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Grading and Evaluating the Kings Summer League

(From the FanPosts. Solid evaluation from Aykis. -- TZ)

So Vegas is finally done, and the Kings ended up 1-4, but there were a lot of things to see this summer that you can take good things from, and a lot of things we need to work on.  We won't be able to watch our guys play against other teams again until October so now its time for them to take back whatever they learned, and continue to work on it during the camps and be ready for pre-season and the regular season.

Evaluations after the jump.

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The Grading system is based on an A, B, C, D, F format, with basically C being a performance that was ok, not great, while an A is exceedingly difficult to get.  It must mean you played absolutely out of your mind and blew away expectations. I am not giving an A to any Kings player.  F means the player played well below expectations and looked like a complete bust on the floor.

Let's start with our Vets.

Jason Thompson - Grade: C

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2009 SAC 5 5 33.8 .459 .000 .614 2.8 3.8 6.6 1.6 0.4 0.8 2.80 7.00 19.0

JT had almost two seperate performance this year, the first 3 games being about a D and the last two being a B.  JT definitely did not look comfortable to start.  He was not rebounding well, at all, with only an average of about 4 rebounds per game for his first three games.  On the floor, he wasn't finishing post moves at an efficient rate, and his free throw shooting was not good at all (and it was still bad throughout Vegas).  He really does need to work on his Free Throws because he did a good job of getting to the line, with 44 attempts overall.  To put that in perspective, 'Reke had 51 attempts. JT's jumper looked pretty good, and his defense was ok throughout the league, although it was much improved in the last two games (when he was playing a lot of Power Forward) and he had a few blocks in each game.  David Thorpe tweeted that JT didn't have the lift he used to.  I think this is because of all the muscle JT added.  Is this a good thing if it affects him in the season?  We'll have to wait and see if we want a weaker, faster JT to a stronger, slower JT.  Another reason JT's performance suffered this year in my opinion was because he spent a lot of the time playing Center, and to me that's not really JT's position.  He works well with Spencer for a reason, and I think he'll have a good pre-season showing.

Donté Greene - Grade: D-

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2009 SAC 5 3 22.2 .293 .125 .650 1.8 4.0 5.8 1.2 0.8 0.8 1.60 2.00 7.6

The only reason Donté doesn't get an F is because of his improved defense, which was impressive at times.  But it really looked like Buckéts actually got worse.  He shot only 29.3% from the field and 12.5% from 3.  His FT% isn't good at all either for someone who is supposed to be a good shooter.  I don't know whats up with Donté's shot, but it defnitely needs work.  Donté did add some bulk over the summer, but he also looked uncomfortable with it.  He had a few good post moves but he didn't convert nearly enough of his drives.  And most of his jumpers were off.  His rebounding numbers were good, and his man-to-man defense was excellent at times (especially in the 4th quarter of the Warriors game against Randolph).  But overall this was a craptastic performance for Donté and thats being positive.

Now the Rooks:

Tyreke Evans - Grade: B+

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2009 SAC 5 4 30.2 .403 .286 .784 1.2 5.0 6.2 4.2 1.0 0.2 4.20 2.00 19.2

You've got to like what you see in this kid.  He is a very ball dominant guy but he didn't seem to have a problem sharing the ball.  Even though he only averaged 4.2 assists a game (capped by a 7 assist game against Milwaukee), a lot of his passes were simply either not finished, or the player he passed to was fouled.  So he's getting his teammates involved.  And the way he hits the boards is impressive, but you almost expect him to do it.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see a triple-double or two out of Evans his rookie year.  The way he takes it to the rim, its almost a guaranteed score each time, either cause of a layup or from the free throw line, and he's going to be at the line A LOT.  Evans defense was also rather good, although he wasn't matched on the point guard very much until the Milwaukee game when he was put on Jennings, and Jennings probably had the best performance of any player against Evans and it wasn't like he was scoring dominantly, with only 13 points.  Now the reason Tyreke doesn't get an A is for a couple reasons: His turnovers and his jumpshot.  Evans averaged a 1:1 a/to ratio. 4.2 turnovers a game.  That needs to be improved, but I'm not duly worried.  I think with the better shooters on our team during the season, the assists will go up, and as for the turnovers, that just comes with experience.  But at best, they'll only drop to about 3 a game, which is something you can't really help when the guy is going to have the ball in his hands for 90% of the time he's in the game.  As for his jumper, that thing is ugly as hell and he definitely needs to work on it.  That's probably whats going to determine if he becomes a superstar or not.  He sort of flings the ball at the basket and leans back when he shoots. It's hard to contest, but it also doesn't tend to go in that much either.  Look to see improvement on that during the season and over the next couple years.  We've got good teachers on our staff now, and one of the best shooters ever in Westphal as our Coach.  I'm really happy with 'Reke's performance, which would probably have been even better had he not sprained his finger after the 3rd game.

