Rubio Staying in Spain
by Hoops916 on Jul 2, 2009 2:56 PM PDT
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According to realgm.com, Ricky (Youtube) Rubio is staying in Spain for a few more seasons afterall. I know I was in the minority in that I wanted NOTHING to do with this kid, but its still discouraging that were not going to be able to watch him in the L this year. I know Minnesota isnt exactly the picture-perfect location for a European seeking an American local, but come on bud! He wasnt the first player, nor will he be the last, to be drafted by a City that they dont perceive to have the ideal zip code for their interest...Hell...Say what you want about a guy like Stephon Marbury, but I clearly remember watching him cry tears of joy on Draft Night, and that was even after he knew he was Minnesota bound (post Mil trade). At least he played the game!!!! ...If this report holds true, has Rubio officially entered the class of guys like Stevie Franchise (can we even still call him that?) , John Elway and Eli (Im a spoiled bitch) Manning?!?! ....And I really dont buy the argument that....." He's gotta contract to pay off..... He'd be pretty much playing for free... etc etc). If this kid was as good as advertized, he (and his agent) should have gotten off their lazy asses and actually worked out for teams, like every other player in the draft did....This story just reinforces my argument that Petrie made the right move by not drafting this spoiled brat....I hope this report is wrong and that he actually hoops this year, but the chances of that aernt looking so good right now..
True, this story hasnt been picked up by major news corporations like ESPN, etc....But I wouldnt at all be surprised if its picked up by the media in the next 48 hours or so....
Eventhough Ive always felt that Evans was the right pick, I was still looking forward to seeing this kid play this year-
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60284/20090702/rubio_will_stay_in_spain_for_two_seasons/
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The Spanish newspaper saies
Rubio will withdraw his demand against the Juventut and play the two seasons left in his current contract with that team
by Kreuz on Jul 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which means nothing
But, we’ll all see whatever interpretation is made.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if we suck enough in the 2010-2011 season be able to draft him
There’s still hope!!!
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by vfettke on Jul 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no
hes already drafted and his rights belong to minnesota till he signs and plays out his rookie contract
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by Robby1987 on Jul 2, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those rights expire after 2 years actually
at which time he can re-enter the draft
I’m joking about us having a chance. At this point, I’m kind of over it
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by vfettke on Jul 2, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm pretty sure robby1987 is right
Since he’s signed with Joventut, Minnesota retains his rights for a year after his contract with Joventut expires. In order to re-enter the draft he’d have to sit out a year from pro basketball entirely.
If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player’s draft rights for one year after the player’s obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team’s team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, rubio still will have his rights owned
Just like the Vasquez thing with Orlando. However, if a player does not play in any proffesional league for one year, the rights will be lost. I remember because it was something that Yi Jianlian was considering way back when he was drafted by the bucks. But I don’t see that happening here.
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by Ellimist on Jul 3, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
he doesn’t play for anyone at all next year, then vfettke’s right, he goes back into the draft.
If he goes back to Spain to play, then Minny keeps his rights.
If you're not first ... you're last.
by what_the_crap on Jul 3, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its so much that Rubio wouldn't mind playing for Minnesota
Its that Minnesota made no effort to convince him that he was their point guard of the future by drafting Jonny Flynn directly behind him. Both those players rely on having the ball on their hand to be good. But neither of them would flourish in a system where they were both starting, which is apparently what David Kahn had wanted. I’m pretty sure he would have come over for OKC and Sacramento. Memphis probably not, only because of Mike Conley.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You made a lot of assumptions
and they may even be true….I don’t think he was scared of trying out (my assumption).
I don’t think you get that good by age 18 without being seriously competitive. I think if the Kings drafted him at 4 that he would be a Kings this year, I don’t begrudge Stevie Eli or John for picking for picking their spots, and it seemed to work out well for them. Sure Marbury didn’t whine when the T-Wolves drafted him even though he didn’t want to be there,,,how did that work out for Minnesota? My assumption…its nothing but business.
by ElRonToro on Jul 2, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the problem with
him saying, “The situation’s not right. It’s not worth the investment I would have to make.”
