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Spencer Hawes Skips Summer League

Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee breaks the news that Spencer Hawes will not, in fact, play in Summer League, despite the Kings putting his name on the roster. Geoff Petrie actually seems fairly pissed off by Geoff Petrie standards.

"We have, for the most part, five roster players here, and we're going to be a young team and having a new coach and a new staff. Certainly a good part of what we were trying to accomplish is to prepare those (players) better for the start of training camp and let the coaching staff get their first feel of them as players, and they can start to put in things that they're going to do in fall camp. I think it's valuable and completely productive."

This is disappointing -- from all angles, the communication should be better. Hawes should have made sure the team knew he wouldn't be available (he claims a "family commitment," though he'll be in Vegas on Monday, just five days after training camp began), and the team should have made sure Hawes, a third-year player, would be ready to go.

But the bigger disappointment comes from Hawes' apparent lack of love for the game.

Star-divide

Kevin Martin played Summer League in his third season, despite basically owning the starting two-guard job at that point. (That was the summer following the epic buzzer beater against the Spurs.) Martin was 23 years old. The following season, Martin was at Summer League. He didn't play -- no 20-point NBA scorers play Summer League -- but Martin was there, shooting the ball, playing pick-up, being around the game.

Hawes, the third face of our franchise (behind Martin and Tyreke Evans), isn't like that. Remember when begged off a conditioning test because of his knee history? This reeks of that. Basketball is a job for Spencer. A lucrative job, but a job. I don't go to work during my vacation, and Spencer isn't going to work during his. He cares as much about basketball as I do about pushing papers, which is a bit disheartening.

This isn't to say Spencer isn't working every day to get in shape. But tell me, who do you think is working hardest on his game, Kevin or Spencer? Who do you think is up at 7 AM taking shots, working on his conditioning, working on his game, Kevin or Spencer? Who do you think is doing everything he can to better stronger faster, Kevin or Spencer?

Basketball is life for Kevin Durant. Basketball is a job for Greg Oden. Basketball is life for Kobe. Basketball is a job for Shaq. Maybe there's something between guards and big men, where top-flight guards breathe desperation because their job isn't guaranteed, while guys like Greg Ostertag have careers based entirely on a height measurement. But it's discouraging that it's present in Hawes. Last year, Spencer overcame the conditioning test criticism by blowing the doors off the team for a few weeks to open the season -- remember the block party? He'll probably do the same this year, make us feel ashamed for doubting his dedication.

But no matter how good Hawes gets, I'll always get the feeling he could be better if he just cared about the game more. That feeling ain't ever going away.

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Ugh, dammit Spencer
Maybe there’s something between guards and big men,

Maybe there’s just something between lazy and non-lazy. JT’s a big man, and it’s pretty clear he’s been working hard in the offseason.

But no matter how good Hawes gets, I’ll always get the feeling he could be better if he just cared about the game more. That feeling ain’t ever going away.

I agree…once could be flukey, twice is a trend. “Family commitments” need to be scheduled around work when you make well into 7 figures per year. It’s not like he didn’t know summer league was coming.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 5:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

An awful big assumption....
But the bigger disappointment comes from Hawes’ apparent lack of love for the game.

I don’t really agree with this stance. It reeks of total spin. You really are too far removed from either party to accurately project what REALLY is going on.

Maybe Hawes doesn’t want to risk injury – I mean he IS the only legit 7 footer on the roster
Maybe Hawes’ grandpa is terminally ill – I dunno
There are just too many what if’s and maybe’s to where I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sure I agree the communication amongst BOTH parties should have been better, but it’s not like one summer league of 5 games is going to MAKE OR BREAK Hawes season or career.

So let’s just be fair and stop the speculation into peoples motives. Thanks.

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 6:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems pretty Diva-ish to me.

If Hawes’ grandfather is terminally ill, tell the organization that. It’s a legit reason. Petrie hearing through “various channels” at the last minute is quite dodgey.

Teh Dego Dagger

by BPaoliano on Jul 9, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is stupid

Maybe Hawes doesn’t want to risk injury? Maybe he should defer to the trainers of the team that pays him a $2 million + salary each season to determining his physical availability for summer league. That’s not Spencer’s decision to make, to be quite honest.

Maybe Hawes’ grandpa is terminally ill? Uhm, then tell your boss.

This isn’t the first time Hawes has pulled this type of act. And no, one summer league of 5 games will not make or break Hawes’ season or career – but if they are important to your employer, they should be important to you. It just tells us a lot about Spencer’s mindset, and yes…his love for the game.

And if we stop speculating into people’s motives, you might as well shut down the website.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair
That’s not Spencer’s decision to make, to be quite honest.

As a Third Year player, isn’t it his choice to play in Summer League or not? I thought that only rookies and second year guys could be “assigned” to Summer League, and beyond that it’s voluntary (e.g. Artest, Ron).

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then why not say from the start that he doesn't want to play summer league?

instead of arriving in Vegas and waiting till the last minute

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was just pointing out that it was, in fact, his decision to make.

I have no defense beyond that, and I’m very disappointed at how this all transpired.

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nitpicker :)

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And honestly

I was talking more about whether he can or can’t play due to injury. If he’s injured, then he shouldn’t be playing, and the training staff should be notifying Petrie & Co. of the reasons (IMO).

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’m totally with you, I just wanted to make it clear (mainly to anyone else reading your comment) that as a third year player it was completely voluntary.

I think he handled it poorly, and looks the worse for it.

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Benefit of the doubt...

…you really don’t know what the situation is. You’re making an awful lot of assumptions and speculating on what you THINK is going on. Until you have FACTS proving otherwise, give him the benefit of the doubt, conservative and all(I know that’s an underlying issue here of why he’s taking so much flak).

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

B.S.

Hawes’ politics have nothing to do with anything. Hawes is BELOVED here. See: Peaches shirt.

Petrie is between disappointed and pissed. I think we’re safe in assuming this is aggravating issue for the franchise. God forbid we have an opinion about it given the info we know.

by Ziller on Jul 9, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flak

I just said I know that an UNDERLYING reason why he’s catching FLAK here by many. Maybe not you specifically, but continue down the thread and it exists. You can like a person’s game in basketball and think they’re a complete idiot politically. LeBron James comes to mind for me.

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politics has nothing to do with anything.

We’re all BASKETBALL FANS here. The political viewpoints vary widely, but we set them all aside to find common ground in our obsession with the Kings.

So your point, besides being fatuous, is ignorant.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree about the basketball

…that’s why we’re here. But there ARE digs with Spencer. You see it frequently in media comments, often with remarks on forums/blogs like these. It’s there. It exists. I’m not accusing you personally, but Spence DOES take flak from many directions because he’s a proud, self-proclaimed Limbaugh listener and staunch conservative. That irritates a lot of people and a major reason why he takes a lot of flak.

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen it

And I would notice, being a conservative myself.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think

We should defer to Smills91’s knowledge of the board, seeing as how he’s been a member since late April of 2009.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Defer?

What is this defer of which you speak?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternate usage of the word "defer"
You remove defer from the roadkill before you put it in the boiling water.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree he's off base

But I don’t think we should do that to Smills91.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying

he should be boiled with his fur still on?

