Westphal Pulls Back on Tyreke Evans as Day 1 Starter
by Tom Ziller on Jul 16, 2009 4:38 AM PDT
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PrintApparently, Gavin Maloof was confused. So reports Jason Jones of The Bee, who talked to Paul Westphal about the quote Maloof offered up during Monday's Vegas Summer League webcast.
During the game against Milwaukee, Maloof had said he asked Westphal when Tyreke Evans would be ready to start. Westphal replied, according to Maloof, that Evans would be the starter "as soon as he steps on the court." Westphal tells Jones that Maloof either confused summer league and the regular season, or let his excitement get the best of him.
"We certainly think that Tyreke has the ability to (start)," Westphal said. "He's the fourth player in the draft on a team that won 17 games; he's expected to contribute right away. But what that's going to look like has not been determined. I know that some people have had fun with that quote, but that was not my quote."
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HA HA Gavin and you haters...
I feel very much vindicated hearing it was Gavin Magoof and not Westphal stating Evans was the starter… so to all the Gavins on here who busted my chops for stating that naming Evans a starter now was stupid… LMAO at you… and a thank you to Westphal for instilling some hope in me that players have to earn their spot and are simply not anointed! There is some sanity within the Kings… BRAVO!
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Stay classy, Brandon Jennings
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by Holmdel on Jul 16, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holmdel put it best
But allow me to also say that I still believe that Evans could be a more capable starting point guard than Beno Udrih. And I’d also point out that Westphal did not dismiss the idea completely, but also that Westphal said:
But what that’s going to look like has not been determined.
Meaning that he might be the starter, he might not be.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Meaning
that he would have to EARN it through competition. All this ridiculous chatter about handing a starting job to a person who has never played an NBA game was silly. No coach with any sense is going to make that kind of statement in July.
And, as I suspected, a Maloof was talking out of the wrong end.
This is just more proof
That the Maloofs need to be seen more and heard less. I still think they need to create a VP position that handles a majority of the press interviews. Larry Baer is a great example in San Francisco – he knows the team inside and out, but understands the importance of saying the right thing at the right time.
Kind of like a Press Secretary for the President.
by otis29 on Jul 16, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adding to this
I still think it’s ridiculous to pretend that the point guard position is up for grabs in the preseason. Beno Udrih is flat awful, Tyreke Evans is the #4 pick and clearly has the physical tools necessary to play in this league. Sure, there’s going to be a learning curve, but we are talking about a 17 win team and BENO UDRIH.
Evans is going to be the starter barring injury, and dressing this up as some kind of competition is silly IMO.
by otis29 on Jul 16, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Completely agree
with your comment otis. Westphal is clearly positioning this subject in political terminology, but it seems obvious that Tyreke appears to have the tools to go on day one. On the subject of appointing a press secretary: if the Kings did go in that direction, as I certainly think they should, I would hope that the individual chosen would be more in the line of Tony Snow, may he rest in peace, rather than the “gift who keeps on giving” who now inhabits that position (Uh, uh, ummm, well, uh, let me take a look into that and, uhh, get back to you, ok?).
Off topic, but I'll bite.
Look up some of the Tony Snow montages on YouTube, he was just as bad. It doesn’t matter who’s got the job, that’s what the job of a press secretary is.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
Well kind of,
but you could also argue that Tony Snow was a lying sneaky snake, too. Seems like all that talking out his ass is what led to his prostate cancer.
Yeah, that was harsh, but dude, seriously. I still harbor ill-will towards the Cheney administration.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Competition is never silly.
And, so I’m clear, this needs to happen not only for Beno but more so for Tyreke. This isn’t only political, it is about the proper way to coach and motivate players – especially young, unproven players.
Based on tools and potential, Tyreke will eventually be the starter. It won’t hurt him or the team to go through the process of earning it.
And, as “awful” as Beno is (or can be), he is still a better shooter and ball handler than Tyreke, whose game still needs a lot of improvement. He’s not going to get away with his running through the lane like a half-back summer league routine against a real NBA defense. We all need to scale back our expectations just a bit.
