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The Case for Lamar Odom?

Preposterous, I know. But, upon close inspection (by my standards), It actually seems like a pretty darn good idea for the Kings to make a run at signing free agent Lamar Odom. Here's the case against him: He'll turn 30 at the beginning of the season, he may or may not have a pathological addiction to candy, he has been accused of disappearing at times, the Kings aren't good enough yet to take a risk on a crowning piece like Odom. What follows is the argument in favor of his signing with the Kings.

 

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As is the case with any NBA deal, money is the primary issue. Specifically, how much would it take to get him and is he worth that amount? Reportedly, he was offered a 3 year contract worth $27M by the Lakers, which has since been pulled off the table. That same report says that Miami has also offered a 5 year, $35M contract. So, it seems safe to assume that he'll cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $7-9M, depending on how many years the winning bidder is willing to guarantee.

Obviously, the Kings don't have the benefit of being a title contender, a major market, or a tax haven on their side. However, we do have the rare advantage of cap space. This means that we are one of the few teams that can sign Odom for more than the MLE without possessing his Bird Rights. But the Lakers do have his Bird Rights, so they can match any offer we make. Why would he choose us over them? I'm sure he wouldn't, but it isn't a given that the Lakers would match. According to Shamsports, the Lakers are already approximately $7M over the luxury tax without Ron Artest's salary (which should be about $7M per). That means that every dollar that we're willing to guarantee over the Lakers' offer, they have to pay two dollars to match. Add to that the fact that he's not a starter for them and they've already taken 3yrs/$27M off the table and it seems very unlikely that they'd be willing to match - say - 4yrs/$33M. Yes, that's a year less than MIA's offer, but it's also nearly the same amount of guaranteed cash. Odom now has a ring, and he didn't really seem like the kind of player that would take a pay cut to play on a great team in the first place. I say, he follows the money and we've got it.

Here comes the hard part: Is he worth it? Some will say no, he's too old. But we know that even exceedingly talented young teams need veterans to become contenders. We salivate at Portland's promising young core, while they throw money at aging second-tier stars like Pacman Jones at the Minxx Gentlemen's Club & Lounge. A lot would have to go right for us to be in the position that the Blazers are in now, and their coach and front office agree that they desperately need quality vets to become legitimate contenders. Hedo is 8 months older than Odom and just got 5yrs/$53M from Toronto. His stock is high, but I don't think he's a better player than Odom. He scores more points, but does so less efficiently. He has good size and ballhandling for his position, but so does Lamar. He also plays no defense and isn't a good rebounder, which is what makes Odom special. Artest - who is six days younger than Odom - just got 5yrs/$35M, but I'm sure I don't have to explain what makes him a uniquely risky commitment. So the price is right.

Does he fit the team? He plays a position where we have an apparent logjam, but it's also the position of most need. Best case scenario, Donte or Casspi will become a SF like Odom, but neither of those two is at all proven and Odom already is Odom. He can also give us a much different look at PF than JT, Brockman, or May, which makes us more versatile. I understand that this rebuild has been too painful to throw away what small progress we've made on a short-term solution. Still, we've got to start winning games sooner rather than later, given our woeful attendance and Sacramento's tenuous grasp on the franchise. I'm suggesting we sign Odom through the 2012-13 season, by which time Martin will be 30 and his contract will expire. Shock, Hawes, and Evans will be 26, 25, and 23, respectively. If we're not contenders by that point, then this phase of the rebuild will have been a failure regardless of whether we signed Odom. So Odom isn't too old for this team unless one believes that his production will fall off quickly as he passes 30. Obviously LA and Miami (his two most recent employers) don't expect that to happen, given that they have both offered him long-term deals. I'm sure that you can think of plenty of players that are still highly effective in the first half of their thirties, including 9 of last year's 26 All-Stars. I haven't seen much diminishment of Odom's considerable athleticism. He'd have to really fall off of a cliff in the next few years to not be worth $8.25M  per season, in my opinion.

