'The Kings Would Starve'
Thomas Friedman wrote a column for the New York Times this week which, in the process of trumpeting Tom Watson's near-victory at the British Open, questioned whether NBA players would shoot free throws better if, like golf, salary were based completely on performance day-to-day.
Golf is all about individual character. The ball is fixed. No one throws it to you. You initiate the swing, and you alone have to live with the results. There are no teammates to blame or commiserate with. Also, pro golfers, unlike baseball, football or basketball players, have no fixed salaries. They eat what they kill. If they score well, they make money. If they don't, they don't make money. I wonder what the average N.B.A. player's free-throw shooting percentage would be if he had to make free throws to get paid the way golfers have to make three-foot putts?
TrueHoop's Henry Abbott pointed this out and made a most excellent joke about what would happen if the NBA did indeed adopt a more golf-like pay system.
The Kings would starve!
Would they? Time for a thought experiment. How much would each King make if paid according to results in lieu of pre-set salaries?
The league took in $3.6 billion in basketball-related income last season, according to Larry Coon. The collective bargaining agreement has a rule in place to give players a max of 57% of BRI. This season, that was $2 billion. Basketball is a team sport, so let's assign each team's player salary by wins. There were 1,230 regular season wins this year. (Let's ignore the postseason, for the sake of simplicity. Let's imagine there is some extra pot of revenue which can reward players for making and doing well in the playoffs.)
Take each team's win total, divide by total league wins, and take that portion of total player salaries to assess much each team would dole out.
| Team | Wins | % of Lg Wins | Tm Salary (in mil) |
| Cleveland Cavaliers* | 66 | 5.37% | 107.32 |
| Los Angeles Lakers* | 65 | 5.28% | 105.69 |
| Boston Celtics* | 62 | 5.04% | 100.81 |
| Orlando Magic* | 59 | 4.80% | 95.93 |
| Portland Trail Blazers* | 54 | 4.39% | 87.8 |
| Denver Nuggets* | 54 | 4.39% | 87.8 |
| San Antonio Spurs* | 54 | 4.39% | 87.8 |
| Houston Rockets* | 53 | 4.31% | 86.18 |
| Dallas Mavericks* | 50 | 4.07% | 81.3 |
| New Orleans Hornets* | 49 | 3.98% | 79.67 |
| Utah Jazz* | 48 | 3.90% | 78.05 |
| Atlanta Hawks* | 47 | 3.82% | 76.42 |
| Phoenix Suns | 46 | 3.74% | 74.8 |
| Miami Heat* | 43 | 3.50% | 69.92 |
| Chicago Bulls* | 41 | 3.33% | 66.67 |
| Philadelphia 76ers* | 41 | 3.33% | 66.67 |
| Detroit Pistons* | 39 | 3.17% | 63.41 |
| Indiana Pacers | 36 | 2.93% | 58.54 |
| Charlotte Bobcats | 35 | 2.85% | 56.91 |
| New Jersey Nets | 34 | 2.76% | 55.28 |
| Milwaukee Bucks | 34 | 2.76% | 55.28 |
| Toronto Raptors | 33 | 2.68% | 53.66 |
| New York Knickerbockers | 32 | 2.60% | 52.03 |
| Golden State Warriors | 29 | 2.36% | 47.15 |
| Minnesota Timberwolves | 24 | 1.95% | 39.02 |
| Memphis Grizzlies | 24 | 1.95% | 39.02 |
| Oklahoma City Thunder | 23 | 1.87% | 37.4 |
| Washington Wizards | 19 | 1.54% | 30.89 |
| Los Angeles Clippers | 19 | 1.54% | 30.89 |
| Sacramento Kings | 17 | 1.38% | 27.64 |
| TOTALS | 1230 | 100.00% | 2000 |
So the top team by regular season performance -- the Cavs -- would split $107.3 million, while the worst -- our SacraMENTO KINGS! -- would split $27.6 million. Hmm.
How to divy it up? Win Shares, created for baseball by Bill James and calculated for basketball by Justin Kubatko of Basketball-Reference, would seem to do the trick. Win Shares is not a perfect system, but it's the best currently available, in my estimation.
