Ron Artest, the Lakers and You
by Ziller on Jul 2, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
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Ken Berger of CBS reports Ron Artest is a Laker. Carmichael Dave of KHTK and Ramon Shelburne of the Los Angeles Daily News confirm.
Holy crap it is going to be fun to boo Ron-Ron next year. Enjoy this, Lakers fans. Enjoy it well.
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so does this mean the lakers are willing to let go both odom and ariza?
by gedrosolan on Jul 2, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Guh
I’m still a fan of his game, but this is going to me all stink-eyed on the topic.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jul 2, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder how long it'll take...
for Ron and Kobe to get in a fight in practice
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on Jul 2, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should be interesting
It’s a good place to go for Ron-Ron if he can temper his ego and fit in the system. That team is good enough to mask Ron-Ron’s declining abilities.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Tough offseason for the Rockets so far…
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they're pretty screwed
As for Ron. Yes, I see this as a perfect situation for him. Especially if Jackson stays on as coach for another year.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron wants a ring
He’ll be the consummate team player or Phil and Kobe will kick his Artest. This pretty much will make the Laker’s assured of a repeat.
"Las instalaciones son brutales!"
by shazzam on Jul 2, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Consummate team player + Ron =
Two concepts that do not belong in the same paragraph.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 2, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you know
that psycho head cases can often brilliantly hide it when necessary? That’s part of the fun for them.
"Las instalaciones son brutales!"
by shazzam on Jul 3, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy for Ron
Again, this is so much better for him than being here while we rebuild, as it is much better for us to have Donté Greene and Omri Casspi, which is what Ron netted us in trade.
The tough part for me will be rooting for Ron the L*ker. That part sucks.
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by section214 on Jul 2, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That said -
If you thought that Andrew Bynum was unhappy with his role in the offense before, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
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by section214 on Jul 2, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With his robotic post moves and fear of contact
I don’t think the Lakers are worried about how he feels on offense. These playoffs showed they don’t even need him to do anything more than hack people and pull down a few rebounds and it’s good enough to win the championship.
by Kevin Conroy on Jul 2, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't care
I was thrilled as all hell on July 31st. Now, I don’t personally care all that much. Good for Ron. Good for the Lakers. Yawn.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So when Ron and Kobe come to blows
who do you guys think will win? Do you think any teammates will try to stop it or let it go hoping they both win? Can we start a over /under pool on what game it will be? We can give the money to the SPCA and the Denver battered womens home.
by ElRonToro on Jul 2, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ron Ron would kick Kobe's artest
I’d pay to see that on the UFC
by kwill on Jul 2, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to put too fine a point on it
But I think the organization you’re referring to is the Denver League of Rape Victims Who Get Paid Hush Money. Not that I have a problem with Kobe or anything, mind you.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jul 2, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a knock down drag out fight, Ron wins
but in a basketball setting, as soon Bynum, Gasol, and Fisher realize that there ticket to another ring as about to get his ass handed to him by 250 lbs of crazy they’ll step in and break it up
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by vfettke on Jul 2, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ron-Ron could take Bynum, Gasol, Fisher, and Kobe all at once.
Well, Fisher might complicate things, but the other three wouldn’t put up much resistance. Like someone said above, I would pay to see this.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jul 2, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rich getting richer.
lakers just won next year’s title.
"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."
by kingsbruins02 on Jul 2, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
don’t know if he’ll mesh well with that team and the triangle … but i do think it’s an upgrade over Ariza or Odom.
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by what_the_crap on Jul 2, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no guarantees
Everyone was shaking in their boots that summer when LA got Payton and Malone.
Hollinger spent the whole year writing on ESPN how the Cavaliers point differential or something was so great and that LeBron would play 45 to 48mpg in the playoffs and his PER would skyrocket and they’re the best team in the NBA.
Spurs were picked to repeat as champs, how many times?
In a 5 month NBA season, a lot of things can not work out as planned.
by Kevin Conroy on Jul 2, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not so sure
Artest isn’t the player he used to be…or he thinks he is.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
artest brings toughness and that crazy factor
toughness were the lakers biggest weaknesses this past season. the lakers have two dawgs now—one who is all world and the other who is…well, ron-ron. they’re going to be awfully tough to beat now because you can’t out skill them and you can’t out tough them. perhaps even more importantly, even the tough teams will be less inclined to play rough because of ron-ron. think it was coincidence that the kings all of suddenly became one of the softest teams in the league after ron-ron left?
there aren’t any guarantees, obviously, but they’re looking pretty damn good right now.