So there you have it: the case for Lamar Odom. It's almost certainly moot, since Petrie flat-out stated that the Kings wouldn't be major players in the market for free agents (please hold your Sean May jokes). But I think Geoff would be wise to reconsider that position in this case. Thanks for reading.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I'd just like to go off topic for a moment

to point out how appropriate it is that the titles of the eight most recent fanposts on this Kings blog have seven question marks among them.

by furious.d on Jul 24, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I would like to point out

That yours didn’t need one.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 24, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd for short, sweet and clever

as for Lamar Odom – he is a directionless player who has a well documented Brad Miller-like affection for the herb. With no authority to help him focus he will remain demotivated. I can’t think of a worse situation for him (and the team that employs him) than this current Sacramento Kings team.

Andres Nocioni may or may not be a role model. Lamar Odom — is a Derrick Coleman without the attitude but with the uncertainty of performance. Please no.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote no

Although I do appreciate the intelligence with which you presented your case. I just don’t see how Odom fits into the Kings’ long-term plans. Yes he makes them better right away, but still not playoff contenders, which merely serves to lower our draft position in the coming seasons. He also has something of an injury history, which is at least of moderate concern. In four of the last eight seasons he missed between 18 and 53 games per. And at age 30, guys tend to get less durable not more.

Odom would eat up big minutes that really need to go to the youngsters. Yes he adds talent, depth, and veteran experience, but the price tag seems way too high. The Kings need to be shedding long-term contracts, not adding them. I say we take our lumps and let the rebuild go forward using the Blazers as a role model.

One other point, when you say:

But the Lakers do have his Bird Rights, so they can match any offer we make.

Is that right? I thought Bird Rights mean that you can exceed your salary cap to pay the guy any amount up to the max. What you’re describing is restricted free agency, and Odom is unrestricted. At least, that’s my understanding.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jul 24, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he means that the Lakers can offer whatever the Kings can

But, umm, no thanks to LO anyway.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is what I mean

And I assume that LO would prefer to play for the Lakers if the money was the same. So effectively it would be like a restricted situation, even though he’s unrestricted.

by furious.d on Jul 24, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That won't happen furious

Sorry bro.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It’s not going to happen. It just struck me that the going rate for Odom is less than what his talent probably deserves. And I think that the Kings need to make this sort of move in the next year or two. They have to take a gamble on a vet eventually, but I recognize that most will think this is too soon (or maybe many just don’t like Odom as much as I do).

by furious.d on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I think 2011 is the first time to EVEN CONSIDER doing that. Unless another Vlade Divac comes around. But, the Kings of those years had many more older players than the Kings now have. The situations aren’t really that comparable.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beware

Veteran players who, due to age, are most likely in their last multi-year contract. They are less motivated to play for their next one…because there won’t be one.

I can’t imagine the Kings having $17 mil tied up between Noc and Odom at SF. I think this money might be better spent in a couple (or three) years when we are ready to spend the big bucks on getting past the first round of the playoffs

by CDinSD on Jul 24, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To add to that first paragraph

Vets in their last contract certainly can be motivated to play hard, but for contenders, not teams coming off of 17 wins.

by CDinSD on Jul 24, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely a concern

But I almost think that Odom’s biggest drawback is – in a weird way – a strength for our particular situation. That is, he’s not like Kobe, LeBron, KG, etc. in the respect that he is dead set on going out there and proving that he is the best by beating you. He just kind of does what he can with the minutes that he gets. That’s why he was such a success coming off the bench, and it’s why I think he might be a good fit for a team struggling to find its identity. He won’t change the culture of the franchise, but he will adapt with it.

by furious.d on Jul 24, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see small forward as being Odom's natural position

He did play that position at times for the Lakers, but he ended up being more effective as a back-up PF/C, with the smaller, quicker Ariza playing SF. There’s just no possible way Odom can guard guys like Lebron and Melo at the SF position. Hypothetically, Odom would either start at PF with JT coming off the bench, or vice-versa. I cannot see Shock, Hawes, and Odom all on the floor at the same time.

