The True Potential of Tyreke Evans
by Exhibit G on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM PDT
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Just as I finished writing a column about all of us showing patience and not prematurely anointing Tyreke Evans as our savior, I had a sudden realization about his true potential with the Kings. Please forgive my hypocrisy.
We've talked a lot about Tyreke's potential as an individual player. In summer league he demonstrated an ability to drive into traffic, create contact, and create shots. He spent a lot of time at the free throw line. It may have only been summer league, but he demonstrated skills that have a good possibility of translating to the regular season.
But we have not focused on the most important part of this potential.
We've talked about how Tyreke and Kevin Martin create match-up problems for opposing teams, and how they can be a very formidable back court. You've got a lights-out shooter with the ability to get to the line, and he's paired with a dynamic scorer who may also have the ability to visit the stripe with some frequency. If these two can learn to play well off of each other, the Kings could have something special.
But we've still failed to focus on the most important part of this potential.
We've talked about who his game reminds us of. We've drawn comparisons to the violent manner in which he attacks the lane, and how it reminds us of LeBron. Nobody has tried to say that Tyreke will be LeBron, but that aspect of the game is reminiscent. We've talked about how Dwyane Wade might also be an apt comparison, at least in terms of driving the lane. When we've discussed these comparisons, we're thinking of what could someday be. We're thinking of what Tyreke could become.
But even with such lofty comparisons, we're still not focused on the most important part of Tyreke's potential.
The most important aspect of Tyreke Evans' potential is the potential to elevate Sacramento to the status of a desirable destination once again. Now please hold your groans and hear me out (Hear me out? Read me out? Whatever). This is not a "Summer of 2010" story. I've said before that I don't see the Kings landing one of the "big names" in 2010. It's just not a very realistic goal. But Tyreke Evans could help this become a team that free agents want to play for.
Carlos Boozer recently stated that his preferred trade destination would be Miami. The reason, of course, is to play with Dwyane Wade. Once again, I don't want to be mistaken for saying that Evans will become Wade. He'll be his own player, but he could become a similar draw. You can never ignore the drawing power of huge piles of money, but would Toronto have still been able to snatch Hedo Turkoglu away from Portland if they didn't also have Chris Bosh? Tyreke Evans could mean Sportscenter highlights, and not just highlights of players scoring against the Kings. He could mean the Kings getting positive national attention again.
The counter argument, of course, is that it takes a lot to change a city's stigma. Ask Al Jefferson and Kevin Love. But Sacramento has overcome that stigma before. This is a franchise that shown it can build a good team. Say whatever else you want about the Maloofs, but we have engaged owners. We have team management that has a good reputation. What has been lacking recently is the drawing power that exciting players bring. I like Kevin Martin as much as the next guy, but his game is efficient. It isn't flashy, particularly not last season. Evans has an effective game that will also generate some highlights. His game is exciting.
When we've looked back at better times, we often point to Vlade Divac choosing to come to Sacramento as a pivotal turning point on the road to becoming a good team. Obviously Tyreke Evans was drafted to play here, but he also has demonstrated a desire to play here. At this point it is too early to tell if this is totally genuine or just a young player saying the right things. But if Tyreke's presence can inspire other free agents to consider Sacramento as a viable destination, it will be a major turning point in this rebuilding process, just as it was when Divac signed and the Kings traded for Webber. If he can do that, he'll be realizing his full larger potential as a Sacramento King.
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I try
not to get too excited about this kid … but the more I see him, and the more I read about him ….. oooooh man.
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by what_the_crap on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've given up on trying to not be excited
I freaking LOVE this guy!
by Nosferatu on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think the LeBron is a great comparison
He’s too fast for the guys that are strong enough to handle him and too strong for the guys that can keep up. He’s basically a smaller version of what we wish Artest would’ve been
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by vfettke on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Can we think of other examples?
“Carlos Boozer recently stated that his preferred trade destination would be Miami. The reason, of course, is to play with Dwyane Wade.”
To my knowledge, Boozer already lives in Miami. In addition the massive tax relief Florida offers is well chronicled.
Theory: is Pat Riley still a draw?
