Can we trade with Utah already please?
And no I'm not talking about Carlos Boozer, I'm talking about this guy:
Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah's third string Center from the Ukraine.
Fesenko was set to be a free agent this summer if Utah hadn't picked up his option, but they did, for $870,000. Now though, Utah is in a bit of a pickle with Korver, Okur and Boozer all staying in their contracts. Utah also has another nice young center prospect that they picked up in the draft last year in Kosta Koufos. So wouldn't it just be better for the Jazz if we sent them a future 2nd rounder to take him off Utah's hands? It also happens to take his 870,000 off the cap, which should help alleviate at least a little of the pain of Booz opting-in.
So why should we pick up Fesenko? The guy is huge - 7'1 and 290 lbs. He's also young at only 22 years old. DraftExpress sees his best case scenario as Andris Biedrins, and I think that's a fair assesment. Fesenko is an excellent rebounder and shotblocker, averaging almost 1 block a game for the measly 7 minutes he averaged in 21 games. Per 40 minutes, he averages almost 3.7 blocks and 14 rebounds. His field goal shooting is also above 50% because most, if not all, of his shots involve him close to the rim or on put backs. He's not meant to be an offensive threat. But on defense and for rebounding, he can help you.
In the times when he did get some playing time, he performed well, including his career night against Houston and some guy named Yao Ming: 12 points on 6/8 shooting, 11 boards, and 3 blocks in 34 minutes. Thats not bad for a 21 year old going against one of the best centers in the league. That's the thing about him. For a relatively cheap price ( I really don't think Utah will ask for more than a future 2nd rounder. They really need money off the cap right now) you get a big, real center to back up Spence.
So why would the Kings be interested? Well for one he fills one of their biggest needs with his rebounding and defense. Coach Westphal has expressed that teams need someone to do those things if they want to win, and thats our goal. Fes is also young, and also cheap. We can pick him up for a one-year trial and have the option to sign him for longer if we think he's working out for us. And he fits with the "toughness" theme that the Kings unveiled during the draft. And it should be mentioned that Fesenko's first agent was current Assistant GM of the Kings, Jason Levien.
Personally, I think that getting Fesenko would be a better pickup than any of the available free agents. We need a tough BIG, and thats a key word. Fesenko is BIG. Nobody else available in Free Agency really is. Gortat was, but he's going to Dallas for way more than he's worth. Powe wouldn't be able to help us until February. Diogu is an anomaly to me. I wouldn't miss him at all if those last two games of the season didn't give me pause. So to me, Fesenko is the best solution. If things don't work out, fine, we tried him out for a year, didn't work. We might go another route and pick up a guy like John Bryant, who could end up providing the same things for even cheaper than Fes. But Bryant hasn't had a couple years of seasoning.
Young. Cheap. Potential. Tough. All things the Kings are interested in. I say we need to give this a try.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I think he would be a solid pick up
eapecially for the price…the only thing I wonder about is what’s the NBA record for white guys in the modern era (1980 and beyiond) ?
by ElRonToro on Jul 3, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Haven't most been on the Kings?
Lol.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all your points
And on top of everything you mentioned, he has some hilarious interviews.
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by Shizzo on Jul 3, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna berate you for bringing this up
But, clearly you’re smarter than I.
On the other hand, I’m interested to see what happens here. Fasenko seems a good bet here.
I wonder if the Kings could pull off a Noc/K9 trade for AK47 and Fasenko. I’m not sure I’d want to do that, but then again, I’m also not sure it may matter.
Anyway, the other good part is that Fasenko would also be able to be locked up cheaply for next season as well (or maybe that’s just the qualifying offer).
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha you thought I was gonna bring up Boozer eh?
Looks like the 1,000,000 for next year is an Early Termination Option. I don’t exactly know what that means.
As for Noc/K9 for Ak47 and Fesenko, that’s an interesting trade. Definitely improves our talent. Kills our cap but we weren’t doing anything with it anyway.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a qualifying offer for next season
So, in fact, he’ll be a restricted FA if the Kings give him a QO.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On 6/12/09 Jazz exercised team option on Kyrylo Fesenko for 2009-10
They exercised a team option for $870K. That’s not the same as making a qualifying offer. He’s officially signed for 09/10.
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by HighTops on Jul 3, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would absolutely love that trade
It rids us of Nocioni’s contract and eventually Kirelenko could be an excellent 6th man off the bench. however, he’d be yet another 3/4 tweener and I’m not sure this team needs another one at this point.