But we can't have players like Donte Greene and Bobby Brown -- players who finished the season with negative Win Shares -- earning, um, negative salary. (Greene would have owed the Kings $1.5 million this season!) We need a minimum salary. Currently, minimum salary is based on years of service -- the minimum salary for a 10-year vet ($1.3 million) is higher than for a minimum-salaried rookie ($440,000). Let's make it easier and standardize it: $1 million. And let's imagine players who earn only minimum salary do so on the teams they end the season with, unless they are cut. So Brown and Shelden Williams get paid by Minnesota. Let's eliminate Drew Gooden from the equation, but keep Quincy Douby on the books. Lose Will Solomon, because seriously, ta' hell with Will Solomon.
| Player | WS | % of Tm WS | Salary |
| Kevin Martin | 4.9 | 23.22% | 6.42 |
| John Salmons | 3 | 14.22% | 3.93 |
| Jason Thompson | 2.8 | 13.27% | 3.67 |
| Brad Miller | 2.6 | 12.32% | 3.41 |
| Francisco Garcia | 2.4 | 11.37% | 3.14 |
| Beno Udrih | 1.3 | 6.16% | 1.7 |
| Bobby Jackson | 1.2 | 5.69% | 1.57 |
| Andres Nocioni | 0.9 | 4.27% | 1.18 |
| Rashad McCants | 0.9 | 4.27% | 1.18 |
| Mikki Moore | 0.8 | 3.79% | 1.05 |
| Spencer Hawes | 0.8 | 3.79% | 1.05 |
| Ike Diogu | 0.6 | 2.84% | 0.79 |
| Kenny Thomas | 0.1 | 0.47% | 0.13 |
| Calvin Booth | 0.1 | 0.47% | 0.13 |
| Cedric Simmons | -0.1 | -0.47% | -0.13 |
| Quincy Douby | -0.1 | -0.47% | -0.13 |
| Donte Greene | -1.1 | -5.21% | -1.44 |
| TOTAL | 21.1 | 100.00% | 27.64 |
So we have six players who would qualify for the minimum salary (although Ike Diogu, on the backs of three f'n games, nearly earned his $1 million ... unbelievable). Let's say the league pays the difference between salary owed from the team's share and minimum salary. Kevin Martin shouldn't have to help pay for Greene's performance, in other words.
Exactly one King would benefit from the golf system: Jason Thompson, who would go from $1.9 million to $3.7 million. Kevin Martin would lose more than $2 million, John Salmons would come out a little ahead based on his Chicago share, Spencer Hawes would lose half his salary, Francisco Garcia would lose $2 million, Beno Udrih would lose some $4 million. And of course, ol' Kenny Thomas would get murdered by this system.
So the players wouldn't exactly starve, but they wouldn't be earning nearly as much as they do under the current system. Meanwhile, a player like LeBron James would make a killing: $32.7 million. Dwyane Wade would have made $23 million. It's a system which could never work without completely destroying and rebuilding the NBA as we know it, but if you destroyed and rebuilt the NBA as we know it, it might work. It's certainly the boldest revenue sharing suggestion I've ever seen.
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Back to Friedman's column for a second: I must say it's the first time I've heard it argued that golf is a less privileged sport than basketball. It'd be interesting to see a study breaking down how much golf earnings are won by hot streaks as opposed to continued brilliance, in comparison with the NBA, where generally speaking the best veteran players earn the most money. An odd argument for Friedman to make, surely.
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Am I the only person wondering what happens to the game when....
….everyone is gunning for their own points? Oh wait, that never ever happens.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But
Points do not equal win shares. A lot of it is defense, actually. Err half of it is defense. And a good portion of the defensive part of Win Shares is team defense, not the individual defense stats (though there’s a good bit of that too).
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that
You know that. Do players?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather and try to convert you to Newt Gingrich's philosphy on life
So, no.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet their agents could - and would have to in order to stay their agents and get their cut
“Amar’e, you have to play defense to earn the full paycheck. Grab those boards.”
“What?! You mean ”http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/7/30/969537/amare-asks-if-he-can-win-in-phoenix" target="new">like the fans have told me for years?"
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link fail http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/7/30/969537/amare-asks-if-he-can-win-in-phoenix
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you knew how to link you wouldn't have it fail
:)
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by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll know it when they get their paychecks
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by vfettke on Aug 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's it going to change?
I mean I realize this is somewhat a joke, but, how do you compare a team game to an individual one?
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by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fark golf
Any game that has to be played in absolute silence with no defense isn’t a sport. It’s a highly skilled endeavor, but it ain’t a sport.