Omri Casspi - Grade: C-

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2009 SAC 5 4 22.4 .295 .286 .833 2.2 2.2 4.4 1.6 0.8 0.4 3.40 2.00 8.0

The Zohan is definitely an interesting prospect.  If you look at his summer league performance, you can see he had about the same stats as Donte, if not a little better in everything but turnovers.  He looked a little out of it to start Vegas, but that's to be expected since the first game was only his 2nd time playing with these guys, and 1st time playing competitively for about a month.  Omri is a very scrappy player, and tends to try hard on the defensive end, even if he doesn't succeed, and on the offensive end, has the makings of a good Point Forward, showing some good playmaking skills.  He's also much quicker than I think anyone expected.  But he's playing too fast in my opinion.  He needs to slow down and learn to play in the flow of the game.  You can see how out of control he is sometimes by his 3.4 to/g.  His jumper is interesting.  It looks smooth almost every time, but it either swishes or goes short.  He'll definitely need to work on it, because he definitely has the talent to become a very good shooter, and if he can combine that with some of the slashing ability he showed, he'll be a good player in this league.  He'll need to adapt to the NBA game and that might take this season, but in a few years, I think he'll be breakout material like Peja and Hedo were.

Jon Brockman - Grade: B-

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2009 SAC 5 4 21.6 .409 .000 .450 4.6 4.6 9.2 1.2 0.8 0.2 0.80 3.00 5.4

Brockman did exactly what we wanted him to do, and a little more.  He continuously hit the floor to save the ball and a few times that resulted in fast break points for us.  On the boards, he would consistently out work much taller guys for the ball and averaged 9.2 rebounds (half of which were on the offensive board) in 21.6 minutes.  Defensively he was sort of being taken advantage of by the taller guys, although he tried his best.  He probably won't ever be an answer there, although sometimes he'll surprise with the occasional block, and he did well with not fouling, only averaging 3 a game in a league with refs that like whistling almost as much as Jon likes to rebound.  Where Jon needs to focus a lot of effort into is finishing at the basket, and more importantly in my opinion, develop a consistent jumpshot.  The reason for the jumpshot being more important is Jon's height.  He ended up getting blocked quite a few times when he tried to take it inside.  If he develops a nice 15 foot jumper that he can make enough to keep the defense honest, he'll be a player in this league for a while.  He had mixed results on the jumper in Vegas, some going in, the others badly missing.  So hopefully he continues to work on it, because I think he's a lock to make the team.  This is definitely a guy you want in the practice room.

As for the other players on the team, I think McNeal did an ok job, and might get a camp invite, although the guy who for certain locked a spot in camp is Marcus Landry.  The guy is very skilled and is a great spot-up shooter.  He isn't afraid of taking it to the rack either, and his defense was solid.  I think we pick up Landry as K-Mart/Cisco insurance.  But he definitely has a place in this league, shooting 48.6% from the field (mostly jumpers) and 42% from three.

Overall I was sort of disappointed with our Vegas performance, especially to start.  I know wins and losses don't mean much, but I don't like the mindset of accepting any losses, especially after last season.  And it was the way we lost games, being up late and then losing it at the end.  The comforting part about it is, it wasn't really our team, and Westphal hasn't put his system yet.  We'll see how we do in the preseason.  We saw some encouraging signs from the rooks this year for sure, and hopefully they'll be successful in strengthening the weak parts of their games.