When I was being asked to come back to the group I work with the location and the compensation had to be right. If not, I was fine where I was. It all seems pretty normal from where I stand. Now, if only I can get back to the compensation I was getting then. Maybe I’ll look into Europe.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
by left hand on Jul 2, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither I see any problem with him going back
Being it for issues of – buyout, being unconvinved by Minnesota (see Aykis commenting on this above), or seeing a value in staying in Europe for a year or two – not so long ago, there were lots of discussions here at StR whether Rubio actually should enter the draft this year or wait one or two years more.
He’s not the first player coming from European leagues who decided to stay there for a year or more. Stojakovic did it, Ginobilli did it, Fernandez did it, Scola did it. I don’t think any of them can regret. Bargnani didn’t do it and neither did Belinelli or Sergio Rodriguez. Instead of being leaders in Europe, they struggled for minutes in NBA afterwards. Even if it’s not the primary reason, Rubio might profit from one more year in Europe (and Minnesota can as well).
And finally, why do you call him ‘Ricky (Youtube) Rubio’ (or Ricky Rutubio as I read elsewhere)? I searched and found 1230 videos on youtube typing ‘Ricky Rubio’. Then I tried and found 770 for ‘Blake Griffin’ and ‘664’ for Brandon Jennings. The most viewed video of Rubio has 892 598 visits, Brandon Jennings has 691 909 visits and Blake Griffin has 1 039 495 visits. Where is the difference?
(Yes, you probably want to imply that Rubio’s fan base has not ever seen him play apart from the internet highlights. I don’t know, maybe that’s true for many of his fans, even for his majority. I don’t really care. But maybe StR is a place where such a statement might sound naively or slightly offending.)
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your last paragraph KFfCE
Excellent statement overall.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky (Youtube) Rubio
I call him that because 99% (yourself and maybe one other excluded) have only see him play live on TV maybe once or twice…. Everything else seen from the youngster is from youtube… Hence the nickname..
by Hoops916 on Jul 2, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him play live on the Web 2 or 3 times
And a few replays of other games after the fact where the whole game was included.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cause you actually care
enough to make an informed decision.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
Pookey has gotta be seriously one of a very very very small handful of people who did that research..
I sure never watched full games online. Ive watch the Spain Semi’s and Final game of the olympics about 2 or 3 times each as the draft approached.
Thats why I NEVER said that the kid didnt have potential to be real good some day.. My argument all along was the Evan was more “NBA Ready” and that the Sacramento Kings literally cant wait around a few years and watch this kid develop. By the time he came to, I always argued that we would likely be the Anaheim Kings or the Vegas Kings. The front office needed a player “Right now”
by Hoops916 on Jul 2, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer while I recognize your true genius
Your genius in this case sucks.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For instance (of Homer's genius)
“Doh, a twenty dollar bill. I wanted a peannnnuutttt!”
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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
You also mean it as a derogatory statement.
I didn’t watch much NCAA basketball this year, so I’ve seen just as little of everyone else in the draft as I have of Rubio.
I may be the exception, but I’d bet that there are plenty of other people who weren’t religiously following college hoops . . . in which case there is no difference between Rubio and the other top draft picks (as KFfCE has shown with the raw numbers).
Don’t assume that because you watched the NCAA regular season (if you actually did) that everyone else did as well.
All that said, “Rutubio” cracks me up.
by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said...
And yes, I do order the ESPN Full Court package and actually find the College game to be a much more pure game of basketball. (aside from the Tim Floyd’s and Sonny Vacaros of the world)
KFfCE’s numbers didnt do his argument much justice tho. In the States, those who gave a damn could have easily turned on their local CBS or ESPN stations every Saturday and caught a glimpse of Griffin, Evans etc.(KFfCE may have been the exception cause he’s probobly one of an extreme minority at STR that doesnt live in the states)…That wasnt an option as with Rubio… Therefore, in order to catch a glimpse of this kid, you had to go to Rutubio it up-
by Hoops916 on Jul 2, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched some stuff of Rubio's on youtube Hoops
The problem is that once you’ve seen two or three, it’s all rehashing what the others have done. (Although I do admit to watching this mix many times over cuz I’m a sucker for French singing.)
