Only Sean May Can Lose
by Tom Ziller on Jul 21, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
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PrintSean May appears to be coming to Sacramento for realsies. On his Twitter feed, he said,
Sacramento here I come! ;-)
, which would seem to indicate the previously all-but-official acquisition is now something akin to official.
May's rumored signing has drawn more apathy 'round here than expected, and I fully blame Shelden Williams.
Williams was our virginal high pick reclamation project, taken on in the Mike Bibby trade and as such became the highest draft selection (#5) on the roster. Williams disappointed in every facet: he wasn't a practice floor All-Star, he ditched half of Summer League to accompany his girlfriend to the ESPYs, and he showed no improvement on offense, the key weak spot in his game. Of course, most of his Sacramento career came under Reggie Theus, so blame should be offered with context: he wasn't the only Kings project to fail during that period.
Williams could have been a key big man off the bench, the rebounding/defense counterpoint to Spencer Hawes. It didn't happen, Jason Thompson's swagger sent Shel to the forest, and that's all she wrote. Sean May, similarly, can be the New Diogu, a killer scorer/rebounder off the bench. A spark. Or, Jon Brockman can be so bruising, so authentically tough that May is rendered useless, another seat on the plane and nothing more.
You shouldn't be surprised either way. May has the talent to be something useful, but he has a history that screams "waste of time." The truth isn't somewhere in between: it's one or the other. Let's hope it's the positive one. If not, no harm done. The Kings are committing minimal resources. From the team/fan perspective, there's no way to lose. Only May can suffer defeat here.
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I'm
liking the signing. He needs to bust his ass in order to prove he belongs in the NBA
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I'm okay with this
I assume he comes on the cheap and will have no choice but to bust his ass for us. Any idea what the deal is for or how long it is?
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It's almost definitely for one year at the minimum.
May is going to be fighting for his career here. If he doesn’t do well, he might not be in the NBA next year. Right now, he’s our first big guy off the bench. So he’ll get the chance to prove he belongs.
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That worries me a little
I can see him pulling a Diogu for a full season and earning another MLE contract from Petrie.
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Only reason I'm not worried
Is because next years draft is stuffed with big men. And we’re going to have a top 10 pick again, probably top 5 to be honest.
And I think Geoff’s learned by now.
No. I hope Geoff’s learned by now.
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Well, it'll be top-five before the lottery...
…afterwards, it’ll be the 8th pick.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
our number has to come up someday
I’m still lusting after John Wall
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie
Getting John Wall would be awesome. But lets worry about that in 2010 at least.
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The Diogu Reference didn't make sense.
Don’t work for me. He played well for a total 2 games!!! What happened to the things he did BEFORE?
Two good games at the end of the season doesn’t earn the reputation of “killer scorer or rebounder off the bench” Even if Kenny Natt was oblivious to the fact Diogu could play.
This signing is merely, IMO a cheap experiment to see if Sean May can be productive for the Kings. Chances are he wounds up rotting on the bench like Shelden.
BOOK IT!
We won't be able to afford him rotting on the bench
Between the 4 and 5 spot that’s 96 minutes. Say JT and Spence play 36 minutes each, that’s still 24 minutes left. Someone needs to play them. Brockman? You gain boards, lose offense.
And what about injuries?
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I agree with that
If he can play at all, if he really wants to play at all and is healthy
He’ll get a decent # of minutes (I think) to show what his future might be.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
As TZ said
its a minimal investment
so – OK, lets hope for the best.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The minimum can be rough
Let’s get this fella some endorsements:
I am hoping for the best, I believe he’s got a lot of game left in him.
Let’s face it, he seems to have a lot of everything left in him.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
another post option
Sean can be useful, I guess. He is different than the other bigs we have. He can score around the hoop. If his knee is ok.
We are still missing a back-up center, Geoffrey!
I doubt we are getting involved in any trades for BA contracts for Dalembert, Kaman, or Chandler.
Shot-blocking is an overrated statistic, but a big man with presence to back up the 5 spot is useful. I guess John Bryant didn’t play that well in VSL. Garret Siler is a huge big man that is out there. There are a number of decent sized D-leaguers that can rebound, play D, and intimidate.
Does anybody have some favorite big men Petrie should look at to play center alongside May or Brockman when the bench mob goes in?
by Ice_9ine on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I've already talked about Fesenko
Rasho Nesterovic is out there and he plays some great defense. Offensively he’s pretty limited but he can shoot.
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Plus he fulfills our "White Center" requirement.