October can't arrive soon enough.  Go Kings.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Pretty good acessment

I think you were a little unfair giving Casspi the benefit of the doulbe because he hadn’t played in a month. Then you gave Greene a lower rating even though you said yourself that their numbers were similar. Greene hasn’t been doing much competetive basketball since the season ended. Casspi had twice as many TO’s and fewer Rebounds. Their overall shooting percentage was similar, but Greene fewer 3’s and made less.

You know Greene came in last year as a player who couldn’t Defend, didn’t handle the ball well, and had no left hand. Well, he did what we asked and he stopped putting up a large number of 3’s. And, he went to the rim more often both offensively and defensively. So, he got more rebounds, blocked some shots, scored some baskets & got some assists driving to the basket. Now, were going to criticise him for the way he did it. This is July and the season ended 2 & 1/2 months ago. How much did we really expect him to improve in that short time. He’s wasn’t able to do those things in his one yr of college and in his rookie NBA season. At least wait until the end of training camp before we classify him a failure.

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by HighTops on Jul 18, 2009 1:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Casspi put up similar numbers to Donte

as a player who has played European style basketball all his life, while Donte played in the league last year and has grown up with the NBA. And I’m not classifying Donte as a failure. I’m classing his summer league performance as a D- if I put a grade there. His performance was not good by any means. For example, here are Donte’s stats last year in summer league:

22.6 points per game (42.5% from the field, 36.8% from 3, 86% from FT), 3.6 RPG, 1.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.0 To/G. That was before he played in the NBA at all. I don’t see how you can give Donte a better grade than an international rookie like Casspi who put up the same numbers when Donte has already proven that he can do waaaaaaaaay better than that. So to conclude, I’m not throwing Donte under the bus, just calling his performance miserable. Casspi’s wasn’t great either. But you got to look at it in context.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 18, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're missing HT's point

It wasn’t about Donte’s #‘s. it was about how Donte WENT ABOUT his game. He was showing strides with it even if he wasn’t a perfect 10 this summer. That wasn’t the point of this summer about Donte. It was about changing his style of play for both him & JT, and I think we’ll actually look back and recognize that it’s a very good thing Spencer didn’t come to Summer League. In a way, it forced JT & Donte to play in ways they wouldn’t be as comfortable with otherwise. If they can adapt and play a certain style without Shawes around, they’re going to increase their presence as players who bring tangible things to the Kings.

The biggest concern I have with Casspi now is that he won’t be able to play PF like he was being billed before the draft.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 18, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I see what you mean with Donte

although I still think he performed lousily.

As for Casspi, I never EVER thought he’d be a 4 in this league. He’s a 3 that can play the 2. I think Donte has a better chance at being a 3 that can play the 4, like Rashard Lewis.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 18, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Martin & Garcia

The Kings have plenty of 2’s. It’s the other 4 positions they need help at.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 18, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm most upset we only have one 5 on the team.

And we’re looking at signing another unathletic 4. Even Calvin Booth would be better in my opinion.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 18, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a lot of C's in this league

Which is why Orlando matched the offer to Gortat even if they don’t really have minutes for him.

On the other hand, JT playing C was a good thing because he needs to be effective there if the Kings are going to take their team to the next level.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 18, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also think Donte needs some slack...

…because he gained 15 pounds of muscle over a very short period of time and can be expected to need a few more months to get used to that and use it better.

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by Holmdel on Jul 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think that's the same with JT as well

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that

I think Donte is good on weight, maybe even shed about 5 pounds (if he’s really 240 now), and just work on his game now. Same with JT, although I don’t want him shedding any weight, just getting used to his new bulk.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 18, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also the Western conference just got a lot smaller

With Yao out and Shaq in Cleveland there is less need now to sign a big center in the West.

by BrooklynFan on Jul 26, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Diogu

He had the best two games of his career last season playing the center next to JT.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jul 21, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, Casspi is going to be a Point Forward, but not a 4

I don’t think he has the body to put on the weight that he will need to play the 4 in the NBA. And, I don’t think he has the quickness to guard the 2. But, he can handle the ball and drive & dish once he gets used to the speed of the NBA.

Also, that brings up a point I forgot to mention, Casspi has 4 yrs of orginized professional basketball. Including time playing in the Euroleague championships. He should be ahead of Donte or at least more use to playing the 3.

