Brian McCormick on the Development of Donté Greene
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For whatever reason...
Greene is the one Kings asset, more than Martin or Thompson or the second first round draft pick, I’m most wary of getting rid of in any potential impending trades. This makes me feel a little less irrational for feeling that way.
by rbiegler on Jun 8, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Donte has the most talent of any player on the Kings too
Easily the best possible player to become an elite 2 way talent.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have the lateral quickness??
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by Holmdel on Jun 9, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Does he?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donte is ultimately responsible for his development
but I couldn’t help coming away from this article thinking, man, we need a coach. And a good one. Can’t afford to screw up this time.
by LPKingsFan on Jun 8, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Rambis would be really good for us.
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by Holmdel on Jun 9, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until the losses mount and we realize to our horror that our half-full glass is actually...
half-empty!!! Aaaaaaaah!!
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by Holmdel on Jun 9, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Kings fan...
….the Glass is always half full.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
It made me think of how apparently passive our coaches were last season, leaving him on the court why he is repeating the same mistakes he always has. I agree with McCormick that coaching needs to take over a bit and base Donte’s playing time on good behavior and progressing: “Donte, you’re in. But before you take a single damned jumpshot, I want you to get an offensive board. After you do that, you can shoot as you wish knowing that the first bad shot I see you take you’ll be back here hanging with K-9.” Something like that. From a coaching perspective, shot selection has got to be one of the easiest things to address. Is it just my imagination that it’s that easy to address, if not fix? It seems like it wasn’t even addressed by coaching staff last year.
by DustyG on Jun 9, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just your imagination.....
Yeah yeah….just your imagination…..
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 9, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great read
Some great points in there, for sure. A few years from now we’ll look back at the development of Greene. Either we’ll admire the leap he made, or shake our heads at another guy who couldn’t turn that corner. I hope he doesn’t join the ranks as the next Quincy Douby.
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by Exhibit G on Jun 8, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seeing what became of Quincy, or what didn’t become of Q, might motivate Donte. Last year is over and done, so let’s move on, but it was still disappointing he seemed to regress, got worse with more time on the court. I would expect the guy to have a few shining moments when it counted least. I have my doubts, but I am still rooting the guy.
by bench_blob on Jun 8, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see the positives of what you are saying
but I don’t understand the whole thing about regressing and getting worse with more time on the court. The guy would play like 10 minutes one game, then not play for a couple games, and then play 25. Yes, he shot too many 3s and he seemed out of place on the court sometimes, but who was teaching him what to do?? Kenny Natt??
This is not really a response to your comment bench because I’ve heard exactly what you have said many times from different people around here. I’m just using this space as the opportunity to express my frustration. Donte was the 28th pick in the draft so based on past results he’s pretty lucky that some people see a future in the league for him. He has the physical tools (which are hard to find) and he’s only 21.
Everytime I think of Donte’s potential I remember the New Orleans game. Crazy that people never mention this. He had 15 points with some nice, if I may say, buckets. Yes, it’s one game and aside from that he only had 2 boards and an assist, but if people get excited about two really good games for Ike freaking Diogu, a lottery pick who’s expected to contribute, why can’t some get excited about a 21-year-old kid with a lot (a lot!) of potential?
Did Donte get worse as the season went by? In a way, he did. But what was expected of him? I feel like Natt just threw him out there and told him “hey kid, go in there and develop your game.” As much as his shot selection got worse, his rebounding got a little better, and his defense got much better.
Everyone questions his maturity and I guess it’s a fair concern, but he will grow sometime soon, and if he works hard at his craft and gets the right teacher to guide him he WILL become something special. We are all rooting for the guy, but some of us have more hope than others.
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 8, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this guy?
And why does he compare Greene to a 17 year old swedish girl? I guess I understand the point, but not the comparison.
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by BPaoliano on Jun 8, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it had
something to do with his stroke…but maybe I misread.
by ElRonToro on Jun 8, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just saying...
if he wanted to use Turkoglu, or Rashard Lewis’ versatile games to inspire Donte, I’d get that. Instead he talks about an underachieving Swedish, teenage girl who he prods with small goals??
Swing and a miss.
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by BPaoliano on Jun 8, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I got
To groom a young player with a lot of potential and physical skills you have to set small goals and show them how they can earn playing time. Sounds like Donte to me
by eduardo_m7 on Jun 8, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because you know less about B-Mac than some of us who are used to him and his points
I don’t agree with everything he says, but I understand his overall points. I just think he missed the point that Shane Battier has an atypical type of game that suits his physical and mental talents. That is not Donte. Donte is a matchup nightmare for SF/PF’s offensively. And, he can definitely take over on the boards and defensively. All that is very possible for him. But, Rome wasn’t built in a day. He needs to take steps on both ends.