Would people be lining up to sign with Kobe if he wasn’t on a good team? Imo players want to go where they can win in this argument, and the team needs to be good, not just one great player.
by RoadDogg on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The argument could be made
that Miami is really just one great player. They were terrible in 2008 because of how banged up Wade was. But when he came back they made the playoffs.
Good players will go where they recognize great talent if the situation is right. If Kobe Bryant played for a terrible Grizzlies team, then he might not draw as much. But if he played for an up and coming New York team with a great GM and great coach, that one player might help.
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by vfettke on Jul 22, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great talent on poor teams
just doesn’t happen. If Kobe were on the Grizzlies, they would be good. That is part of the excitement of Evans. If he reaches the potential that he has shown flashes of, we will be a good team and a popular destination.
by markdog333 on Jul 23, 2009 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacramento's status as a small market small town is overrated.
At least the weather is nice. Maybe I’m just not a 6’6" millionaire twenty something athlete, but I would live in Sacramento over at least half of the other NBA cities.
by sdfd on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I really don’t understand where the bad rep comes from…and I’m not just some homer saying that. I didn’t live here until I was 22, moved away for a bit and came back. I like it. Weather is good. Plenty to do. I’ve never had a problem w/ the ladies here. I could maybe see the point if your looking to tear up the town on a Monday night, but for the most part, its a fun town. Tahoe and the Bay are close, too.
The only other NBA cities I think are as livable or better: Boston, LA, Chi-Town, NY, Denver, Philly, the Bay, Portland, Toronto and Miami.
And personally, TOR, PHI and CHI are too cold for me to live there. BOS and NY cold, too, but I’d do it for a few years.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 22, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
with all due respect PK
your agenda and lifestyle are, as you point out, not that of a 6’6" millionaire, who is most likely African-American and raised in a different than Sacto atmosphere – probably East Coast, probably urban. Your friends and “home” are far away. On the East Coast, to those unintiated, which is the very large majority, Sacramento is it’s own version of NBA Siberia. This isn’t about hummus. This isn’t about soul food. Misbegotten quotes and information – from the Charles Barekely’s, Bill Simmons’, John Hollinger’s, all add up to conjure an unfortunate image.
Sacramento and the surrounding areas? I could live elsewhere and so could you. There aren’t many places as nice. There is much to do and much to see and the weather is pleasing. Detroit? Cleveland? Milwaukee? OKC? you say Philly? I would replace Denver witih Phoenix as well but again this is me, and this isn’t about me.
One would think that with money and celebrity, and a pretty town with very nice weather, having the job you have dreamed of (playing your game at the highest levels) – how could one not awaken with a smile? San Antonio? SLC? Fine places I would be happy in, but it is their winning accomplishments and reputation that make them more fetching than comparable SacTown.
It isn’t all reputation either – the Los Angeles Clippers. How would you like that on your job tunic when you have the purple and gold flashing in your face all over time all the time? The NY Knicks are a storied franchise in “the greatest city in the world” who play at the “worlds most famous arena” yet the current crop of players only hear about great Knick teams, they have never grown up with one.
Conclusion: Sacramento has an undeserved inferiority complex. If the current ownership group can put together a winning, exciting team, players who play to win will want to play here.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 23, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Taking Over Games Late
I’m not a season ticket holder, but I go to a lot of the Kings’ home games. I used to sit in the expensive seats, now I opt for the $10 specials.
If there is one thing I have seen far too many times in close games, it’s the fact that the other team has a superstar on their team who gets the ball on just about every offensive possession and makes things happen. Just last year alone, I watched Dwayne Wade and Tracy McGrady do it to us (the first two memories that come to mind, I’m sure there were others). Everyone remembers analysts talking about the 4th quarter strategy for the Cavs in the playoffs, “Get the ball to LeBron and get out of the way!”
Aside from a great hanging layup in Game 3 against the Spurs and the “Let’s Go Home!” game winner in Seattle, I can’t really think of too many games in which Kevin Martin won the game for us in the waning seconds.