Sure
But I believe someone else mentioned it as well…either Tyreke Evans can earn the position OR Beno Udrih can lose the position. Beno has done nothing in his time with the Kings to show he deserves to be the starting point guard for an NBA team. He has the position solely because of a lack of a better talent. That better talent is here now, so in my mind Beno is the one that needs to improve his game to take the position from Evans.
If this was a team that narrowly missed the playoffs last season, I might be more inclined to agree with you. But they won 17 games! Get your top pick in there from day 1 and see what he has.
beno is not a better ball handler than tyreke
btw Remember when Miki Moore started over JT?
what benefit did that have?
Best talent on the floor period.
"You look at Vladimir Radmanovic, this guy is cut from stone. As if Michelangelo was reading and a lightening bolt flashed before him."
-- Bill Walton, 2.8.2004
Bam.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely!
He very well could be… and if he is it will because he earned… which is how it should be…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
How quickly
we forget about Sergio. I doubt Beno (barring miraculous turn-around) is going to be even considered for the starting role.
Let me assure you that you're still an idiot
Given the information we had, no one on here was wrong. Gavin basically said that Westphal told him Evans would start. So don’t try to trash us because we defended it, you tool
www.mancancook.net
Toolage
You defended a false prophet and inaccurate information… and yet the kettle chucks rocks from their glass palace… nice :)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
i think hes combining two sayings,
but in doing so hes calling himself a tool. The pot calls the kettle black and dont throw rocks in a glass house
by passionforPERPS on Jul 16, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
He shouldve used glue instead of kettle
combining it with im rubber your glue…lol
by passionforPERPS on Jul 16, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I got that - just thought it was stupid
I should have been more direct.
Hey guys,
DNFTT
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Noob alert
That’s how.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 16, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't defend him
in fact, for the most part I admit you’re right. However, talking down to everyone here that “defended” Gavin and doing the whole “I told you so” shtick is classless and makes you look like a douch bag. You also need to consider that most of the debate in that post was centered around whether or not we thought Evans should start no whether or not we thought Gavin was right. So, good for you… you were right… Gavin was wrong… I’m a tool… but at least I’m not a holier than thou little prick
www.mancancook.net
Cuts both ways
You can’t set up camp on someones ass and not expect push back… if you dish, learn to take it, it is really that simple… and people came unglued way too easy, the whole click’ish thing and a new guy coming in here and saying something against the masses… I will try take that into consideration next time… so I will take the blame for not understanding the sensitivity level on here, that’s on me and I apologize for that only…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Folks here can take it
If “it” is a coherent argument against them. What upsets people is the “in your face!” type of attitude. You can disagree with the masses all you’d like, and if you do it in an intelligent manner, you’ll be respected. We don’t always agree, but it’s how you disagree that is most important.
For further reading on the subject, I’ll refer you to rbiegler’s recent post.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Point well taken... nice article
I will type out my piece then reread it an hour later before posting… hopefully that will take the edge off and I will sound less like a douche…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
That may work
But by the look of things, you are still gonna sound like a douche. Ohh well… what can you do
The future begins now...
Curious
I am admonished for my attitude which I apologized for… yet eduardo_m7 can call me a douche and that is allowed? Not trying to start anything just trying to understand where the line in the sand is drawn for myself and others… seems like two different sets of lines… I have no problem being civil (honest) but I won’t lay down and be a door mat for others… thanks…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Jul 16, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
making fun of a polite of suggestion on how to post here is like insulting someone. It was a pretty smartass move but I chose “douche” because you mentioned it yourself. If that wsn’t your intention, then I have no problem apologizing. ’Til then, I stand by my previous post
The future begins now...
I don't think anybody
has applauded eduardo (they might agree with him). I personally find it contentious.
That having been said, you crossed the line initially, and tempers/expectations are still simmering. I’d take the high road on this one, and wait a bit until things cool down.
