Leon Powe vs. Ike Diogu
by Tom Ziller on Jul 3, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
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PrintQuite obviously, I'm in the tank for Leon Powe. I begged the Kings to draft him in 2006 with the No. 19 pick which went to Quincy Douby -- Powe ended up going to Boston with the 19th pick in the second round. Powe's story is heart-rending, and it gets even moreso every passing day. (He also happens to be a killer player.)
In Game 2 of Boston's opening round playoff series against Chicago, Powe tore his ACL. He finished the game on the injured leg, but then had to forfeit his season to get the ligament surgically repaired. This week, the Celtics decided to refuse to make a $997,000 qualifying offer to Powe because he won't likely be ready until December or February and the Celtics cannot afford to lock up a roster spot with an injured player when they're trying to get another championship. (It's perfectly fair. Heartbreaking, considering Powe's work ethic, character and talent. But fair. Boston can do whatever it wants.)
So Leon Powe is a free agent. The Kings will look to reportedly add one big man, with incumbent Ike Diogu as the early favorite. But would bringing in Powe turn out to be a better play for Sacramento?
Powe and Diogu, who battled in the Pac 10 for their Cal and Arizona State teams, are actually rather similar players: tough rebounders, good scorers, undersized defenders. Powe is the better rebounder, Diogu the more frequent scorer. Powe's defense has a better reputation at this point, though Diogu hasn't exactly had a supporting cast like Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins and Rajon Rondo. Diogu will turn 26 in September, Powe will turn 26 in January. Despite one less season in the league, Powe has played about 400 extra minutes.
Powe, despite his size (6'8), is a great rebounder. He rebounds roughly 15% of all offensive rebound opportunities -- if he played enough minutes to qualify, he'd be near the league lead in that category. He's also a strong defensive rebounder, better (by the numbers) than Jason Thompson and on par with Spencer Hawes.
Diogu, though, would also be the best rebounder not named Jon Brockman on a Kings team. Ike's offensive rebounding is better than that of Thompson (who found himself in the league top 20 much of the year) but not quite up to Powe's standard, and Ike's defensive rebounding is just OK. (Thompson, Hawes and one can assume Brockman would be better defensive rebounders. As Thompson and Hawes are not great defensive rebounders, this could be an issue.)
Diogu has always been a high-shot guy when getting into games. His career usage rate is at a mammoth 22% (!), and over his four years he has averaged more than 12 FGAs per 36 minutes -- one shot every three minutes. Powe has maintained a high usage as well, though -- 20% over three season, shooting 10 FGAs per game. This high usage rate for each player makes sense when you consider how strong they are on the offensive glass -- when you get an offensive rebound, you're usually in position to go back up with an open shot. (This also explains why strong offensive rebounders -- think Joel Przybilla -- are often efficient scorers.)
Both are average shotblockers (good for their size, but average for the position) who infrequently commit turnovers. Both draw fouls at an insane rate, though Diogu is a considerably better FT shooter.
The safe bet would be Diogu. He can play from Day 1. He has existed in Sacramento without issue for a while, and Bobby Jackson told KHTK he was the hardest worker in practice. He'll always have the Denver and Minnesota games. Powe might not be back until February. If he's the pick, and God forbid one of the starters gets injured early, you're screwed. But when he does return, he immediately becomes an incredibly third big, a key rebounder, defender and scorer in your frontcourt. And he's a helluva good dude who can help build the relationship between the team and community.
The Kings aren't in a "win now" mode. In all honestly, the Kings could sign both, Powe more as insurance (or Diogu as a placeholder) and still have room for one Summer League invite (Jerel McNeal, John Bryant). I think either would be a smart pick-up, though my heart pulls for Powe.
