat by their former coach. It’s a common master-student phenomena.

by BrooklynFan on Jun 5, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just like all other head coaches not named

Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich…

Teams that lose in the playoffs and not win a championship goes out.

DO NOT BLAME THE COACH FOR LETTING HIS TEAM IMPLODE. HIS TEAM IMPLODED BECAUSE HIS PLAYERS WERE MENTALLY SOFT.

HE MADE WONDERFUL ADJUSTMENTS IN 2006 PLAYOFFS WHEN HE TOOK THE MAVS TO THE NBA FINALS. DON’T BLAME HIM FOR HIS TEAMS’ OWN WOES.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jun 5, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

I CAN’T HEAR YOU. SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER NEXT TIME.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 5, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting point here
Except …

It took Petrie two weeks to can Kenny Natt, didn’t it?

My counter-argument to your counter-argument is that it did take Petrie two weeks to fire Natt. But I’m willing to bet large sums of money that he decided Natt’s fate before the end of the season, he just didn’t make anything official. For this search he apparently has 3 candidates, all of whom have been interviewed. If it is going to be one of these 3, then he probably knows who it is already and there is definitely a very good chance it is Rambis. If it were Westphal, then why wait? He was interviewed a couple weeks ago, and there’s no other interviews scheduled as of now. Your point makes a lot more sense than even you think Ziller

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by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it's the timing of this deal

Petrie moves slow, and the timing of his family issue and draft workout’s has impeded progress.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very true

But I’m almost certain he’s made his decision already. And I really hope its a long time assistant for the winningest coach in the NBA

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by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good way to look at it

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 5, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that

Auerbach’s assistant are a little too old for this job, lol

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Jun 5, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

assistantS

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Jun 5, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's weird

because Phil has 100 more wins than Auerbach and his winning % is 10% higher

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by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only count rings.

It’s like saying that Mike Brown this year has been more winning than SVG and Phil Jackson…but no ring, no winning

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once again

that’s also weird since they both have 9 rings as a coach

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by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's always the right time

to joke on the [Redacted]

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Jun 5, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny

I’m at the exact opposite of you. Rambis is what he is. I prefer Westphal. Call me nuts.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow Pookey

We agree again. I better check my meds.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should read

Only an asshole Jack Morman agrees with that butthead.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point I think I'd prefer Rambis

but I’m not against a Westphal hire. Especially if he can bring Elie and Porter along

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 5, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

the number 4 pick and the head coaching position are

two of the most important decisions of his GM career
you’d take your time too

by Brian5517209 on Jun 5, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

I actually thought about writing a post along these lines, but figured I’d come across as really speculative and without any supporting information. Since Voisin already has that market covered, I decided against it.

But you’re absolutely right. Petrie’s legacy will be defined by this offseason. Either he gets the team back on track and orchestrates another marvelous turnaround, or he makes mistakes and puts his reputation into question. He pulled off a near-miracle turnaround once, but has had some questionable decisions along the way since then. Tough to say if he’ll stick around after his current contract is up, so this could be the finishing touches. In Geoff Petrie we Trust, but this is the pressure of being Geoff Petrie.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 5, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

Unless one of those decisions turns out to be a home run, this is the year fans start turning on him

by henryclemente on Jun 5, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to Ailene

GP has come up with a new way to finalize the coach this year. It’s supposed to be fool-proof. Just as an FYI, I think Messina is the guy with the horsehead—being the dark horse and all.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 5, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Pensive and ponderous, dignified and deliberate (in this case, both verb and adjective definititions) - there are worse things to call someone

It is my best guess that Mr. Petrie has his own schedule and agenda and it sticking to it. He will pick someone before the draft, probably by the week prior. It may be Rambis, it may be that he wants to delay because he does not want to distract Rambis if he choses otherwise.

I suspect, as do you, that the choice is Rambis. But, a different choice would not surprise anyone. I am confused that neither Bzdelik or Buchenholzer were interviewed. But as there was no public statement about JVG, Avery Johnson or Fratello either, the discusssion was not for our ears.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 5, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Rambis makes sense because...

Wasn’t there some energy of having Vlade be an assistant? If Rambis is the guy then I would assume Vlade become redundant as another former big with a conflicting philosphy on defense er, pick n roll, pass, flop v. deny post, hustle and dive for loose balls? I could see vlade being a support role if it were Messina.

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 5, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Vlade is content being the King of Serbia

I don’t think he has the time for assistant coaching, he is very engaged in his humanitarian efforts.