Donte’s shooting percentages are definitely down, but I contribute that to his getting away from playing in the early part of the summer. And, that goes for JT also. Remember, all of the draft choices have been working hard on their game after college, getting ready for the NBA camps & the draft. While JT & Donte have been working in the weight room, and on ballhandling and defense. JT is just a much better FT shooter that he showed in SL and Donte is a better 3pt shooter than he showed.

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by HighTops on Jul 18, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Omri & Cisco may be a nice 2-3 punch at SG/SF

with a non-traditional backup G who is smaller (like Quincy Douby ironically). Especially if Cisco & Omri can do the ball-handling duties.

Now, I’m not saying Omri can do it, but if he can, that will make it much easier for Westphal to use non-traditional lineup’s.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 18, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

smaller backup G

“with a non-traditional backup G who is smaller (like Quincy Douby ironically)” —
we’ve got Sergio Rodriguez & Beno Udrih… or we could go get another one. I heard Ramon Sessions is still available.

I think Zohan shouldn’t be a playmaker, instead if he concentrated on developing a consistent outside j (15-20 ft), he’ll be a superb SF because he’ll be able to add hesitation drives and fakes to his game and become impossible to defend.

Also he needs to get a little stronger to take impact and finish at the hole.

Moving at the speed of molasses.

by elfboy_ on Jul 19, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beno could play the smaller backup 2

He’s a decent scorer + shooter. Sergio is pretty much what you would consider a true point.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 19, 2009 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone should be a playmaker

if we want to get back to old Kings basketball.

Pass, hustle, pass, hustle, pass

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 20, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe people need to let old time Kings basketball go

Because this team is not very likely to duplicate that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good assessment, here's my take:

Honestly I was shocked to see the discrepancy between JT the 4 and JT the 5, I just assumed he’d be able to man both without too much of a hiccup, and maybe in the regular season with a bit more practice time that will hold true. I think that his performance at the summer league shows us that the Kings need to find a back-up, placeholder type center ASAP. I felt like I was watching the JT as a 3 experiment all over again. On a more positive note, I could see flashes of an improved JT, especially his ability to get to the line. I noticed especially when he played the role of PF his confidence was boosted, and he put his new size and power to work, doing what we expected and kicking butt. It could be that he was not at all mentally prepared to play the 5 expecting SHawes to be there, and didn’t get a chance to learn the position. As for athletically, I think that as he adjusts to his new bulk we’ll see a return to his prior mobility. I give him 2 grades, D- when he played center, and a B/B+ for his time at the PF.

As for Donté, I hope for his sake he was hung over/still drunk, because nobody should be that poor offensively when sober. All kidding aside, I was pleasantly surprised by his D. What really sticks out in my mind was his excellent rebounding early on. It was also nice to see him cut back on the chucking up of every shot imaginable. Also it seems like he has made major strides on his ball handling and taking it to the rack. Which was nice to see. At one point in the Knicks game I swore he was playing the PG, which last year would’ve been a disaster on par with Chernobyl. Although I remain convinced that Donté at the point is a terrible idea, I could see him running a break with JT for example and not expecting an automatic TO. All that being said, I feel torn on his grade. I don’t like the fact that he looked a bit lost all the time. I liked the fact that he improved every area of his game that he was terrible at last year. I disliked the fact that the strong points of his game from last year (at the VSL) really, REALLY regressed. I give him a D.

As for the rookies, all I can say is wow. Evans was everything as advertised, and then some. What surprised me was how quick he is. One second he’s on the perimeter, and the next he’s past his man careening toward the bucket. I think that the King’s back court has the potential to be elite in the very near future, provided Evans matures a bit on the court. (Off the court, the guy seems to have it all together). His passing has been discussed, and discussed, and discussed some more, with that being said, my take is he’s got a lot of potential. I feel he has good court vision, he makes the right pass, and although he looked to score first in the summer league, I think as he develops a rapport with his teammates we’ll see less head down driving, and more ‘head up’ work. He has arms for days, and the tools to be an elite defender. I give his summer league work an A-.