I’m not saying Tyreke will control games for us akin to other superstars, but it’s one thing this team needs badly. If he does become that player, bully for us; if not, there’s still great hope he can combine with Kevin to help us win some of those close games that slipped away from us last year. I think keeping defenses honest to some degree (ie. by his own virtue or opening Kevin up some) is already a step in the right direction.
by #12Pick...who? on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his injury messed up his swagger and confidence, to be honest
and the year before the ball went into the black hole in crunch time
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by vfettke on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Being a closer is being a star. Harris and Granger proved that last season. Both players brought positive attention to their respective teams. I believe Tyreke can be the ‘one’ for us.
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by JETisKing on Jul 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that is not to say that Martin isn't clutch
, he just has a hard time beating a double-team to create his own shot at the end of the game. He can create for himself at the end of the game, but he will also create some space for Martin to hit some more game winning shots too.
by markdog333 on Jul 23, 2009 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
that should have been…Evans can create for himself at the end of the game, but he will also create some space for Martin to hit some more game winning shots too.
by markdog333 on Jul 23, 2009 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take G-
I think the Kings are going to be a decent destination city for two reasons-
1- Money
The Kings are going to have some but hopefully it will go to a player who both likes money : ) but also wants to play here in Sacto.
2- A core of Martin Hawes, Thompson and Evans.
One guy doesn’t make this a desirable place any time soon. If Evans is the real deal, it will probably take a 3-4 year window to garner the type of hype that you are focusing on here. If this four man core can develop into a playoff caliber group, a big time player looking to complete a championship puzzle might come aboard- probably not the 2010 crop but maybe 2011/2012.
As the Kings stand coming in to this season, they have the financial ability to be players in a FA market but not the roster/facility/big city draw to compete. This might all change if Martin stays healthy, Hawes becomes a 15/9/4 guy, JT becomes a 18/10 guy and Evans becomes the nightly triple double threat that some people are prognosticating….the Maloofs get their arena deal….and the team becomes a SportsCenter attraction again, renewing the public persona of the city/team. I think some of this can happen but I also believe that in order to land the big time FA, all of this is going to have to happen. More likely, another high draft pick completes this group and with the future of the salary cap looking so bleak the Kings will have an early jump on operating a franchise below the sinking luxury tax. The future would then become adding vital role players and extending our developing stars.
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by jjham15 on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was thinking along those same lines. Not that it would be immediate, but that this could be his long-term potentail. If he becomes an All-Star, great! But if he helps makes this a desirable team to be a part of again, even better.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing, Exhibit G!
Although I think the “true potential” of Tyreke is to go out and wreck the opposition, and make the Kings winners again.
And if that happens, players will take notice and see that teaming up with Tyreke in Sacramento could be very intriguing.
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by LaBradford on Jul 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two thoughts.
I won’t even promise that they’re good ones.
A team and a city can easily and quickly overcome a stigma, particular in the world of professional sports, and maybe even more particularly in the NBA. A season or two of positive activity and even the Clippers (team) and Thunder (city) become attractive if the money is also there. Stigma is over-rated.
If there is an attractive element in place, players will look for, even fabricate in their own minds, positives. New York is New York. Miami is South Beach. If there is any other positive element or illusion a player wants to play there. What about Sacramento? I submit that however we feel about them, the Maloofs are an attraction to NBA players. To a lesser degree, the recent positive vibe and energy and success of the Divac/Webber Kings and the rocking Arco Arena lingers, even if it no longer reverberates. To perhaps an even lesser degree, the sheer dignity of Geoff Petrie is undoubtedly known and appreciated among agents and, therefore, players. Finally, and finally on point, give Evans one great rookie season and it is true that good players will consider hitching up to that wagon. Most players, bravado aside, can’t handle being The Deal. They need to glom onto success. Few egos rise above that.
I may have cheated, but I’m calling that last paragraph one thought. My thoughts can be big, even if not that good.
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by left hand on Jul 22, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with your first thought, agree with your second
In terms of stigma, it’s not like the Clippers have never had good seasons. They were developing a decent team, brought in Baron Davis, and yet Elton Brand still wanted out. I don’t think a few winning seasons changes the fact that Donald Sterling is the owner. But that’s a stigma about the owner, not the city, so it isn’t exactly the same. I’d point again to the Timberwolves. They had a good thing going for a year when Sprewell and Cassell were on the team, but free agents were very reluctant to go there, even when it meant playing with Kevin Freaking Garnett.