And the course isn’t a defense, any more than the third base bag or the 50-yard line is a defense.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Aug 1, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean golf isn't a sport?

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Aug 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I can't wait for training camp to start
So we have something more substantial to talk about.
by thekangarooster on Aug 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really sorry
Don’t mean to take up your day with unsubstantial matters. I can tell you there is not going to be anything substantial, in all likelihood, until the last week of September. You can set an alarm if you like.
(Sorry if I seem snarky, but it’s quite insulting to have someone comment on your work “man, this is irrelevant” when said work is offered for free and is actually rather relevant to the given subject of the place in which it is published. I’m not here writing Sailor Moon fanfic, right?)
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if I offended
I do appreciate all the great work you and others do here. I’m just really anxious to see what the new team can do.
by thekangarooster on Aug 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would read the shit out of some Sailor Moon fanfic, bro
get to work!
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by vfettke on Aug 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Ziller invents "cutting day" for team owners cutting each and every single minimum salary guy at the end of the season
And let’s imagine players who earn only minimum salary do so on the teams they end the season with, unless they are cut.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 1, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
I mean players who are cut, like Douby, earn the min salary from the team they were cut from. You couldn’t get away with that.
However, I will admit there are 10,000,000 loopholes in this, and I don’t advocate for it. Better revenue sharing, yes. A nuclear bomb, no.
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better revenue sharing?
This I’d like to see what you propose. Unless you’ve done it on fanhouse recently and I missed it (haven’t been reading fanhouse at all lately—or much of anything actually).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the trifecta Simmons – Bucher – Stein discussed that briefly on their last podcast. That the owners would try to get salaries down and that the players association might have to agree, but only if they get tied into improving revenues later as well and not some salary freeze. And maybe until then get better non-salary incentives (e.g. for rehabbing injuries) so the players at least feel like they got something although they pretty clearly will have to accept some cuts in 2011.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what happens
The NBA will still be around. Most of these people, journalists included, not including people like TZ or Dave, are pampered assholes. Do I really care what most of them think? Not so much, in fact.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it. Otherwise if there was away around it, owners would do it. About every player with a not fully guaranteed deal gets waived these days, just this week before August 1 quite a few.
By the way, I would like the idea of “negative salary” for a player who really rather hurt than helped his team. At least considering the loss of all bonuses. Less guaranteed years and more bonuses and less exceptions could be an outcome of the next CBA, with the superstars earning more and the minimum to average player earning a bit less if he only plays below average.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 1, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If there’s a way, teams will find it.
Incentive-laden contracts as a general are good, though I really don’t like the NFL salary rules much. Too much room for franchise maliciousness.
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA for all of its' faults - and there are many
are the most player friendly, in my view, of the American major sports leagues. Baseball, is such a mess, I don’t bother with it until World Series time. One team with a $185M salary another with $35M? Just not that interesting. You end up with the small markets building farm teams for the major markets.
The NFL? Bonus up front, franchise players, hard cap, but you can waive anyone. But the TV revenue is huge and well shared by the owners.
The NHL? Versus.
MLS? …………………..
The NBA has a good thing going, has their sites on the world and it is a realistic inclusion. The player contracts have been re-shaped but the continue to morph and evolve but change is slow – the unceilinged rookie contract, superstar contract was a HUGE card to topple off of the heap. The players had an advantage for a while, now the ball is bouncing into the owners’ court a little more favorably when CBA 2011 arrives. The NBA also has the Euro leagues and other world leagues to help balance player value.
Nice post TZ. rec’d
by betweentheeyes on Aug 1, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signed up to say:
As soon as I read that truehoop story I thought of win shares and hoped someone might do this! Fantastic job TZ. Any chance of the data for other teams?
by gpallis on Aug 1, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One question might be:
I wonder what effect this would have on glue-guy players like, say, Ariza, whom I imagine the system favours (correct me if I’m wrong). Would they become even less likely to go to the worse teams that need them more?
One definite effect would be the total death of the halfcourt buzzer-beater.
by gpallis on Aug 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I’m not sure the halfcourt buzzer beater would die, because the chance at getting your team another win far exceeds the minimal effect on FG%.
It’d be a tricky balance for guys like Ariza. On a good team getting 25 minutes versus a mediocre team getting 35 minutes — a larger pot of WS to take from or a larger share of whatever pot. Tricky.