I can’t see him doing as well under Rambis, but thats me. Maybe Rambis has something I don’t see right now. Maybe I’m overrating Westphal and his past, but I doubt it.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of right now
I really don’t care who the coach is between Westphal, Rambis, or Thibodeau is. They’re all mediocre to decent picks to me. I’m sort of dissappointed Messina wasn’t at least talked to or considered, but hey what do I know, I’m not an NBA GM. I just want this coaching search done already.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 8, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He used her
as an example of what he did as a coach to develop a young player
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by vfettke on Jun 8, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then that was
a bad example.
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by BPaoliano on Jun 10, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's one of the best basketball writers and minds out there
and what he was saying was an example out of his own personal experiences as a coach. What he was demonstrating was a how a young player who’s not a star can make themselves valuable to their team by contributing on defense.
é ended the season straddling the fence, leaving many feeling like he could be one of the best players on the team and others believing that he is a classic case of 3 and out that he represents wasted talent that will end up scratching out a living bouncing between Europe, the D league, 10 day contracts etc. Either side can make a pretty good case.
He wasn’t comparing é’s game to the Swedish girls game at all, he was comparing situations and how a marginal player can turn themselves into a valuable player.
It’s good advice, I hope é takes it. As a fan I would happily forgo the “Donté Greene Show” and hope to start seeing é’s game show on the court and for him to start to live up to the “potential” so many see in him.
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by Bluejohn on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like
the Donte Greene show and Donte being one of the more likeable athletes I’ve seen, I do wonder if his extrovert personality could hinder his basketball development. It’s certainly better than being a huge partier or huge a-hole which is something we might not know about, but I didn’t like reading that Donte wasn’t staying after practice to work on his game like Shock and Hawes were. I hope he realizes that next year is a big year for him to show something. I just hope come October we’re not seeing him jack five contested threes a game in the preseason.
smell the ashes
by iamstern'skippah! on Jun 8, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Luckily for Donte though,
being an extrovert in Sacramento is safer than a big city.
by Bitgod on Jun 9, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should start some sort of Twitter campaign
where we spam the shit out of Donte’s Twitter account begging him to live up to his potential.
I really do hope the kid finds it within himself to get motivated and destroy the competition. Dude could be a nightmare. He has the type of skillset to be just as efficient a scorer as Kevin in much the same way (getting to the basket/line or scoring from the outside). Plus, the guy creates matchup problems for everybody. He’s bigger than most SFs, and faster than most PFs. Adding some strength would definitely help him out in both situations. B-Mac’s Durant comparison is just about perfect. Obviously Donte’s nowhere near the level, but I’d like to see him strive to be
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by vfettke on Jun 8, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd join that
Dude, you just gave me a great idea. I’m going to try to interview Donte for STR. How cool would that be? Gonna make me a twitter now and see what happens.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 8, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should ask him to join us as a monthly diary poster.
Brad Ziggler has long been a member of AthleticsNation (A’s SBNation site) and during his run through the minors he posted information- both personal and professional which really helped build his fan base when he made it to the majors. Making it to the bigs is a huge deal for a player and his family but Zigglers promotion sent a buzz through hundreds (if not more) of die hard fans. Donté has a persona on Youtube which is fun but lacks depth. Being interviewed on a regular basis could help us connect to him, learn more about him and other players and allow us to see him grow. If someone has an in with the players I would suggest you ask for the opportunity to interview a player like Greene.
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.
by jjham15 on Jun 8, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of ifs and maybes' on Donte'
lets hope for a real surge!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 9, 2009 12:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what she said!
wait..
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by submison on Jun 9, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonderful piece
calling out Greene.
Good advice about making yourself a valuable addition to the team. Earn minutes, show growth. Develop into a player by climbing the ladder one rung at a time and carry the expectations to bolster your rise.
He points out how Dontè has special assets that few others possess, and as Kings fans we know he adds that engaging personality. I am hopeful that the will to reach for his potential was factored in when the Kings traded for him.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 9, 2009 1:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad piece
Easier said than done to “become” the player that can guard the other top F’s in the league on a nightly basis, and I suspect if you weren’t on your way towards becoming that kind of player in high school and college, you never will be. Battier didn’t just “turn it on” after college, THAT WAS WHAT HES ALWAYS BEEN. At this point, no matter what he works on, Greene will be “what he’s always been” a tall, athletic shooter – albeit one that can work on his shooting decision making and defense to an extent.
I think that Greene has fantastic potential, however, shoehorning into a role ill-suited for him – ie defensive stopper – is going to be worse off for his confidence and development, than working off of the attributes and abilities he already has.
by Citadel 29 on Jun 9, 2009 4:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A hard sell
Donte I would think wants to become a star, so becoming a defensive stopper is the way to go. Bruce Bowen in his prime was respected (while not well liked), is that what you think his upside is? To me yeh if he became a better defensive player thats great but if he is a legit threat to score isn’t that a better outcome for the Kings
by Murf on Jun 9, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting defensive minutes is a well established route to getting minutes period for a young player.
The bottom line is that you can’t score from the bench.
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by Bluejohn on Jun 9, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs


