I think you have set off some red flags, so I’m not so sure you won’t be greeted with skepticism in the future. As much as I admire the underdog, they do get picked apart here. But that is mostly because they feel obligated to play such a role, rather than arguing respectfully or intelligently.
Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.
Dude's from like Guatemala and barely speaks English
so we just kind of let it slide because he probably doesn’t even know what “douch” means
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Jul 16, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ed's Mexican dummy.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
A 'false prophet'?
seriously?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I understand your argument
I looked back through the original thread and see little to no discussion of whether Gavin or Westphal made this decision, and no arguing about that in particular. The argument of whether it is ok to name Evans the starter right now, four games into Summer League still stands. The fact that Westphal pulled back on that talk doesn’t change the argument, it just changes the current reality.
So the question stays the same – should Tyreke Evans be named the starting point guard for this team? I’d say yes, you’d say no…right?
So how has this news changed the facts of our disagreement?
The point that keeps being missed was...
Evans should not be GIVEN the starting gig three games into a fluff season, and that the info came from Gavin (seriously?) and NOT Westphal … simply go out and prove it and earn it… against Beno and some real NBA players… and my money is on Evans doing exactly that, he will EARN it… but people were taking it like an attack on Evans etc… some really sensitive people on here… any way, Westphal did good by speaking for himself, and my point was validated… :)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
No
that… wasn’t… missed… That… was… the… basis… for… the… entire… argument…
I’ll repeat Otis for you again…
So the question stays the same – should Tyreke Evans be named the starting point guard for this team?
It’s great that you think he should earn it. I agree. Others seem to feel that he is far above better than what we have already, and it really doesn’t matter. I really don’t see the significance of your pseudo-vindication.
…
Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.
by CAB on Jul 16, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lost interest at "Magoof"
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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
agreed...as soon as I see Magoof
I know the post is moronic, banal and lacking any intelligent thought. A 3 year old is funnier.
I have a really funny 9-year-old.
Zipped his head into his lunchbox as a Kindergartner to make the kids laugh. Reads joke books during free reading time. Has been known to walk the dog in his Darth Vader mask.
Maybe I’ll teach him a little about basketball this season so he can school some of the idiot newbies.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 16, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Kid looks good in a fedora, too.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 16, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He's either going to be a very funny famous comedian,
or he may possibly die a virgin (and as the proud owner of an extensive Star Wars collectable things collection).
It’s too close to call at this point.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
"Collectable things collection" is almost redundant
and virtually repetitive.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Nearly unnecessary bolstering, too.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope
The chicks dig him. He was voted Coolest of the Cool in his second grade class.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 19, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldnt mind if he was the Annointed One
Just as long as it doesnt affect his grip on the ball.
by passionforPERPS on Jul 16, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Earned or not, Evans will be starting - period.
And if he does indeed start on the first game of the season, you won’t be seeing me run some victory lap saying ‘I told you so’.
It’s in the best interest of the team. When has an owner ever made sense anyways?
No car flags necessary.
It hurts to say this but...
The starting point guard for the Kings in Beno Udrih. (For the time being).
BOOK IT!
"the starting point guard for the kings in Beno Udrih."
tyreke and beno are lovers?
Honestly I’m sure Westphal told Maloof Tyreke could probably start once the season arrived. Gavin, like the jolly douche he is, decided to yell about it on NBA broadband without thinking of the fact that:
1.) Petrie would like to trade Udrih, Announcing he wasn’t starting at this point would result in dropping his stock even lower.(possible?)
2.) that it’s not a good idea to piss a player off for no reason by not making it look like there is at least a competition for the job.
Also if tyreke cant win the job over Udrih in preseason and practice…he isnt ready yet.
(sorry for atrocious grammer, no coffee yet)
"You look at Vladimir Radmanovic, this guy is cut from stone. As if Michelangelo was reading and a lightening bolt flashed before him."
-- Bill Walton, 2.8.2004
and this is exactly why
I was upset with gavin opening his mouth. Hope some people understand where I was coming from now.
