Putting the "Build" in "Rebuilding"
I started this as a response on the Boozer post and realized it was really too long for that. I keep reading that we shouldn’t sign this player or that player because we are "rebuilding." By its very nature, rebuilding is tearing something down—or starting with it torn down—and making the same thing or something newer and better. Clearly we are rebuilding. But what phase are we in?
There are two kinds of demolition—intentional and unintentional. The Clippers would be a great example of unintentional demolition. They don’t mean to give away all their best talent, they just do. I think most of us would agree the our demolition phase started unintentionally when Webber injured his knee. We didn’t know it at the time, but we had reached our peak and began the decent. The process sped up as we lost Vlade, Christie, Peja, etc.
A few of us clung to the hope that we had already hit bottom, and keeping players like Artest would help us rebound more quickly. Clearly Kings management didn’t feel that way. Last year we went into full blown, intentional, damn-the-torpedoes, wrecking ball teardown. I would say the last part of that process will be complete when K-9 (woof) goes bye-bye. Since Webber got injured, we have replaced every player on the team. (Yeah, we got B-Jax back, but now he’s probably gone again.) You don’t get much lower than worst in the NBA.
This would put us in the "building" phase. The goal of building is to get us back into the playoffs and hopefully ring contention. How we do this—especially how quickly we do this—depends on what we want to have when all is said and done, which I’ll explore shortly. First we need to know what our base and is, how we can build on it. Let’s take a look at what we have to work with.
(Continued after the jump)
PG:
Evans—Hopefully Tyreke is a long term solution at the point guard. Considering that we had our choice of any point in a point-heavy draft, we have to assume this is the guy to get the team back to the playoffs, or we screwed up big time. Obviously we don’t have a crystal ball, but it is not unreasonable to assume Evans may be a future All-Star.
Rodriguez—Possibly a long term solution, but we have to remember he was essentially given away. He could just need a different system, but we shouldn’t place our hopes too high.
Beno—Best case is a slightly overpaid back-up or traded away if Rodriguez fills that role. Worst case, a new contract to hate.
Overview: On a scale of 1-10 for the PG lineup to take us to the playoffs and beyond, this has to be a solid 7. We don’t really know what we have for sure. But having a future All-Star at point is never a bad thing. And back-ups are in place.
SG:
K-Mart—I know we talk about trading him a lot. He certainly has value. If we were still tearing down, he would be a great trading chip for another young. But however you look at it, he is a great value for his productivity if he stays healthy and we surround him with a couple of defensive stoppers. If we compare him to our championship caliber teams, I place him at or above Peja.
Garcia—Is Garcia a part of a championship squad? Possibly. Definitely not a starter, and maybe not even a sixth man on a team that wins a ring. But considering his defense, intensity, ability to make clutch shots, etc, I think he is at least a definite seventh or eighth man. A good piece to have around, but tradable for the right deal.
?—Don’t know that we have anyone else at this point we really want backing up the 2 spot.
Overview: Could a team win a championship with K-mart and Garcia at the 2? I say yes . . . if they have at least one All-Star, and one other All-Star or near All-Star. I’m going to give us an 8 here, just because K-Mart could start—and shine—for most teams in the NBA.
SF:
You know things are starting to get dicey when you can’t even decide for sure which player should be your SF of the future. But let’s see what we’ve got.
Nocioni—He’s a career 11/5 guy with grit and hustle. His contract is probably a little high, but not enough to make it untradeable. Those numbers aren’t bad. But Chicago—a team that was trying to push deep into the playoffs traded him for Salmons. I could see him as an off the bench, hustle guy. Or even a starter if we had him surrounded with three top tier players. He would probably not start for most championship contenders, but he could start for a playoff team.
Greene—I’m listing Greene above Casspi only because of his time with the team here. The best that can be said of Greene at this point is potential. He was amazing in college and lit up the summer league last year. But at this point I’d put his chances of being a top tier player at about the same odds of him not being with the team by the time we reach the playoffs. He is a total question mark at this point.
Casspi—Again, a big question mark. Looks like a good risk at the 23rd pick. But we can’t say yes or no as to whether he is part of our future.
Overview: This is probably the toughest call of the bunch. We have some exciting young prospects and a gritty veteran who brings some needed toughness. But at the same time, we don’t have anyone who would definitely start on a team looking to go deep into the playoffs. I think the best I can rate us here is 4.
PF:
JT—Is he a key part of our future? Yes. No. Maybe. He’s good enough that most of us don’t want to see him traded. He’s questionable enough that everyone with any sense would have cheered had we landed the first pick and taken Griffin. Again, he has lots of potential. He’s only played for a year, and already teams are trying to get him from us. But for every good thing he does, he does something very poorly. At this point he can score and rebound, but he is not the inside defensive presence a championship team needs. In short, he is a rookie.
Brockman—He could be the next Scott Pollard, or he could be the next Sheldon Williams.
Overview: Realistically, I have to assign an incomplete here. JT appears to be a stud in the making. 11/7 for a rookie is nothing to scoff at. Probably a steal at where he was picked. But is he the starting forward of a playoff team? Not yet. If he doesn’t turn into the starter we need, or if he gets hurt, there is nothing behind him.