We have been “hinted” that if Westphal is the choice his assistants may be Terry Porter and Mario Elie. Any word on Rambis assistants, or Thibodeua assistants?

by betweentheeyes on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Ziller's right about by the book, then...

Then Petrie hires an assistant from the most successful coach(s) in NBA History (sorry Red, I still have that stogie ready to light). Rambis or Johnson (not)

Or Based on what he said publicly, he hires the most successful NBA Coach, not signed, Westphal (hope not), Fratello (too old) or Van Gundy

Or he he hires the most unconventional guy on the market that helps accelerate his proven yet unconventional scouting talent pool of Euro Players. Messina

Or we just continue to cry as those yellow shirt cocky bastards run away with another Title. I hate this game!

by SactownheartOChouse on Jun 5, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

As much as we all want Messina...

no interview = no job. Nonetheless, I’d be happy with Rambis. He has had championship success at all levels, has been learing to coach a very fluid offense, and knows how to take a clothesline.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Jun 5, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

But

Is his hair keeping him from being sexy enough for Ailene?

That picture. Yikes!

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

What

Just because it looks like he’s wearing a monkey butt on his head?

A couple treatments of this will fix him right up.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you were busy writing......?

Get back to work, slacker.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 5, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can write and post at the same time

with just a small hit of Anti Monkey Butt Powder

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 5, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can sprinkle monkey butt in powder

You should give up writing and just rule the universe.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

That’s my job.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 5, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow SB

You got a good one. You rule the universe while LPA sprinkles monkey butt in power. (Never let her go mayne!)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

powder^

Sigh @ my typos.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Petrie's spent a lot of time in Europe lately...

It is possible that Petrie has already interviewed Messina once and maybe even twice.Our crack team of Bee writers haven’t been on the Euro beat so I wouldn’t put it past GP to have a secret rendezvous in an Austrian mountainous villa.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 5, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my
I wouldn’t put it past GP to have a secret rendezvous in an Austrian mountainous villa.

You’ve got my heart all atwitter

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 5, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay Sylvester Stallone

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 5, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The guy is so damn secretive...

 Funny thing is he has us ALL trying to figure him out. I think Petrie relishes making people wonder what he is up to. I think he enjoys making people guess and miss on trying to gauge how or in what direction he is going to go in. If you had to follow Petrie in a car, and he was leading you somewhere to meet up later, I think he would TRY to lose you! The guy just prides himself on making decisions that no one else can predict. And his decisions more often than not are good ones. Maybe not the best choices when looking back in hindsight, but he always makes good decisions that no one had a clue he would make.

  It’s quite possible he brings in a European coach with lots of talent and playoff experience (albeit in a altogether different league). That would be the kind of radical decision Petrie is likely to make. The guy never lets on what he’s thinking, and he NEVER says anything that gives you even a CLUE what he is going to do. I’d hate to play poker with the guy.

 I just hope he makes the decision soon so we can start the debate in earnest about who he and the new coach should draft. In fact, who he picks as a coach might be a clue as to who he wants to draft, but maybe it wont. Petrie is a tough bird to figure out. He really needs to hit home runs on the coaching selection AND the draft this year. I do believe his job is on the line this time. I think Petrie is an above average GM, and I personally would hate to see him go, but if he doesn’t make the right decisions on a manager and the draft (no matter how secretive and unguessable those choices are) he will not be making them for the MaGoofs for much longer.

 I really hope he chooses Westphal for 2 reasons.

1) Westphal is in no way connected to the hated Fakers organization as far as I can tell.

2) Westphal, even with the recent crater he left at Pepperdine and the collapse in Seattle at the end of his tenure there, he still appears to be better and more experienced than Rambis.

  Rambis has 3 playoff wins on his resume. Westphal has 27 playoff wins. Westphal, for all his failings, has been there and done that. Rambis has proved nothing in his short coaching career. Rambis’s made the Western Conference Semi Finals once as a coach and was swept 4-0 by the eventual champion Spurs.

  Westphal WON the ’93 Western Conference FINALS, and lost in the NBA FINALS 4-2 to a Bulls team with some dude named Jordan playing for them.

  If Playoffs, and winning a championship are the GOAL, shouldn’t you pick a coach that has a track record of at least making it to the finals? If you are looking for an experienced coach, who has “Some Success at the NBA level as a HEAD COACH”, then isn’t Westphal the better choice of the two? Unless there is something REALLY bad we just don’t know about Westphal, or something REALLY good that we just don’t know about Rambis, the facts are pretty clear about who is more qualified.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Jun 6, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rambis

If Jackson wins with the Lakers would it not be unreasonable to assume that he might be done as coach and Rambis might get the Lakers gig next year (assuming he is the head coach in waiting)??