As for your second thought, even if it is a bit long, I agree with you.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. I need to think it through better.
Regarding “stigma”, perhaps what I am thinking is that that word is overused, like “dynasty”. It is impossible to argue that a city such as Minneapolis has trouble drawing NBA stars and that an organization like the Clippers are stigmatized by a history of ineptitude. I just don’t think in most cases, including any reference to Sacramento and the Kings, that word applies.
And, may I say, your thoughts are big too, chief.
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by left hand on Jul 24, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elton Brand is an idiot
Not to belittle him, but other than Shaquille O’Neal, there might not be a MORE overrated big in the last 25 years.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
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by Exhibit G on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players want to play either where
a) they have a good chance of winning b) where they may get more playing time.
If Tyreke excels option “a” will once again lure top free agents to the Kings.
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Jul 22, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how bout c?
c) where they’ll get paid…. it seems that the Kings will be able to pay free agents too
by Slaaam on Jul 22, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea, they also like money!!!! How did I forget that one?
Although they will take less because of option “a”.
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Jul 22, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like a guy who goes by
Ba-Da Bing to have crisp, concise thoughts. Bravo!
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by left hand on Jul 24, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word, G.
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by JETisKing on Jul 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post G
and I totally appreciated the use of capitol letters, correct spelling (I think) and let me give you an additional shout out for your use of commas.
I was down with your patience post for about an hour until I came back to StR and there were no new posts and it suddenly hit me just how long it is until training camp. Keep up the excellent posts, I wasn’t judging you as a hyocrite, I was just grateful you posted.
It doesn’t take long for a franchise to turn it’s image around. During the last season the dubs received as much or more criticism as the Kings did. In the week (about) since Summer League ended the media, based on the strong performances of Randolph and Marrow are subtly starting to improve the tone of their reporting on the dub’s prospects for the upcoming season. Now it’s still up to the team to show it on the court but if they have improved in the 09-10 season I am sure you will see the media’s perspective on the dubs change in a really positive way.
If Reke shows signs of becoming the player we hope he will become, lives up to his potential, we will start to see the Kings discussed in the same positive vein that OKC and Portland are now routinely portrayed. When we start to see highlights on ESPN and reports of improved play rather than reports of impending coaching changes and a litany of injuries and losses then as the somewhat self referential media and the players who also consume it will change their opinion of Sacramento fairly quickly
Nice insight. Keep posting please, I have discovered I have no patience at all when it comes to at least reading about the Kings.
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by Bluejohn on Jul 22, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. Agreed!
Keep posting please, I have discovered I have no patience at all when it comes to at least reading about the Kings.
Yep. It’s going to be rough for the next few months.
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by JETisKing on Jul 22, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You all got it bad.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 22, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't see it as hypocrisy G
I actually think that part of being patient is being optimistic. We gotta be patient wih our young guys because we are optimistic that they are going to develop into the players we all want. We gotta be patient and not throw crazy trade ideas around because we gotta be optimistic that what we have is going to develop into something especial (except for Beno, ship him out as soon as you can).
As for the idea of ‘Reke attracting more players to come to Sac I agree but I think it’s for just more than the Sportscenter highlights, it’s because he’s going to make this team better. Players want to play for winning teams (unless you pay them good money) and right now, the Kings definitely don’t have that. We gotta keep building and everything will come, we just need patience.
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 22, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Good article. Evans could help draw more talent. On a side note, I’m pretty sure Boozer wants to be in Miami primarily because it’s his second home. That’s where he lives in the off-season. Regardless, I agree… talent/potential does attract players.
by Go_Kings on Jul 22, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Miami/ Sacramento
I like Tyreke and think in a couple years he is going to be one of the best young prospects in the NBA……… but he is never going to turn the banks of the American into the white beaches of South Flordia. We need to establish a culture in which we compete always.. no matter external situations. Then some may be willing to come…..
by KingsFanNoMatterWhat on Jul 22, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf is this emoticon
Cartoon self-caricature? G… G… the Ziller ways have poisoned you. I’m refusing to read this post till you change the picture to the old G we all know and love.
