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My Summer League Impressions

I was at Cox Pavillion Friday and Saturday.  Here are my random thoughts:

*  Donte Greene is verging on Quincy Douby V 2.0.  Donte, in summation, is not very good.  All I can say about Donte is I don't like his game, he cannot post-up well, he shoots around 33% from the perimeter, he loses his balance quite easily on his penetration moves to the hoop.  He lacks quickness, concise moves, and his decision-making skills are borderline atrocious. His defense is lackadaisical at best.  He takes chances that don't pay off.   If he has added muscle, it certainly didn't translate into improved performance in two games I witnessed.  I am not ready to give up on him just yet, but it is getting close. I realize two summer league games need to be put in the proper perspective, but Donte is not a smart player, displaying a continuum of all of last year.  Geoff Petrie who sat in the very corner of the gym, in the uppermost regions of the gym, had to be shaking his head.  He just does not get a lot accomplished on the court when it matters, or when it doesn't.  And Donte has an aloof, distracted attitude, almost like being on the court is enough for him, realizing his potential as a player is secondary.  There are three games left to put together something tangible.  (Side note:  Quincy Douby as a new Raptor looked a lot better than Donte as a King, and we all know how successful Quincy performed when it counted.)

*  I really like Omri Caspi.  He runs the wings like a deer. He has nice handles, and knows where to be on the court. He runs a beeline to the hoop in transition, and he is one of the first guys to do so.  His shot needs work, but he definitely is a guy who can develop distant range, with an effortless fluid 3 point stroke. He is lanky, but not awkward. He has a combination of size, confidence, attitude, and real basketball skill, a winning combo in my mind. Officiating calls went against him, but he did not whine or sulk, or say one ill word, like JT did as a rookie, so he impressed me as a guy with mental fortitude.  I see Omri as a guy with a fast learning curve, and someone who can make a contribution in 10 to 20 minutes a game from Day One.  Omri only needs to add strength and experience to become an effective player.  I think Omri knows he is good, and he is out to prove it.

* Tyreke Evans makes the game look easy. When I first saw him, he struck me as being HUGE. To play PG at his size, is almost unfair to the competition.  He has an athletic, muscular build, and arms that go for miles.  The other word that comes to mind once I say him play is 'polished'.  He is almost the antithesis of Donte. It is amazing he is 19 years old, because he has the on-court demeanor of someone 10 years older.  He plays with control, and seems to make the right decision innately.  When he gets into the lane, defenders are forced to help, which leaves wing player wide open.  He doesn't have great quickness, but he gets to where he wants to easily with size and saavy.  If I had to call him a natural point or off-guard, he is definitely a PG. He is a facilitator before he is a scorer.  He seems natural at controlling tempo. There were times when the game against the Warriors reached chaotic pace, but he retained his cool.  He lost control in open court a few times, and made two crucial TOs late against the Warriors, but redeemed himself with a forecfeul baseline move to tie the game.  He likes to make a spin move in the lane when defenders cuts him off.  He needs to be careful with this move, as he will be prone to getting picked.  His outside shot needs to improve, but his mechanics are consistent, so I see only minor tweeks required. I see Tyreke as a bona-fide star to be, and immediate starter, ready to play 35 minutes a game.  I would like to have seen Tyreke be more vocal.  He didn't have much to say during the action, or in between, to teammates.  All in all, I see Tyreke as the best talent the Sacramento Kings have drafted in recent memory, maybe ever.

 * Jon Brockman was overmatched in Game One.  In Game 2, he fought his way for rebounds.  I see him as a practice player or D-League guy.  I don't think he has NBA level talent.

* Funny moment on Saturday:  Coach Pete Carill wading through a bunch of 5 and 6 year old kids trying to get off the court during half-time, taking baby steps, while little tykes dashed around him.  

* Stephan Curry is a fun player to watch.  His cross-over can do ankle damage. Anthony Randolph has wicked skills.

*  Jason Thompson is reliable, if unspectacular.  Needs to hit the boards, and assert his talent.  He is never going to big-time scorer.  I think his big feet get in the way of crafty footwork a big guy needs to do damage in the paint.  I think JT is an opportunistic, lunch pail player, 14/10 guy, but not an all-star.  

*  A couple of other players did some good things on the court - some guy named Landry, and and another dude named Battle, maybe enough to get a camp invite. 

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Omri

looked really good at times, then wild and out of control in others. I really like the fluidness of his game and I think will be really good with some experience.

Tyreke is a stud plain and simple.

by gtrman1973 on Jul 13, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Great insight, blob

I very much agree with your opinions of Greene, Casspi. Greene has been disappointing. His shot selection hasnt improved, and that needed to be fixed last summer. I think the contrast that you point out between Omri and Greene will become more evident in the season.

This has been discussed a lot already, but I agree with your description of Tyreke, except from what I’ve seen, I don’t feel that he is a pass-first guy, and I also dont think that he is a good passer for a PG (two separate issues IMO). He sure is good at what he does tho, and who knows how much the Kings will require a pass-first-type PG.