Brockman was a revelation to me on the court. I figured he’d rebound at a good clip, and he did not disappoint, but his athleticism was unexpected bonus. On a few occasions he challenged shots above the rim, notably in the D-League game. His movements were quicker and crisper than I expected too. I imagined him to be more of the lumbering brawler type. Personally I feel like he’s a lock to make the team, and see situational minutes starting immediately. What worried me though was in his match ups with bigger more athletic guys he was useless for everything outside of rebounding. He doesn’t have much of a midrange shot right now, but I feel that his work ethic combined with the Kings coaches should hammer that issue out without too much problems. All that said, I feel like his performance was about what was expected, so I give him a C+.

I don’t know what to think when it comes to Casspi. He did everything, which was a pleasant surprise. He excelled at nothing, which was a bit of a downer. He didn’t really standout to me in any of the games though. He managed to play a very forgettable type of game, yet when I would look at the box score I would be shocked. When I was actively looking for him, I noticed that he works his butt off, especially on the defensive end. He wasn’t the best player he could have been, I feel like he was playing way too fast, and sometimes would look a bit lost. All in all, I don’t think he’ll contribute much in the short run, but I feel like in a few years he’ll be looked at as the next Turkoglu type point forward. I feel like his nerves got the best of him, and as such I’m going to give him a C-.

The team as a whole was a bit of a disappointment. I thought that with the amount of talent that they possessed, they looked a bit discombobulated and over-matched at times. They did accomplish one thing though, I’m excited for the upcoming season. 20+ wins or bust baby!

by propane on Jul 18, 2009 3:53 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I can agree with you grades

One of the biggest negatives I saw from the front line players was passing and the fast break. Very poor passing even lackadaisical. And, expecially on the breakaway, that’s when they need to get the ball to a guard within their first 3 dribbles. They can run and finish the break faster if they don’t have to dribble. They need to finish like Donte did on his two jams in the final game.

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by HighTops on Jul 18, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Post. My short take

Evans is everything expected. His shot is the only real thing that needs work. There is no pause at the peak of his jumper. I think this may be caused by the lean back or maybe its the sling motion. Once thats corrected I see All Star.

  Casppi shows lots of promise. His shot was usually short and thats commonly a sign of tired legs.I think he is a rotation player by mid-season and maybe even at the onset.

Brockman; love the energy. I don’t know yet if it will translate into the NBA. I am eager to see.

Thompson was sluggish at the start , energetic at the end. He still isn’t very fluid in the post . I am content with a jump shooter as a 4 when he runs the floor as well as JT does.
It will be interesting to see if he ever gets to becoming a 20-10 guy or peaks at 15-10.

Greene’s issue is that right now he doesn’t do anything great except being athletic. His game is kind of blah. His way into the rotation is to become a good/great shooter and then be at least average on everything else. Right now he is more promise than anything else.
As a group I am very happy with these guys.

by ElRonToro on Jul 18, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

"October can't arrive soon enough." Indeed.

Thanks for putting in the time to write this. Good read, Aykis.

No car flags necessary.

by JETisKing on Jul 18, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Evans: It's the little things that matters for shooters...

Tyreke’s shooting form is why his jumper is shakey beyond 18’ or so. Shooting the ball from behind your head from distance is mostly powered by the arms, not the legs and that flattens and makes the shot come in “hot”. The physics of such a shot makes the basket smaller because of the shallow angle its coming in at. Shooters with this form are only reasonably successful when they take the shot off a dribble in rhythm – catch and shoot without a dribble with this handicap is generally pretty ugly. Hopefully the Kings can correct this – a Tyreke that is equally dangerous in and out of the paint would be a scarey thing for opponents.

by Hatcreek5 on Jul 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice assessment

The form of his shot seems to make his shot erratic, as well. The motion is not easily repeated dependably. I hope that his general “smoothness” can translate over to his shooting game. Having such longs arms might affect his ability to reproduce a shooting stroke as well. It’s kinda cool to have such a good player on your hands with so many seemingly small things he can do to get so much better.

by DustyG on Jul 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

On Evans: I don't know if a bad jump-shot is a 'small' thing

but its too early to tell if he’s one of those guys who can go fix it or not. He repeated his college % of about 25% on jumpers once you remove the lay-ups. Thats the biggest concern with him.