Victory is tasty.
by iashwash on Jul 22, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
so I lied. Good stuff.
Victory is tasty.
by iashwash on Jul 22, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 23, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Banana
I could go back to it, but I’ve never been entirely sure how it works legally when I’m using someone else’s artwork. I figured a cartoon version of myself will never cause any problems or concerns. One less thing to worry about.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draw your own banana then
I keep geting confused when I see your posts now cause I think its Ziller.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Draw your own banana"
Makes me think of Superbad.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy
He’s looking right, I’m looking left. Completely different.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use this pic.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I can change that B to a G for you.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture frightens me
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Now
I’ll be happy if he can make the Kings relevant again and light a fire under Kevin Martin (and maybe even show him and the rest of the team how to win).
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jul 22, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just a couple things
As other people have mentioned already, The Hedo and boozer examples come with a grain of salt, in that both had other reasons outside of basketball for going/wanting to go to those cities. However, your are right in a way.
Good, vetran players go to teams that are close to winning a championship. In short, very good teams. I think a better example is Lebron. Who wanted to go to there before Lebron was there? Who wanted to play with Ricky Davis?
The important thing is that players like Wade and Lebron make teammates better, and they make thier teams winning clubs over time. It is what attracts good vetran players for little money. Look at the Celtics, they have three stars, and it almost brought Reggie Miller out of retirement. Its true that free agents will always want to get paid first, but when it comes to two teams offering a player the same deal, and the player has to choose, more often than not they will chooose the better team.
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by Ellimist on Jul 23, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ricky who?
Yes I said it. Great post.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Jul 23, 2009 4:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think wanting to play with a particular player is overblown.
Of course, this could also be because of my perspective, and I’m okay with that. But I have a hard time believing that players flock to a particular team, just because they have good players. We hear lots of talk of it happening, but the only time we see it is in the twilight of players’ careers. And It’s not because a team has good players, but because they have a good chance to win a championship.
Your case of Hedo Turkoglu is an excellent example of this. If Turkoglu wanted to play with great players, Portland has more of a draw than Toronto. Roy vs Bosh is probably a wash talent-wise, but who else does Toronto have? Portland has a solid young core that may take a step up to challenge for a championship in a few years, but they’re not there yet. But Toronto wasn’t really even in the race for a playoff spot this year.
It all came down to money. Toronto offered Turkoglu more than Portland did. Big free agent signings always come down to money. You want the best free agents? Pay them more than anyone else does.
I like the Kings. I like Evans and Martin. I think they’ll be good together. But unless you’re either contending for a championship or have more money to spend than anyone else, good free agents just aren’t going to happen. Portland fans got that rude awakening this summer already.
Or it could just be that I’m just another Portland fan who’s miffed at being left standing at the altar.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 23, 2009 6:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points
Or it could just be that I’m just another Portland fan who’s miffed at being left standing at the altar.
Even if this is the case, thanks for the different perspective.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the post.
I like to read people being excited for their team. It reminds me of what I went through just a few years ago. Didn’t really try to rain on your parade, but re-reading what I wrote, I think I might have. Your post made me think. And while I came to a different conclusion, a post that makes me think is a good post. Even if it’s a subject that fans down in Sacramento think about all the time.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 23, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
I didn’t feel like you were raining on it. I completely agree with you, I enjoy reading posts that generate debate and discussion, so that’s what I try to write. I’ve got absolutely no problem if someone disagrees with me and makes a counterargument with a very recent and relevant example.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 23, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard
Hedo switched to Toronto at the last minute because his wife wanted to live there instead of Portland. I’m assuming she’s some kind of mildly-hot-to-extremely-hot European model of some sort, which adds credibility to this explanation. I think Toronto only offered a tiny bit more money.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 23, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be tiny in comparison, but it's actually pretty big.
