Kings Clips, July 16

by Ziller on Jul 16, 2009 10:52 AM PDT in Links Comment 44 comments

Cancer cause is personal for Barnes, Jackson - Sacramento Bee
Joe Davidson talks about Matt Barnes and Bobby Jackson, who have a golf tournament benefitting cancer-related charities coming up in August. There's also some news on Jackson's NBA future in there.

Can Tyreke Evans And Kevin Martin Play Together? | A Royal Pain
A Joe Johnson comparison, some more of that whole "he's not a PG!" stuff, etc. I'll probably have more on this later.

Cowbell Kingdom.com - Game 4 Recap

Ailene Voisin: Brockman gives Kings needed toughness - Sacramento Bee

Kings Blog and Q&A: Shame on them
Voisin shakes her finger at the 0-4 Summer Kings. If that won't fix 'em, nothing will.

Thunder notebook | NewsOK.com
Former Kings assistant Rex Kalamian could land on Scotty Brooks's bench in OKC. Good for him. Wish all the former assistants well.

T'wolves GM to meet with Rubio's team - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Ricky might be in the NBA next year after all.

SportingNews.com - The Baseline
Chris Kaman terrifies me.

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Honestly

Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin might be one of the best backcourts in the league, especially when you combine Evans driving and K-Marts shooting. Double one and you probably leave the other open.

And to Ailene Voisin. Going 5-0 in the Summer League would mean the same thing as going 0-5. The players are different, the coach is different, the style is different, and the officiating is waaaaaaay different. Summer League is to see how you’re players have improved and how they can work together. You shouldn’t be worried about wins or losses. Whats that going to affect? Summer League Ping Pong balls? It really boggles my mind how Voisin is still on the Bee staff. At least we have Amick.

I’ll be worried if we start the season 0-5 though. Although knowing the NBA we’ll start with a 5 game road trip against the Lakers, Orlando, Boston, San Antonio and Dallas.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget Cleveland

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by vfettke on Jul 16, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No we'll get Cleveland as our home opener.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and for our second home game on a back-to-back

We’ll play last year’s All-NBA Team, w/ the 2nd and 3rd teams as their bench.

by rc360 on Jul 16, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand...

If teams switch their PG to K-Mart, isn’t he just going to use his length and shoot over and drive right over them?

by HarbirD on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly why I love our backcourt

If opposing teams switch their points to Kevin Martin, he’ll annihilate you even easier than Tyreke will, at least now. Remember how much problems Antoine Wright of Dallas bothered Kevin last year? If they have to switch him to Tyreke this year and put Jason Kidd on Speedracer, Kevin’s gonna go for 50. It’s truly a pick your poison backcourt now.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understood the point but didn't agree either

I don’t see that many backcourts that could shut both Evans and Martin off.

The author also kind of lost me when he wrote the following about Joe Johnson and LeBron James

They can’t create easy baskets with a pass. They can’t run a team.

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that LeBron IS able to create easy baskets for his teammates

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 16, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He does create easy looks for them

they just aren’t reliable when it counts

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by vfettke on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LeBron averaged 7.2 apg last year

Guy can’t create at all.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Regular season

then in the postseason they all just stand around and watch

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by vfettke on Jul 16, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He had 7.7 apg in the postseason.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya...

I really didn’t get the Joe Johnson comparison at all. Evans and Johnson aren’t really similar players at all. Quite frankly, Evans best comparison is probably LeBron James. James shoots and finishes better, but they both can set up their teammates and rebound the ball while also playing good to great defense. Not to mention their driving ability. Evans is smaller and I’m not saying he’s as good as James, but that their games are similar.

Quick question though, watching the Kings v. D-League team. Anyone know why Casspi switched his jersey mid game to the 52? Ripped? Did I miss something?

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man I would hate to hope that we add a talent like Joe Johnson to our roster

because we should be expecting so much more for our #4 pick? Remember, these guys aren’t guaranteed superstars. If Evans turns out to be a JJ and not a LeBron, he’s still miles above Beno.

by LPKingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AND

LeBron does run the team, even with Mo Williams and Delonte West. It’s not traditional, but he does it.

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by submison on Jul 16, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Martin and Tyreke

Could pose match up problems on offense . However i think it’s fair to say that , they may struggle defensively against certain match ups

by hectic2 on Jul 16, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree

the article’s argument didn’t make sense. having KMart and Tyreke in our backcourt is a huge advantage for the Kings. opposing coach’s are going to have match-up problems with their backcourt.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jul 16, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also agree

If Kevin Martin could be neutralized by an opposing point guard, teams would have figured that out by now. It’s not like Beno or Bobby were too big a threat to have a SG guard them.

I also don’t understand the logic that adding another scoring threat makes our backcourt somehow worse.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Opposing PGs Guard Kevin...

I think he’ll lead the league in those crazy-looking, one-handed, shot put makes while being fouled in the lane. Only, instead of being fouled on his arm somewhere, it’ll be pushes in the back, as his length will get him over any 6’2" PG guarding him.