I, too, think that Brockman will have a hard time keeping up in the NBA , and might not be around long.

Regarding Thompson, I hear his footwork and fundamentals lauded often, but his footwork is below average, and he makes poor use of his off-hand. To me those issues limit his upside to a 14/10 guy, like you said.

by DustyG on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

brockman could last

i think he could be reggie evans with better free throw shooting.

by bukey on Jul 13, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You may be right

and I sure hope he doesnt stay on the team if you are.

by DustyG on Jul 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why the crap not?

Reggie Evans is a perfect bench PF. Sucks up rebounds, doesn’t shoot bad shots, plays every possession like it’s the NBA Finals, and knows his place on the court. He’ll get some points on follow shots, and won’t complain about his role. What’s not to like? I would say Brockman is just like Reggie Evans with a better free throw stroke, and that’s a compliment.

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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 14, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's not to like?

He likes to grab down there. That shit hurts… ask Chris Kaman

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 14, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess

it would be cool if that were Brockman’s upside, but I dont like Reggie Evans or Brockman because they are so limited in what they do on the court. Sure he can rebound at a good clip, but I’m sure we could get someone for about the same cost who could rebound at 90 percent of Reggie’s rate AND block a few shots or shoot a midrage jumper. Probably wont be Brockman, but I’m fine with that.

by DustyG on Jul 15, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you though?

You’re basically talking about a guy like Joel Przybilla, who makes WAY more than Reggie Evans, and Evans makes more than Brockman. Guys that do one thing REALLY well are an undervalued commodity; they are cheap, but provide an essential service. Brian Skinner got rebounds and blocked some shots, but his free throw shooting made him a liability on the court. Combining great rebounding with passable free throw shooting means Jon Brockman isn’t a liability out there; his job is to set screens and get rebounds, and he’ll give 100% effort without complaining every time, which is more than I can say for our other backup PF, Mr. Thomas.

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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 15, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You might be right

that you cant get a player who rebounds almost as well as Evans but is competent in another area for little more than Evans is payed. At least not on a non-rookie contract. Maybe I should be more excited about Brockman. Maybe I should have been more excited about Sheldon Williams too.

by DustyG on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big difference

Williams was a few million. Brockman will be a few hundred thousand.

Tony Massenburg and Mo Taylor (to name two) were major pains in the arse while sitting near the end of the Kings’ bench. Brockman will cause no such trouble, he’ll show up to practice and bust it every day, he won’t complain when he doesn’t play, and he’ll give you everything that he’s got when he does. With all due respect, what is the effing problem here?

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by section214 on Jul 15, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have the same question

What’s the problem with Brockman being the 4th big on this team for less than a million bucks?? Who cares who he compares to? It’s not like he’s going to taking minutes from our young frontcourt or mess with our cap.

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 15, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

For all everyone complains about him, the same could be said for Donte. We are paying him $870,000 next year and still under 1 mil if we pick up his option for 10/11 (if I’m correct). I don’t know why people make such a big deal about these players.

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 15, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just dont think he’s going to be very productive. I agree tho, there’s no reason to be too for or against Brockman.

BTW, where you do you get your conclusive inside information on Brockman’s character?

by DustyG on Jul 15, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, no "inside information"

But I think that it’s pretty apparent based on how he played in college, what former teammates and coaches have had to say, Westphal’s praise, and the way that the kid has handled himself.

The 12th man on the 2001-02 team was Chucky Brown. Brown averaged 1 point and 2 rebounds per game for the team with the best record in the league. Is Brockman not capable of that? Because that was the genesis of my comment if you go back and read it.

Good grief.

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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read your comment

and I think I replied to it appropriately. Why do you imply otherwise? I believe I understand the point you are making. And I’ve responded to your viewpoint without and ’what’s the effing problems’ or ‘good griefs’. If I were being rude or antagonistic, I’d understand it.

 

by DustyG on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I misinterpreted

your “conclusive inside information” comment as snarky. Apologies.

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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And 1 -

You’re the second person to call me on attitude today. While I have certainly not meant anything, perhaps I need to check my internal mood meter before posting more today. Thanks for the head’s up.

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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree with you on Donte

He hasn’t shot well, but he’s played much better than I thought he could defensively. I wouldn’t have called it lackadaisical at all. He had a couple blocks on Anthony Randolph late in the game, and Randolph was baled out on one by the crappy Summer League Refs. And he definitely made an effort to get to the rim a lot more. I don’t think Donte is like Douby at all.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with Aykis

Dontè has still to improve a lot, but he came with good defensive games and some post play which we all hope he will be able to do during the season.
I think the fact that JT and Dontè are definitively out of shape is due to their hard work on weights this summer. They are much heavier now that they were last time they played, and they will need more time than 4 days to understand how to use their new muscles on the court.