The difference between 52.5 million and 55 million doesn’t seem that big until you really think about spending that extra 2.5 million. That’s like being given a free mansion, or even 250,000 more pizzas. If Turkoglu lives to 100 years old, and ate a whole pizza for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day of his life, he’d only eat 76,000 pizzas.
“Come to Toronto, where we offer an extra house and free pizza for life.”
:p
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by T Darkstar on Jul 23, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But can he get a decent pizza in Toronto?
Maybe the more appropriate measurement here would be “free poutin and maple syrup for life”.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you T Darkstar
I don’t have any league sources, I read the same stuff that you guys read. When Hedo came to Portland he came by himself and at that time the Toronto offer wasn’t on the table. Yes, Toronto offered more money, but besides money, Toronto offers Hedo’s family (read wife) a large robust Turkish community that was appealing to both of them but particularly her. In short, brother Hedo is whupped. He responded to the same laws of nature that we all do, i.e, “when mama’s happy, everybody’s happy.”
I forget which writer it was but he said that when he read that Hedo was flying out to Portland by himself and that his wife was staying home with the kids that he knew then that Portland had no chance to sign Hedo.
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by Bluejohn on Jul 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt that his wife influenced his decision.
My wife influences most of my decisions as well.
But Portland was (to steal that wretch-inducing line) showing him the money. Negotiations with Portland had gotten to the point where he had his jersey number picked out. That wasn’t saying no. It wasn’t until the last minute, when Toronto finally committed that extra money to him that he packed up and left for the Great White North.
Perhaps his wife liked Toronto better because she knew Toronto could offer Hedo more money? Maybe. Of course, that’s just speculation on my part.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not meaning to be "that guy" who responds to everything.
Just like the conversation. :)
I should probably be steering things back towards the Kings though. Most of you probably don’t come here to read Blazer stuff.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jul 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always room for talk about other teams around here
but in particular, we’re always down to talk about a beloved former player. There could be a whole separate thread talking about Hedo for days, and he wasn’t even that good until he left the Kings.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I have seen of Reke
He doesnt seem like very engaging or charismatic. In fact, to me, he as come off as dull. Now, I dont think that personality is everything, nor do I assume that his on-camera attitute is the same as his on-court or lockerroom demeanor. But I feel like most top players—and especially floor leaders—come off as sharp and engaging.
Of course, the opposite isn’t necessarily true either: Just because a player is outspoken and sharp doesnt mean that he will have a positive impact beyond his court contributions. I think Brandon Jennings might be an appropriate counter-example.
Rekes talent and his game’s effect on the team will surely happen, but I wonder if his impacts beyond that will be limited by his intraverted nature.
by DustyG on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You didn't see coachie's birthday rap?
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 23, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Evans has a lot of Jason Williams potential. Meaning what happened with Jason Williams may also happen with Tyreke. Exciting youngster comes to town, gets on SportsCenter, captivates the nation, and makes it cool to come to Sac via free agency/trades.
That could end up being the best part of the pick.
by oldenpolynice on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke ranked #2 in this ESPN article...
Ranking the rookies before the season relies on a simple formula: Talent plus opportunity equals overall production. Much guesswork remains in terms of predicting opportunity, as teams are still filling out their depth charts, so we’ll tweak this list as the offseason moves along. And we’ll add more second-rounders once we get a better idea of which ones will actually make a roster.
Until then, here’s my first 2009-10 rookie report:
The top 10
1. Blake Griffin, Clippers
His combination of talent, powerful athleticism and passion for the game is unique. And he can be a culture changer for a franchise in desperate need of one.
I once heard Christian Laettner, then starring for back-to-back NCAA championship runs at Duke, explain that the key to his success was that he “played poor.” No description better defines Griffin’s style — he plays with an attitude that seems bent on proving he belongs, despite being rich in talent.
2. Tyreke Evans, Kings
Evans is playing for a team in need of talent upgrades, especially at the point guard spot. So it is hard to imagine anything less than 30 minutes a night for this scoring machine.