Center:
Hawes—Of all the positions, this is where I would expect to get the biggest disagreements. I think we have a future All-Star center on our team. LPA is not so sure. He is not an All-Star player yet. But he has shown some signs of greatness—in spurts. He has also shown that he is capable of losing focus when things don’t go his way. His numbers last year were virtually identical to JT, even though it was his second year in the league. Not even good enough to get him into the 2nd year All-Star game. But, when you consider that he is actually almost two years younger than JT, and was injured most of his first season, it makes you wonder what he might be capable of if he continues to progress at the rate he has over the last two years. None-the-less, despite my optimism, he would not start for almost any playoff team at this point in his career.
?—We don’t have a true back-up center.
Overview: I’m going with a 5.5 here. In my opinion, Hawes is a solid 7. He should play significant minutes with us in the future as either a starter or backup center. But again, if he gets hurt or does not pan out, we end up playing someone out of position.
So our base is solid in the backcourt, deep but lacking known commodities at the three, and dangerously shallow but with good potential at the four and five. Where do we go from here?
Well there are three primary options for the building phase which I believe we have entered.
1) We continue to play the young guys and see what happens. This is not a bad strategy. It lets us see what we have in players like Greene, JT, Hawes, and our new picks. It will also almost assuredly get us a top draft pick next year. I don’t care if you think Evans is the next D-Wade or whoever, I don’t see a huge turnaround in our team as currently comprised. The upside of this option is that we get to see all of our favorites play extended minutes. The downside is that we are going to lose a lot of games. In fact, I honestly don’t see us breaking 25 wins, unless Westphal proves to be a genius. Yes, losing is part of rebuilding, but the danger is forming a losing mentality, not selling tickets, and possibly losing our team to another city. (I don’t think the last is going to happen, but it must be considered.)
2) We take all of our young guys, picks, and cap space, and make a Celtics-esque transformation this summer, opening a short window with players like Turk, Boozer, Amare, etc. This is an all or nothing scenario, and it probably isn’t even doable. But after what Ainge pulled off, every team’s fans have to at least have it in the back of their minds. Go from something to nothing in one fell swoop. Hey GP has done it before. If we did make such a move, I would rather see us do it with guys whose windows don’t close in the next couple of years. Do you want to be a Celts fan two years from now?
3) The last option is to keep what we have—as much as possible—while shopping for the veteran pieces that could step right in and make us better. How much better, and at what positions? Well that’s where we have to decide what we really have on our current roster. If you believe that every one of our starters listed above are the team of the future in larval form, you go for backups at the four, five, and possibly two.
If you believe that some of our players are not sure things, you have to at least consider taking a player like Bosh, Boozer, Milsap, etc who would be expected to start at their position. Personally I think we would be foolish to sign or trade for a starting point or shooting guard. We are solid there, or will be if Evans pans out. I don’t see us getting a starting small forward, unless we can trade Noc. However, much as I like JT and Hawes, if we have the chance to acquire an All-Star at the four, five, or three, without giving up a key part of the future (Evans, Martin, Hawes, or JT) it would be foolish not to consider it. At best we end up with two great players at one position (see Utah with Milsap and Boozer.) At worst, one of them pans out and the other one doesn’t.
In recap, I’m not saying who we should focus on—although a K-9 for Boozer deal would definitely pique my interest—but I am saying that unless we are 100% positive Greene, Hawes, and JT are going to be future top tier players we should be looking for All-Stars who have at least five years of quality playing time in them. The time of building has begun.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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great read
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by what_the_crap on Jul 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My take
How does it work? Is a 1 like D league filler and 10 championship-caliber? 5 is average?
I don’t see why the PFs get an incomplete while the Cs and PGs get a 5.5 and a 7. PGs are just as unproven as the PFs.
I agree with most of your evaluations of each of the players and for the most part as a team, I guess.
Here’s my take:
PG: 5 – Good upside, but potential bad fit in Evans. Decent backups for different applications in Rodriguez and Beno.
SG: 7 – Martin is efficient and All-Star caliber scorer. Garcia provides adequate spark and D.
SF: 4 – Roster mess at SF. 1 role player and 2 upside guys. By the trade deadline this needs to be sorted out.
PF: 5 – JT is a hustle guy, and is coming-along skill and focus-wise. Brockman has potential for bit role as enforcer/tough-guy.
C: 4 – Hawes is young and skilled but limited as a rebounder and shotbloker, which the team needs. JT can fill in at 5 in pinch, but depth is lacking.
So in this very simplified analysis the Kings sum to a 25 out of 50. An average and borderline playoff team. But what about in 3 years? I would guess nearer to 35 out of 50, and a legit playoff team—but non-contender. But we have some pieces and some time.
by DustyG on Jul 1, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And as far as rebuild strategy goes...