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Fesenko is worth a try
But would the Kings have to trade to get him? And what has he proved except that he is huge.
Rasho is gettin old and I don’t think he would play for the minimum.
by Ice_9ine on Jul 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
How motivated will he be to play on a struggling team????
It’s one thing to play on a contender, but a team that’s re-building . . . It would be enough to drive any man to go for thirds at the local HOME TOWN BUFFET.
Ba-da
If he can't motivate himself on a team where he'll get minutes
His NBA career will be over.
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If healthy May backs up the 4 and 5
something he can do and we desperately need. Fesenko and Nesterovic are probably off the table now unless we loosen the jam at the 3/4 (Noce, Casspi, Donte’).
I can’t help it!!!
May is a TITANIC addition to the roster.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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MAMMOTH pick up.
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if Sean May is 6'8"
I still think we need another big who has a little more height for the center spot.
Nobody has anything on D-league guys? There is a guy named Loobt who is apparently a rebound and block machine.
by Ice_9ine on Jul 21, 2009 11:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL.
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i get the feeling they wanna keep Fesenko
He will be their 3rd big with Millsap and Okur
by Ice_9ine on Jul 21, 2009 11:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No he wouldn't
They have Kosta Koufos as their 3rd big. And if they trade Boozer to Miami, they’ll probably get Haslem back as well.
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oh right on
Have you heard of this Looby guy though? Sounds like what we need. Ridiculous Upside did a profile on him a while back.
by Ice_9ine on Jul 21, 2009 12:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's the link
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2009/5/10/870921/d-league-player-profiles-kurt-looby
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by My Losing Season on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
A booger eating moron for the ages!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sean May when healthy and in relatively good shape.......
The only season he was healthy and fairly fit he actually got pretty good minutes…..
And was a bright spot on a fairly bad Charlotte team.
by Devastation Co. MMA on Jul 21, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
I don't know what those numbers mean
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If May does get spend the season riding the pine, he will be a very efficient bench warmer. I’m sure he could keep three seats warm by himself. Never underestimate the value of a warm bench. I always try to look on the bright side.
Disclaimer: comments may have been made under the influence of alcohol. If the Kings start winning, this will probably change.
So May INSTEAD of Diogu?
Diogu wasn’t just good when he got playing time… he dominated at PF like we haven’t seen in Sacramento since Webber had his best games… did you guys watch the final three games? I did. After the first I was impressed but thought it was a fluke… after the second I was really impressed but thought two monster, dominant performances could be luck… by the end of the third dominating performance I was pretty sure this guy was an incredible player… he was puting up Dwight Howard numbers but with a more polished inside game. Bad players don’t do that, and Diogu did more in those three games than May has done in his entire career. Diogu showed power and skill that Thompson doesn’t have, and I was excited to see Diogu get to prove himself this year.
He wanted 3 + mil and multiple years
too much based on three games against 3 years of mediocrity.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
No, we released Dwight Howard
with a more polished inside game
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Go Kings!
?
A Mix between Dwight Howard and John Bryant? Nice! A poor man’s Oliver Miller? Sweet!
Ailene Voisin is wack
A poor man's Oliver Miller would just be an in-shape Oliver Miller
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 23, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I said
He WAS PUTING UP Dwight Howard numbers in those games when he had the opportunity to play… be it only for a few games. Dwight Howard has an unpolished inside game; that’s not debatable…. so what I said is true. The bottom line is, if this is a May vs. Diogu discussion, May is an overweight player with severe knee problems who has never lived up to any expectations… Diogu dominated games when he was given an opportunity to play. I’d rather have Diogu on the Kings.
I'd rather have the one who's not asking
3 mil a year to play backup just because he played well on 2 games during a contract year when everyone on the floor except him was talking with the blondes in the first rows instead of playing.
He may be good, but not for that money. Still, I think May can put some good quality minutes in the mix
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Go Kings!
Now its THREE games?
I don’t know if you watched the final three games sir. Diogu’s great games were the last two when Spence hurt his knee in the Denver game. Then he started against Minnesota. Those two games were not enough to guarantee more than a year and the minimum contract in my opinion.
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I agree Ayk
Whats up with people on here not being able to follow the thread of dicussions? Isnt it possible that the Kings still sign Ike?
Ailene Voisin is wack
We could still sign Ike
But I don’t see why (I’m considering Jon Brockman a lock to make the team)
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I'd like to see him rebound against NBA talent before I jump on that bandwagon.
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That bandwagon better have heavy duty shocks
This is like eating potato chips – I can’t stop.