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Touche
But 6’9 > 6’8. I dunno why but I believe that Ike still has not reached his ceiling (whether he reaches it is a different story). Whereas, in Powe’s case, you’ll know what you’ll get from him day in and day out, but I believe he has reached his ceiling already
Seems like Ike still has upside left
He just hasn’t seen real minutes since his rookie year if averaging 15 minutes is actually real minutes. Plus you gotta feel for the guy who rode the bench on a bad team. I just don’t know if he can consistently repeat his performance at the end of the season.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Jul 3, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
he can’t. all you need to do is double team Ike and it will result in a TO over 50% of the time.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I am in the tank for Powe as well.
I also think we might be able to get him on the cheap.
Why not both?
Sign both to cheap deals and fill out the roster! Both would likely see the Kings as a team of ’opportunity over the next couple years to strut their stuff and hopefully earn a bigger payday in a year or two.
Remember Petrie said himself we need ‘AT LEAST one more big’.
I'm down
with the knee injury, I think it’s nice to get him on the cheap and hope the knee comes back full strength.
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I Like Ike
of the two. Similar players, will command similar interest. Diogu will be ready tomorrow, and by the time Powe is ready the Kings may already be computing ping-pong ball odds. The roster spot is for a key reserve, so you need a guy ready to play.
bad knee = bad idea
We need guys ready to play, able to play – no matter what the hoped for record is.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 4, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
2 ACL tears is the same amount spencer has had right?
I guess we should replace him now asap.
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Spencer Hawes had two ACL tears in H.S.
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Yah...
I think what lttg meant was signing a backup big that just had an ACL and won’t be available until late this year or early next year. Spencer is a 19 year old possible star center who has not had a problem with his knees since his freshman year. Why would the Kings get rid of him?
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See what Ike will ask for a contract
If it’s reasonable, in terms of money and length of contract, sign him, and then look at Powe if he can be had for a fair price.
Powe would be a risk, but if there’s no reason to think the injury will ruin his career beyond the short-term, why the hell not?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Both
Why not? Assuming they can both be had for around the same as they made last year, or were going to make this year (in Powe’s case).
I think we need Ike to shore up the roster — so he’s probably the lead horse. But, the prospect of getting a strong character guy and contributor like Powe (who’s been known to bang on the L***rs) is very attractive and is a 2-3 yr look-ahead move. So I’d say take a look at signing both…plus Brockman, as any 2nd rounder, is not a lock to make the team. That’s just straight up.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jul 3, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions
Sorry but..
I can’t get excited about signing damaged goods. Or a career under-achiever. Though when you are looking for value at the bottom of the big man scrap heap, these are types of choices you have. My guess someone from Summer League emerges and we offer a cheap-o deal.
I feel for Leon Powe, but reality is the knees can only take so much trauma, wear and tear, then it’s lights out. Especially a big guy, 250 pounds, that’s a lot of force and impact on the joints….ooowie.
Under-achiever?
Powe has consistently overcome the odds and succeeded beyong anyone’s expectations. Prior to the latest injury he was a solid contributor on a very good team. Pretty good for a guy who was taken late in the 2nd round.
If anything, Powe has shown that he consistently overachieves relative to what people expect.
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I think he was referring to Diogu
as the underachiever. Indicating his lack of excitement for either player.
Don't really care about picking up either
But, Powe’s history is scary to say the least. I’m not sure I want Diogu despite what B-Jax said. That doesn’t thrill me that that is the reasoning cited that Diogu COULD show something. That bothers me a lot.
I say no to Ike. But he can leave his cheerleader pix laying around if he likes.
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It's considered the Jerome James effect
He played well for a short stretch and hoped for an idiot to pay up.
If Diogu is on a minimum one year deal, count me in as interested.
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If he’s the pick, and God forbid one of the starters gets injured early, you’re screwed.
This is my main concern. If you’re after a back-up, reliability is huge, considering how thin our frontcourt is, especially at center. That said, this will probably be a multi-year deal, so I suppose there are concerns beyond this year.