I say build thru the draft until we have at least 7s at three of the positions and then fill in with FAs and vets, sprinkle with confectioners sugar, and serve.
by DustyG on Jul 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good questions
In my mind, 1-10 represent the liklihood of having that position “set.” Meaning that we could expect to not only make the playoffs, but go deep without any changes. If every position was a seven, for example, we would be willing to take an elite player at the position, but we could still compete in the playoffs with what we had. A ten means we aren’t even considering a replacement. I knew there would be a lot of questioning my scoe at center. My reasoning is that after two years, I feel more confident that Hawes will be a part of our future than I do JT. Not saying that JT doesn’t have as much potential—or more. Just that after only one year, and with no back up of any kind—it’s hard to guess one way or the other about that position. I don’t feel we have enough information after one year, to decide whether JT is the answer at PF. Especially considering that Mikki was the starting PF for a lot of the year. I’m not confident Hawes is a top center either—yet. But I am more confident that he will play a sigificant role, because I’ve seen more of him.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound like my wife
We get a $2000 tax refund and she’s spending 3 times over. We got no cap space for big FA’s, and limited talent for trade. K9’s expiring is worth nothing until the trade deadline unless we’re willing to take on someone else bad contracts. Quite kidding yourself, the bank vault is empty and even if it isn’t the Maloofs aren’t going to give you the combination.
Maybe, they make a play for a FA Center like Gortat, but don’t expect to see us spend the whole $6M in cap space. With Greene & Noc able to move to the PF in the right curcumstances, maybe the pick up someone like Diogu or John Bryant to backup Spencer. But, we have 12 players under contract including Brockman, and Brockman is the only true backup for the 4 & 5 positions. With 2 open roster spots and only $6M to spend, I expect the Kings to start the season under the salary cap. Now, after Feb 19th is another question.
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by HighTops on Jul 1, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We don’t have a lot of cap space to play with. But when you include K-9 (woof), we actually have more than most teams. It’s all about finding the right deal and striking when the iron is hot. As TZ mentioned in his Boozer piece, slaries are not what they were even a year ago. One All-Satr player picked up because a team can’t afford him can make a big difference. almost definitely not playoffs this year, but a year from now wehn are youngs are gelling and we’ve had the same experienced coach for more than a year?
The good news is that as the team is currently composed, we don’t “have” to take a MLE deal on any slot. We can pick and choose.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write-up
My only concern regarding a Boozer or a Bosh or someone like that, is what happens next off season. K9 for Boozer sounds great, if we resign Boozer and he stays with the team long term. If he’s a one year rental, that trade, imo, wouldn’t make nearly as much sense.
There is a danger in “building” too soon or trying to over reach. That danger is getting just good enough that you can’t improve thru the draft, your cap is full so, free agency is mostly out of reach and yet you are not good enough to compete for a title.
Maybe we have enough pieces in place and we should start looking to accelerate. I’d feel much more confident with one more top draft pick in hand.
In any case I’d prefer to wait for the trade deadline, so that:
- we can see what we have
- we still get a good test drive of said acquisition.
- I think there will be more of a frenzy then, as fans/GMs/Owners start to get amped up for FA-palooza ’10.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True.
Building too soon is always a danger. But waiting too long can be just as bad. It’s really a matter of finding a bargain at a position we need with a player who will stay long term. I wouldn’t have a problem with the Boozer deal because if he doesn’t work out, we don’t keep him. I personally don’t think he gets a max deal next year either.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
With the injury problems he’s had of late.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we are in danger of waiting too long at this point
3/5 of our projected starting lineup is under 23 years of age. Spencer is still 2-3 years from approaching his prime, it usually takes a PG 2-4 seasons to develop in this league, JT has room to grow.
I don’t think we’re in danger of plateauing and starting to decline. And our young core is locked into their contracts so we don’t have to worry about them fleeing a losing situation for a few more years.
I just think this kind of move is 1-2 years too early. I’d rather we “naturally” improve to 8th seed contention status and then acquire a player that will bump us up to top 4 seed contention status.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I misunderstood TZ's Boozer post
but my take away was that there was really no difference between waiting for K9’s (woof) contract to expire or waiting for Boozer’s contract to expire except with Boozer you get a player who can actually play at a high level. At the end of the season if Boozer walked we would still be left with about the same amount of cap space.
Nice post SB, I think you have a small amount of grade inflation there. My take:
PG – 6. Assuming Evans can play major minutes here.
SG – 6.5 I think you have to take away a little until when find out if Kevin is durable
SF – 5 That’s based mostly on Noc. I have big doubts on é and wait and see on Cassapi
PF – 6 based on JT, if he shows improvement I’d go to 7.5. I’m thinking he likely a 15/10 guy by next season
C – 4 I have huge concerns about Spencer’s knees. If he stays healthy I think he’s a solid 6
Whoa, just used an actual calculator and came up with 5.5 as well so forget about inflation. I’m not giving Evans major points yet just because we don’t know how well he will play and what position he will play. If Kevin shows he can play the majority of a season and also shows a little d you could possible move him up to an 8. Noc’s solid and would be a super solid bench guy. I’m not feeling é but hoping I’m wrong and am cautiously optimistic about Cassapi but you have to give him an inc. right now.
I value JT over Spence and am thinking ultimately that he is a very solid 7.5 but I don’t see him as ever being dominant and my concern is that either our starting PF or C has to be at least an 8 or higher. If JT could be a Malone type of PF great but I think he’s too nice.
There has to be some intangibles that could be assigned if this young group come together and where the sum is better than the parts but like Kfan I don’t see us being ready to compete yet. Things start to change if Evans turns out to be an 8.5 or higher player regardless of position and right now before he has played one game in the NBA I think that’s possible. One of our young vets, this years or next years draftees has to have Allstar potential for the Kings to really gain altitude in my view.