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right - it was only two games
and he was upset his 3.9 mil option wasn’t picked up.
(these spoiled overpaid guys!)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong it was 4 games
Go look at the stats. Diogu played 4 games where he got double digits of playing time and in all 4 his per minute stats were roughly the same. The last 2 games stand out because he played almost 40 minutes in both games and was able to generate some big numbers due to the extended playing time. In every other game he played in for the Kings he only got single digits of playing time, not enough to really get in the flow of the game IMNSHO. I think Diogu was worthy of signing for another year for 1-2 million with perhaps a 2nd year TO just to see if he could prove himself. He was most certainly NOT worth signing for the 3.9M he would have been owed as a RFA.
We could have
but we’ve decided height is an old NBA myth. It’s all about the width now, baby!
Moving at the speed of molasses.
What I like About this is...
He’s pretty young and could likley rebound from the knee issues. I was quite impressed and surprised with the following youtube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMG4SAbXdEw
Ailene Voisin is wack
Looked good
Nice drives to the basket. He knows how to use his big body and can shoot 17 feet jumpers. If he plays his best, he’ll be a great asset.
I’m positive he won’t eat his career away.
No car flags necessary.
As far as skills he looked good.
However , at the very beginning did you see him standing next to D Howard? May looked like a midgit standing next to him . And some people are thinking May will play back-up center ? Not
MAYBE!
He’ll give the practice group someone that Brockman can knock the teeth out of??? Yes, thats it!
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Thats the BIG question
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
If he could get into shape, take some weight off those knees, he’s a pretty good low post player.
I think he’d really have to dedicate himself though, change his eating habits permanently.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently he's doing that
We haven’t seen pictures of him lately to be fair to the guy.
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Some Optimism regarding May
He’s 25 and last year was coming off of knee surgery.
His stats pre-knee surgery (his sophomore campaign) were 11.9 points (on 50% shooting), 6.7 rebounds (2.1 offensive), .7 blocks and 1.9 assists in 23 minutes. He won’t be getting much more than 23 minutes a game next season and if he puts up similar numbers to that I won’t be complaining at all. Those are essentially the numbers JT put up last year, and this time it will be coming from JT’s backup.
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Also
For those who say Diogu did more in those two games than May has ever done.
Diogu’s career highs ( in 187 games played):
Points: 32
Rebounds: 13 (twice)
Assists: 3
Steals: 3
Blocks: 4
May’s career highs (in 82 games played):
Points: 32
Rebounds: 17
Assists: 6
Steals: 5
Blocks: 3 (twice)
All of May’s career highs were attained pre-injury, but he is young.
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The Key Stat = "pre-injury"
Now we have half of our front court, having had micro-fracture surgery, May’s was just the latest in a series of knee injuries since entering the NBA. His surgury was less than a month after Oden’s.
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You forgot one stat
May career highs
Surguries: 3
Diogu career highs
Surguries: 0
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And didn't want to fanshot this since it seemed like overkill
But Voisin is confirming the May deal and that its for one year minimum contract.
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Good signing
Would rather have a true center, but this is good.
I expect JT to see quite a bit of time at C this year, with May, JB, Noc, Donté and Casspi all seeing time at PF.
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After the VSL, the thought of JT at center with Brockman at PF isn't the least bit comforting.
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I agree with you that JT is probably going to see some time at the Center this year
And I personally don’t like it, especially if he doesn’t keep the fouls down this year. In Vegas, he only really seemed to be comfortable when playing the PF or against other PFs.
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I am the only one who misses...
Justin Williams? I just liked his attitude and for a 4th big, he was athletic and long enough to protect the basket…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 21, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
he was also athletic and long enough
to get some threesome action
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
He's gotta figure it out at sometime
It’s better that he pays his dues at Center and struggles on a 25 win team than have to figure out in a playoff scenario a few years down the road.
It's not about figuring anything out
it’s about developing a low post game. Being able to score in close and learning how to get position to rebound better. They’re just not skills he’s developed as of yet.
He’s just now perfecting his midrange jumper and driving to the basket & finishing. We already have a potential PF that’s one dimentional and cant score in Brockman. Having a Center who has no low post game & is still trying to learn how to defend without fouling out of every game, doesn’t sound like a winning combination to me.
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I was elduding to his foul trouble
It’s better to have him learn the ropes of defending the center position now than later.
I'm more interested in fielding a competetive rotation.
And, I’m not sure JT’s cut out to be a center. He doesn’t seem to have learned the basics of playing center after 4 years of college, and playing center in college. I’ll be happy if he learns how to play PF this year.
It just seems wrong to put a second year guy into the position of learning to play 2 positions. I know there are a lot of people who will say that their isn’t much difference between the 2 position especially the way the Kings play. But, JT doesn’t have a good left hand, and can’t score with his back to the basket. So, he’s starting out with 2 strikes against him.
And, without having another legit backup center on the team, it just puts too much pressure on all the bigs if JT can’t stay out of foul trouble. Spencer ends up playing excessive minutes. May will have to play more center & at 6’ 9", he’s going to be overmatched. And, Brockman(should he make the team) is going to play extended minutes at PF, where his offense is going to hurt us.
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Casspi's not physically ready for the 4 spot.
Give him a couple years and some bulk though.
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Thanks, that makes me feel a whole lot better
Our starting PF has to backup our center so he has to limit his minutes at PF. But, our backups at the PF position are a rookie with no offensive skills & a guy coming of microfacture surgery and suffers from an eating disorder.
But, never fear, we can get help from a rookie SF who’s undersized for the PF position, a second year player who can’t win the backup SF position, and another undersized SF who probably already be playing extended minutes at the SF position.
Brilliant stategy. Let’s play everyone out of position. Let’s us a backup SF as our backup SG, and we can use a starting SG for our PG. The other teams will be so confused they won’t know who to cover. There’s got to be a mismatch at every position, they’ll have so many choices they’ll probably run out the 24sec clock deciding who should take the shot.
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lol +1
Can someone please tell me , who’s going to guard opposing centers ? Because we all know Spencer struggled at this duty last year
At least with Ike , we’d have some real muscle down there,when needed . Yes i know it was only 2 games , But Mr. undersized ike man handled Nene . And even accidently knocked his tooth out .
I’m already having bad visions of Spencer , May , and JT(if not in foul trouble) trying to guard the paint.
Hopefully we’ll run so much it won’t matter
I think May will play back-up Center
A lot of 2nd string guys are smaller. He can throw his weight around in there . . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And, if that doesn't work we can try Thomas, he should be rested.
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Also , scroll up
And check out the youtube clip(bambooozled) on May . He looked like a midgit standing next to Howard
Blair looked like a midget next to Thabeet
But we all saw how that match-up turned out, so maybe have May play the 5 isn’t a bad idea. Also I think that Greene will see a lot of time at the 4 being that he’s 6’11 240. I don’t think he added the weight for nothing, besides half the PF’s in the NBA are really SF’s. Just look at what Orlando did with Rashad Lewis. Plus in the summer league Greene avg nearly 6 rebounds, 1 block, and 1 steal, and we all know he can score. So I have no problem with him being a back-up power forward.
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The Ike vs. May debate
The way I see it: they are both unproven and it’s like deciding whether to draft one or the other. They have both played limited minutes in their careers, for the most part. Ike because of being traded from team to team and not being able to get consistent minutes, and May mostly because of his injuries amd weight problems.
To me, Petrie got a chance to study Ike’s workouts (practices) for a couple months and got to see May once. While also taking into consideration the price tag, if Sean May convinced Petrie to sign him in one workout that has to say something about Ike who had plenty of practices to impress the Kings FO.
I think I’m gonna go ahead and trust Petrie with young prospects.
The future begins now...
Rotation update
PG:
Evans / Beno / Sergio
SG:
K-Mart / Garcia / Evans
SF:
Nocioni / Greene / Casspi
PF:
JT / May / Brockman / Greene / Nocioni
C:
Hawes / May
Although I still expect Nocioni to be traded this year.
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
I do to
But I think Noc gets traded at the deadline.
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Garcia will likely be the first guy off the bench at SF
Martin will get most of the minutes at SG, so there won’t be much opportunity for anyone else at that position as long as Speed stays healthy. It would appear right now that Greene, Casspi, and either Beno or Sergio are going to struggle to get significant minutes if Evans, Martin, Noc, and Garcia are all healthy.
Meanwhile, the back-up center position clearly remains a gaping hole.
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by My Losing Season on Jul 21, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
April's glowers bring May's powers
not Like Digou.
You own a team. You have limited cash resources. Your team won 17 games and is filled with a rebuilding roster that needs time, experience and more time and has a new Head Coach. You hope to win 7-10 more games this coming season.
Why in the heck would you spend an extra $2-4M (if two years) to win an extra game or three and sign Diogu over May?
Sean May, welcome to Sacramento. Let’s see what you got.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 21, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions
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