It’s a lot harder to see Rubio live than maybe people realize. That was even more true given that his wrist was hurt a big portion of the season.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I definitely saw more or Rubio than I ever saw of Jonny Flynn
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just LOLing at Minnesota
Kahn said he would be willing to wait 2 years if it comes to that. Now we’ll see how that works out for him, is he even going to have a job in 2 years if/when Rubio comes over? Because once Rubio plays out the contract, there’s no worry about buyouts right? So if he’s beasting and winning more awards and getting stronger and improving, what if Real Madrid, Panathinaikos or Maccabi says “Hey kid, wanna make $6mil/yr over here?” and he decides the NBA isn’t really his dream destination.
As it stands right now they basically gave away two good rotation players (Miller and Foye) in exchange for bad contracts.
by Kevin Conroy on Jul 2, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kahn is a buffoon.
What if Jonny Flynn turns into a star this year and next….then what? Rubio is not signing a contract with Minn. Kahn is screwed.
Kahn started to sound foolish when he said they could play together. Sure, maybe 5-10 minutes a game, but no way either one of those guys is a full-time SG.
Then he said Rubio would be starter from Day 1. That’s not his call to make. A GM should not be making false promises. GMs don’t hand out playing time, head coaches do. O wait, they don’t have a head coach.
I can understand taking Rubio @ #5, but that pick should have been parlayed for assets if a contract was not in the cards. Kahn didn’t expect Rubio would last to #5, he didn’t do his homework or lay any groundwork, now he’s scrambling like a headless chicken.
I think its worth pointing out if Rubio does stay overseas the next two years his real value will be better quantified. Rubio needs to show improvement in shooting, scoring, asst/TO, or his trade value will plummet further. He could truly earn the name Ricky RuTube-o.
by bench_blob on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
As long as Rubio plays professional Basketball, Minny will continue to own his rights.
If he continues to improve, his value will increase. Even if he never plays a minute for Minny, he’s still a valuable asset that they acquired in the draft. Boston was rumored to be offering Rondo for a shot at Rubio (unless they really wanted someone else) and NY has publicly stated that they were interested in him . . . so he already has some (apparent) value.
A question I have is about his salary. Does he stay on the 2009 Rookie Contract Scale, or will he get the Rookie Scale for whatever year he actually comes over. If it’s the former, then that instantly increases his value over time, as he will be paid less than players drafted in subsequent years.
If he ends up being a bust before coming over to the L, it’s no different than if he would have turned into a bust over here . . . so that argument doesn’t hold much water.
What I find interesting is that the apparent “buffoonery” by Kahn of drafting back-to-back PGs may have been his best move. Rubio not coming over isn’t detrimental to their team, because Flynn is their new starting PG. They are in absolutely no hurry to trade one of the two, as everyone predicted, if they only have one on roster.
I won’t even pretend that this was all planned by Kahn, because I don’t think it was. I think that he couldn’t pass up on Rubio, and probably had Flynn as BPA on his board so he took him too. In other words, I think that he may not have had a contingency plan in place in case Rubio fell, and just took the two best guys knowing he could sort it out later.
I think it will be interesting to see how this shakes out, because Kahn really doesn’t have to hurry with this, nor does he need to trade Rubio for pennies on the dollar.
How he handles this will show what kind of a GM he can be.
by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!!!
Kahn is screwed if Flynn turns into a star. Man, imagine if Flynn became the best PG in the league? Kahn would look soooo stupid.
by Charlieb on Jul 3, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Geoff Petrie?
What if Flynn turns out to be better than Evans?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw in a few F-bombs
and you would sound like me on draft night.
by Charlieb on Jul 3, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it a step further
But, that’s me.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would look stupid
Than he spent the #5 pick of the draft on a backup or nothing at all.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the difference between Sacramento and Minnesota
One draft spot? What, Rubio is scared that a rookie like Jonny Flynn and Sebastian effing Telfair are going to steal his minutes? Cold weather? Really?
I know we all are biased towards Sacramento, but I don’t see what was so much more appealing about the situation here than there.
I also can’t understand the sympathy that still remains for Rubio. Who in the hell was sticking up for Fran Vasquez when he went back to Spain? Everyone called him a wuss and worse. Rubio said he would play for free in the NBA. He declared for the draft. He said he was going to come over. Time for Ricky to grow a pair.