"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."
by kingsbruins02 on Jul 2, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if by winning next year's title you mean losing to the spurs in the western conference finals, then
you’re correct.
by KingsForLife on Jul 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish that were true.
It’ll be a great series if both teams stay healthy. I think the Spurs still need a rebounder/big body in the paint to extend Duncan’s career. I think the damn lakers would still get them in 7 as the teams stand right now. Artest would neutralize Jefferson, while Kobe checks Manu. Grrr.
by JETisKing on Jul 2, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. There are still a lot of variables, though:
Whether the Spurs stay healthy (I don’t think they will)
Whether Phil Jackson returns (I think he will)
Whether POR or DEN could stop the Lakers (I’d give them like 20% chance each at this point)
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jul 2, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Blazers sign Hedo
they will be playing in the Conference finals. Young, hungry and Hedo knows how to win.
"Las instalaciones son brutales!"
by shazzam on Jul 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers better hope they can play each game with two balls.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Jul 2, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was thinking how funny it will be to see Phil draw up the game winning play for Kobe (meaning “just get the ball to Kobe and let him win the game”), but Ron hogs the ball and bricks a 30-footer instead. Please oh please oh please!
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck
God, I hate the Lakers. And they just got better.
by Kusian on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe
if they can resign Odom yes. If they lose both Ariza and Odom, then the “deepest team ever” got weaker. Nice signing though, making sure he doesn’t go to Cleveland.
If you're not first ... you're last.
by what_the_crap on Jul 2, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love him or hate him
Artest is a monster on both ends of the court – one of the few guys left in the NBA that can dominate a game on both ends. I dont’ see this as a maybe at all. Neither Odom or Ariza bring his skill or tenacity. (Yes, Odom can be awesome every 10th game.)
I don’t think there is any “maybe” about the fact that their team just improved. They just added another All-Star type player. If he gives them what he gave the Rockets this year, the Lakers are certainly going to repeat. The only way this doesn’t work out is team chemistry being disrupted. But I guess that’s where the Zen Master earns his $$$$.
by Kusian on Jul 2, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the Ron-Ron of old
Artest was so-so this past year for the Rockets. Regular season and playoffs. And he turns 30 in November.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wojo disagrees
Lakers look to Artest to fill dramatic role
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 3, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So?
What I saw last year was a guy who had lost a step, had lost his shot, and couldn’t defend much of anyone in the playoffs.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 3, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lost his shot?
He never had a never had shot. Roy lit him up pretty good. Kobe got his numbers. He could have lost a step, but I’m not sure yet.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're talking about the last 3 playoff games
You might be right. The first 10 were pretty good. Easy for haters to forget that, though. Time will tell. You usually eat your words and probably will again.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 4, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you check any of his stats for the regular season or postseason?
Shooting percentage, PER…anything? His shooting percentages were worse in the playoffs than during the regular season. And he was pretty much horseshit in the regular season.
And isn’t he the self-proclaimed “Kobe stopper”? I could have sworn it was Shane Battier defending Bryant for the most part in the playoffs.
Ron Artest’s regular season PER? 15.64 (112th in the league). His playoff PER? 12.53 (74th in the league). And he’ll be 30 shortly after the season starts.
Ron’s reduced lack of ability was masked by a pretty good Rockets team that picked up his slack in the playoffs.
If he wasn’t Ron-Ron, but had the same statistical decline playing for the Kings, you’d be ripping the guy. Instead you are about to find your third team to support in as many years.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 4, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken Record
Instead you are about to find your third team to support in as many years.
Even someone as dense as you can figure out who I’ll be rooting for this season by reading this or this.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 4, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And come the season
You will be poor-mouthing the Kings players and the people here who “irrationally” support them. Plus, you’ll pop in whenever Ron-Ron has a nice little stretch of play.
Broken record, indeed.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 4, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope you're right about the chemistry
But if there’s anybody that could corral all their egos it’s Phil. They’ll at least reach the finals. Nobody in the Western Conference looks like they can hang. I’m hoping the Blazers nab Hedo to make it an interesting fight for the top 4 playoff spots.
by JETisKing on Jul 2, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the
only reason why I say maybe is if they don’t resign Odom now. If they do sign him for a hometown discount, then I agree they made a huge upgrade. If not, then their starting 5 is deadly, but the bench depth takes a big hit.