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by Bluejohn on Jul 2, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got that point regarding Boozer.
but if he left at the end of the season we’d be left with the same amount of cap space and presumably a worse draft pick. So, in my opinion, if we’re not pretty sure he’s going to be around long term, I’d rather not have him here at all.
Renting Boozer to win 5-10 more games for one season does nothing for our long-term title aspirations.
Even if he’s here long-term, I’m not convinced that a lineup of Evans, Martin, SF of your choice, Boozer and Hawes is a title contender.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question isn't whether Boozer will be more moveable than K9, or
whether Boozer will contribute more than K9. The real question is whether the presence of Boozer will impede the advancement of JT. With Boozer starting, JT will be forced to split his minutes between backup PF & backup Center. That didn’t help his development the 1st year when he also spent time at SF. Plus who knows how many more games we will win because of Boozer, 5,10 or none. Is 5 more wins worth $5M more in salary, and how many more seats will he sell to cover that salary.
Rebuild by developing our young talent & build through the draft. No short term bandaids. When the time is right to add the final piece, someone will be available. This is not the right time to be adding high priced FA’s especially ones that are going to be here for one yr and then leave.
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by HighTops on Jul 3, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"High priced" is a red herring
You are upgrading an asset, that’s all. I think your argument about impeding JT’s growth could have merit (though I disagree), but the money thing makes no sense.
And very few teams win in the long haul just through the draft. There are pieces that have to be added in this very manner to make it work.
By the way, these young players have been losing games at an atrocious rate the last few years. It might be time they learn what winning is like.
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by otis29 on Jul 3, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big market teams can win by picking up superstars via free agency
Small market teams really can’t compete in the free agency market. The only small market team to win a championship in the last 20 years or so won by drafting their three best players: Duncan, Ginobli, Parker.
Building through the draft is really the best and only options for the Kings, and Boozer would reduce their chances of finding a superstar in next year’s draft, while not offering any long-term benefit.
by Charlieb on Jul 3, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah High tops, that's what I meant
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by Bluejohn on Jul 3, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The high upside big on our roster
is Spencer Hawes, not JT. Hawes has unbelievable skills for his age/experience and an NBA body. Honestly, we don’t know what the limit for Hawes is on the upside, but its possible he could be very, very good.
JT has all the tools to be a good NBA player, I love him and am happy he’s on the team. But he hasn’t shown yet a fraction of the tools Spencer has put on display and he’s older.
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by ForThree on Jul 3, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Hawes has more potential upside. JT is a Varejao hustle guy most teams would like to have – but you can’t win a ring by leaning on.
Now, one of those two positions has to really dominate at the rim to go far in the playoffs.
I love Hawes’ skill-set – but we need an excellent PF to go with him. I just don’t see that we have that.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 4, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer
I honestly do not see why people are against trading for him. The guy will be a larger expiring contract that we could use at the deadline. He also would bring production in and give us a solid 3 man rotation. I am still try to get why we dont bring him in. The one point I think I have seeing made a few times is the fact that it hurts our chance of having a higher lottery pick. Well that may be slightly true, but if you look at the last few years, teams have move up in the lottery. In reality, this trade could give us a shot at the playoffs, which even if we are a one and done team, would give our young guys some great experience. On the other hand it could give us a large expiring to move at the deadline.
by chriswebb86 on Jul 2, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, and when you have one of the best GMs at finding draft talent
I don’t think you worry about positioning as much.
So we get another 5 or 10 wins, that puts us at 22 or 27 right? That’s still a lot of ping pong balls, but you’ve added a more valuable asset to your franchise AND you’ve started to reverse a culture of losing to which our young players are being exposed.
The real downside to this deal is for the Maloofs – you are asking them to spend an additional what, $5 million dollars this season? Petrie would have to sell them the benefit to the future of the franchise by making this deal.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the +5-10 would be in addition to whatever we would have won this season
so, I’d say it would be more like 27-37 total wins. Followed buy a dip in wins the year after that when the newly acquired All-Star leaves, or at best a plateau and we’re back to drafting in the teens for an extended period of time(the death of title aspirations).
The argument that you have a good drafting GM so you should not worry about where you draft is the wrong way of looking at it imo. It should be: If your GM’s talent is drafting, then you should focus on building thru the draft, buy getting him the best draft position possible to restock your team as quickly as possible. If you assume Petrie is a good drafter, you have to figure he’ll draft a better player in the 1-7 range than he will in the 8-15 range. So, invest a couple of seasons of getting him top quality draft picks and let him work his magic. The team’s win totals will naturally improve. Don’t panic after one season and scramble to force him to go bargain hunting later in the draft.
And I don’t buy the culture of losing. Have an unsuccessful season, and keep the same coach. That’s a culture of losing. Have an unsuccessful season and keep the slackers and malcontents on the team and that’s a culture of losing. Firie Theus, don’t retain Natt, get Brad and Salmons off the team and either bury Beno on the bench or force him to step up. Those are not the moves of a team with a culture of losing. I don’t think any of our core are content with losing. If they are then it’s time to move them too.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty gloom and doom scenario
For a transaction that is pretty low risk, high reward.