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by submison on Jul 3, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm wary of AK47 myself
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
he’d be yet another 3/4 tweener and I’m not sure this team needs another one at this point.
It’s not like the Kings would be adding another tweener because AK would be replacing Noc.
I’d have to think about this, but I think I might be for a deal like this. As it was mentioned, this kills any 10/11 cap space ($17.8M vs $6.65M), but it gives the team a huge EC next year and could potentially open up a lot of cap space in 11/12, when the team would have a much better idea of how to spend it.
by smgmatt on Jul 4, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kirilenko is much more talented the Nocioni
And Kirilenko’s talent requires more playing time.. Also I view Kirilenko as a pure 3/4 player, while Nocioni is much better suited at the 3. Kirilenko would take playing time away from Casspi and Greene, whereas Nocioni would not require as much playing time.
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by submison on Jul 4, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
If AK is “a pure 3/4 player” and Noc “is much better suited at the 3” then wouldn’t AK playing at the 4 when JT is out open up more time at the 3 for Casspi/Greene?
I don’t know who “requires” what kind of playing time, but if given the choice of a 3 who is better suited to also play the 4, that seems like it would open up more possibilities for various lineup configurations.
Again, I’m not sure I’m completely on board with this idea or not, but I don’t think that your argument has done anything to dissuade me.
Then again, I wasn’t really buying the “Boozer will take too much time away from JT/Hawes” argument either, so maybe it’s just me.
by smgmatt on Jul 4, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK is way better then NOC
he has way better defense and he can handle the ball… he would be a great 3 on the kings
by silverguy on Jul 4, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirilenko ought to be better
He’s making $20 million more than Nocioni over the next two years.
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by section214 on Jul 4, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my problem with it
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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I never said he wasn’t better . . . I don’t know where I even gave that impression.
In fact, I thought I was giving an argument for AK as a player.
The con in the deal would be his annual salary, not his ability.
by smgmatt on Jul 4, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I wasn’t accusing you of anything.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s a ridiculous debate to begin with.
If AK is "a pure 3/4 player" and Noc "is much better suited at the 3" then wouldn’t AK playing at the 4 when JT is out open up more time at the 3 for Casspi/Greene?
IMHO, this is ridiculous. AK’s ability to spell Thompson, doesn’t free up minutes for the small forward youths; skills and abilities give you playing time in general. If Westphal sees that progression in them he can take the short term hit for long term gain. But in Noc vs AK47 discussion, there is no debate. AK gives would give the team abilities that Noc can never. And the best players will make it out on the floor, especially for a coach that will be in Westphal’s position.
Regarding the utilization of talent, Noc is much easier, as submission has stated. AK is a K9 of sorts, where his production exponentially correlates with his minutes (to be dramatic).
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by CAB on Jul 5, 2009 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything involving AK = NO
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by sroufe on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you’re right. I shouldn’t make such a big generalization. I just don’t like Kirilenko’s game of late or his contract. As for this scenario (Beno + Noc), obviously Utah doesn’t take on another PG when they already have Williams, Price and Maynor. Especially with Udrih’s contract. As for Kirilenko, like submison said, he’d be a fine 6th man…but not for $17 million. I understand that his contract expires two seasons earlier than Nocioni – but if Petrie is trying to save money for next summer and not 2011, then Kirilenko, of course, doesn’t make sense.
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by sroufe on Jul 4, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'd be fine with Kirilenko on this team
I think Petrie has realized that his team can’t compete with the cap room other teams have, and because everyone is signing players in 2010. 2011 free agency and later will have less competition, and that’s where trading for Kirilenko really helps, as he would provide more cap room when it would make sense to add a veteran to the team.
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by submison on Jul 4, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the Kings are cash poor now
cap room isn’t a competition, it is a necessity
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
This guy is basically sitting at the end of the Utah bench. Meanwhile, John Brockman fits Utah perfectly. Young, hard working, less expensive than Fesenko. It will be interesting to see if anything transpires after summer league.
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by section214 on Jul 3, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brockman is the white version of Paul Millsap
Meaning he’s way less athletic.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Also, I don’t suppose Brockman has a 7’1" wingspan like Millsap…
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by Mucho Moss on Jul 4, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman might fit the Kings as well.
I would give up a very future #2 for Fessenko and I would get him to Las Vegas asap. This deal makes too much sense for everyone involved and I agree with you Aykis- get this shit done now.