Casspi is surely going to be a good contributor, but not in the immediate future. We have all seen glimpse of his talent, but, as every Euro player coming in the NBA, he will need time to adapt to the game (remember Hedo and Peja?).
Jon Brockman will surely be a King. In the NBA there are always minutes for guys that can do GREAT at least one thing (see Eddie House or Chris Andersen).

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by Panzerfaust on Jul 14, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Donte got schooled by Joe Alexander...

who was shooting 22% in summer league games. Outscored 24-2. Nice defense, Donte. Nothing personal against Donte, he is a nice kid. But reality is he is not a very good basketball player.

by bench_blob on Jul 14, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Donte didn't play against Joe Alexander for much of the game

He didn’t even play much of the game. Also, to say Donte Greene is “not a very good basketball player” is a complete farce. These guys are in the NBA. They’re all great basketball players. You can say I’m not a very good basketball player, but to say that of these guys is ludicrous.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 14, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do we really have to say

“relative to other NBA-caliber players” before we say anything about NBA players on a site about NBA players?

It seems like the blob was implying that while folks may be all about his upside, right now he’s just not that good (relative to other NBA-caliber players).

by DustyG on Jul 14, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I just don't see how you make that assumption

off of a game where he played 15 minutes, out of position.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 14, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK you are right. Donte Greene is a fantastic basketball player...

against you or me. But I am 6’1 170 pound white guy with no hops and a streaky jumper.

OK, let me qualify for you: Donte Greene is not a very good basketball player against NBA level competition. Period. I don’t think I am stating an opinion. I think this is a fact. If you want me to break it down for you further, I can. His outside shot is terrible. A good shooter will at least MISS consistently. By this I mean a good shooter has a soft shot, usually shoots in line to the hoop, missing long or short. (like a Garcia or a K$) Donte Greene ‘sprays’ his shot. He misses all over the place, which indicates an inability to focus, lack of consistent mechanics, and shooting balance. Thats just his shooting. Another big problem is he’s SLOW with the ball in his hands. No defenders are buying his head fakes and dribble juke steps. No one is biting. He doesn’t move well without the ball, read defenses or play angles. I think he launches a lot of "3"s because he can’t get to the hoop on dribble penetration, and has no speakable post game. He looks like a NBA player, has the size of an NBA player, but he has not proven he belongs in the league. Unless he makes a dramatic turnaround, there is 0% chance we pick up his option and the end of next season.

I became to have serious doubts about Donte in the second half of last year. He could accomplish nothing with extended time in meaningless games. In fact, he seemed to get worse. And he wants to blame Coach Natt because he can’t dribble, pass or shoot?!? To think he will all of the sudden transform into a productive player is wishful thinking.

by bench_blob on Jul 14, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again I don't see how you make this assumption off of a very limited sample size

I am going to wait and see how Donte turns out through the course of the season. If he doesn’t improve during that time, then I’ll begin to doubt him. The kids 20 years old. Its too early to make any decisions with him yet.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 14, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke is a year younger, and we have made a decision on him.

…after 3 summer league games: he’s a stud.

So why not form an initial to qualified assessment of Donte too?

I agree we should not give up on Donte, but do you think the Kings FO has any interest as of this moment of picking up Donte’s option for 10/11? Heck no. He is slowly turning into a 1st round bust. I also factor into the equation his position as wing player should allow him to display his skills more readily. A PG or big man takes more time to acclimate to the NBA. He doesn’t have that excuse.

by bench_blob on Jul 14, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the blob

1 year is a short sample size, but you’d expect to see SOME flashes of adequacy from a player who really belongs in the league. Donte has been consistently bad. Bad decision maker, bad shooter, bad passer, bad defender. I can’t honestly think of one aspect of his game last year that I liked.

I think a lot of people pull for him because he has a magnetic personality. I’m pulling for him too. I just haven’t seen any proof he’ll make it over the hump yet.

by cbsf on Jul 15, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

I’d love him to do well – but just have never seen it.

Not really even the ‘flashes’ others talk about.

Now, a lot of guys have come back and done well after poor rookie seasons.

Here’s hoping!

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by lietothegirls on Jul 16, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Donte isn't like Douby at all.

Douby at least plays well in the summer league.

by cbsf on Jul 15, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if Donte plays well in the season

he’ll be different from Douby in that regard as well.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry

for my lack of college basketball knowledge but i hear all these great thing about tyreke but when i look at his stats from college they don’t blow me away. I guess what I am asking is why didn’t tyreke dominate in college like blake griffin did? or did he?

by allbenji's on Jul 13, 2009 7:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

His stats were impressive...

17 points a game and around 3-4 assists, for a freshman those are good stats. You have to remember too the college game is 40 minutes, versus a 48 minute game in the NBA. So the stats are going to be compressed compared to NBA numbers, especially if a team plays a slow down tempo. I like to look at stats like FG%, ASST/TO ratio for guards since they are not dependent on length of game. Tyreke did have a lot of TOs, he needs to improve in that area.

by bench_blob on Jul 13, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

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