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking specifically about THIS board...

…rather about how Spencer is perceived on message boards in general as well as the national and local media types.

Because you’ve posted on this forum 1 year before me, makes you somehow more qualified to give an opinion?

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

It qualifies me to know the general opinions of this board better than you.

One year? Not really a mathlete are ya?

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One year

Otis, I think it looks that way due to when it switched over to SBN 2.0

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 9, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Research is tiring!

If he scrolled down just a bit on my profile, it shows my SacTown Royalty “blog membership”.

Sactown Royalty
Sacramento Kings

Since Oct 25, 2005 – UID: 23

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa,

We’ve all got big dicks here. Let’s just put them away and move on.

by cbsf on Jul 9, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not the length

It’s the circumference.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Otis is hung like Skoal can

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Time to start that career with the circus.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 10, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eeeeeeew.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 10, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah guys

You’re forgetting about the liberal media. Smills is just trying to provide some fairness and balance around here.

by Charlieb on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

Read what was reported. The Kings management is disappointed in his decision. This is an internet message board, so you might have to deal with assumption and speculation.

I don’t have a problem with Spencer’s politics, and I am pretty far left. I may tweak him for it occasionally, but it doesn’t affect my overall enjoyment of him as a basketball player. What I do have a problem with is his pissing away his leadership potential – kid has the smarts and the personality to be a leader. But he doesn’t appear to see himself in that role.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's also 20 years old...

What were you doing when you were 20?

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not making $2M/year to play a game.

Not feeling sorry for the kid. He worked hard to get where he is, agreed.

Why stop now?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No offense meant

but how do read the other posts with your face stuck in Spence’s Butt. Spencer himself doesn’t defend himself half as much as you do. I am as far left as a person can be and I root for Hawes and don’t give a shit about his politics. Hoops man…thats all this is about.
You must get upset if Hawes drives left instead of right. When I was 20 I was marching against everything Spence supports. Who cares?

by ElRonToro on Jul 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With.

People forget that actions speak volumes about their character and their priorities.

It’s all we have to go on— what they say and what they do. They have to expect to be judged on that criteria.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's fine...

…but people are making a rush to judgement with partial facts. THat’s my issue here.

I’m all about judging people, I think it’s an absolutely necessary and key ingredient in being successful in life. However, with that judgement I need to judge correctly, accurately and righteously. If not, then my judgement is invalid.

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, then

If you have a well-paid employee who, to your understanding, was going to attend a training seminar/team building workshop, and you found out at the last minute that he was unable to be there because of a previously undisclosed “family conflict,” would you consider that employee to be as valuable and committed as the people who made the effort to attend and participate fully in the seminar?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be disappointed

But I wouldn’t leap to the conclusion he doesn’t work hard, which Ziller did.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Jul 9, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends...

…is it an optional or mandatory workshop? In Spencer’s case it’s optional and his prerogative. IMO the SL is more about developing young players and finding gems in the rough.

By Hawes not playing, we’ll see more of John Bryant who can potentially make our roster and potentially fill a need behind Hawes.

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

However...

If your boss, who hired you and has the power to place you in a less desirable department (or team in this instance), wants you to attend an optional workshop then it is not your prerogative to not attend the said workshop.

I think all TZ’s doing here is criticizing Hawes for not being a professional with this situation as well as a backhanded criticism of the Kings for not sorting this out with Spencer before the SL (since we don’t know all the information and based on past situations we can safely say GP is a pretty reasonable person who doesn’t get pissed easily, then there must’ve been some mistake on Spencer’s part).

Also, stop advocating that people should be judgmental with other people. We’re not judging Spence based on partial facts, we’re forming an opinion about Spence based on his actions. Now if the Kings/someone else release an account of Spence being a really hard worker who works tirelessly on his game during the off-season, i doubt anyone here would be bitching about him pulling out of the SL at the last min, however there isn’t such accounts and as a result, we can only infer based on the (lack) of past evidence that at this stage in his career he isn’t the most hardworking player and both past and present evidence reinforces that image…

If you want to make a judgement with all the facts then we’ll have to wait until SH retires…by which point it would be useless to judge him

by DowJones on Jul 9, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Then...

If any information comes out that Spencer has good cause to skip summer league, I’m sure you will correct us accordingly.

You do understand the point of sports talk, whether it’s on the radio or on a message board right? We take the information we have, we parse it out and offer our opinions accordingly. Do you think we ever get the whole story about ANYTHING related to sports? Speculation is the freaking backbone of sports talk.

I’m starting to think Spencer’s politics are skewing your view of the situation more than anyone else’s.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Head Case...

Spencer is the team’s resident “expert” on all things…even those things he knows nothing about. The guy has demonstrated “attitude” and is fairly impressed with himself. I think your assessment of basketball as a job rather than a passion is probably pretty accurate. Too bad. Having a key piece of a young team so inclined is not good – “head cases” tend to be more disruptive in organizations than not. But – peopel can change – just look at how in a short time Spencer picked up Brad Miller’s on court call whinning. His game has up side but his head is in the way right now.

by Hatcreek5 on Jul 9, 2009 7:05 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

What do you expect?

When the Kings sent Miller packing and pretty much insured that Hawes was the lead man with no competition entering the season, it likely did in his commitment to things like the summer league. This is why the Kings need leadership from within the team. Somebody to pull Hawes aside and apply pressure on him to convince him that he needs to do this. Right now this team is rudderless and there isn’t that guy, so players like Spencer will do what they want. This is a case were a David Lee would not only push Spencer for playing time, but might also show him a little something about hard work and commitment. Seems like Lee has that fire that you are talking about, even for a big man.

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by The Czar on Jul 9, 2009 7:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, the lack of a leader to get Spence in line is the bigger problem

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jul 9, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petrie is the Leader

Petrie needs to be the leader in these areas. Tell him that if he doesn’t want to push himself, he may just find himself traded. It may be a ploy but I doubt a player can light a fire under his ass. If he’s not motivated to play alongside his buddy Brockman, I wonder if something really has come up.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jul 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is really diisappointing

& a bad example especially for guys like dante who need a good example set forth, this franchise gave the keys 2 the center spot to spencer last year when they traded brad, they have proven their commitment to hawes so where is the return commitment? thank god for players like speed & jt on this roster hopefully the other youngins take note obviously spencer has not

by allbenji's on Jul 9, 2009 7:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think that is a legitimite call, TZ

He is young, he has played and made basketball his identity throughout high school and college and it clear he has other interests now.

I think, and again, what do I know (the answer to that is: nothing) that Spencer has shown he is more than a basketball player. Sounds like the kid needs to mature and recognize that right now, Spencer Hawes is a basketball player for the Sacramento Kings first and a growing, intelligent young man second. Who knows? If nothing else, he needs some lessons in public relations.

Jon Brockman needs to kick his ass a bit.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 9, 2009 7:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical

It’s possible that there is a trade in the works that involves SH and GP wants to make sure SH does not get injured.

by kwill on Jul 9, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

uhh

no.

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Jul 9, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Kings management

Expressing their disappointment with him helps his trade value?

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your quite right

After rereading the article I came to the realization that I should have gotten more sleep last night. :)

by kwill on Jul 9, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer is a third year player

He probably feels he’s not a rookie any more

by KingsFan on Jul 9, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

come on, guys

He doesn’t want to play in summer league. Not that big of a deal. Sure, I wish he played, but mostly because I want to just see him play. Whether Hawes dominated, or sucked during summer league play wouldn’t mean anything for the regular season. Now, if he isn’t around the game, working out, getting stronger, then I would worry. But I have heard too much about him working out with Reef after practice, and playing one on one with Shock during the regular season that I don’t think this is a big deal. When your a 7 footer with a knee history, entered the league at a young age, will be playinig heavy minutes the next season, all while gaining weight, you need to take rest when you can get it.

As for him not loving basketball, I don’t agree with that. Hawes is a very competitive guy, and I think he is doing what he feels he needs to do. Honestly, nobody will be able to tell until the season starts, when we see if he has improved at all from last season. Improvment is always the best indication of love for the game.

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Jul 9, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's true that improvement is the most important thing

But the Kings need to improve as individual players and as a team. Spencer isn’t holding up at least half of his end of the bargain.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 8:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

spencer doesn,t have enough basketball experience not to go to summer league

people forget spencer played only one year of college and he came from th pac-10 which has a history of having weak centers that don’t pan out in the pros. Spencer is nowhere near where he should be in his low post skill set yet. He gets dominated by less skilled players all the time because he lacks the attitude it takes to be great. He’ll be good on a struggling team like the Kings, but he’ll never be what he can be with an attitude change.

by rbk84 on Jul 9, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check your facts re: Pac-10 Centers...

The Pac-10 has produced some of the all-time greats at the center position, including (arguably) the greatest center of all-time.

by cabz on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arguably?

there’s nothing arguable about it, in my opinion

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hugely disappointing

I know some will try to downplay the importance of this, but it’s flat-out disrespectful on Spencer’s part. If 79 year-old Pete Carril thinks it’s important enough to be actively involved, you better damn well show up. Have some pride, for Pete’s sake! If I were one of the centerpieces of a 17-win team, I believe I’d be jumping at any opportunity to prove my worthiness as a player and commitment to improving the team. I definitely agree that Spence needs a swift kick in the ass in the form of another quality big pushing him for minutes. I mean, if he’s pulling these stunts now, how’s he going to act when he starts making real NBA money?

I used to wonder if I’d be more willing to give up JT or Spencer in a deal for a star. Now I know.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 8:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I like this

I want to see JT play the five.
I want to see how many boards Brockman can get in Starter’s minutes.
I want to see Donte play some 4.
I want to see Omri get to play alongside a frontcourte of Shock and e.

by sdfd on Jul 9, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and besides...

we know Spence can ball….

by sdfd on Jul 9, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade him now

he doesn’t rebound enough for my taste anyway. Get something for him before other teams realize this fact about him.

by mayfieldcol on Jul 9, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a non-issue for me.

I understand what you’re getting at TZ, but this seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. So he skipped summer league, big deal. Spence doesn’t need Summer League. Is his game perfect? No, but 2 weeks of halfassed play against sub-par talent isn’t going to fix the holes in his game.

As far as job passion goes, everybody gets tired of work no matter how much they love their job. I loved being a lifeguard/summer camp counsler. The 2 months camp was in session was awesome fun, but I’ll be damned if after that 2 months every damn summer I was itching to get the Natt out of there. Did I hate my job? No, I had a blast, but I just needed a break.

Maybe Spence just needs a little bit longer of a basketball break. Trainers can’t tell him if he’s mentally ready to get back into it. Geoff can’t tell him that and Westphal can’t tell him that. The only person who knows if he’s ready is Shawes himself. If he says he’s not ready, I’ll take him for his word. It doesn’t mean his passion for basketball is less than any of the other players, it just means he’s not ready to bang with a bunch of gangly centers who are too uncoordinated to make it in the league. I’d rather he miss 5 meaningless games in Vegas than pull a Ron Ron and pull out of a game that matters a half hour beforehand.

Take all the time you need Spence. Fully get over the Palin resignation, then come back.

Dip til I rip

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 8:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Lol nice Palin dig.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Palin...

Still threatens you even after retirement?

by Smills91 on Jul 9, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Palin announced her resignation; she is not necessarily retiring from politics. She therefore remains a very potent threat, and liberals everywhere should make as many Palin digs as possible.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Jul 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I think an Obama v. Palin race in 2012 would be hilarious, and liberals should encourage it by not pointing out what a hack she is. We’ll save that for when she inevitably gets her show on Fox News.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given liberals’ lack of restraint when it comes to pointing out Palin’s hackiness and Palin’s tendency to portray herself as a victim, I’m not sure your vision is realistic. It’s a pretty thought, though.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Jul 9, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

Since she’s just a reg’lar gal, she probably takes digs from elitist liberal snobs as evidence that she’s doing a good job. Poke away.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She'd be my grudge hump

it would be purely angry and violent sex

plus, i’d so let her have my retarded baby!

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol I voted for McCain/Palin

But I also don’t care enough about politics to not laugh when the other side says something funny.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did your summer camp job

Pay you 2 million per year?

I think the problem here is that the Kings staff (most notably Petrie) is disappointed. And the cryptic nature of this makes it appear Spencer didn’t communicate this with his employer directly.

Sure, this isn’t really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but it might give us an insight into his real dedication to the sport.

And I don’t care who my employer is, or how much money I’m making – if they are paying me and expect me to be somewhere, you can damn sure guarantee I’ll either be there, or they will know well in advance why I’m not.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right

This isn’t vacation, it’s offseason. There’s a significant difference.

Using the lifeguard example, it would be like leaving your post the minute your shift ended even if the next guy on duty is 15 minutes late. Maybe no one is going to drown, but it’s certainly worth seeing through.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is the worst analogy ever

no one is going to drown if Spencer doesn’t go to summer league except maybe Pookey in the lake of tears created by this thread assuming he’s not a good swimmer.

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by ForThree on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 mil a year is nothing...

When you take into account that their lame duck point guard earns 3 mil more than that a year and will probably be getting the K-9 treatment for the majority of that deal.

I don’t think the money is that much of a motivating factor for Spence. Like TZ was saying, it’s about passion for the actual game. I’d be more worried if he was just doing what he was told just for the sake of earning a paycheck. I’d much rather have the real Specer Hawes who wears Peaches shirts to practice and sometimes does things for himself that we don’t like than have him become a guy who just punches the clock and nabs up a paycheck. If anything, this shows he still has that fire burning. I hate my job and pretty much just defer to whatever my bosses tell me to do so I can collect my paycheck. It’s the jobs that I actually like where I butted heads with my bosses and stood up for what I thought was right because I cared. I prefer a Spencer Hawes that cares as opposed to a defeated clock puncher.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 9:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You've managed to spin this

Into “this shows he still has that fire burning”??? You are some kind of contortionist Muff.

The worst part of these occasional issues with Hawes – I think the kid has the personality, the intelligence and most importantly the game to be a leader on this team. But if you’re going to give off the vibe that you are too good for some of these team activities…you had better be too good.

And Spencer isn’t that good.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And yet I work in the custodial arts instead of PR somehow

Honestly, I think we’re just making a big deal out of nothing. After one day of practice Spencer apparently needs to be traded and Jon Brockman is some sort of stud. It’s the dog days of summer and we miss the NBA something fierce.

As far as Spence’s passion/fire/whatever goes, I’ve always respected the guy who cares enough to do what he thinks is best, even if it goes against the grain. I think he falls more into this category, but people seem to be lumping him into the lazy category because we’re reading a lot into something we really know nothing/little about. In these situations, I trust the player’s judgement.

Plus, let’s not kid ourselves, Shawes AND JT are both too good for summer league.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
After one day of practice Spencer apparently needs to be traded and Jon Brockman is some sort of stud.

I can’t wait for day number two!

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im sorry but...

“Plus, let’s not kid ourselves, Shawes AND JT are both too good for summer league.”

17 wins tells me they are not as good as you think they are!

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No kidding

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 9, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

Because last season wasn’t full of constant changes.

Considering we lost a coach, had our freshly-signed PG go all milk carton on us, and traded away half the team for cap space (and Noc), I don’t think we can blame our win-loss record on Shock and Hawes’ playing ability.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 10:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Takes more than palying ability

to win games. Teamwork, devotion, camraderie, respect and trust, just to name a few. These are not obtained by just “playing ability”.
If your happy that a guy can play “his game” and get “his numbers” then I question your basketball knowledge as a whole. It takes a team to win, just look down I-5 for proof. Kobe wasnt winning just by being good himself. He had to trust in his team first.

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awww, are you trying to bait me?

That’s adorable.

I agree with all of that. It takes more than playing ability to make a good team. It takes all the things you’re talking about. I just don’t think 2 weeks of summer league ball could affect any of those things enough for Spence’s summer snub to matter.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not trying to "bait" you....

However I still think youre wrong. Wwe can agree to disagree, however,
2 weeks of building teamwork and learning about each others play seems incredibly valuable to me. Especially for a team that had 17 wins last year.

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely necessary for team cohesion...

I know its not a big deal if taken by itself, but others on the team that were expecting to play with him (for the first time for most of them) only to find out right before practice that he blew them off (at least it seems that way) might not warm up to his “leadership” on the court which is not good for team chemistry. IMO, what it comes down to is this: He may or may not have gotten better this summer playing in the DL. He may or not have helped his new teammates get better this summer. But by not showing up, he did one thing for certain; he DIDN’T help the TEAM get better. Players/Coaches/Fans recognize this. I also lean as left as can be, but my son has a Hawes jersey, I root for Hawes as much as any other King. Why? Because he is a King and I am a Kings fan. I disagree with his politics, but if I didn’t like anyone who had different ideas than I do, I would be fighting with everyone everyday. He is a fine player, but he has room for improvement and this is a perfect time to implement improvements to his game. He missed a chance to potentially get better, that is a lack of work ethic and drive, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. Unless of course, he had a valid reason for not playing, but as of yet, nothing has been given.

by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 9, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

for simply saying what I have tried to do in 1,000 words or less! lol!

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what?
Kobe wasnt winning just by being good himself. He had to trust in his team first.

Kobe won by doing this year (30.2, 5.3, 5.5) almost exactly what he did last year (30.1, 5.7, 5.6) in the playoffs.

I don’t buy that he won because his “trust” levels changed significantly in either direction last season.

That argument reeks of Joe Morganism.

I think you’re better than that, Dirkula.

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

It was a similar Kobe to what we have seen in the past but he had more talent, and therefore trust in his team mates. I think he looked more relaxed this year then in the past.
Granted I dont watch much Laker ball so I am not a very reliable judge of this but it appeared that way to me from the limited viewing I had of him this year.

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

first thing you've written that I agree with

the importance of Spence attending SL is that’s he’s missing a chance to get to hang with his new team mates, learn about their games and have a shared experience with guys his own age. He doesn’t even need to play, just by being in the stands would be showing his support for HIS team.

I’m sure the young guys are going to have a great time in Las Vegas and Spence won’t be a part of that. I know that I have learned and gotten closer with co workers at conferences or other off site things than I have with just working with them for months. If it doesn’t help the team it hurts the team and Spence not being in Vegas hurts the team.

BTW, when we are talking basketball here, Spence’s political views (probably agree with half) have close to zero impact on how his game is perceived.

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by Bluejohn on Jul 9, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are in my 2k9 association

Both leading the West in All-Star votes currently. Along with K-Mart and LeBron who I picked up for a max contract in the vaunted summer of 2010.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But I think you are using some extremist points of view (trading Spencer, Brockman’s abilities) to make a point.

Thing is, this is about as strong a rebuke of a player as you will ever see from Petrie. For the rest of us, it appears to be a mild tweaking, but when was the last time you heard Petrie say anything even slightly negative about a current Kings player?

I think there’s more fire here than you are seeing.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree Otis

and if nothing else Petrie may be flat out embarresed. I think that its terrible that someone who has always conducted himself with class and dignity cant get a phone call or even an email from one of his key players. Just disrespectful IMO.

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Petrie said he got word through "various channels"

Doesnt exactly sound like a phone call or personal conversation, does it?

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think?

I straight up am using extreme points of view to get a point across.

It’s really more of a judgement call. There could be more to this, or this could be it. We’re here to kill time and debate it. What it boils down to for me is that I think Spencer is a good kid and didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers by deciding to skip Summer League. I don’t think it says anything about his passion at all (despite my spin-tastic claims earlier). I truly think he just made a dumb mistake. 20-year olds do that from time to time. Considering the only other indicator we have right now that he might be a head case is that he didn’t want to run wind sprints or whatever, I think we’re not giving him enough credit. He’s a kid, he made a mistake, and it slightly pissed off his boss. That’s really all we know. It doesn’t say anything about his playing ability or what’s going on in his head right now. All it says is “Spencer isn’t doing the Summer League thing this year.” And to me, that’s the end of the story.

Now, I could be wrong. But all indicators, for me at least, point towards this being nothing more than a small blip on the offseason radar.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with some of your points

I just think I’m less tolerant of a 17 win team then you are.
 I agree hes a kid, but there needs to be more respect shown to his team and the fans.
I guess I see opportunities like this and think people should seize them instead of questioning if its “really going to help”.
I could even forgive him easier if he hadnt been so defiant to take his conditioning test last year. He just seems to lack passion, and as a passionate fan I have a hard time tolerating that.

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am way more tolerant of this 17-win team.

We’ve really only sucked for like 3 or 4 years. At least we have a direction now. I consider the 90s way worse than now, even though we set a new low in the wins column. Those teams were directionless and our best player made it known he wanted out pretty much everytime someone stuck a mic in his face near the end. If I can make it through Mitch’s bitching, I can stand a few rebuilding seasons. No matter how painfully depressing it is to watch during the actual season. At least we have hope this time.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 10:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

This 17 win team seems to have more talent on the roster than those old crappy Kings teams did (that won twice as many games).

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weve only sucked for 3 or 4 years?

Season W L %
2002-03 59 23 .720
2001-02 61 21 .744
2000-01 55 27 .671
1999-00 44 38 .537
1998-99 27 23 .540
1997-98 27 55 .329
1996-97 34 48 .414
1995-96 39 43 .476
1994-95 39 43 .476
1993-94 28 54 .341
1992-93 25 57 .305
1991-92 29 53 .354
1990-91 25 57 .305
1989-90 23 59 .280
1988-89 27 55 .329
1987-88 24 58 .293
1986-87 29 53 .354
1985-86 37 45 .451

You may have not been around for the previous 12 or so years before we actually got good, but I can remember some truly awful teams. I loved the team blindly then and was a lot younger and more naive myself back then.
I can remember feeling crushed when Ricky Berry killed himself and then later Bobby Hurley getting nearly killed in a car accident, so forgive me if Im frsutrated by an apparent lack of respect for the guy that actually got this team winning for once.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you misunderstood me

I meant we’ve only sucked 3 or 4 years since our early 2000s run.

Trust me, my family had mini-ticket packages during the 90s. I remember those teams all too well. (And even scored Bobby Hurley’s autograph)

Also, maybe it’s just because I’m doing this all via mobile, but I missed the part where I showed a lack of respect to anybody who got us winning.

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 11:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not you Muff...

“but I missed the part where I showed a lack of respect to anybody who got us winning.”

I meant Spence.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant

The most recent era of suckitude.

It has, so far, been mercifully brief.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

However last year was rock bottom for me. We had way more talent then at other times in the past and fared worse so Im a little more vigillant in my critiquing of the players choices right now.
As they say, all things are cured by winning!

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair we had a lot of games decided by 3 points or less

And switched from Bad Coach to Coach so bad we turn his name into an expletive early in the season. Theus probably would have won us a few more games. Not trading half the team at the deadline would probably have won us a few more games. A lot of things happened. We ended up on the worse end of the possible spectrum. But I think we’ll be better off for it.

I cared a lot more about the Kings last season than I did in the past few years. The past few years were below averageness and no real direction. Last year we were young and raw and there was hope that the future would be better. That’s what kept me watching. That’s what will keep me watching this year.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm Masochistic,

But I feel the same way. Last years team was much more endearing to me than the previous few seasons. The thrill of finding new ways to lose in crunch time. The development of new ways to express frustrations. The evolution of an entirely new set of profane words to choose from, there was just too much.

by propane on Jul 9, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's not training every single day

Then his passion for basketball is less than some players.

by Charlieb on Jul 9, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

While I agree with TZ’s view of this being a disappointment, I’m equally amused by the lashing Spencer is suddenly receiving. Let’s take a look at the reactions this has brought:

-If we had David Lee, this would never have happened. Personally, I wasn’t aware that Lee was considered a vocal leader and someone who would fix every problem.

-Hawes is suddenly not just tradeable, but should be traded. Funny, I didn’t read much of that when his name was floated in rumors before the draft. Actually, people were opposed to trading him.

-He has an attitude, is a know-it-all, and is impressed with himself. Honestly I’m not sure how to begin dismantling this hyperbole, because I struggle to think of any support for these claims, other than the fact that the guy has political opinions.

-Spencer Hawes doesn’t care about basketball. Ok, so we’ve had two incidents in two years. The first one was a kid with a history of knee problems being worried about conditioning drills. The second was not participating in summer league, with short notice.

Is it disappointing? Of course. And yes, he should have handled it better. But let’s not make mountains out of molehills.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 9, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Really

“-He has an attitude, is a know-it-all, and is impressed with himself. "

Can we say Shaquille O’Neill

Its summer league in Vegas, its not training camp, how would “we” feel it he played and some scrub from another team crashed into him and blew Hawes knee out

You don’t get to make it in the NBA if you don’t care about basketball, there is a lot of pride in most professional athletes. The other incident was regarding his own health, isn’t that a good thing that he questioned that?

by Murf on Jul 9, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Are you seriously comparing Spencer with Shaq? Really!?

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaq Vs Spencer

Not in talent, but just to say that the attitude of "He has an attitude, is a know-it-all, and is impressed with himself. " is not one that just Hawes has allegedlly but is common to many in the NBA. Shaq was the first guys whose name came to mind

by Murf on Jul 9, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the comparison

Spencer is, oh I don’t know, about 10 times more articulate than Shaq.

by Kusian on Jul 9, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off

I implied that the Kings need some competition. I think you read a little more into that than I intended. Nowhere did I say that Lee would have somehow made him go. I was implying that competition would make him go, not Lee.

Competition is always good. Fact: Spencer has none at this point. Why should he bother to go to the Summer league? Get what I’m sayin? Don’t put words into my mouth that I didn’t say please.

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by The Czar on Jul 9, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The original piece brought up K-mart's commitment

But Kmart was still very raw and unproven and likely facing a lot more competition. Hawes has none and that was the point I was trying to make.

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by The Czar on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your words
This is a case were a David Lee would not only push Spencer for playing time, but might also show him a little something about hard work and commitment.

I will acknowledge that I extrapolated on your original statement. If that upset you, I apologize. I was trying to make a point.

Your point though was that a guy like Lee would challenge Spencer. But David Lee would not be in Summer League, and he is not a center. I still don’t see it as a valid point.

Competition is always good. Fact: Spencer has none at this point.

Well, there are players on the Summer League roster who would like to challenge to be the center for the Kings. The reason he has no competition is because he’s already much more skilled than any possible competition currently on the roster. I’d venture to say that there aren’t many back-ups out there who are available who could challenge Spencer.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 9, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason that he has no competition

Is that we don’t have another center on the roster. The only other guy who can even play out of position there is also a starter. David Lee might not be a great example since he’s undersized, but I think the point that Hawes’s growth may be retarded by the lack of competition for minutes is valid. Though he did also seem to bristle at losing minutes to Brad Miller, so maybe he needs to be coddled.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I also didn’t say that Lee would be in the summer league either.

Back to the original point. Hawes has nothing to prove in the summer league and will not be pushed for minutes on this current squad. Therefore, I’m not surprised that he is skipping out in the least.

My point about Lee is that he is a hard worker, something that was implied in the original piece that Spencer is lacking and Lee would be another big man to push for minutes. Yeah, I know that they likely won’t sign him, but it’s a nice thought because I think that Spencer could still use that push. Whether he plays the 4 or 5 (he did both in NY) is moot since the Kings lack that bulky rebounder at this point and he would be a nice fit whether he started and JT came off the bench or vice versa. Right now Spencer has no worries though. IF he did, maybe he would be working harder and doing the summer league. That was my original intent with the post.

You seem to agree with your statement that “he’s already much more skilled than any possible competition currently on the roster.” Aren’t we pretty much saying the same thing here?

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by The Czar on Jul 9, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've gotten WAY too big a head

since you got “promoted”. You definitely took liberties with what others said – and made “mountains out of molehills” out of others’ reactions. It’s condescending and adds little to the discussion.

by thelettere on Jul 9, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other than my liberties with Czar’s commented, which I acknowledged and apologized for, the other comments are directly taken from posts above. People were advocating that we should trade Hawes, people said he has an attitude, was a know-it-all and impressed with his own game, and people questioned his passion for basketball. I was pointing out that I believed people were overreacting.

As for the “promotion” affecting me, you probably aren’t recalling some of the previous comments I’ve made in threads. I’ve always been opinionated, always will be. If you’re going to be critical of my writing or my viewpoints, that’s fine. But do it in the way that Czar did. We had a discussion where we shared opposing viewpoints and came to an understanding. That’s what a sports blog should be all about.

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by Exhibit G on Jul 9, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Keep doing what you're doing Ex G

I don’t know what the heck thelettere is talking about – you’re doing a stellar job of picking up section214’s slack. ;)

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by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I support Ex G

but I still think we could trade up from SHawes.

by mayfieldcol on Jul 9, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Centralist view

This is disappointing, but it is not the end of the world. I think that it would have been beneficial to the squad physically and emotionally to have Spencer play. That said, it’s only a couple of games and a mini-camp, one in which almost 2/3 of the team will not be participating.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to retrieve the babies that some of you threw out with the bath water.

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by section214 on Jul 9, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

It would have been beneficial to the squad physically and emotionally to have Spencer play

Seems like a good enough reason to play.

This is a crappy team. We need players who are interested in improving it in any way that they can. Hopefully Spencer is that kind of player, and he’s just getting some really, really bad advice. Regardless, he clearly has a maturity problem that is hurting a team that has enough of a talent deficit to overcome as is.

How would we react if Tyreke Evans decided not to play? Has Spencer really proven any more than Evans? Given what went down on the court last season, pardon me if I’m not convinced that he has.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Completely

and utterly agree with you Furious!

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by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

there’s a difference between a rookie with no NBA time and a kid who’s been in the league for 3 years. It’s not the end of the freakin world!

and he has a maturity problem … so what? Most 21 year old kids do! Just because he’s in the NBA doesn’t mean he’s freakin Ghandi. It means he can play basketball. If he has a maturity problem at 26 or 27, then I get worried.

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by what_the_crap on Jul 9, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most 21 year-old kids

Aren’t the starting centers for NBA teams. He has exceptional physical gifts and exceptional skills, but if he’s not ready to make choices with an exceptional level of maturity for a person his age, then he’s creating a problem for the team. If he’s not mature enough to be our starting center, I won’t think he’s a bad person. But I aslo won’t advocate for his keeping his job over someone who is ready to step up.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

so ...

after all the growth he showed last year … you’re willing to bench him just because he doesn’t go to the summer league this year? Seriously? Talk about setting the franchise back …..

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by what_the_crap on Jul 9, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm willing to bench anyone

Who isn’t making the sacrifices necessary to turn this team around. Spencer has a lot of potential, which is exactly why he needs to be doing everything possible to continue the growth that he achieved last season. But if he’s not willing to do the easy things like showing up to Summer League to develop a rapport with new teammates and coaches, then how can I expect him to do the hard things like improving his defensive focus, rebounding effort, and inside game, which are absolutely essential to Spencer’s and the team’s improvement?

Obviously, taken by itself, a third-year player missing out on summer league isn’t that big of a deal. If it was Kevin Durant, he’d get a free pass. But Spencer’s production isn’t particularly great and this isn’t the first time his commitment has been (rightfully, IMO) called into question. His production seems to be improving with time, but this maturity issue does not. If it takes a threat to his playing time to inspire better effort from him, then so be it. It certainly couldn’t hurt us from a W-L perspective.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

This is a young roster that remains fluid. While it would be nice to have Hawes playing, its not like the guy is playing for a roster spot. Look around the NBA and see how many teams have three regular season starters playing on their Summer League teams. Most are rookies, undrafted players, and free agents trying to get back in the league. Looking over the Summer League rosters, most are complete unknowns with zero chance to make a team. If you call Hawes out for his absence, single out every young NBA player not in a Summer League uniform.

Now, the communication between Hawes and the Kings is another issue….no reason for him to have been listed if he didn’t intend to play. But questioning his commitment to the game is presumptive and Voison-esque. This is the same guy who has surprised most of us with his dedication, hustle, and improvement in each season. When the preseason starts and the guy doesn’t want to play, then I’ll accept that label for Hawes. Until then, he’s just not in Vegas blocking shots of unknown Euros or back-up guards from the Big Sky Conference.

by PurplePurple on Jul 9, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm.....

“While it would be nice to have Hawes playing, its not like the guy is playing for a roster spot. Look around the NBA and see how many teams have three regular season starters playing on their Summer League teams”

Look around the league and see how many teams won 17 freaking games!!

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There should be a show named "Desperate Kingsfans"

Seriously, it’s just a simple communication issue, nothing more.

by Kreuz on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too worried.

I wasn’t expecting Spencer to be on the roster when it was announced. And he is coming over Monday so he might play still, up to him. But if he doesn’t I don’t mind. Pre-Season is where he’ll really need to shine though.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Note to self,

don’t get on TZ’s bad side at 5:30 in the morning.

Really though, I think I halfway agree with you. It’s this combined with the conditioning thing last year and some of the things that have come out of Spence’s mouth that solidifies this aura around him that only he knows what’s best for him. I’m a little surprised by his change of heart (if that’s what it is) and definitely a little disappointed, but I don’t think it really changes my overall feelings about him as a player.

In fact, I’m glad Spencer has his swagger. I do think that currently it’s a little outsized in relation to his actual game, but I think someday it will serve him well to raise his game to the next level and separate him from most of the other young skilled big men in the league. The only other player on our team right now that really has that is Cisco, but his role on the team will obviously never be as large as Spencer’s. I think JT has it growing in him, and what makes him a really special player is that he’s also got the work ethic and the chip on his shoulder.

I may be singing a different tune if it wasn’t for that one game last year when Spencer really won me over. I don’t remember for sure who we were playing, but it was one of our overtime losses. This was after we had already had more than a few heartbreaks by completely blowing some games in the final minutes through our utter incompetence and lack of clutch (Garcia was out injured, if I remember correctly), and we were well on our way to blowing this one as well. And then Spencer decided he didn’t want to sit back and watch the same thing unfold again, so he hit a huge shot towards the end to keep us in it, and then another right after to send it to OT. He then missed a tough shot in OT at the buzzer, but it at least looked like a shot that he should be taking. I remember feeling better about that loss than most of our wins last year.

My point is, I think it’s pretty clear that Spencer has an attitude, but I think that attitude isn’t necessarily a problem. It’s all going to depend on how the team meshes as a whole, if all the varied pieces fit together or not.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Against the Heat at Arco

I think that’s the game you’re talking about

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 9, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

That was a fun game.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What dissapoints me....

… is this was a 17 win team last year.
Here we have a 3rd year center that was essentially given the starting job simply because we traded away our veteran center, who seemed to be the only one capable of keeping Spencers ego in check.
Spencer is given an opportunity to go play with his friend, (Brockman), and become more of a leader on a team that severlely lacks leadership and camaraderie, and instead of seizing said opportunity, he basically flakes on his team and management.
I realize its just Summer League and he is a 3rd year player, however I think TZ is spot on to question his passion and maturity.
His actions make me feel as though he is OK with being a part of the worst team in Kings history and that disgusts me. I dont understand how you dont do whatever it takes to show that your pissed with how things went down last year and that you personally will not tolerate losing like this again this year!
The guy has just convinced me we need to either trade him or find someone with heart to take his place because Im tired of non-caring lazy centers who dont take some responsability for this teams terrible play.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hawes Work Ethic

Good article all in all, and maybe you’re right about Spencer’s love for the game. But leg me chime in with this. I was an intern for KHTK Spence’s rookie year and I was lucky enough to be there courtside during sportsline as the Kings and their opponent warmed up. I’d say 90% of the time Hawes was the 1st one out there for shoot around.. And 2nd wasn’t even close.

I Came, I Saw, I Conquered.

by dspohn55 on Jul 9, 2009 9:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I certainly wouldn’t question Spencer’s love of shooting.

But there’s more to it than that. And his inconsistent defense, lack of commitment to rebounding, and apparent belief that he can circumvent team obligations indicate that he’s more interested in doing what he pleases than what’s best for the team. It comes off as lazy and self absorbed, which is frustrating coming from a player who clearly has a sharp mind to go with great physical tools and skills. It’s not that he doesn’t care, it’s that he doesn’t care about the right things.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed but you forgot

about how he let school get in the way of working out 2 summers ago. And i know some of you will give him a pass as it was for school but you go to school to get a job not to get in the way of your job. And he’ll have plenty of time for all the schooling he wants in 15 years.

by passionforPERPS on Jul 9, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember that

i remember that bothering me a lot as well as choosing not to work on his game in Sacramento with the coaching staff. I mean, people can multitask, but if this is your job, you would think he would put more work into it.

by kingsfan300 on Jul 9, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He made a promise to his parents that if he made the NBA he would still get his degree

That’s a personal decision. If you see a lot of the Kings.com “fluff” pieces on Spencer, they mention that. Its not really even his choice. I don’t blame the guy for keeping a promise to his parents.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true.

I believe Troy Aikman just graduated from UCLA. I assume that means he wasn’t ditching out on mini-camps and other team obligations prior to his retirement.

by cabz on Jul 9, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not his choice just his life?

I do blame him, I blame him for coming into that season way underweight and out of shape. Its like a i said you go to school to get a job, Its the reason Bill Gates only has honorary degrees, his job didnt require one, neither does Spencer’s.

by passionforPERPS on Jul 12, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the freaking Summer League!

The Vegas Summer League exists to allow teams to basically scout young talent that they want to see in game situations. By all accounts, this isn’t very organized ball and certainly doesn’t exist for a long enough duration for extensive coaching of players. Short of an injury ot a young player, nothing from this two weeks of barely organized games will affect the Kings win total. Donte Greene went off for 50 in one game last summer, and scored 209 for his entire rookie season! So lets not overvalue this league or Hawes’ absence from it.

by PurplePurple on Jul 9, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

True

We wouldn’t want Spencer to spend a few weeks getting instruction from Pete Carrill, would we?

Sorry, as long as it’s important to Petrie and Westphal, and as long as the players are getting paid enormous amounts of money, it should be important to the Spencer Hawes of the world.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Summer League really doesn't matter

Let’s get Geoff Petrie’s take:

Certainly a good part of what we were trying to accomplish is to prepare those (players) better for the start of training camp and let the coaching staff get their first feel of them as players, and they can start to put in things that they’re going to do in fall camp. I think it’s valuable and completely productive.

Hmm…

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Checkmate

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As

long as he busts ass during training camp and the regular season, this doesn’t bug me at all.

Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.

by what_the_crap on Jul 9, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought

Spencer was taking classes right now?

Missing Summer League is his option… the way in wich he skipped out may have been handled better but it is still his option. Call me when Training Camp Starts.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

let's see...option 1: continue to be a student at uw? or option 2: go to work in vegas for a few weeks?

he’s enjoying his vacation from his j-o-b and doesn’t want to give it up. he’s 20, living in his home town (which, speaking in terms of the weather, is the exact opposite of vegas) and enjoying college life. that’s the real story. back when i was a 20 year old, i would’ve made the same decision.

i think it’s fair to question his commitment, but if he’s improving his game in seattle than this is really a mute point. whatever the case, this up coming season will ultimately tell all. if he produces, he could do whatever the hell he wants to during his off season. if he doesn’t produce, trade or cut his ass.

"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."

by kingsbruins02 on Jul 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
he’s 20, living in his home town … and enjoying college life. that’s the real story.

I thought he was referring to a chick as well when I saw the phrase “family commitment”. Good call.

In all seriousness, however:

back when i was a 20 year old, i would’ve made the same decision.

When I was 20 I wouldn’t have done anything to jeopardize a multi-million-dollar career. If that meant taking no chances participating in something like Summer League, I would have said so immediately, and still been at any/all official job functions requested by my bosses.

All that said, I’m glad to know he’s going to show up, even if it’s not to play.

by smgmatt on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

smgmatt, when we were 20 year olds, you were much more mature than i was. :)

i would’ve probably blown through the muli-millions too. :)

"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."

by kingsbruins02 on Jul 9, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership and commitment

This was an opportunity to show those qualities on a team he knows desperately needs both.
Its not a complicated idea.
He’s letting himself, the team and everyone else down and I don’t like it one bit.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 9, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you!

That is exactly my point. We all know Spence can ball when he wants to and that he is young and valuable to this team.
Its these intangibles though that he seems to be lacking and that coupled with a 17 win season is why Im pissed. I would think he would expect more, just as we do.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we're missing the obvious subplot here

The Kings should sign Brad Miller again to keep Spencer in check!

Dip til I rip

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by Muff209 on Jul 9, 2009 10:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

According to Brockman, Hawes has been working hard.

“I’ve been working out with him almost every day in Seattle,” Brockman said after Wednesday’s second practice. "He just had some other stuff going on that he could not miss, and I think he’s a little banged up just from – he’s been working really hard.
“He’s been working really hard in the weight room and on the court, so you know I’m a little disappointed (he’s not here) but I think we’ll get a chance to see him here at some point. I think he’ll be down here in a little bit.”

- Jon Brockman as told to Sam Amick in the Bee Blog

by Devastation Co. MMA on Jul 9, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally!!

Some contradictory evidence to what everyone here’s been bitching about….could you perhaps provide the link to the interview? Thanks in advance!! And Rec’d once that link comes up! =D

by DowJones on Jul 9, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fail

Everyone’s been complaining that he didn’t go to the mini camp, mostly because it hurts the team.

Glad he’s been working out, and all, but it’s not the same thing.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 10, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right...

got too excited for a bit but at least now we know he isn’t shaq 2.0 in terms of work ethic…

by DowJones on Jul 10, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

I don’t think anyone here is implying that. I think there’s a lot of frustration because of this particular incident (added to the refusal to do the conditioning test last year). No more, no less.

by eduardo_m7 on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, sorry

But I wasn’t agreeing with you. I was saying that everyone has been complaining that he didn’t go to the minicamp or participate in summer league, and that is a legitimate beef because it could hurt or at least diminish the progress of the team.

Working out in a gym with a buddy is not the same as working out with a coach and your teammates.

Spencer should have put aside his own schedule/pride/whatever for the good of the team, and to show he can be a leader.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So....

Let me see if I understand. Spencer playing under Pete Carril, who he’s learned under for two years, is going to improve during two weeks of Vegas ball playing with guys who won’t be on the team. Brilliant.

If Hawes weren’t on the orster, no one would have blinked. K-Mart isn’t there, does he not care about the Kings? This is an ‘introduction to the NBA’ mini-league. Look at other team’s rosters, and you’ll recognize a few names of rookies, sophomores, and retreads…and a bunch of unknowns who’ll be serving you Whoppers and fries before long. If young Kings want to play, great. If not, I’m telling you, it won’t affect the Kings’ season at ALL. Hell, Westphal isn’t even coaching!!

by PurplePurple on Jul 9, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...duh

If he wasn’t on the roster, no one would have blinked. If he wasn’t on the roster, Geoff Petrie and Paul Westphal would not have been disappointed. If he went for 25 and 10 last year, no would be complaining.

And if I won the lottery, I wouldn’t be sitting here typing this message from an office, I’d be typing it from a tropical beach somewhere.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

P.S.

If K-Mart was eligible to be at Summer League, my guess is he would be there…and be there early.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.

by what_the_crap on Jul 9, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the point

Nice strawman though.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn straight!

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woops

That was to Otis’s comment. Damn reply button!

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just proof of how little Kings news there is

We’re completely blowing this shit out of proportion Was Spencer a little irresponsible and could he have communicated better? Yes! Is he suddenly a terrible player with no work ethic whatsoever who needs to be traded? No. This is all a little ridiculous folks.

Can we just give all of our cap space to Nate Robinson and Channing Frye already so we can have something actually worth bitching about on here?

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by vfettke on Jul 9, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It just seems that...

after last years conditioning test debacle Spencer would have learned to conduct himself more professionally and respectfully.
If he had come straight out and said “thanks but no thanks” prior to camp opening, we wouldnt be bitching so much. It just shows a trend of being irresponsible to the team IMO.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Jul 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simple mistake

Spence obviously just forgot to put the Summer League on his calendar. So when his buddy asked him to be his best man this weekend, Spencer was like “Of course man, I’ll be there, my calendar’s clear”.

Always put it on the calendar, Spencer. And use a red pen for important stuff.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 9, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've always said

Give Spencer Hawes a couple of years and a Palm Pilot and that kid will be an allstar.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Summer League??

Come on man we talking about practice?? Practice?? Not a Game we talking about practice?? HAHAHA I had to do it. Summer league is important for development of a player, but this isn’t the season get real with all this trade Spencer crap it’s not that serious how many players haven’t ducked off season’s and been quite fine. That’s fine for veterans not sure about Spence’s case. I think it’s more important he should be in weight room more than on the summer league court schooling guys that won’t make NBA rosters that’s my opinion.

by dj3ptspecialist44 on Jul 9, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He can't do both?

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are the same uninformed opinions that elect our presidents, frightening!

Two offhand comments by two FO people, and a vague comment by a sports writer who hadn’t talked to Spencer yet. America the land where a man is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jul 9, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good grief

Poor Spencer, I hope he doesn’t end up with a felony on his record!

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

We’re not talking about whether or not Hawes committed a crime, we’re talking about whether or not he made a poor choice. Clearly Geoff Petrie and Paul Westphal think he did, as they gave on-the-record quotes to that effect to the Kings beat writer at the biggest newspaper in town (i.e. in the least offhand way possible).

Maybe Spencer’s reasons for missing are legitimate. It’s impossible to say, given the vagueness of his excuse. But the reaction from the two most important non-players in the Kings organization tells us that, if nothing else, Spencer failed completely at communicating his choice correctly.

by furious.d on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess.

I know that Spencer missed the beginning of summer league because a close family member was getting married out of town.

I do agree that he apparently didn’t do the best job of communicating with the team. If I had to guess, based on what I know of Spencer, he was simply conflicted about whether to play or honor his family — and he ultimately just waited until the last minute to get off the fence.

Just my two cents.

by TuBob Shakur on Jul 14, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The lesson here

Is whatever doesn’t happen in Vegas, should stay in Vegas.

by PurplePurple on Jul 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think this article jumps to some serious conclusions and reeks of sensationalism. I want to say Ailenesque, but maybe that’s too harsh? Anyway, it’s similar to the flavor of the week articles she tends to put out.

A conclusion like, “he cares as much about basketball as I do about pushing papers” just seems a little ridiculous. Especially based on 3 passive aggressive sentences from Geoff Petrie. The reason I don’t think it works is that you’re drawing so many conclusions about someone’s character and motives, without even getting their side of the story. You’re also taking just one, isolated, week-long incident and using it to judge Hawes’ as a person (his commitment to the game), while ignoring the last 10-15 years that he’s been playing basketball and all the hard work he’s put into it. You don’t ever get to the point he is at right now if you consider basketball as interesting as “pushing papers”.

The only thing I do agree with is that a week into the season, Hawes will probably be playing so well everyone will forget anything ever happened, and we’ll probably read articles about what a bright future he has instead.

by cbsf on Jul 9, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

After coming back to this article a few hours later

And reading all the debate, I’ve come to the conclusion that we’re all going to forget about this at about 3 pm tomorrow when we’re being amazed by Tyreke Evans.

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by Aykis16 on Jul 9, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For being seriously realistic but yeah, let’s trade Spencer!!!

On a more serious note, anyone think Petrie will forgive Spencer when it comes time for his extension (If GP hasn’t retired that is)?

by DowJones on Jul 9, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course we will

Just like we forgot about the conditioning thing last year.

Although this whole thing makes me wonder where Spencer’s head is at sometimes, I can’t forget how well he and JT played together down the stretch last season. Add one more decent low post player, and you’ve got your front court for the next 5 seasons at least.

StR noobs: More oxygen, less THC please.

by otis29 on Jul 9, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes Missing Summer League

I understand why some people are disappointed that Spencer is skipping summer league. However, I think it’s unfair to jump to conclusions about Spencer’s attitude because he’s skipping summer league:

First, most third-year players skip summer league.

Second, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to judge Spencer’s attitude relative to the attitudes of the biggest basketball junkies in the NBA today — e.g., Kobe Bryant. Stated differently, just about everyone’s hoops-related attitude is bad compared to Kobe’s. Also, if you know Spencer Hawes and/or his history, you know that he comes from a basketball family and he has a deep respect and love for the game. I mean, he obviously isn’t an awesome “athlete,” and he’s been successful by working hard to develop and refine true basketball “skills.”

Finally, just FYI, I know for a fact that Spencer had important family commitments at the beginning of the summer league. It wasn’t just a BS excuse. And, I think it’s admirable that he’s prioritizing his family. His family has helped him to achieve his success, and he has a tight family. And seriously, how many of you would miss a close family member’s out-of-town wedding because of work? Not many. If you’re going to blame anyone for the sitation, blame Spencer’s family member for selfishly scheduling a wedding that conflicted with the beginning of summer league…. :)

Just my two cents.

by TuBob Shakur on Jul 14, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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