If Phil stays to ride the Kobe train into the ground, then he retires or goes off to coach whatever team Lebron is on, will the Laker job be that good a job then. Take Kobe off the Lakers and thats a pretty average team, Fisher has a fork in him, Farmer and eyechart (who here can spell sasha vujacic without looking it up) are average at best, Gasol has talent but isn’t a star by himself he didn’t do much in Memphis, Odom turns up once a week, they have a bunch of role guys like Walton and Ariza who are just that. Would Rambis really see that as being better than the Kings job?

I don’t agree with Napaer on many things but in this case the new Kings coach is a some minor issue in turning the team around, when getting better talent on board would make much more of a difference.

by Murf on Jun 5, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, you got to hand it to the Petrie...

He’s principled and he’s very tenacious. Albeit in a maddeningly slow and methodical way. Petrie is NOT a knee jerk reactionary kind of dude. He is willing to let opportunity pass in for the sake of process and principle. There is something to be said for being principled (Lord knows, no one else in the NBA has much principle). But on the other hand there is also something to be said for “he who hesitates is lost” too.

  I am not certain Petrie had any interest in Jordan at all. It seems he interviewed Jordan just to do his due diligence, but I believe he did not have any intention of hiring Jordan. Petrie knew Jordan as well as anyone in the league, and if Jordan was the right guy, Geoff already had all the information he needed to hire him way BEFORE that interview. I think Petrie sees a flaw in Jordan that wasn’t acceptable to him. I don’t think it was money like others speculate. What that flaw is we will probably never know because Petrie is about as open as a CIA Operative.

  By that same token, it would seem he sees something in Rambus that intrigues him, because he has delayed the decision on Westphal for some reason (I don’t think Thibodeau is even in the running. He just doesn’t fit the criteria set forth…). Westphal, for all his questionable coaching history is technically qualified for the job. I do not believe either Westphal or Rambus would try to hold out for more money. I think these 2 canidates are pretty close to costing the same. So Petrie is weighing the pluses and minuses of these 2, and something about Westphal is keeping Rambus in the running.

 I do NOT like Rambus mostly because he bleeds Purple and Gold. He is a dyed in the wool FAKER! It would be very distasteful to have a FAKER lover as our head coach. Personally I do not see what it is about Westphal that is causing this delay. But if Petrie is reticent to hire him, I think you have to give Petrie the power to make this choice Don’t kid yourself, this choice is DO or DIE for Petrie. If he makes the wrong choice here, it most likely will be his last bad choice as GM of the Kings. Haveing looked pretty deeply into Westphal’s coaching in Phoenix, Seattle, and even his short stint at Pepperdine, I can’t find anything that jumps out at you that says DO NOT HIRE.

  Rambis, on the other hand didn’t really do all that well as the Faker fill in coach for the short time he was the Head Faker. He went (24-13) in the strike shortened season of 1998 with Kobe, Shaq, Glen Rice, Fisher, Eddie Jones, and Rodman. It was Kobe’s 2nd year, but all in all that team WAY underperformed. They were ranked 23rd out of 29 on defense. With Shaq being a dominant force, they should have been a WAY better defensively. Shaq was in his prime. They were swept by a San Antonio team that went on to win the championship. Still, when you look at Rambis’s coaching that year its very underwhelming. Sure, Rambis has gotten a lot more experience since then, but I do not see what it is that attracts Petrie to Rambis.

 On the other hand, Westphal’s coaching experience was pretty good,. 1993 – 95 he had 3 winning seasons. in ’93 he lost in the finals to Jordan. No shame in that. Then he went to Seattle where 1999 – 2001 he posted a winning record. In 1999/2000 season, the Supersonics were 45-37 and took a team of Gary Payton, Vin Baker, and a bunch of role players to the Western Conference finals where they lost to the Jazz 3-2. The Jazz were by far a better team with Malone and Stockton in their prime.

 So on coaching alone, Westphal looks like the better candidate. So WHY is Petrie slow to pull the trigger on Westphal? The turmoil on the Seattle team was mostly caused by Gary (I can’t shut my freeking mouth) Payton. Hopefully a choice will be made soon and we can all blog about the merit of the choice.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

There are paragraphs here

Maybe I should stop being so cynical.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome post

Ziller you da man!!

Oakland Raider fan till I DIE!!!

by Robby1987 on Jun 6, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions  

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