And before you badmouth Kahn, better wait and see how it pans out. He still has plenty of leverage.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not the same thing
Let’s not compare Vazquez to Rubio. At all.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about this for a moment
Then, when you’ve exhausted your thought process, think about it some more.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking.....
Spanish guy who said he was going to come to the NBA……..
Drafted in the lottery……….
Then says he’s not coming over……..
Yeah. COMPLETELY different.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking you're a moron
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking you result to insults when you lose arguments
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I wanted to win this argument
I would have won it already.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crazy thing is
Minnesota has some talent to work with! They have a couple of young beasts in the frontcourt to rebound and finish around the basket. They obviously wanted him more than any other team in the top 5 and even though it was dumb to take Flynn, it’s not like Rubio was going to play 38mpg as a rookie. If the NBA really was/is his dream he could’ve made it work.
by Kevin Conroy on Jul 2, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tough thing for Minny
is that they could have taken Curry or DeRozan (to name two). I’m sure glad that we’re not the team dealing with this situation.
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by section214 on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't make one iota of difference
Minnesota is in the same position that they were on draft night. I suppose I’m glad the Kings didn’t take Rubio and his “situation”, but something tells me that Rubio is really just trying to use this to reduce his buyout as quickly as possible. He’s trying to make it possible that Joventut loses a lot of money if they don’t reduce his buyout any more than they have.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is he making sure Joventut loses money by saying he wants to play for them?
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a fucking idiot
I’m tired of your stupidity.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So close to a haiku
Let me help:
Fucking idiot
Tired of your stupidity
I cried to my mom
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't do haiku's
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mom?
She don’t do haiku’s either, I don’t think.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pookeyguru’s mom
She doesn’t do any haikus
I think she’s racist
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling my momma racist
You’re going to be on your way to the White House soon nbrans.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock on Michelle
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Party Time! Excellent!
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand how going back to Joventut reduces the buyout either...
…and not sure why everyone is getting so hostile either?
Personally, I don’t think Rubio is going back. He is just forcing Minny to trade him. It looks really bad for the new GM if he picks a guy #5 and they get nothing (and take on bad contracts in the process).
by R-Man on Jul 2, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he might actually go back
And actually I wonder if that was the plan all along. His stock was probably not going to be higher with another year in Spain. So why not get drafted top 5, then get locked into that draft salary slot. Per the CBA, he actually gets paid according to the year he signs his contract, not according to the year he was drafted. So he locks himself in top 5, then goes back and plays in Spain, reduces or eliminates his buyout, and comes back locked into that salary structure.
I’m not saying it’s the most likely scenario, but it’s within the realm of possibility that the whole Kings thing was a ruse to make sure he went top 4. He may not have intended to play for free all along.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Per the CBA, he actually gets paid according to the year he signs his contract, not according to the year he was drafted.
I’ve been wondering about this.
by smgmatt on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the same with Peja when he signed smg
He was actually under the old salary scale than the new one that was in effect when the new CBA took effecct in 99.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know
I wasn’t following salaries so much back then.
Oh how times have changed.
by smgmatt on Jul 4, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have changed indeed
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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
R-Man
Nbrans is an idiot. He loves to run his mouth about bullshit he doesn’t understand. So, I’ll just keep this simple as the whole situation is pretty complicated and there’s a ton of stuff flying out there.
One, we know that Rubio is interested in the NBA. One can assume, reasonably, that it’s likely now as opposed to 2 years from now.
Two, we know Rubio has a large buyout. Somebody’s gotta pay it, and Minnesota can only kick in 500K (US) of this in. Euro’s, even in their diminished state, are still worth more than the US Dollar.
Three, we know Joventut sold the rights of Rubio’s BUYOUT to the Spanish gov’t. This was before the draft, and before Minnesota drafted him 5th. There was also a lawsuit, or arbitration depending on who interpreted the information, against Joventut filed by Rubio’s people.
Here’s the thing. Rubio is in a good position even if he wants to go to Minnesota. So is Minnesota. They can afford for him to come over in 2 years. It’s actually less complicated that way. Jonny Flynn may develop into a great asset for Minnesota to trade and Rubio may be a far better player himself by that time too.