If he can fix the jumper he can be a Star, if he can’t . . . . He’s JSalmons with a better inclination to pass, not a terrible thing, but still not a Star.

C+/B-

Donte’/Casspi: Training camp will tell a lot. Donte’ has been working on some things so I won’t give up on him yet (though I was never in the ‘I Love Donte’ camp). Lets give him training camp and some of the season to see if he progresses. Ditto on Casspi. I give him more benefit of the doubt because its a strange new world to him for now.

JT was wretched.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 20, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

On Evans

You are right that fixing a shot is not a small thing. I don’t mean to understate it. I was also referring to other issues like ball handling: keeping his head upright and on a swivel, using his body and long arms to shield the ball more effectively. Perhaps those aren’t easy fixes either, tho.

Are your grades relative to your expectations? And if so, what did you expect from Evans to give a B-/C+?

by DustyG on Jul 20, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The grading is from the obvious, way too many turnovers

and not very good shooting. I gave him a grade on performance, not expectations or excitement. I expected the bad shooting, it was always my biggest concern with him. Right now he’s a scorer but not an efficient one. He’s a passer but turns it over a lot. Thats a real problem if he’s your primary ball-handler.
In training camp he’ll have some real time to work through things. We as fans will see if this little bit of coaching he got resulted in some homework over the next few months that produced results.

He’s got a chance to be great, I believe that. He’s got a lot of work to do to get there though, hard work, changing some really bad habits – and as the #4 pick we should hold him to doing that work.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grading

A grade has to be relative to something, right? What are you comparing his summer league performance to? Let’s say a B- or C+ corresponds to 80 percent—but 80 percent of what? It’s my understanding that the above post is based on expected performance, with anything above a C corresponding to exceeded expectations.

Maybe you were comparing summer league Reke with problems-fixed-Reke?

By the way, I think he has a bad shot and turns the ball over too much as well. But he played well relative to my expectations for his performance in summer league. He penetrates very well and rebounds beyond my expectations. However, he did make some careless passes and his shooting is worse than I thought it would be. B+

by DustyG on Jul 21, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking

- relative to the kind of performance you need/expect from a starter who will handle, distribute and shoot the ball a lot.
Just to throw some numbers out, I think 43-45% shooting is acceptable, I think 2/1 TO is acceptable.

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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right on

That makes sense. I think 40 percent shooting might be what we see this year, and maybe up to 45 in two years. But it depends on how he develops his game. If he gets to 45 percent, does he do it by improving his jump shot or by not taking jump shots anymore? Of course, it’ll prolly be some combination of shot development and selection.

Assist-to-turnover-wise, I dont know if someone’s split second decision making can improve as much as you deem acceptable (from ~1:1 to 2:1). Of course he will develop and mature, but I think of a baller’s many traits, basketball IQ and split-second decision-making might be the most difficult to alter/develop. I think that Evans’ upside there might be more like 6:4 (1.5:1).

by DustyG on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be happy with 85% FT

Westphal’s going to work on his shoot, and since he gets to the line alot that would be a good place to start changing your shot. Expecting him to become an assist guy, change his shot, and stop making TO’s might be too much for his rookie season.

So, I’ll settle for him learning how to run the offense and improve his FT percentage by improving his shot. His field goal percentage can wait until his 2nd yr. We need to have something to look forward too. 18/10 his first yr with 8 free throws out of 10 attempts would be acceptable.

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by HighTops on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too little? Too Much?

I don’t think Evans will take over the games in the regular season as much as he did in VSL. Mostly, because he’ll have better players surrounding hime and he won’t have to be so dominant.

I think his role will be as playmaking PG, driving and dishing to Martin & the corners, or running the pick & roll with JT & Spencer. The only time in believe that he will take charge of the offense will be in crunch time. When the game is on the line, he’s going to the rim or the line.

I don’t think Westphal wants a constant attack from his rookie PG. There’s no reason until all avenues have been tried. But, we’ll see what kind of offense Westphal puts in soon enough.

