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Westphal drilling Evans, Thompson, Grene and Casspi on shooting fundamentals

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One cool thing about Westphal

is that he was completely ambidextrous shooting wise. He could hit a left handed or right handed jumper. Hopefully he can help JT and ’Reke finish with their left hand better, hopefully provide some tips.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Was?

He still is.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is simple

He’s still ambidextrous shooting the basketball but he no longer plays basketball at the NBA. (I bet without heavy guarding, he can still be heavily proficient at it.)

My point here is simple: He’s the best shooter of all them, and that’s a problem given that he’s a head coach.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You nitpicky douche

You knew what I meant.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And still know in fact.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me?

A nitpicking douche? Not I, good sir! (Nitpicking douche > Greek douche)

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many players in the NBA are better shooters than Westphal right now

presuming his shot is close to as good as it was when he played?

10?

We’re probably fortunate that we have one of those guys on our team at all.

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by ForThree on Jul 16, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can i kick your head in now?

Or is that just a side benefit of kicking your head in?

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

That’s why you have a brain.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could shoot from the sideline

Like John Salley in “Eddie”

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by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do these guys

 not know the fundamentals already? How have all the coaches these guys have ever played for not taught them to shoot?

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by BPaoliano on Jul 16, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have my head coach work on our players shooting

than assume they don’t need it.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't Shaq hit his FTs?

Why don’t all NBA players shoot 90%? I believe there is always room to improve and you develop bad habits over time. So, going back to the basics occasionally and reinforcing the fundamentals is something every NBA player should do.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your points.^^

But my question stemmed from a thought I had after reading the criticism of Evans’ poor shooting mechanics (i.e. lack of fundamentals). I guess I just assumed that a high profile talent like Evans, with such a pedigree would have a better grasp of what it took to shoot effectively.

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by BPaoliano on Jul 16, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shooting can always be fixed, even when a player is 30 (albeit much harder then). Ball handling, vision, run with the ball, balance, coordination, toughness – these must be instilled at a young age because some people just can’t do it. If a player has the discipline and effort to reach elite levels in the abovementioned, then they can learn to shoot with the best trainers in the world. Hardly worthy for a High School coach to insist he can teach elite shooting. It’s alot easier to force the kid to run around without looking at the ball.

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by iashwash on Jul 16, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your frustration

I think it comes from the fact that he has always been far more talented than those around him, so coaches haven’t taken the time to improve other aspects of his game. Fundamental basketball is terribly uncoached to.

There are two types of great players: athletes and fundamentals. Fundamental guys can stll be great athletes, and great athletes can have good fundamentals, but a lot of players can be categorized into one category or the other. Guys like Nash, Kidd, Duncan or Ray Allen have built their games on fundamentals. A guy like Dwayne Wade (obviously still a great player, and a guy who has some very good fundamental skills) is more reliant on his athleticism.

As iawash says, a player can be taught to shoot when it is needed, but you can’t teach athleticism. Think of how guys like Jordan and Kobe adapted as they got older, learned more fundamental shooting, etc, in order to extend their playing time after they could no longer rely on their athleticism as much.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 16, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

for a viable answer. I understand revisiting fundamentals when in a shooting slump but getting to the NBA with poor form is perplexing.

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by BPaoliano on Jul 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magic Johnson couldn't shoot very well either

It’s a learned skill, and not everyone that one learns as naturally as others.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Jordan

I could list many superstar’s that couldn’t.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was just about to say Jordan.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 16, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been nice if someone had helped him rework his shot earlier

but they didn’t, so now seems like a good time.

 As for:

I just assumed that a high profile talent like Evans, with such a pedigree would have a better grasp of what it took to shoot effectively.

There are and have been a lot of high profile talents with strange shots. Some effective, some not.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have read in more than a few places

That Calipari didn’t want to knowing Evans was going to be gone in a year.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've read that too

and it makes sense. When learning new mechanics you would likely be worse for a while before you get better. If a player is only going to be around for one year, it might not be worth investing in the “worse” time only to have someone else benefit after he’s gone.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jul 16, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But didn't Calipari help D-Rose revamp his shot?

I remember reading somewhere (I think NBAdraft.net) that Rose worked hard on completely changing his jump shot freshman year. If it was Calipari that helped with Rose’s J, it’s strange that he wouldn’t help Evans since he was also a one and done prospect.

by kingsfan300 on Jul 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose was a 62% (or so) free throw shooter in college

He’s become much better as a pro. Whether or not Calipari helped him, he was not known for his shooting ability coming out of college. Many folks compared him to Jason Kidd.

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by section214 on Jul 16, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

playing at memphis

actually hurt tyreke. it’s a little known fact that he was a 50% 3pt shooter every year of high school play since the 7th grade. from 9th -12th grade tyreke scored over 3,300 points. at least half were off jump shots. he was actually more of a shooter than slasher. the same people who bashed his shooting after a down year at memphis were the same ones who praised his shooting going into college. cal ran an offense that called for the ball handler to attack the basket in search of his own shot first. if you don’t get a good look, you then kick it out and the next player does the same thing. this style leads to more turnovers and less ast than most offenses. for instance, rose only avg 4.7 ast with 2.7to and that was while playing in the same back court of a first team all american. tyreke was a better play maker before he went to memphis. his junior year of high school he avg 9 ast and his sr year he avg 6ast despite starting with 3 other highly recruited pg’s in the lineup. playing at memphis help his attacking the basket but, it hurt his play making ability. tyreke only struggled off the ball because playing the point was all he knew. it’s not like in jrue holiday’s case who has NEVER played the point in high school or aau and then struggled in college. (which makes me ask why holiday was considered a pg and tyreke wasn’t especially since tyreke is the one who had any experience playing the point in high school or college.) if drose was asked to play sg he’d struggle so why wouldn’t tyreke ?. cal also hurt his confidence in his jumper, which tyreke mentioned pre-draft. whenever tyreke would shoot a jumper instead of driving, he’d get pulled immediately. tyreke couldn’t shoot without looking over his should to see if he’d be subbed. give him time, it will pay dividends. i’ve been watching tyreke since his first high school game (as a 7th grader) when he scored 27 pts on loul deng. (deng was the number 2 sr. in the country behind lebron.) i’ve also coached against him in a few aau tournaments and trust me, he is a special player. the dwade comparisons are legit. to be honest, he’d mop the floor with a 19 yr. old wade. btw i’m a lakers fan. but because i’m a fan tyreke’s, i will root for you guys all year except for a certain 4 games of course.
p.s. don’t worry about jennings stripping tyreke, they’ve been playing since tyreke’s team beat jennings’ at the 14 & under aau nationals and that’s the first time that’s happened. in fact, tyreke floored jennings a few times while they worked out for minnesota last month.

by bukey on Jul 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

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You die.

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by Jaycee on Jul 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Quick, use your "revive" potion, bro...

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by PhutureKings on Jul 17, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noob alert

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by My Losing Season on Jul 17, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is actually

Pretty informative for a person (like me) who wasn’t aware of Evans until last year. Don’t let the amount of uninterrupted text scare you away. Pop an adderall and read it.

by furious.d on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

… excellent firsthand info, and who wouldn’t like more of that?

I would rec it but for the formatting.

by twasserm on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

 once i get going it’s hard to stop.

by bukey on Jul 17, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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