But I think Odom ends up resigning, so I might as well get ready for more Laker domination!
If you're not first ... you're last.
by what_the_crap on Jul 2, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do too....
but, it’s not like we’re going to be going against them or anyone else in the playoffs next year anyway. By the time that happens, Kobe will be over the hill, and the sucko (redacted) will be on their way down, down, down.
by avishai on Jul 2, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARMS RACE!!!!
Next season will be crazy.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondacted wow.
They’re stacked now, especially if Odom takes a hometown discount. Freaking tough offseason so far for the Rockets though. First Yao, then their top free agent target in Gortat ending up in Dallas for the MLE, now losing Artest.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta feel a little for Houston...
they lost Donte for nothing except one opening round…
by sdfd on Jul 2, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Casspi.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word in LA is....
Odom will sign with the Lakers. Ariza wanted more than the MLE, so he’s off to Houston or Cleveland. Meanwhile, the Lakers got way better. Phil Jackson is THE BEST at handling personalities. Recall Rodman… Jackson wanted Ron last year. Screw the Lakers, the Cowboys and Dan Snyder….
by amonk81 on Jul 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Lakers: Bynum, Gasol, Artest, Bryant, Fisher.
Spurs: Duncan, Bonner, Jefferson, Ginobili, Parker
Not surprised if this is the 2010 WCF. Like section said. Happy for Ron, not the [Redacted]. And the Rockets, they’re in a worst case scenario.
by rc360 on Jul 2, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spurs might be
Duncan, Sheed Wallace, Jefferson, GInibili, Parker after its all said and done.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes it scarier.
Heard Sheed could go to Boston. Maybe even Cavs. Still I feel for the Rockets. Just looked at their roster and the tallest player not injured is 6’9 Luis Scola. Reportedly lost out on Gortat. Looks like they’re lottery bound, and we took their pick.
by rc360 on Jul 2, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to imagine Sheed on the same team as Shaq....
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by Juan Primo on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could the Rockets beat the Kingsin the race for John Wall?
They’re like our team without the bad contracts.
by sdfd on Jul 2, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They can run head first into the Wall...
What we need is some Favors.
by Kevin Conroy on Jul 2, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carmichael Dave is to Ron Artest
As Ric Bucher is to Kobe Bryant?
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Artest & Carmichael Dave
Homeless man’s Ali & Cosell?
by smgmatt on Jul 2, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting times
Obviously an ideal fit for Ron, in a place where he doesn’t even need to score much to contribute. He can focus more on doing the tough, physical work that is his bread and butter, and the Lakers don’t need to worry about him squishing Kobe like a grape if he blows a fuse. I wish him well in his quest for a ring.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 2, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So the Rockets' big three is crumbling fast..
what do you think the price for T-Mac is?
by MTBalla on Jul 2, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks good on paper
but didn’t work out when Malone went trophy hunting with Kobe and Shaq and that looked like a lock too.
by kingz2012champz on Jul 2, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gary Payton
was on that team too. Good times, seeing the Pistons beat them 4-1.
by rc360 on Jul 2, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Malone
Was ten years older than artest is now. He was ancient for an NBA player.
by avishai on Jul 2, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True
still not sure how Artest will work out in the triangle. “all star” teams aren’t always a lock. Malone was fighting injury but also was used to the picknroll where he got most of his points in utah.
by kingz2012champz on Jul 2, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might negate the Spurs landing Jefferson
In my eyes this pushes the Lakers over the top if they can re-sign Odom. However, this all depends on Ron’s behavior. For the most part his attitude was good in Houston this year, he just did his black hole on offense thing. If Kobe and Phil can get him to not worry about his offense and focus on his defense, the thing that made him an all star level player, they’ll be unstoppable.
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by vfettke on Jul 2, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally,
I don’t see this really improving the Lakers. I like Ron, but I think he’s easily one of the most overrated players in the L today. His defense is not as good as people think. Back when he was in Indiana when he had a little more speed and hand checking was allowed, Ron was a beast. Now, pretty much any guard or SF with a little speed can get past him. With the rules in place, I would much rather have a long, fast, athletic Ariza than a semi-slow, bulky, tough Artest on defense. Speed kills in today’s NBA and Ron doesn’t have that. And let’s not forget that one of the best ball moving teams is bringing in one of the biggest ball stoppers in the L. Doesn’t sound like a recipe for big time success.
The Lakers will certainly be one of the best teams in the L based on talent alone, but this move doesn’t improve them at least in my eyes. At best Artest bring good defense and good shooting, at worst…think GP in a Laker uniform (talented player who’s abilities didn’t mesh with the other Laker stars and hindered the team as a result.)
smell the ashes
by iamstern'skippah! on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Lakers are trying to save money
By wrapping up Artest up in one move instead of signing Odom & Ariza. Only time will tell on this.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Howard-Cooper
weighs in. Looks like he landed on his feet after the SacBee debacle.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 2, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it's a rich get richer year
So many teams are desperate to shed money that the title contenders can almost pick up any veteran they want. I take it Houston has officially pulled the plug for franchise reboot.
BTW, Artest is much better Ariza. Ariza ain’t even John Salmons good.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ariza is all upside, long fast, athletic decent 3 point shooter and young…
Rons not that bloody good anymore.
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by Bushka on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you getting this Ariza juice from? The guy was only good for 2 games of a 7 game series. Scott Pollard used to factor into more games being the 9th man from the bench.
by bignerd on Jul 2, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because of the Jersey he will be wearing
and what it says on the front above his number.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the championship team vs. the worst team in the league is hardly a rivalry anymore…
by cbsf on Jul 3, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see
Will Ariza be very good, or is he a product of the Jackson system? I seem to recall the majority of Bulls from the Jackson days performing very well for Phil and then doing nothing when they left.
by amonk81 on Jul 2, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a classic NBA role player
And he’s about to be severely overpaid.
The Rockets will be his fourth team in six years. This was his fifth year in the league and he averaged 9 pts, 4 reb, and 2 ast on 46% from the field and 32% from three. He stepped up at the right time. That’s a good quality to have, but not if it’s accompanied by inconsistent performance in the regular season. Now he’s not playing for a championship, not playing for a contract, and not playing on the best offense in the league.
On the other hand, the Lakers just got a more talented, more experienced player to fill the exact same role for nearly half the price that Ariza considered a slap in the face. I’m not gonna guarantee that the Lakers will be able to repeat, but there’s no doubt in my mind that Artest is an upgrade over Ariza, and doubly so for the price. All I can say is that I hope that McGrady shows up for the Rockets since this is a contract year. If they can’t get good value out of him on the court or through a trade, they are seriously screwed.
by furious.d on Jul 3, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe
Gunning for MJ’s six titles now to cement his legacy, creep into argument as best shooting guard ever.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 3, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never and Ridiculous
I don’t recall MJ winning any titles as someone’s sidekick.
I don’t recall MJ ever blowing an NBA Finals for his team, Kobe’s done it 3 times going into the “do it myself mode”.
MJ was always the best player on the floor the 1st Quarter through the last. Kobe usually didn’t step until the 4th.
Sadly, I’d even say Gasol was the Lakers best player in the Playoffs. Gasol was at least the 2nd best post player and based on the Finals I’d say he was better overall than even Howard.
Robert Horry has 6-7 rings? He’s not the NBA’s best SF/PF combo. Rings are not the deciding criteria.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MJ
didn’t win until Pippen showed up. Phil Jackson might have also helped the cause.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 4, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Facts are a bitch
I don’t recall MJ ever blowing an NBA Finals for his team, Kobe’s done it 3 times going into the "do it myself mode".
Kobe’s lost twice in the finals and has won four times.
I’d agree that Gasol outplayed Howard in the final series this year. Probably a big reason why Shaq is now a Cav after Howard went for 40 against them in the last game.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 4, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, still pretending he lost this year. Kobe still lost the Finals twice, both times ended his teams chances by going 1 on 5. Kobe has won exactly one has the alpha dog.
Pippen showed up? Pippen was on those Bulls teams that got annually spanked by the Pistons. Jordan was the guy who pushed Pippen to be more. Phil showed up just in time to cash in Jordan’s rise. Phil figured out how to coach but the Bulls would have won that first title with Dick Motta as coach.
by bignerd on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe is afraid of Artest
That’s why he beg Lakers front office to hire Artest. So from now on, no one will physically guard him or even bully him on the court maybe in practice but not on a actual game.
by mykelala01 on Jul 4, 2009 1:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh please
Say what you want about Kobe, but I don’t think he’s scared of anyone on the court. Artest has gotten the better of him a few times in the past, but Kobe lit him up in the playoffs pretty much anytime the Rockets were dumb enough to put Artest on him.
StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.
by otis29 on Jul 4, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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