Think of the potential of Kevin penetrating and dishing off to a cutting Tyreke who can finish at the rim with his size against forwards/centers after Kevin draws his man in a double team.

by #12Pick...who? on Jul 16, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought this was a Kings - Clippers game thread

there for a minute. Not really a fan of Links-n-Links, but it’s better than Kings Clips. Sorry.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What if we get kinda wacky

Kings Klippings or something

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by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Royal Reading

Maybe?

by propane on Jul 16, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ummmm...

no.

I vote we let Ziller continue to experiment and everyday bash his efforts. That’s much more entertaining.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Jul 16, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I second this.

New name for the links everyday!

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tomorrow should be

K-9’s Korner

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Comments like this are

why you are my hero.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean she isn't your hero?

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Should be fun

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by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't agree on the Joe Johnson comparison..

Johnson is a great outside shooter and more of a finesse player, Tyreke is almost the opposite of that; he muscles his way into the paint and he isn’t that great of a shooter yet. LeBron James is way better of a comparison, and hopefully Evans develops an outside shot like LeBron has.

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by submison on Jul 16, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

One particular item

that I think that Evans could emulate that LeBron does well is to stay more upright on his drives. It seems that Evans gets really low, which is good for driving, but bad for court vision. Being more upright with head on a swivel is by my account a trademark of guards who deliver effective passes off of dribble-drives.

As an aside: When bringing the ball up, Evans seems to also use his long arms to keep his dribble height low—it’s almost like he barely dribbles when he crosses over, just changes hands. Lowering the dribble height is a good way not to get the ball stolen and to keep the ball within reach should a passing situation arise. He should better use those same long arms in combo with his body to shield the ball—in addition to his nasty crossover.

It seems like Tyreke will be able to straighten his shot out. It looked pretty bad last night (worse than in other summer league games), but his hand was hurt, I guess.

by DustyG on Jul 16, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff Dusty

I’m sure Kings’ coaching staff is going to look into all of that. Those seem to be small habits he has that could greatly improve his game if fixed

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 16, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he's only 19.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny

Maybe they won’t stay with the Kings that long but I hope people realize Evans and Hawes are not going to hit their peak for another 7 to 8 years. By then JT will be an “old” 30 and Kevin will be a 35 year-old veteran

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 16, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True, if Hawes' knees cooperate.

by cabz on Jul 16, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Johnson is anything but a finesse player

How many SG’s in the league are stronger than Joe?

by Charlieb on Jul 17, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not many

but just because a player is strong doesn’t mean they don’t finesse the ball.

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by submison on Jul 17, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Voisin shakes her finger at the 0-4 Summer Kings

I’d hate to point out the obvious but Westphal has only been hired as coach for a month and has yet to hold a practice. Our rookies have been on the team for 2 weeks and it’s July 16, 2009. I imagine it’s going to take some time and work to fix the teams bad habits. I heard the time table was around 2 years, not 2 weeks.

by bignerd on Jul 16, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

They'd be 4-0 under Whisenant

Sorry – I’m just chanelling my inner Ailene.

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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I await

Aileen’s article asking for Jenny Boucek to be added to the staff. There has to be some way to spin her failure in the WNBA as a positive for her in the NBA.

by otis29 on Jul 16, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is that they aren't sexy enough

They need to call in Bruno.

by Bitgod on Jul 16, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ricky might be in the NBA next year after all.

Shocking it could happen. Totally shocked I tell you.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That Royal Pain blog is awful. Wow. It’s mindboggingly that he thinks Lebron doesn’t create easy shots for others or can’t run a team. He really classifies Lebron as a ball mover type passer. Unbelievable. His comment about McGrady never being more than just good is maybe even more absurd. McGrady’s was a bonafide megastar. His 2003 season when his PER was 30.3 is one of the best individual seasons of all time. I don’t know how you can think he was only just good.

I wouldn’t be comparing Evans to Joe Johnson either. Two totally different players. Johnson makes his hay from the outside and isn’t good at getting to the line. Evans struggles to shoot and his greatest attribute right now is attacking the basket and getting to the line. I would say a lot of their games are mirror opposites.

If one is going to make the rosiest comparison, I would say Evans is similar to Wade. Wade played point guard his rookie season too, he’s classified as a combo guard just like Evans, he attacks the rim nonstop, his outside shot was suspect when he first entered the league just like Evans though his stroke was much better, his arms extend forever just like Evans. I think Wade was far less selfish than Evans showed in college and in summer league and balanced his scoring and involving his teammtes more seamlessly.

I think a closer comparison is with Stackhouse, who was also a suspect shooter, a rim attacker, could be a black hole.

by Galeto on Jul 16, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

T-Mac had great talent

But, he was not a dominant player in that sense of the word that is applied to LeBron James. Your comparison’s with Stackhouse seem closer to right (something that freaks me out when Chad Ford said it—I didn’t believe that type of player would greatly succeed in Sacramento—but we’ll see), and Wade is probably his best case scenario.

But, yeah, the stereotype was a bit over-the-top.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs