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Patience is key

So I've been reading all the posts since the draft and all I see is people making up trades that would be beneficial (Fassenko) or on the other hand offseason moves that shouldn't and will not happen (Hedo, Marion, Kobe, MJ, Wilt).  It seems that people aren't happy with our current roster, and after last season I can understand why. But it seems to me that a lot of people are impatient with the development process. I understand we all want to win now. We all want to go back to when you needed earplugs at ARCO. When there were more Kings fans than Lakers fans, at OUR HOME GAME. But Kevin Martin is only going to be in his sixth year. Donte and Shock just got off their rookie season. Hawes is going into his 3rd year but he's still about 2 years younger Shock.  We have a bunch of players who don't have a basketball identity. Meaning we have talent but haven't found a way to use the talent we have to put it together. And the reason for that is because we've had three coaches who we all knew were underperforming. Hopefully, Westphal can give these youngsters a basketball identity.  Because once we have that, we can use free agency as a band aid to patch the team together as a contender.

We made our investments we just have to wait and watch the players grow. Look at all the best teams in the league. They drafted their talent. Kobe in LA, Howard in ORL, Wade, Lebron, Duncan, Paul, D Williams. Many people consider the Thunder to being the closest ones to be out of the bottom cellar and into the middle of the road/playoff contention. They drafted all their weapons (Durant, Westbrook and Jeff Green even though he was via trade on draft day). The only real exception to this rule is the Celtics. That's why everyone hates the Celtics and that's why there's a special place in hell for Danny Ainge. Look at our team when we were in contention. To make the Webber trade work, we drafted Peja, Turkoglu, Williams (then traded him for Bibby). We had a deep bench and if anything, we're making a really good bench now.  With the Lakers, the Shaq trade then and the more recent Pau trade was all the glue that sealed their team as a contender.

All I'm saying is we have to be patient and let our guys develop. We're a young team like the Blazers were. And after a few years they became a legit playoff team. Look at Kevin Martin. He's a great scorer but his game is not quite there yet. Also, he has to be the leader of the team and after watching the Kings play the Heat, it's obvious he has potential to be our cornerstone and leader but he's not the dominating player he can be yet.  Honestly, we're not close to being there yet but look at it this way.  Our team will take 2-4 years to develop together. And in that time, imagine the teams that will be passed their prime and we can take their spot on top of the western conference.


Last thing--I know there's a lot of people who wished we picked Rubio and not Tyreke. I WAS one of them but we have to support the team now. As much as I wish we could of had Rubio, screw it. He's part of the T'wolves and Tyreke is our player now.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Solid post for a newbie

I agree with most of your points (except misspelling Fesenko – get it right, he’s gonna be on the Kings soon :P )

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 5, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

See everyone

It’s ok to hang around here, read the comments, take your time, and THEN write a fanpost. Much better than writing a one paragraph fanpost, that could’ve just been a comment, on your first day. Thanks for that Sac Strong.

Now, onto your ideas. I actually disagree with a couple things. I don’t think that anyone here thinks we can win now, no matter the move we make. I think we are all pretty realistic in terms of the rebuilding process. Some just want to speed up the process; they don’ necessarily think we are going to be ready to contend if we trade for Boozer or if we had signed Hedo. Patience is indeed the name of the game for this team and most of us realize that.

Also about Rubio, it was more the dissapointment of not getting him when he was there for the taking. I’m sure most people here are now behind Evans 99-100%. It was never against Evans, it was just that most of us wanted Rubio REALLY bad (I was one of them too).

I like the idea of “we made our investment, now we just have to wait and let the players grow.” I think sometime we understimate the coaching situation for the past two years. Musselman was a waste; I actually like Theus but he never implemented any kind of system, and let’s not even start with Turtle Natt. For all we know, our young players may have underachieve because of the lack of a system, that’s why I can’t wait to see the progress they can make this year under a real coach.

Interesting what you say about Martin as its true he’s still relatively young and he hasn’t hit his peak yet. I’m guessing that will come in the next couple years. He’s older in age (compared to other young players) but he doesn’t have that much NBA mileage and he’s still learning. Add him to the list of players that will benefit from having a system with coach Westphal.

Can’t wait for summer league and the season to start.

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 5, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I want game threads for the Summer League games. We’re going undereated baby!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 5, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'll be up

They were last year. What do you think will happent his time around?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't here last year

So I wouldn’t know. I just want to start yelling “Jewmanji!”

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

Getting Fesenko would actually be part of the building process. We need a backup big and he would be cheap and with potential. I wouldn’t consider that an impatient move at all

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 5, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

" See everyone

It’s ok to hang around here, read the comments, take your time, and THEN write a fanpost. Much better than writing a one paragraph fanpost, that could’ve just been a comment, on your first day. Thanks for that Sac Strong."

I prefer just starting off posting in other people’s threads. No one even seemed to notice I joined; they just treated me like I’d been here forever.

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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed

I just didn’t bother because you acted like you understood.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or that

It was just a point to all of those new posters that just come in and waste our time and space with their one paragraph fanposts.

You, GW, and Sac Strong are good examples of how this blog works when it comes to new people. A lot of older contributors appreciate that.

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 5, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with all due respect to ed

He’s somewhere between the older posters (leaning towards older now) and the newer posters.

However, I can definitely say 3 things about this particular post.

  • It’s far better than a paragraph fanpost we see occasionally during busier moments
  • it could have been written better
  • And one reason I appreciate it is because Strong didn’t post a fanpost immediately after joining

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you Pookey

I’ve only been around StR for about a year so I’m still relatively new compared to many others that have been around for years and that I have a lot of respect for. I think that’s also why I want to make a point to these new people (that just joined this month, or last month)

I was there once, not too long ago, and it wasn’t that hard to understand how everything worked around here so I don’t understand how these new people just don’t get it. I hung out around here for a bit, read a lot, and kinda got to know the different posters by their different opinions. It was a matter of respect and I like to think I did a good job at integrating myself to this community.

These new people coming in, posting crap, thinking they are entitled to start stupid arguments and throw their way around here really annoys the hell out of me and can’t imagine how much it also annoys others. If you criticize them for not following the rules, they think you are attacking their points and start antagonizing everyone. It’s ridiculous and is truly a waste of time. Hell, at least trolls come in here to annoy people on purpose.

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

These new people coming in, posting crap, thinking they are entitled to start stupid arguments and throw their way around here really annoys the hell out of me and can’t imagine how much it also annoys others. If you criticize them for not following the rules, they think you are attacking their points and start antagonizing everyone. It’s ridiculous and is truly a waste of time. Hell, at least trolls come in here to annoy people on purpose.

The problem here ed, as you’re well aware, there isn’t visible rules here. The community enforces a subtle set of “unwritten” rules because we all recognize that having “written” rules makes this place worse for all of us.

For all you new people (who aren’t doing it right), if you want to continue this tact of starting bullshit conversation for the hell of it, then please continue. Because one of the things I look forward to is the day when TZ, 214 & G start enforcing rules because people have forced their hand.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Well I’m glad I went about things the right way. I just wanna follow the “rules”. Thanks for all the encouragement guys. Anyway, I also wanted to put my thoughts out there because it seems to me we have a good team but they aren’t great yet. I’ve been watching the kings go on this roller coaster ride and I know if we were once a great team we can get back there. We just need two things in place to remain constant no matter who the players are: an effective front office, which we have for the most part. The other is a head coach. Can’t build anything without a solid foundation as any Warrior fan will tell you. But unlike them, our front office wants to eventually win championships.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Jul 5, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEll

There aren’t many rules, but there are definitely ways to go about things effectively, or not.

Fanposts are great because you put extended thoughts out there. You don’t have to write 8000 words, but a long extended well thought out piece is what’s expected.

Fanshots are great because you can post a newspaper clipping, youtube vid, or anything like that there.

Comments carry as much weight here as anything else does IMHO. That’s one of the best things about StR actually. The versatility and diverse lot of the group here comes up with great conversations. They aren’t always nice, but they hit every side of the conversation.

So, in short, I appreciate that you took the time to take some of that in. (Nobody knows all of that until they’ve been here awhle.)

Now onto the basketball points. I agree about Westphal being a steady rock, and when I get something into my craw I have to right about that myself. As far as players go, they will always change some. That’s just the modern nature of this NBA.

Oh, Sac Str, the longer you stick around, the more it becomes addicting. Again, thanks for showing so well so early. It is appreciated.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course we have been known to put up some big o big o posts huh Pookey?

Good feedback to the newbies…it is nice that the usual suspects are back at it. Ed, Aykis (even though he never did read my Don’t worry be Happy lyrics), Ex G, BTE, LPA to name a few beyond the founders all seem to provide a good baseline ala Jim Rome.

Have a take and don’t suck!

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

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by SactownheartOChouse on Jul 6, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the other part of it is that our roster doesn't make alot of sense right now.

We have 4 small forwards (Nocioni, Garcia, Greene, Casspi) and 1 center. Nocioni and Udrih are also overpaid for what they provide to us, so it makes sense that people want to move them. Further, if you move Nocioni, you open up time for the youngsters. This all points to moving Nocioni. I don’t have a problem with the guy, and I think there are teams out there who want him for the price, he just doesn’t make much sense on this roster.

As to who you would send him to: The Kings are under the cap at the moment, which means that if the Maloofs were interested, he could be a part of a deal where we take on salary. This could be done quickly for teams who are looking to sign a player this off-season (like Utah) or you could wait as teams get desperate to make a move before the upcoming season’s trade deadline. Either way, you would expect some sort of compensation, either in form of a superior player (either a promising prospect packaged with a bad contract, or a someone being paid more) or draft picks. It’s also possible that there are teams looking to contend (like Cleveland) that could use an upgrade in talent. They could offer us some expiring deals or draft picks. In short, I’m going to have to disagree with you and say that a trade could really help this team. By no means would it have to be Nocioni, but I think trades are possible that could take very little away from our team and improve it substantially either now or in the future.

by Deleran on Jul 5, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Patience is the key

Do we really have a choice??

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 5, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No

But Gavin still has his enthusiasm, GP has been allowed to steer the ship for a couple months now, not many overpaid veterans and MLE signings, lots of young players, under the cap, payroll around the profit/loss line, since we hired his coach Barkley won’t bother to comment on us, we are just one Aileen firing away from being in a Prozac state.

by bignerd on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points...

I saw the Blazers play the Kings @ the Rose garden 3 short years ago. The blazer’s didn’t stand a chance. And the Kings weren’t spectacular, but a whole lot better. The blazers, from the suckitude of 3 years ago, made the playoffs this year. Might have last year if there wasnt such an unusual logjam of similar records near the top. So, it may be sooner than we think, the blazers were really good this year, even w/ a young team and a high draft pick (Oden) who was injured a good part of the time.

by avishai on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers have some important differences

High draft picks x a few years and money to spare.

The points about waiting and being patient are about the most difficult thing for a fan to do. Improvement promotes patience and with 17 wins and hitting bottom, up is a welcome direction. As the start of season approaches and once the schedule is released a formualtion can begin as to what to expect.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 6, 2009 7:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldnt drinking the Kool-Aid be going along with the national consensus?

Durant is a wonderful scorer. We were the most efficient offensive team in the NBA with Oden. Don’t miss KD too much.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 8, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends

they drank Purple Passion in Jamestown.

We all drink a brand of fan flavored Kool-Aid. A taste of Peach Tree for me, A p®itcherd of Rip City for you.

If you can seriously say that you prefer Greg O. over Kevin D. well, I’d say your punch is spiked plenty good.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 8, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the Portland Trail Blazers

Yes. Greg Oden is a better fit than Kevin Durant.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that

But you said the Blazers have a top 10 player, which in itself is debatable but that’s not what this is about. The Blazers have really good players because they had the opportunity of drafting in the top 10, I believe, 4 times in the past 4 years. The Kings have picked in the top 10 twice this decade, and one was the 10th pick and the other hasn’t played a minute of NBA basketball yet. That’s the difference.

And yeah, like Oden over Durant

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 7, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabs, a little reasoning here

Aldridge, Roy and Oden were all top ten picks, with two of them being top five and one of them being the #1 pick. You give any GM not named Elgin Baylor that many premium picks and he’s going to fashion together a team that can at least get to the first round of the playoffs (and lose).

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by section214 on Jul 8, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/crickets

Sucks when you make sense, huh?

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuilding through Draft Picks

I know that you pointed to a lot of all star players who are still with the teams that they were drafted by, and are making major contributions for those teams but very few teams actually have a starting five of their own draft picks……the kings will be one of them. All the great teams have a blend of the future mixed in with proven commodities, free agency and trades are the tools for buidling a contender (i.e. the Webber/Bibby deals; or the apparently unethical move of Danny Ainge two years ago).

However as you stated Patience is the key, we shouldn’t trade any of the players with potential until we fully see how the potential plays out. Neither should we trade Noc until we know who else is expendable, because him plus a young prospect after the all-star break will have a great return value.

Oh and P.S. i have some marshmellows and chocolate if you guys want to start a fire and continue all this man love for good newbies going around and sing Kumbaya.

by Gilo424 on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Noc + a young prospect has great return value?

Do you realize how NBA trades work, or do you open up your asshole before talking? (Maybe this is just idle curiosity. You be the judge.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

so that's what you are day dreaming about in your math class?

Sac_Strong – nice post. I get your point but my take is that what you are reading as impatience is actually frustration that the team wasted 2 years before committing to rebuilding. TZ put up two posts recently regarding the potential for trading for Boozer/Lee & Robinson and while they both sound attractive the largest amount of posts said that: don’t make the trade, the team at this point in it’s development isn’t ready for vets yet.

I’d say that a majority of the posters here recognize that we are a couple of years away and that any talented vets the team brings in takes away minutes from the rookies and young vets and hinders their development. While most members actually echo your post there is also a concern that due to the arena situation unless this team starts to get more wins now that attendance will continue to suck and we might lose the team to another city, hence the attraction of high level vets that might help us win

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jul 6, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does add a caveat to "rebuilding"

That most teams don’t have to worry about. I think another win-loss total in the teens is disastrous for this team, and probably buys the franchise’s ticket out of town.

So I’m a proponent of the Boozer idea much moreso than the Lee/Robinson ideas. You add a piece to help your competitiveness now, you have a great trade chip at the deadline, and your team is certainly improved in the short term. Plus you don’t tie up your cap space long term.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 7, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What team would want Boozer at the trade deadline

that wouldn’t outbid the Kings for him right now?

by Charlieb on Jul 7, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There aren't a ton of teams...

…that have the cap space currently to offer Utah the kind of relief the Kings can.

But that is a good question, we’ve been talking about Boozer in a vacuum – there are probably some other teams that are in the same position as the Kings. Question is, are those teams interested in Boozer?

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 7, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be surprised if Utah holds Boozer until the trade deadline

I might be off point, but I remember reading this somewhere. The NBA luxury tax is computed of the salaries of the team at the end of the NBA season. It seems to me that a team like Utah can keep (and pay) Boozer all the way until the trade deadline. At the deadline, trade boozer to a team that is under the salary cap (like Sacramento) and take back less $$$$ in contracts. It is the cost of the new contracts that are used in computing Utah’s luxury tax.

So personally, I think we can get a “sweeter” deal from a team looking to salary dump at the trade deadline than during this summer. Now, if Petrie can just hold back from taking bad contracts back in these trades…

by Fredman on Jul 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But will a team like Sacramento be under the salary cap come the trade deadline? Utah is taking a chance of not having a suitor for Boozer, so they may have to take the luxury tax hit anyways.

Are they willing to take that chance?

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 7, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

May just be my asshole talking

Oh wait no your right i did forget that if we trade Noc we would have to throw in a town virgin (we’ll just go to the Body Shop on Auburn for that) a pig, and two cows because he has 3 years left……My bad i forgot that part of NBA trades.

So I am not an NBA GM ( i know shocking conclusion) nor do i work in a front office. However yes in my opinion (gained from merely being a fan of basketball) Noc will have a lot of value on the market if we find a team that thinks they have a shot at a playoff run. He is a vet that can start, come off the bench, play the 2 or the 3. Has ok handles with a better outside shot, and most importantly he brings tough nose defense (according the Steve Kerr on NBA Live 09 he guards Lebron James whenever his teams play the CAVs). Do i know which teams will want him or for what players no, but every year before the tradeline the most valuable commodities are pieces teams think are the missing link, who knows we could convince a team that multi-talented sf is that link to a title. Its like sex, you give up your prize too soon and you feel used, you wait and increase the foreplay and maybe you get the hot waitress involved too.

Me and my asshole are out.

by Gilo424 on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately

the stink of both still remain…

by betweentheeyes on Jul 8, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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