I like Powe better as a player,
but I think that Diogu provides a better bridge for this (and maybe next) year. With Powe’s injury history, I don’t see him as a long term acquisition, so why make the investment at this time, especially considering that in this economy, every penny counts?
Powe is a helluva human being. And that’s part of the allure. If he were not, we would probably not be having this conversation. I hope that he has a full recovery – he deserves it. But Diogu is probably the better fit for the Kings in the here and the now.
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Lots of similarities with Powe and SAR
and it may not mean much, but I like Powe’s championship ring bearing status. It adds to the locker room and locker room guys are important on this club.
The famous quote from the very quotable Winston Churchill can be paraphrased to describe Like Diogu right now -
(He) It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; (the original “It” was Russia)
which Diogu will arrive next season should the Kings sign him? the first four seasons or the last two games or most likely, some intermediate of the two, but on which side of the scale will he be?
Powe is the safer choice as a player – you pretty much know what you are getting bad knees and all. Diogu – mirage or reality?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Powe v. Diogu
Powe has performed on the largest stage. Powe has also had the privilege of playing next to an NBA defensive great in Kevin Garnett, played under a defensive expert in Tom Thibideau and earned minutes on a championship team. If he can be had, knee injuries and all, on the cheap, the Kings should make a move.
Diogu has continuously moved from one young team to the next- Golden State, Indiana, Portland, Sacramento- each time wasting away on a bench in need of a low post scorer. This isn’t an end all indictment on Ike but he hasn’t been able to get consistent minutes on bad teams while Powe has on a championship caliber team. Ike certainly could claim to have more upside than Powe but that is because there isn’t much lower he can go.
I think both of these guys can play major minutes (Once Powe is healthy) but I see Powe as a guy who understands a role and who plays to his strengths where I see Diogu as a guy who hasn’t really got his big shot and will continuously try to show he belongs. I think both players can help this team and both should be signed but I see Powe being a little more difficult to land.
Leon Powe = Lawrence Funderburke
Ike Diogu = Tony Massenburg (type)
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My guess is Powe can be had for much cheaper than Diogu,
the thing with Powe is you need to sign him to a 3 year deal as his first year back will be coming off another ACL injury and then figure out his value over the final two years of the deal. If he can be had for a 3 year 5 million dollar deal considering his upside you have to give him that deal, the third year being a team option to protect against a career ender. I really love his game and feel like he can contribute on the NBA level. Many people forget how he carried the Celtics in a couple games during there finals run, the guy just gets buckets.
The risk versus reward on a two year guaranteed deal that pays out 3 mil is definitely worth it, I think everyone thinks that every pick we have including 2nd rounders is going to pan out and that’s not the case. Omri, while promising, was the 23rd pick in a relatively weak draft, odds are against him becoming an NBA starter or even bench player. We need to pick up some of these younger players on the cheap and have one of them pan out, count me in on Powe.
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You lost me at 'coming off another ACL injury'
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by lietothegirls on Jul 4, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Ike now
Powe later. I don’t like Powe’s injury history and have been wary about knee injuries since C-Webb.
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We need to trade for Fesenko already.
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Probably only a future second round pick.
I’m pretty sure Utah only picked up his option because they didn’t think Booz and Okur would come back. Now they have Boozer, Okur, Kirilenko, Millsap (maybe), Collins (still on team?) and Koufos in their frontcourt.
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Ike and Fesenko get my vote
Ike proved himself worthy of a chance to play on this team at the end of the season and we need a cheap big who can lean a little weight on the bigger centers in the league and clog the paint. The Kings have proved to be a franchise for second chances, Ike earned one. I’d hate to see the Kings be the rehab franchise.