The last sentence of your first paragraph is a stretch, to be honest. If we did pick up Boozer in this scenario, you don’t lose Evans, you don’t lose Martin, you don’t lose JT or Hawes, and you still add a pretty good player in the draft next year. You also still have a nice bit of cap space to sign someone if Boozer leaves. You also have the option to trade Boozer before the deadline (as smgmatt continues to note).
Losing Boozer after the season wouldn’t set your franchise back. So how exactly do we regress or plateau? We are either losing Carlos Boozer or losing Kenny Thomas with the same financial effect. Or we are gaining an All-Star type talent.
I just don’t get the arguments against this…does it really boil down to Boozer’s reputation as a mercenary?
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by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me it just comes down to why do it?
I see the best case as Boozer works out well, loves it here and we resign him at reasonable rate. So we go forward with Ty, Kevin, SF, Boozer and Hawes. Is that a championship contending starting 5? If you think so then of course do it.
The problem is Hawes is still 2-3 years away, it usually takes PGs 3-4 years to develop in this league. So in 3-4 years Boozer is on the decline. Wouldn’t it be better to make a similar deal in a year or 2 so that the incoming stud is in his prime when the young core is moving into theirs?
It’s the same reason I didn’t like the Amar’e trade proposals. I just think it’s too soon. Imo, it’s good to be bad for a couple of seasons, if your goal is to contend for a title. That’s what it boils down to.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do it
Because Carlos Boozer is a more valuable asset than Kenny Thomas. And I’m still on the “bad teams should acquire assets” bandwagon.
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by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Additionally
You would do it because it’s fairly low risk, and would probably put some butts in the seats. And this team needs some butts in the seats.
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by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point Kfan, but you can also just as easily ask; why not
having our kids play with an All Star for a season could do nothing but help them. Boozer will be playing for his last big contract and i’m figuring that he’s going to play through the dings and play at a high level and he is going to be pushing the kids to elevate their games.
You can argue it either way but the one thing I agree with you on is in regards to the culture of losing. I don’t think anything the team has done since the season ended shows we represent a losing culture and the financial constraints the Maloofs face are real. But…….and it’s kind of a big……..but. there were nights last season when the team just took the night off and even the kids weren’t playing their best. Brad Miller, the King of Sulk, and losing game after game will do that to you.
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by Bluejohn on Jul 3, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you were right, but I doubt it
Boozer is out for Boozer and will be out to run up his stats to insure he gets his max contract after the season. He won’t be on the floor with JT all that much, and JT would be playing out of position at center when they are together.
I don’t buy the vet teaching the rookie bit except maybe defending him in practice. JT could watch films of Boozer play last yr and learn just as much as he can watching from the bench this year. And, Boozer isn’t going to make Hawes better, he’s only going to take the ball out of his hands.
If Boozer were to sign up for 4yrs, then I’d say Yes. But, as a 1 yr rental. No.
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by HighTops on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
As a rental, he’s a bigger expiring than K9, and if he’s just trying to run up his stats, that would help us for a year, right?
A few W’s would go a long way with the fanbase.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Martin is healthy
This team wins 25 games minimum.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are a few W's in the grand scheme of winning a championship.
The rental cost us $5M. Not our money but the Maloofs money. The wins put some people in the seats. How many? $5M worth, unlikely.
You spend money to make money. Unless adding Boozer for one yr makes money you don’t do it. If your going to spend money, spend it on someone who’s be around in 4 years and can contribute to the teams goal of winning a championship. I’d rather sign Gortat to a 4yr contract at $6M per, than spend $5M on Boozer for a half dozen meaningless wins.
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by HighTops on Jul 6, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's more to it
Than a half dozen meaningless wins. Boozer would also be an asset for the future. What HE would bring back in a trade is what’s important here.
But I do like Gortat, although $6 mill per year is pretty hefty IMO.
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by otis29 on Jul 6, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I think that Booze could potentially bring in the $5M difference through “people in the seats”.
Ignore how many more wins he would give the team, and think about how much more competitive the team would be with him on the roster. It’s not necessarily about W’s if they have a chance to win every night.
To use a very generic example, Forbes listed the average ticket price last year at $62 and the capacity of Arco Arena at 17,317 (or 709,997 after 41 home games).
If acquiring Boozer brought 80,645 (8.8%) people to Arco that wouldn’t otherwise have come, then there’s your $5M.
This doesn’t even take into account jersey sales (of which there would be some, obviously, but this is a generic example after all).
I’m not saying that Boozer himself will draw these kinds of numbers, nor that it’s a lock that there would be enough money to off-set the $5M difference at all.
All I’m saying is that it’s not as hard to do so as one might think.
by smgmatt on Jul 6, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer would have to sell 1,888 seats per game,
I don’t know how much weight to put into it, but if you run the Boozer / Noc trade through ESPN’s trade machine, it says the trade would increase the Kings win total by 2. I don’t know how they figure it, but that’s what it says.
As for me, I wouldn’t spend $62 to go watch Boozer.
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by HighTops on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
As I pointed out before, it’s not Boozer alone, but would the addition of Boozer tip 2,000 people into going who might not otherwise have gone?
I wasn’t suggesting that Boozer himself is a draw (like LeBron), but that the improvement to the team could get those extra tickets sold.