Minnesota has time in otherwords.
On the other hand, Joventut doesn’t sell out all their games, and doesn’t generate all that much interest even with Rubio. They’re a pretty poor team with a limited fanbase. They desperately needed that buyout money.
That’s why Rubio can afford to say:“Hey guys! Miss me?”
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why this doesn't make sense
One, Joventut still has Rubio’s rights as a player even if they transferred his buyout to the Spanish IRS to settle their tax obligations. Whether he goes back to Joventut or not has absolutely no bearing on whether his buyout gets reduced. So your statement that he’s saying these things to try to get Joventut to reduce his buyout is completely false. It’s out of their hands at this point and up to arbitration.
Two, regardless of what happens in arbitration, if he goes back to Spain and plays for two years he doesn’t have to pay the buyout. So he has a lot of incentive to just wait two years.
Three, I actually agree with you!!! Minnesota is in a good position. Whether he comes over this year or two years from or if they trade him it’s still probably a win for them.
Four, Rubio still needs to grow a pair. Also he’s the next Fran Vazquez.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One
You’re an idiot. Two, unless you’re a Spanish law expert, I suggest you stick to facts. Three, argument over this is not the point. Four, I don’t care about how big Rubio’s pair is.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you're right on one point
I got one fact wrong. Since he sued the team it’s not up to arbitration, it’s up to the lawsuit: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4246467
Still, it doesn’t change the fact that Joventut doesn’t control the amount of his buyout at this point. So you’re still wrong that Rubio is trying to get Joventut to reduce the buyout. That’s up to the courts.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
Do you really want to argue Spanish Law with me when A) I’m not a Lawyer or Spanish, and B) even if you’re a lawyer, you’re still not Spanish?
Now, Joventut might have sold the buyout to the Spanish gov’t, or it might have been something they were thinking of doing.
You cited something on June 10th. It’s July 2nd today. Things changed a lot in 22 days.
I have a feeling that if Rubio drops his lawsuit that selling of the buyout to the Spanish gov’t can be rescinded for some strange technicality that won’t make sense to us cuz we American.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to burst your bubble
but this is all making rubio less and less valuable. How much is Franz Vasquez worth now, compared to when he was drafted? If Rubio stays in Europe longer, his rights then become a risk. What is to say he won’t come back? Khan is an idiot, I don’t know what he was thinkings. I think he was suprised that Rubio fell to him and panicked.
If anything, Rubio’s stock will never be higher than it was the night of the draft. It will go down from there.
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by Ellimist on Jul 3, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio is not Vazquez
The situations are not comparable.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Analysts also find more holes in your game to pick apart and exploit. Isn’t that one of the reasons so many guys enter the draft early. When you are 19 and 20 they always justify that the player can grow out of the bad habit or deficiency. At ages 21 and 22 and few years of tape of making the same mistake they stop making that performance excuse and start curbing your upside.
Unless he plays great his market value will probably decline. The price of almost anything decreases the longer it’s sitting there to be sold on the market.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does make a difference
Think about it for a moment.
Then, when you’ve exhausted your thought process, think about it some more.
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by section214 on Jul 2, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah reason
But, the problem here is, you’re not a moron.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perennial Losers
Only the T-Wolves could come out immediate losers in a draft were they had four 1st round draft picks. Sad part is Rubio probably plays in Minny if they they don’t lose their mind and draft Flynn with the next pick. All time GM failure . . . from a franchise who could never do anything with the 5th best player of the decade. Even Chris Wallace has someone to look down upon.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The last team that had four 1st Round draft picks managed to blow it even worse than the T-Wolves.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are referring to us? I know there has been one other team with four 1st round picks but do not remember who.
Regardless, the players had to hit the floor before the draft was labeled a bust. Minny hadn’t even finished the draft and everyone was clearly pointing the idiot finger.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, us
But really, we should also see how this plays out before we start pointing the idiot finger at the T-Wolves. Flynn looks solid, who knows what will happen with Rubio, have to see how the Denver trade pick will work….