That being said, I have little doubt that evans will finish the season as a starter. He should start from day one but that’s westphal’s call
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
When you're born on third base and think you hit a triple
..you don’t learn basic business concepts like “keep your decisions close to the vest”.
by discocricket on Jul 16, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I was born because my dad rounded third base and hit a home run...
I’m assuming most of you were, too.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I was born in a dugout
It’s sort of like a manger, except that there’s tobacco spit all over the place.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Your dad forgot to take out his dip?
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Born, not conceived
Key difference there.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah
Timing is everything.
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
All this talk about Tyreek
and it seems nobody noticed the Kings summer league is a last place 0-4. Sad
by KingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It was discussed yesterday
Consensus: Summer League results don’t matter
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I'm only interested in how certain individuals perform
The record doesn’t really matter, since a vast majority of these players won’t be on an NBA roster come November. Besides, the Kings had a winning record in the summer league last season, while the Lakers had a losing record and Cleveland was 0-5.
by otis29 on Jul 16, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
Performances and things like limiting turnovers matter.
ooh what if
Beno takes this competion for starting seriously and plays out of his mind and Westy makes him the starter?
Hahaha yeah I’m sure.
by Ice_9ine on Jul 16, 2009 8:42 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
That would be the best-case scenario
If Udrih was suddenly playing at a much higher level and realized his potential, I would be ecstatic. Then we’d have a good point guard with a few years of experience and a talented rookie. It would also make it easier to try to shed his contract if the team wanted to.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Truth
Evans being AUTOMATIC for the starting gig is a joke… he will earn it… if he stinks it up in preseason and like you said Beno just goes off, Evans will not start… and Beno is the same guy so many loved in his first season are many of the same that hate him now… it is what it is… the competition factor will light a fire under Beno or it will crush his sensitivity… wonder which guy will show up?
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Go Sergio!
Spanish Chocolate from day one!
by Ice_9ine on Jul 16, 2009 9:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
We should play Segio over Beno and just eat our mistake.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jul 16, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
So you want to have your mistake and eat it too?
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And with that, my friend,
you totally prove your signature line is lie!
"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."
by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he really any better?
Never watched him enough to know… would hate to just trade faces…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Honestly guys
Sergio Rodriguez, if he turns out to work well in Westphal’s system, might end up being the starter for a while. And Tyreke starts out as a scoring sixth man, which doesn’t bother me at all. And maybe fighting for his career lights a fire under Beno, because he’s quickly becoming K-9 the 2nd, except worse, since we got him through free agency and not trades.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
I have no problem with that at all.
If Sergio does start, feel free to LMAO at all of the people who disagree with you and label them ‘haters’. I love the interwebz.
No car flags necessary.
If he earns it - he earns it
Good for him
I hope they give him a shot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 16, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
In 1 word: Good
It was premature of Gavin to say what he did. The end.
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In 1 word: Pookey
cannot limit his opinion to just one word. ;p
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
To borrow a phrase from one-time Cardinals pitcher Joaquin Andujar...
The Kings point guard situation can be summed up in two words:
“You never know”
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless it's profane.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 19, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
in all honesty...
…give Reke the starting job. He is obviously in the future plans for the Kings…Beno not so much. For all this “he must earn his spot” I offer this questions “What has Beno done to earn his starting spot???” If winning 17 games earns you the starting spot then Beno is your man.
I do agree that Westphal and the Maloofs need to keep their mouths shut when it comes to things like this…we dont want to make Beno cry now do we????
A side to this that I don't think has been mentioned
Is it wise to counter the owner like this in the press?
I agree that the Malooves should keep their mouths shut but:
I hope Wes talked to Gavin and Gavin felt like an idiot and told Wes to clear it up with the media and he’ll stay quiet from now on.
I fear that they didn’t actually talk and the front office resembles the keystone cops in a Charlie Chaplin movie.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Maybe lying to the Maloofs is part of our new direction
I wouldn’t mind, considering how the Maloofs have constantly been wrong in recent history. Maybe if we give them the wrong facts, they’ll actually make the right decisions.
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