2,000 seats in a 17,317 seat arena is not a lot though.
by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings can be very cautious
and gradually become reasonably good again, maybe after the next two seasons.
Or, take a swing at the fences, understanding that that has high risk/reward.
I say swing for the fences by constructing a trade offer involving Thompson going to Toronto for Bosh. Could you end up without Thompson and Bosh after next season? Yes. Could you end up building around Evans, maybe Martin, Bosh and Hawes? Yes. Is it worth the gamble? Yes.
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by left hand on Jul 1, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See this is exactly what I am saying.
If we had Bosh instead of JT, that usddenly puts us at an 8 or 9 there. Do you make the move? I almostb think you have to, unless you are 100% sold that JT not only can, but WILL reach that level.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, never type and read at the same time.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh
Chris Bosh would be exactly what this team needs. Problem is we cant just give up some players for him if hes not willing to sign an extension.
If we get him for JT plus fillers id be all for that deal, if and ONLY if he signs an extension to his current deal to remain with the kings for a few years.
I think Bosh + Martin would be a great combo that would instantly put us in a low seed playoff birth. Then as you wait for Tyreke the Freak to develop who knows what can happen in the coming years.
Rebuilding is great but at some point you have to take the risk.
If we get bosh that is our risk.
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by Robby1987 on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Understood,
but you’re asking for a zero risk deal. That’s ideal, of course. But then you add “at some point you have to take a risk.”
The risk may have to be that Bosh may not re-sign. If so, do you absolutely shut it down? “If and only if…”? I think you still have to consider it, and probably pull the trigger.
Consider this: At this point, would losing “JT plus fillers” be a rational risk in the event Bosh wouldn’t re-sign? Would it completely shut down a rebuilding process that also includes Martin, Hawes, Evans, next year’s likely lottery pick, and some?
At THIS point you have to take the risk.
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by left hand on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeap
I didn’t realize that till after i posted it.
Most likely if hes willing to sign an extension you would probably have to give up more than just JT.
It would probably take JT + one of our SF’s and possibly a draft pick.
Thats the risk you would have to take.
I doubt we are his primary destination seeing as the situation here in Sacramento isn’t too appealing. No long term stability (who knows the kings could up and leave town) and the fact that we won 17 games a year ago. Bringing in bosh would be a miracle.
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by Robby1987 on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh
Honestly, while I would love to have this guy playing for the Kings, he is far from worth a max contract. To me max contract players are ones that can take you to the promise land. In reality, I really do not think Bosh has the talent to take the team to the promise land. I think he is a very talented power forward, but I really do not think he is a superstar. If the guy would be had for something like 5 years 60 to 70 million dollars, I would be for all getting him. However, we all know that will not happen.
I think Shaq actually talked about it previously in saying that Bosh is not worth max money because he does not have the ability to take a team to the promise land.
by chriswebb86 on Jul 2, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
5/60 is Kevin Martin money.
But I think you’re right. He makes the 4 better than solid, but he’s not a max contract player. Still, I’d be willing to shake things up to get him. Boozer, not so much.
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by left hand on Jul 2, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, Beast
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well thought out piece Savage
rec’d
I am in agreement with HighTops in regards to strategy. The Maloofs are not quite ready to let the paper fly – remember they have made a strong statement in cutting back expenses across the board including their own. Coach Westphal is a lower paid Head Coach. I don’t see any deal that would place the Kings at, near, nor above the salary cap in the realm of possiblities. And Boozer might be a great fit, but for a year you just know he will be gone. Bosh likewise.
My best guess is that the Kings follow one of the popular and in vogue trends a læ Portland and OKC – build through the draft, slowly, securely, cheaply. Maybe the Kings can have the luxury of picks 2,5, 4 and 3 (like OKC the last 3 years) but I expect to see this step-wise progression. If an Arena deal is struck, maybe that will change.
As for you roster grades:
PG – 5.5 (Beno is a 4, Sergio a 5 until proven otherwise, and Evans a hopeful 7 this year)
SG – 7.0 (Kevin is an ocho – until he proves he can defend than maybe higher. Cisco is a SF who can play some 2 and I like the guy but not the player all that much. His boneheadedness index is still in backup range. He is a 5 his good is balanced by his bad, he is unreliable) I would add Evans to the 2 line up. He is a combo guard and big enough to play the 2 and we all expect to see him on the floor with either Beno or Sergio on occassion)
SF – 6 The potpurri of Nocioni, Greene, Garcia, Casspi, maybe some Evans is star-less. No strong starters here.
PF – 6 JT has to show he has improved and can stay in games. This year more than ever as his back ups are limited. I expect to see Casspi and Greene (the new and bulkier version) out there. Rebounding continues to be a big issue – only one rebounder, maybe two if you include Evans at PG/SG.
C – 5 – I too am a big SHawes fan. He is multi-talented and has the full offensive package.Some inside, some mid-range, and a 3 pointer. He can pass, has a good eye for the game, needs a go-to move to be a true offensive force. At 21, improvement has a very good chance of happening. Injuries are a concern. Defensively – only adequate as a rebounder with inconsistency – games of 0, 1 on the boards happened too often. He should develop as he gains strength but this season, he is as much a liability as a boon. And as of today, no real back up. Expect help soon – I will be surprised if Fesenko or Sean Williams, someone, anyone, more athtletic than the Summer League crew is not a King before Christmas rolls around.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's so certain
that whoever might sign or be traded here will be gone at the first opportunity. Practically every player that has come here has wanted to stay here. If this premise is true, give up. Your great young players are certain to leave at the end of their rookie contracts. I think history suggests otherwise.