But anyway, ain’t gonna happen.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we need more potential stars

and less veteran help at this stage.

by mayfieldcol on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. If we have a roster spot for Jon Brockman, then we have a roster spot for Lamar Odom. If we have $8M for Kenny Thomas, then we have $8M for Lamar Odom. I don’t think that waiting is going to get us a superstar in free agency and having a reasonably priced quality vet like LO would only make us more able to trade for a star. I don’t think shooting for the highest draft pick until you get LeBron James is a viable way to build a team. We have a potential phenom, a proven elite scorer, and an up-and-coming front line with great size. It’s not too early to ask them to be contributors on a winning team. But they need help, and it’s very rare to get that from rookies.

by furious.d on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Kenny thomas wasn't on the roster

I’d agree. But, he’s on the roster.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A shorter-term, less-expensive veteran makes more sense, IMO

Somebody like Camby maybe. Also, the Kings want to leave budget available to pay their young guys when their respective paydays come. That’s another reason why Beno’s contract is so onerous, because it sucks up valuable future budget for nearly-untradeable mediocre talent when that money would be better spent on paying the young guys later.

Anyway, Odom is just too expensive, too long-term, too in need of big minutes, and too great an injury risk. And he’ll cost them draft position by making them just good enough to win a few more games but not good enough to put them in playoff contention. Dead horse anyone?

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jul 24, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Hakim Warrick for a 2 year minimum contract.

The Grizzlies rescinded his qualifying offer. He is athletic and rebounds well and can come off the bench.

by mayfieldcol on Jul 25, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like him too

Although I don’t think he can be had for 2yrs/min, I’d definitely like to see the Kings pursue him.

by furious.d on Jul 25, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and for the record

The kings would not to be able to offer Odom more than the mid level exception, because we are only about 5.5 mil under the cap. The only way the kings could pay more is through a sign and trade, and something tells me the lakers wouldn’t buy into that.

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Jul 25, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is true

I just did the math again, and you’re right. The only way that it would work is if we back-loaded his contract, which doesn’t really make sense for either party.

by furious.d on Jul 25, 2009 7:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't make any sense

to go after Odom now.
We have to take our time and wait. Next year there will be some nice sf in free agency that maybe in our reach…I’m thinking about Rudy Gay or Rudy Fernandez, but thinking better I’m sure I could think even of someone else.
More, Odom is one of the less consistent player in the NBA. He is a great layoff player but, hey, that is probably (98%) not one of our problems!

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

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by Panzerfaust on Jul 25, 2009 4:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a fair number of "Gay Boys" on this blog

You know, Rudi Gay fans.

Basketball Fiend calls him a ball hog, but I haven’t seen him play enough to confirm that.

Also Fernandez is really more of a shooting guard. At 6’6" and 185, no way can that guy guard most of the SFs in the league. Not that he’s great at guarding SGs either, but guard is really his natural position on both sides of the ball.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Jul 25, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy and Rudy

Gay gives you nothing but scoring, and is restricted in 2010. Fernandez is a guard and won’t be a free agent until 2012.

by furious.d on Jul 25, 2009 1:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

there is always this most famous of Rudy's

that is about as close to either Fernandez or Gay as I expect Sacramento to come.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 25, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No reason for us to have Odom

Other than watching a guy who is one of the most multi-talented players in the NBA. I love his game (yes, I know he floats a bit), but the guy is a pretty amazing player.

From an entertainment standpoint, I’d love for them to grab Odom. But I don’t see him as part of the finished product.

by otis29 on Jul 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Lamar...

Our aging and inconsistent combo-forward making ~ $7M for multiple years opening is already filled.

by unfair weather on Jul 25, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To tell you the truth

I think Geoff has learned his lesson, and I don’t think he’ll be signing any more mid or major free agents for a while. He’ll just be looking to sign his own guys to extensions and the occasional small trade, and then when we’re in the position again of just needing one or two role players to put us “over the top”, then he may be willing to put his neck out there again on a couple of signings.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 25, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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