Leon Pow(e)
As a C’s fan I can tell you I am quite mad at the C’s brass for not re-signing Powe. He is a relentless worker. He gives it his all on the court every time, and through his dedication outplays guys twice his talent. don’t know anything about Diogu, but from reading some of the posts here, I get the feeling he is an underachiever. Whoever picks up Powe, when he recovers, will be pleasantly surprised and he will be a garuanteed fan favorite.
by 420celticsFAN on Jul 3, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Like em both
I am thinking Powe will get signed by a team like Orlando that can afford to have him sit on the shelf for a few months. He would be a great fit next to D-Ho. L-Po could recover in time for the stretch. I would LOVE him to be in a Kings uni but like countless others have said, what happens if someone gets hurt?
by IDunkedOnceInHS on Jul 3, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
undersized power forwards with bad knees...
Ziller’s kryptonite?
I think at this point of the rebuild the Kings need to be focused on young players with upside. Because of his lack of size and his pretty horrific injury record I think Powe is basically who he’s going to be. Which is an overachieving hustle guy who can be a roleplayer on a good team. Put him on a bad team and I don’t know that he’s the difference between wins and losses.
I’m not particularly excited about Diogu either but at least he’s healthy.
I think Powe got the shaft from Ainge
after he got hurt Ainge publically said that they would “take care” of Leon Powe. Well I guess they took care of him, they screwed him. Powe was shocked and has said so. Ainge has said they’ll give Powe a look when he’s fully rehabbed. Having said that, and Powe is a character guy off and on the court who at full strengh I’d love to have on the team, I don’t think it’s worth the risk (small).
I like Ike and hope we resign him. He can do some things that JT can’t (and to be fair, vice versa) and I would rather give him a small contract, $1.5 mil over 3 years, last year team option than take a risk on Powe. We won’t know until Ike gets back on the floor but I don’t think the last 2 games were a fluke. He has had a couple of freak injuries and been on teams that had coaching changes and I don’t think he has ever had a consistent chance to show what he can do. Ike represents a small risk,good upside risk that I hope the Kings take.
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I sign both Diogu and Powe and trade for Fessenko.
Give both guys two years 3 mill with the second year being a team option. Between all three that eats up a pathetic 3.7 million this season and anywhere from 0 to 4.0 mill next year for young, strong front court depth. If Powe heals faster then expected, Diogu or Powe can be dealt with Kenny Thomas at the deadline or they might form a very nice tandem punch off the bench. Brockman should be looked at as nothing more than a summer league player (Singletary/Ewing Jr) until he proves other wise.
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i say
Go with IKE, he was with the team last year and he can start playing tomorrow!
Kings Need
The Kings need a backup to play starting in October. Powe is a good back-up but so is Diogu. I don’t see why you would throw out a guy who has proven he can play with the some of the core (Thompson, Greene, Nocioni, Udrih) players and put up numbers. Also why go for a player coming off a serious injury? it’s too risky.
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Has Diogu proven he is a "good back-up"?
Powe has for a championship team- Diogu has proven he is a 12-13 man on a bad team but not a “good back-up”. I’m not saying he won’t be a good back-up but he hasn’t proven anything yet (4 teams, 4 seasons) which is why he can be had for very little. Powe is going to play for peanuts because he has a bad knee.
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Diogu = Good back-up
To me, the definition of a good back-up is a player that puts up numbers when he is given minutes.
Check out his rookie year stats
Sort his games by minutes. He played 20 minutes a game or more in 21 games during his ROOKIE season. In only THREE of those games did he NOT put up double digits ni points. He also averaged over 10 boards per 40 minutes during those games.
Ike Diogu is a proven back-up. When he has had the minutes, he has produced. The difference between Powe and Diogu is that Ike is a scorer first. He posts up his man and goes to work to get his points while Powe is more of a scrapper, playing off his teammates. Powe may work alongside Garnett, Pierce and Allen much better than Diogu would but on the Kings, Diogu is more valuable in my opinion because he can come in a be a go-to scorer off the bench. The Kings don’t have three all-stars last time I checked.
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Small sample.
There is a difference between being a fringe NBA talent and being a “good back-up”. The stats represent a very small sample size and don’t take into consideration game situation. I don’t know if Diogu can be a back-up that you can count on for 15-20 minutes a game for the next few years but I would be willing to give him a shot to prove it. My point is that he is still very much an unknown regardless of what his per 36 might tell you. Good back ups are guys that earn 6,7,8 man minutes off the bench in my book, not a guy who gets 50+ DNP-CD in consecutive seasons.
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Yes
What makes a proven back-up? Does a player have to play 20+ minutes a game to be called a PROVEN back-up? What do you want Ike to do? He has played on teams where the starter for that teams does exactly what he does OR he was on a team that didn’t need a post-up player. Ike is averaging 19.7 pts and 10 boards per game/40 minutes for his career and averaged 25.9 pts and 11 rebounds for the Kings last year. What more do you want in a backup? Just because a team isn’t giving him 20+ minutes a night doesn’t mean he is not a “good back-up”. So yes, Diogu is a proven back-up in my opinion.
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Now you are mixing your words up.
Powe is a good back-up but so is Diogu.
Your original post said good back-up. I responded with a question-
Has Diogu proven he is a “good back-up”?
This has gone back and forth but you have now replaced “good” with “proven” which are very different words. They are also not interchangeable. Again, I don’t dislike Ike, but a guy who amasses 100+ DNP-CD’s over a 2 year period is neither proven or good…yet. I hope Ike can prove that he is not only an NBA talent ready to take on a high end of the rotation minutes but also prove to the Kings that he is good. Good is subjective but again IMO to be good you have to become an indispensable part of an NBA franchise, not a guy who moves every year, plays limited minutes or not at all.
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To each his own
I won’t argue with your definition of “proven”. It’s subjective. I agree that Ike isn’t a “proven” back-up as far as games played each year, coming in and being an integral part of a team. No, he is not “proven” in that sense. I DO think however, that he has “proven” that when he gets minutes (20 or more a game) that he produces and makes a positive impact on the floor. That can’t be denied. Powe and Diogu are both very interesting back-up bigs and I would love to have either one on the Kings roster this upcoming season. I just hope the Kings can get one of them.
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dalt99, I get what you're saying.
Statistically, even though he only averaged 14 minutes a game Ike improved in key stat categories. I think having Ike is better than having no Ike at all. I think Ike is and will be a good backup to our young bigs. I don’t think anyone who isn’t ‘good/proven’ can score double-doubles in an NBA game, even if they’re meaningless.
My vote is for Ike
I say keep Ike, and sign Powe if there is any money left over to spend. I know the last two games of the season (along with many games before that) were rather meaningless, but Ike definately made the best of the opportunity given to him. Those were two pretty big games he put up (30pts and 12reb while shooting 65%), so I’d like to think that Ike has some serious upside. Hes only getting 14minutes a game, if he were to get 35min a game it could translate to 23pts and 10reb. Powe is the better defender and adds more steals and blocked shots per minute played but his stat line per 35minutes played would be around 15 pts 10rebs and around 1 block and steal per game. So whos 35minute stat line you like more Ike 23pts 10reb .5 steals .2 blocks on 60% shooting or Powe around 15pts 10rebounds and close to 1 block and 1 steal on 52% shooting. I’d like to think Ike was picked 9th overall for a reason, he has some talent…. keep him around.
Ike and Powe
statlines were based on just last season, and Ike’s was just based on the 10 games… For their respective careers if given 35-36 minutes per game it would look more like this Ike 18.3/9.3/.6steal/.9blocks on 50% shooting and Powe 15.4/9.8/.7steal/1block on 52%shooting…. both pretty similar. I still vote for Ike cause he doesnt have bad knees and I think there’s more upside… that is all. (My math isn’t stellar, stats may be off a few tenths here or there)
Is there any possibility of
picking up Powe once he’s ready to play? I find it hard to believe that anybody’s going to snap him up in the offseason, knowing that he’ll take months to recover and may not be as effective as he previously was. I was in the same boat regarding Powe in that draft. He was an absolute monster at Cal. But, sadly, it would be hard for me to advocate for the Kings making a substantial investment in his future, given everything that has happened since his time in Berkeley.