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with the system now?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A worthy question
If teams didn’t bid against themselves to give players awful contracts, this wouldn’t be such a problem.
by LPKingsFan on Aug 1, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the players fault?
Or the owners fault?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh – I hadn’t realised something really clever about your system, which is that unlike the WP metric, it actually does reward the last-second game-winning three more than the garbage time three. It even rewards it more if you’re the team’s star than if you’re sitting on the bench, being Calvin Booth, which makes sense, because that’s the guy who probably takes the shot.
by gpallis on Aug 1, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guarenteed contracts ruin the NBA
Some players get their money, then, suddenly, their game seems to disappear all of a sudden.
NBA contracts should only be half guaranteed…the rest should be up to the owners to decide. Pay the players they wanna keep, don’t pay the players they want to get rid of. Everyone would suddenly start playing for their money instead of running to the bank with it and pulling a Marbury or K9.
by CloudyEyes on Aug 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh the brilliance is starting to seep out.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would you be better off to be a crappy player on a winning team
or a great player on a poor team? In this calculation would a winning team just keep getting better players or could a great player have a huge winning share on a lousy team and still make good money?
Basically do the rich get richer?
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Aug 1, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
That’s entirely it.
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by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was thinking
If you were getting paid for how many games your team won, why would you ever leave a good team for a bad one? This system would bring even less parity to the league.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
by Big ZK on Aug 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much talent it would attract as well
It would be a great way to make the NCAA and European Leagues more lucrative though.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 1, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It be based on your next year
The best player on a bad team might make more than the third or fourth best on a good team, because you’re getting a bigger share of the pot, most likely.
Again, it’d be a balance, and it’s completely unsuitable right now.
by Ziller on Aug 1, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo Turkoglu
Was third on the Magic in win share last year with 7.4 (behind Howard and Lewis). On Toronto, he would still be third (behind Bosh and Calderon). I understand these are last years stats, but I don’t think its always the case that if you go to a worse team your “status” improves (as in going from the fourth best player to the second best, especially when you get into role players.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
by Big ZK on Aug 1, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for players earning their salary: GREAT POST
I’m tired of players giving 100% during a contract year, and then coasting through seasons when guaranteed money is waiting for them. They don’t realize how good they have it. Working out and playing basketball and getting paid for it.
I’m sure there is no perfect system, but the one they’re running now sure ain’t perfect either.
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 1, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lookout for lawsuits
Yeah, players earning their salary, good idealism, but so flawed because unlike Golf, Bball has limited minutes a night. What is to stop a guy like K9 to sue the team / coaches for not putting him in the game to earn the necessary money to stop starving.
He could earn so much more he would contend, and then point out at the inferior play of his teammates that he is being kept out of his position even though he is more qualified to play in that position, that he is being discriminated against, why don’t the coaches put him in the game, give him a shot at earning his keep?
Also, if teams are trying to save money (a.k.a luxury tax prevention), what’s to stop the luxury taxed teams from ‘saving a few bucks’ here and there by sitting out players or giving players like LeBron 5 minute cameos in games that don’t matter to bring down his ‘performance/stats/win share’ and save money? Wouldn’t that be filed under, ‘throwing the game’?
And what would the fans think if they still had to pay the same ridiculous prices for a bad team, whose players are being paid very poorly, while team owners & execs who contribute zero wins to this team are being paid millions?
The current system is fine. Paying players for ‘performance effort’ is like paying your kid for grades. At what point will your kid start cheating instead of studying? At what point will players start ‘cheating’ (like baseball) to boost their game?
Moving at the speed of molasses.
by elfboy_ on Aug 1, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
sigh, guilty on not replying the first time...sorry
clever call elfboy, rec’d
I think Sprewell’s choking PJ may be more popular a tactic ("I got to feed my kids"). There is no simple solution – you would also be talking about controlling owners pocketbooks, for as I had mentioned previously, they are often their own worst enemies.
The player/coach/GM/owner dynamic would evolve from GoFish to Bridge. Agents and players would hire their own data geeks (if they haven’t already). They could fight with TZ and Daryl Morey every July
by betweentheeyes on Aug 2, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's assuming that the team's revenue under this type of system remains consistant.