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade the year after nexts 2nd rounder
We should be a playoff team that year I think.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I truly wish we had a way of sharing these ideas with Petrie
Agree with everyone; this makes too much sense.
by eduardo_m7 on Jul 3, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya they should start a "Suggestion Box"
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've already thought of this
I can guarantee it.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course,
GP didn’t even need Levien to draft a memo. They know all about Fesenko. If they don’t go after him it’s because they think there are better options.
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by sroufe on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better options than reading StR?
How is that possible?
Further, I am convinced that all of the other GMs in the league (worth their salt) read StR as well. So they all know about “the Ukraine Train (II)” Fesenko. Given the option, perhaps Utah would prefer not to trade this degree of potential (or that of Koufas) within the Western Conference.
John Bryant was not drafted for a reason. or many reasons. He is a bigger, slower, less energetic version of Boo-yah (don’t call me Nose Job) Brockman. My best bet is that Bryant is either NBDL or Europe bound, or maybe just will remain extremely Earth bound.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I love this blog
Posters who are way smarter than me.
Utah is sitting there to be raided. Do they save any money dumping this guy or do they have pay a guy from the street close to his salary to fill the roster spot if traded? Maybe we can buy him for cash? Camby was acquired for nothing last year.
by bignerd on Jul 3, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great common sense post
Can’t find anything at all to disagree with. Get it done GP.
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by SavageBeast on Jul 3, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just cuz you're from Utah
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
FROM California. Living in Utah.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT the same thing
"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ
by sroufe on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's okay
Take your time to settle this through your noggin. You’ll figure it out. :)
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Native Utahns and Native Californians are completely different.
For instance, I, being from California, prefer my jello to be red.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope that you're supremely bored
And that’s why you keep responding to what you know, full well at that, is my complete and totally pointless bullshit.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I just like joking around with my friends.
Ever think of that?
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I’m not an editor.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a hand cart immagrant?
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*immigrant*
"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good knowledge jjham, LOL
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by sroufe on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Degree in History-
Davis professors love the History of the West.
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Minivan.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same difference- minivan = the modern handcart
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by jjham15 on Jul 3, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the
Engine. Seats. Air conditioning. Video system. Cup holders. And the whole approaching-Utah-from-the-opposite-direction thing.
How they crossed the prairie without cup holders is beyond me.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you Michael Landon on you
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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
- 1st you
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know he’s dead, right?
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 4, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the flesh yes
But in the hearts & minds; NEVER!
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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
back then
they drank from straight the bottle and they did in fact have bottle holders, they were called hands.
by passionforPERPS on Jul 4, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
must not have gone through the Donner Pass
“can I give you a hand” had a whole other meaning.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they were called udders.
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by jjham15 on Jul 4, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really expect Utah to let this guy go?
I am looking at it from Utah’s point of view. Why let this guy go if Utah has the possibility of loosing Boozer, Milsap and Okur to FA in the next 2 years? It would take a lot more than a future second round pick or some bad contracts like Beno’s for me to risk my team having no 4/5s in the next couple of years.
Also, now his contract expires in 2010 when all the free agents are available. That means more flexibility to resign Boozer or Okur or get some other FAs.
We aint getting this guy from Utah without overpaying for him. PERIOD!
by Fredman on Jul 4, 2009 6:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fessenko is their #3 center...
and we have all omitted the fact that he is a handful personality wise. Fesenko is not in Utah’s short term or long term plan. His contract was exercised as insurance in case Okur and Boozer opted out and Milsap left via FA.
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by jjham15 on Jul 4, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly JJ
With Booz and Memo opting in, I’m sure the Jazz wouldn’t overcharge. Especially not with the promise Koufos holds (Memo 2.0)
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by Aykis16 on Jul 4, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is their #2 center then?
Because Jarron Collins who was last years back up center is an unrestricted FA this summer. So Fessenko is probably moving into the back up 5 role. And maybe even the back up 4 role if Milsap leaves which is pretty much in the books because Utah is already over the salary cap with Okur and Booker staying.
by Fredman on Jul 4, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great...The European version of Greg Ostertaag
by Fredman on Jul 4, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You talking bout Fesenko or Koufos
Fesenko is much quicker than Ostertag. And Koufos is more like Mehmet Okur than anyone else. Sort of reminds me of Spencer Hawes actually.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 4, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it Fessenko
who helped AK-47 and a few other russians under Blatt who upset the Spanish Team for Euro Cup a couple years ago? Or do I have the wrong russian =P
by DowJones on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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