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by HighTops on Jul 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant

what does ‘18/10’ mean? ‘18’ means 18 points per game, right? Does ‘10’ correspond to rebounds or assists…something else…free throw attempts? I surely dont see him averaging any where close to 10 assists or rebounds per game. I’d be very happy for him to average 6 assists and 6 boards. A damn cherry on top would be to average less than 4 turnovers.

I figure his line over the season will be 14 pts @ 40% from the field (somewhat low due to poor outside shot/shot selection), 7 free throws made @ 70%, 5.5 ast / 4.5 turnovers, 5 rebs, 2 steals, and 0.5 blocks. I’m cool with that.

by DustyG on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing how clear it was in my mind when I typed it.

Yes, 18/10 is 18ppg & 10assists per game. I don’t want to see him crashing in the lane every possession. Driving past his man and finishing, or kicking out when the double team comes is fine. He doesn’t need to be the leading scorer.

I think your ast & turnovers are off. First, once he knows Westphal’s system and has spent some time playing with the starters, his assts should go up & his turnovers should go down. Remember, VSL was more of a pick up game with no set offense and guys he wasn’t use to playing with. Brockman and Battle weren’t exactly offensive Juggernauts. And, either were anyone of the guys we had playing the 2. Plus, Casspi & Greene had terrible shooting percentages.

If he works on being the playmaker instead of the leading scorer, heres how I see him playing. 18ppg, on 5 or 9 from the field and 8 or 10 from the FT line. 10apg, 5rpg, 2steals & less than 3 to’s.
That 7pts , 5asts more than Beno, so in that context it reallys isn’t outrageous. Plus what we were looking for before the draft was a PG that could make our other players better, by setting them up and getting more assists.

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by HighTops on Jul 22, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

you think he—not considered a pass first point guard by any means—is going to come in and lead the league in assists as a rookie despite never having had over 8 assists in his 35 games at Memphis. He’s going to more than double his per game output in college? And he’s going to have the best assist to turnover ratio in the league. In short he’ll rival Chris Paul as the best point guard in the league as a rookie not known for his prowess as a PG. You are crazy dude. I guess I hope you are right, but you are nuts

by DustyG on Jul 22, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been called crazy before

When I bought Apple stock, when I bought Google at it’s IPO, and when I bought the first Ford Edsel. Well, 2 out of 3 isn’t bad.

I believe in Evans ability ot penetrate and score or kick out. And, I believe the Kings have the shooters to catch & shoot with a high percentage when their open. And, open they’ll be when Evans starts drawing the double & triple teams. Call me crazy, but don’t call me Shirley. (Sorry Sections for stealing your line)

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by HighTops on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I laughed

when you said 18/10 and 8/10 free throws would be “acceptable”. If that happened, it’d be way more than acceptable.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up...

Thanks for the updates, I can’t watch the games, my PC is too slow for streaming…

by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 20, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Grade for Donte too high

I honestly think he should get an F for his horrible performance. I mean, .293 shooting, thats terrible.

by kwill on Jul 22, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

And, if shooting percentage was the only area that players should be judged, the F is correct

But, there’s other things to consider in evaluation a player. But, F is the rating for his 40 shots over 5 games, and not his value as a player. Kind of a small sample size. If he made 8 more shots he would have had a 50% shooting percentage which would probably be a B+ or A-. Hope it’s just a shooters slump and he comes out of it in preseason.

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by HighTops on Jul 22, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donte' did look better in other parts of his game

and that may earn him some minutes. But he has to have some 50% shooting games in pre-season or it will be tough for him again.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

but the 10 assists for Evans isn't optimism

its fantasy.

I see about 18pts, 4 rbds, 5.5 assists and about 3 TO’s on 40+% shooting as being a very successful rookie year for him.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly Lttg

I think if you switched the rebounds and assists for him thats probably going to reflect his season more. 18 pts, 5.5 rebounds, 4 assists (that seems to little with how much he’s going to be having the ball in his hands so probably what he averaged in Summer League, about 4.7). Also, I don’t think there will ever be a year in which Evans averages 10 assists. 3 players in the NBA averaged 10 assists or more last year (Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Steve Nash, who had 9.7).

Beno averaged 4.7. I think Evans will match or exceed that this year. He’s only 19. But I think he’ll eventually average 6 or 7 a game when all is said and done, if he continues to play as a point guard.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

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