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by left hand on Jul 1, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean no such disparaging a commentary
Given the personalities involved and spending the cap money – Boozer in particular – to expect him to stay, IMHO would be like buying fool’s gold.
Bosh has been spoken of going to New Jersey, New York in the LeBron-stakes 2010 – big market teams with more to offer than the Kings right now, I just don’t think Sacramento has the enticements at this time to draw and keep BIG free agents who will get the maximum offered from many teams. Sacramento has to overpay to keep and draw or trade for those bigger names.
In no way do I wish to insinuate that the Kings cannot keep their stars.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like your post Beast, but
your conclusion at the end raisies a question to me. I agree that a Woof for Boozer deal would be interesting. However, how can anyone be sure (100% like you said, although I know you were using hyperbole) that Thier players will turn into allstars or even stay that way with the injury bug rampant (ala Boozer last year). I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, its just a different approach to basketball philosophy.
For instance, I think that both JT and SH have a good possibility of becoming allstars down the road, maybe in three years. We already know Boozer is an allstar, but for how long? Will his body hold up? Would he stay with us? These are the questions I have.
I say give our two bigs time to grow and do what I think most King’s fans believe they can do which is become very good players. I am not for a Boozer trade because I think JT will become better than Boozer in the future (next 2-3 years), though I’m not 100% sure.
by kwill on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Paralysis by analysis.
No one is ever 100% sure. Everyone can be subject to injuries. Who cares who’s an All-Star? What I mean by that is, Hawes stands a good chance because he is a center and there just aren’t that many good centers. Another position might have five or six great players in one conference, so your great player doesn’t become an All-Star.
If you have a good shot, take it.
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by left hand on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer vs JT
If we were to make a trade for Boozer, no one is 100% sure if he stays healthy. If for some reason he does not stay healthy we have a K9 (Who does not play) but a slightly larger expiring contract. In reality the only thing that may hurt, is the extra money the owners have to pay to have him.
In reality I think everyone is forgetting that we have 96 minutes a game for the 4 and 5 spots. If we brought Boozer in and they all played the same amount of minutes that gives Hawes, JT, and Boozer 32 minutes each. In the long run I do not think that hurts JT or Spencer’s growth on the team. I also think it gives someone to learn from especially when it comes to playing in the post.
by chriswebb86 on Jul 2, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should point out that
I wouldn’t take the same risks for Boozer that I would for Bosh. To me, it’s
Bosh>JT>Boozer over the next five years.
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by left hand on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff SB
I can’t get behind Booz unless we know what we got with our younger core players, and like I wrote this morning, and eliminate us from a potential franchise big in the next upcoming season’s.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pookey
I totally agree with you that we need to know what are young bigs can do. To tell you the truth, I think we have a very bright future with SH, JT, KM and TE. I think our weekest area is SF and back-ups for our bigs. This team needs time to know what it can do. We need time to know what it can do with a player like Tyreke.
by kwill on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been getting behind Booz quite often as of late
I wonder sometimes how Ricky Berry would've turned out
by luckthefakers on Jul 2, 2009 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THIS is a good post
Position rating differences aside, I love your post and agree on so many levels. The process of rebuilding requires building at some point. Demo is complete, let’s see what we can put together.
Rome may nit of been built in a day (season), but the process has to start at some point.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, who do you vote for Nero?
Rome may not of been built in a day (season), but the process has to start at some point.
Muss? Natt?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it only took a day to burn Rome
Just a thought about making bad moves….
by Fredman on Jul 4, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like posts like this
It forces you to think. (Ooh the strain)
About Hawes and JT, I would expect them to be somewhere around 16/8 players. If either has a breakout year he could go 20/10. In either case, if not all-stars, they are both serviceable players who cover their positions.
About Martin, he is one of the most efficient players in the league. We would be crazy to trade him. (I have to say, though, he has the lamest nickname in the league. K-Mart is a cut rate department store that sells mostly products made in China. And the other K-Mart is vaguely disreputable. I always thought KevinM was better, sort of in the rhythm of Emenem. Sorry, I digress.) Besides, defense is contagious. If everyone else plays, he will have to.
I hope Evans is the rookie of the year, but I’m not really sold on his being a point. In recent years, we have had a lot of experience with SGs playing some PG. We have always ended up playing a lot of one-on-one basketball. We aren’t good enough to play like that. The only way to win is to play as a team.