Way too early to pass judgment. Derozan would have been a reach at #6 and Curry is also a PG. Don’t see how drafting either would have been any better a solution.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
If Flynn is so solid why couldn’t the T-Wolves decide on freaking PG on draft day? That’s why there draft is so Stuart Scott Stupid.
The Denver trade doesn’t pass the mustard either. They traded the 18th pick in this years draft for a high 20’s pick in next years draft. When you trade a 1st round pick for a future 1st rounder you are suppose to get a higher pick.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need multiple PGs.
Unless you consider Sebastian Telfair part of their future.
Also, the Denver trade wasn’t for Denver’s pick, it was for a pick that Charlotte owes Denver, so it should be better than in the 20s.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a better trade than
I’m sorry, in the real world you have to pick a guy. You don’t draft two guys at the same position back to back. Players have ego’s and need to feel the security of being the guy. It’s so simple of concept I cannot believe I have to point this out.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that
But at the same time, Minnesota’s roster is so depleted I think you have to go BPA, even if that means duplicating positions. I think you have a valid point, I just don’t think they had particularly good options.
by nbrans on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they did
Right now they don’t have SG, DeRozen was sitting right there. If they didn’t like DeRozen, Curry or Hill than why did they pull the trade for a second Top 10 pick?
The whole fiasco suggest they never had a plan. I think the plan was just to make a scene, like a drunk guy ponying up his life savings in a Vegas casino to rub elbows at the big table..
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole thing was...
…as nbrans said, take the BPA. That was the plan.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Rick Rubio to Minny . . .
Best Player Available
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the crux of it
I do agree with nbrans, a bad team like Minnesota should take the best player available, regardless of position. I don’t really see a problem with them drafting Flynn AND Rubio.
But Minnesota clearly did not have a plan. This whole idea of “ohmygosh we had no idea Rubio would fall so far” is the problem. Hell, there was a lot of talk in the days leading up to the draft that Rubio could have fallen down to the #5. If I were Kahn, I would have been murdering the phone lines with other general managers, preparing to deal the #5 in just such a case. Or they could have ironed out the plan with Rubio’s camp, knowing that drafting Flynn directly after Rubio might be an issue.
That’s the problem, they didn’t analyze all the ancillary issues involved. And now they are paying the price for being unprepared.
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by otis29 on Jul 3, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
roster wouldn’t have been so depleted if they hadn’t made that trade in the 1st place. they won 24 games with Jefferson missing 32 games (they were on pace to win 28 before his injury). not much, but much better than the Grizzlies, OKC, Clips & Kings in the west.
oh well better to be really really really bad than always being a semi-bad team like the Warriors and picking 7-14.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a simple ‘fork in the road’ regarding Rubio:
1. Since he REALLY doesn’t want to play in Minnesota – they will hang on as long as possible and deal him. I agree the GM will not have a job in 2 years if they continue at their current high level of play. If Rubio REALLY wants to play in the NBA as badly as reported, then the deal will be agreeable to both parties and Ricky boy can transision from YouTube to SportCenter. Everybody gets something they want – life goes on.
2. Since he REALLY doesn’t want to play in Minnesota – Europe looks way good with a big dollar offers from other teams – he’s a rock star there (are there “rock” stars in Minnesota?…nope, only walleye and huge mosquitos). Can’t see him sitting out completely for 1 year to re-enter the draft again – he’s too competitive to do that and he couold be in a similarly bad situation again depending on who drafted him.
His best option is to control his own situation and land where he will be featured and flourish in the NBA – endorsements and all…
He just got some really bad advise how to ‘get er done’ the first go around.
by Hatcreek5 on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only rock star from Minnesota that I've heard of...
…is Prince & Bob Dylan.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruth Adams
That lady is one polka partying biatch, don’t cha know?
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by section214 on Jul 3, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, ya
that’s for sure, eh? unless you are a hoser, eh?
don’t cha know?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing on this sit out a year clause
Isn’t the key word Professional basketball? Do national teams count as professional basketball? Couldn’t he burn a year touring with the national team? Still a high level of competition, practice and some exposure at least to maintain his basketball pedigree.
I know the U.S. doesn’t have a year round team but it seems every Olympics I hear the excuse that other countries teams have been playing together for over a year.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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