Similar to Derrick Rose’s situation last season, Evans can expect the offense to revolve a good deal around what he does best. The Kings will post him up, spread the floor for him and feature him as the clock winds down on numerous occasions. With his craftiness, length and skill as a finisher, he could lead the rookie class in points per game.</strong>
3. Jonny Flynn, Timberwolves
As of today, he’s the starting point guard for a team that has great talent inside (and two big bodies to use as ball screens). Flynn has great charisma on the floor, and he can use his jets in both the half-court and full-court game.
Considering the Wolves don’t have a backup point guard who demands playing time, Flynn may lead this rookie class in minutes played. And with his confidence and talent, he’ll put up very productive numbers. Unless … Ricky Rubio decides to suit up for the Wolves, too.
4. DeMar DeRozan, Raptors
No player impressed me more during the summer league than he did. He played like a bigger version of Courtney Lee — he was smart with the ball, didn’t force things and played off his teammates very well. Those attributes are perfect for his role on the Raps, who look very similar to last season’s Magic.
DeRozan can simply make plays within the system and let his veteran teammates carry the tougher work until he evolves into the quality starter he seems destined to become.
5. Brandon Jennings, Bucks
If Ramon Sessions stays in Milwaukee, Jennings will fall out of the top 10. But because Sessions is expected to leave, Jennings projects to play major minutes. And he’s too talented not to put up some impressive numbers.
Jennings plays like a true point, looking to score only if it’s the best option. And he showed in summer league that he can make players better, especially in transition. As I watched him play in Vegas, I kept thinking, “Who wouldn’t like playing with this guy?” If Jennings accepts the tough love he’ll get from Bucks coach Scott Skiles, he will be a candidate for rookie of the year.
6. James Harden, Thunder
I think Harden is the second-best American player in this class, but he’s competing for playing time with Thabo Sefolosha, an up-and-coming player who does many of the same things Harden does. The Thunder need to develop both guys, which means Harden probably won’t get the minutes that the guys ahead of him on this list will.
Still, this gifted passer plays the game beautifully, with a veteran’s pace and intelligence, so he’ll be productive in the time he gets. Should Sefolosha falter, Harden immediately would become a ROY contender.
7. Stephen Curry, Warriors
On one hand, Curry might have been the second-most disappointing rookie in Vegas (though he was second by a long shot to Hasheem Thabeet), shooting poorly and with seemingly no thoughts behind his actions. But on the other hand, he found a way to contribute in other areas.
Curry will figure out a smarter way to play offense (his coach will help), so it seems likely that he’ll end up performing solidly this season.
8. Earl Clark, Suns
As I tweeted from Vegas, it’ll be very hard to keep Clark off the floor this season — primarily, and perhaps a bit ironically, because of his talents on defense. Clark can defend bigs and wings, using his length, quickness and excellent feel for the game. With Phoenix’s front line in flux, it looks as though he’ll earn ample opportunities to show he deserved to be a high lottery pick.
He’s also an excellent passer and a perfect fit in the Suns’ offense.
9. Tyler Hansbrough, Pacers
He showed in Orlando summer league that what we saw from him at UNC for four years is what we’ll get going forward; he’s a beast of a player. He’s better off coming off the bench, where his energy will be even more valuable.
One item of concern: Hansbrough relies on getting to the free throw line a great deal, and that might not happen often as a rookie. He’s better off focusing on finishing rather than trying to get the whistle. He also will be a factor in the Pacers’ transition game, as he rarely fails to race the floor.
10. Jordan Hill, Knicks
Like Clark, the current lack of an identity on the Knicks’ front line suggests that Hill will get minutes. And he’s the type of player who will perform better when surrounded by veterans who understand spacing and timing. Hill will compete at a high level, and his size and agility combined with his effort will translate well to the Knicks’ system
by Go_Kings on Jul 23, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You can’t copy an entire ESPN article and post it here. Kinda illegal.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 24, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just provide the link...
and all is well
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 24, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke needs to be starter from Day 1
Tyreke is an upgrade on both sides of the ball. His defense and rebounding ability will more than make up for his inexperience running an NBA team. The Kings are starving defensively at the guard position. Tyreke should be able to guard the 1, 2 and 3 in some situations.
by swooshrc on Aug 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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