Which brings me to Sergio. Even though we got him for next to nothing, he may be a very valuable piece. A true-pass-first-point A bit of logic: We got him cheaply because he was a very unhappy camper in Portland and they wanted him out. He was the best player in Europe a few years back, and evidently felt disrespected only getting 12.2 minutes over 3 years. Playing behind Roy and Aldrich, it is easy to see his plight. GP evidently wanted him because he traded down and took on extra salary. I doubt that he did it to do Portland a favor. So unless you think GP and Westfall get off on torturing Spanish point guards, I would expect that if they don’t trade him, he will be getting major minutes. I think that is very good for us.
by Hubbell on Jul 1, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Serigo
I agree that we could have a steal with the guy. The reports I have read about him and agree with is that he is a great passing pg. He makes really good plays moving the ball. However, because he cant shoot very well it kept him off the floor in Portland. If the guy can learn to shoot the ball then I think he can become a graet pg off the bench.
by chriswebb86 on Jul 2, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post and analysis Beast
I think what is eventually going to happen is we’re going to acquire another young asset in next years draft and slowly but surely we’ll either try to keep the team together and form a young nucleus with great chemistry, like Portland, and try to acquire one or two proven vets either in free agency or trades to get us back into legit contention, which I don’t think we’re close to for at least another 5 years (as in Championship contenders, not playoff contenders, which is what the whole point is).
In 5 years Martin and Cisco will be a little past their prime, Thompson will be in the middle of it, and Spence, Tyreke, Omri, and Donte will be just entering theirs. Beno and Andres probably won’t be on the team and are probably already past their prime. Too early to tell if Sergio is part of the future. We have a one year free trial offer on him.
All in all I think the future looks pretty good for us. We’re one of the youngest teams, and with the draft acquired some pretty solid talent, especially if Tyreke, Omri and even Jon end up fulfilling or surpassing our hopes.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
upside
Whats JTs upside, a PJ Brown type, a solid power forward who gets you say 18 and 10, thats not bad, I also suspect he might end up being able to play some Center, he could end up covering Hawes on occasion
Hawes, still a really young player, maybe with a point guard who gets him the ball when he needs it might make him a better player, he looked good in parts, but is that due to a lack of will or is it strength/desire to fight to get to his spots. Time will tell, the NBA has few talented big men, if he develops he couldn’t he be a real beneficial match up for the Kings?
In short this is a team full of question marks, here is hoping some of the guys develop and get better and that the team competes and makes other teams work to beat them, unlike last year when they mailed it in on too many occasions
If Tyreke develops couldn’t he potentially make Martin expendable, as he might be a better player but he might be a two with some vision, if he is more well rounded wouldn’t that make him more valuable? Its great to speculate about a guy who hasn’t played a minute in the NBA
Agree with your thoughts on Garcia, probably a key reserve on playoff team, but he is overpaid for the money he is getting. Great guy, plays D, hustles, but thats it
by Murf on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good post.
Sensible, and shows some perspective.
Unless I’m mistaken, Tyreke is the highest drafted King since C-Webb, and he does seem to have the physical gifts necessary to be a truly outstanding NBA playerSome around here know I disagree about Hawes upside, but good job here.
Regarding the Utah PFs, personally I’d rather have Paul Millsap than Carlos Boozer. I mean, either one would help immensely, but Millsap is such a warrior, such a great young player on the rise.
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 2, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're mistaken
MIke Bibby was taken 2nd overall.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doh! Yeah, of course!
The mind is the first to go… then the knees.
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 3, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least your back is still strong
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only Kings players to play for the Kings that were selected in the top 5 were
Mitch Richmond (5th overall 88), Billy Owens (3rd overall 91), Bibby, and Webber.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with Tyreke Evans as the Number 4 pick
we have a straight sequence! BINGO!
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe our only #1 pick played a few games for us as well.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 3, 2009 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes
Never Nervous. Thank You you stinky asshole.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To round it out
Section214 (Joe Klein’s avatar…..) was pick #6 but Number One in our hearts!

and non-Spanish, blanco chocolat was pick numero siete.

and Brian Grant 8th.

no one at #9, Hawes at #10
by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Kleine -
Six symbol.
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by section214 on Jul 3, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon Williams #5 '06
… but it may be stretch to say he “played”.
by Mystic on Jul 4, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawes an All-Star this year? Just might happen
Here is a really scary idea. Hawes might make the Western Conference All-Star team with a some improvement. Now, this isn’t because Hawes is the next coming of Wilt Chamberlain, but because the talent at the 5 spot in the Western conference is soooooo weak with Shaq being traded and Yao most likely out for the season. This is also assuming the Stoudamire and Duncan remain at the PF positions they were last year.
Portland—Oden
Lakers—Bynum
Clippers—Camby
Utah—Okur (probably be the All-Star starter)
Minnesota—Jefferson (might be a PF as well)
New Orleans—Chandler
Memphis—Thabeet
I can see Hawes being competitive against this group of guys. Especially if he put in some work this some to improve on some of his weaknesses like fouling so he actually stays on the court playing.
by Fredman on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
crap...forgot All-Star was in New Orleans this year.
That will help Chandler to make the All-Star team especially if he and CP3 are healthy and running at the beginning of the year
by Fredman on Jul 3, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that could actually happen.
With all the quality big men in the West playing PF, all he might need is 15 and 10 to make the All-star team…..then again, they’ll probably just send a random warm body from a winning team.
by Charlieb on Jul 3, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aye Carumba
Brad Miller all over again
by bignerd on Jul 6, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the delay, just got the time to read this
But allow me to heap some praise on the pile. Very good post.
My biggest issue is using the assumption of Evans as a future All-Star. I’m as hopeful as anyone, but Martin hasn’t even made an appearance yet. I think it is too much to make that leap and yet still give JT an incomplete.
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