Boston told him they’d take a look once he got healthy, but not before.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
must be a slow news day
when all these comments are about ike
Powe is a good young player
who knows what Diagu would do after he got paid? The Kings could use another big to rotate in with our young bigs. Diogu might be that player, but Powe has proven he can play in the NBA consistently. Powe brings toughness, rebounding, and can score a little. You can’t judge Diogu on 2 or 3 meaningless games at the end of the season. If he was a serviceable player, he wouldnt have bounced around so much. Diogu is a crap shoot. Powe is a player, maybe not as flashy and doesn’t have much upside, but he has proven he can play.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
I would substitute a few comments there FaSt
You can’t judge Diogu on 2 or 3 meaningless games at the end of the season. If he was a serviceable player, he wouldnt have bounced around so much
because picking apart a comment is what we do on post replies.
Of course, Diogu has showed enough of glimmer of hope in just two games to be of interest. You HAVE to judege him, somewhat, on those 2 meaningless games because the Kings need help, there are only so many choices and all of them are flawed.
Of the current choices:
Like Diogu – 2 impressive games, four seasons of revolving disappointment. Unknown price.
Leon Powe – solid back up, perfect for what the Kings are looking for – but can’t play until Dec and has persistently injured knees Unknown price.
Krylyo Fesenko – is signed on with the Utah Jazz for next season, currently not available (or price undetermined/too high)
John Bryant – undrafted out of Santa Clara. Tall, slow, gravity challenged but on Summer League team, so, wait and see.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
because good NBA players don't get bounced a lot
Oh wait! Chauncey got bounced a lot before he went to Detroit and Nash was horrible during his first few years. Yeah, I know, they’re all point guards. What about Webber? Sometimes the fit and the system matters too
agreed but I will stick this statement
there are only so many choices and all of them are flawed.
and you are promoting the exception, not the rule.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
call them in for a work out like the pointguardpalooza
Brilliant!
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by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Diogu would win this by default since Powe won’t be ready to play for awhile.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not
if we shot in the leg Ike to make this thing fair
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Go Kings!
What about bringing back....
Mikki Moore. Now a FA and has already experienced life in Sacramento
I'd rather sign someone with some potential
We already know that Mikki Moore can’t play NBA basketball at a high level.
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true, but....
If we somehow manage to get someone who can play at a high level, then they will impede the growth of Hawes and JT by taking up a majority of the minutes. That takes the building out of rebuilding. MM will get us 6pts and 5 reb in the 15-20 minutes backing up Hawes.
Also, he will also help K$ with the “leadership” of this young team being the grizzlied ol’ veteran that can’t be measured. I think this is important because I am a little bit concerned with what this team’s chemistry is going to be with a new coach and 2 new PGs.
OMG. if he starts just one game
this board will be so full of “Natt” that Westphal might go back to Pepperdine.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 5, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Negative
Get any warm body rather than Mikki Moore. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.
Let’s understand something here…Mikki Moore is an awful, terrible, putrid basketball player (relatively speaking). And leadership only counts if you aren’t waving a towel from the bench and actually contributing something on the floor.
This is ridiculous, we’ve seen the Mikki Moore act – JT and Spencer have already been exposed to it. How about we actually play someone with some skill that might rub off on them? Or push them for minutes? That’s how these guys are going to get better, not getting advice on how NOT to rebound from Mikki Moore.
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Shareef Abdur Rahim on the workout videos
was better than Mikki Moore playing.
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Can't go wrong with either
Powe was consistently one of my favorite players to watch in the 2008 playoffs (when the Celtics won the title). But Ike is a guy who will work hard and we won’t have to wait on him.
Ike is a less of a gamble, so I’m leaning toward Ike at the moment. But I wouldn’t be disappointed with either guy.
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