If the owners compensation was based on something so that teams would be getting additional or some type of incentive payments, I believe you would see more franchises who are “in it to win it” and this type of system might make sense. There are teams in every league where the owner are merely fielding a team that is not rebuilding mode or contending now mode, content to field a team and get their share of the leagues revenue stream. In the NBA, just off the top of my head , take a look at Donald Sterling, owner of the Clips or Chris Cohan, owner of the dubs.
Do the rich get richer? The rich always get richer! Great post TZ. I for one am grateful for anything you post, especially this time of year.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Aug 2, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players in the league should be barred from sueing their teams.
They should be allowed to leave the NBA at any time and join the work force at their discretion if they are not happy about their playing time.
I don’t think there would be a shortage of players lining up to fill the rosters of the players that leave (given there was a minimum salary).
To follow your analogy of paying your kids for their grades: right now it’s like paying a kid lots of money up front before school starts and whether or not they fail every class or get straight A’s they get paid the same. You don’t think students would say “I already have the money, why try?”
I know salary based on performance would never happen, BUT how nice would it be to give players an incentive to give 100% on the court.?
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 2, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't plenty of incentive for that now? (For the players to give 100%?)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some players give 100% all the time while others
seem to play harder during contract years (or the situation is right). Before a player gets a guaranteed contract there is a lot of incentive, after not so much (especially if it’s a multi-year deal)
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 2, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name me a work place situation where that isn't true?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The united fructose corn syrup workers of America
yea, ok, it’s pretty much true for every workplace situation.
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch what you say about my employer!
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Aug 2, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm, fructose

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by section214 on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go work there then
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, no thanks ;-)
I don’t have the type of personality needed in order be successful in sales. Just because my lips are moving doesn’t mean I’m lying. :-)
by hozr on Aug 4, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
clever call elfboy, rec'd
I think Sprewell’s choking PJ may be more popular a tactic (“I got to feed my kids”). There is no simple solution – you would also be talking about controlling owners pocketbooks, for as I had mentioned previously, they are often their own worst enemies.
The player/coach/GM/owner dynamic would evolve from GoFish to Bridge. Agents and players would hire their own data geeks (if they haven’t already). They could fight with TZ and Daryl Morey every July.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 1, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sprewell
You’re mixing up your Sprewell events. The feeding of the kids was during a contract negotiation. The choking was a result of not having enough mustard on his passes.
Either way, great article, Ziller
by mrspree15 on Aug 2, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know separate incidents
the one with the Warriors the other with the TWolves and $14M – but he is still Sprewell. Name your incident, excuse, reaction. He is out of the league, but his spirit lives on…
by betweentheeyes on Aug 2, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was to happen in the NBA
The European basketball teams would be very happy. Imagine how happy such teams would be with Marbury being benched by the Knicks. No offense to Marbury’s intelligence, but he seems to be only good at playing basketball (although his 15$ shoes did last me a good 3 months) and he’d be forced to move to Europe for a subpar contract JUST to get paid.
This would end with more than just Childress going to Europe… many more would follow which would make the NBA much less interesting to the fans.
by Slaaam on Aug 2, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The trend to Europe lasted about 6 months
Yeah, it’s still attractive to D-League players, good college players not getting drafted or at least not drafted high, etc. But after the economic downturn also hit Greek shipbuilders and Russian oil moguls it’s not exactly rosy in Europe anymore. We are talking teams with a long history going broke and getting relegated to the amateurs in the second or third league in some countries (Italy, Germany, …). 30% pay cuts across the board, and that starting from a much lower level. The French club with the highest salary roll (part owner: Tony Parker) couldn’t afford the end of the bench of the Kings: Budget for next season is €7.1 million. The small teams have to work with 2.5.
To give you some examples that I know from the Blazers: Unsigned first round draft pick Petteri Koponen made less than $500K last year playing for a top team in Italy, and now his team tries to negotiate less or will cut him. Joel Freeland signed a contract for 5 years for €4.5 million. That is fine, but much much less than what even end of rotation players make in the NBA once they are off their rookie deals. And Childress didn’t exactly dominate in Europe, so the owners aren’t all that inclined to sign more NBA players at the moment.
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by Norsktroll on Aug 2, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I've never been a fan of Thomas Friedman
He likes free markets but always has the wrong ideas about free markets.
Seriously, this proposal makes no sense and the comparison to golf makes no sense. In golf, the golfer is his own owner, GM, coach and competitor thus performance is completely his/her shoulders.
But under Friedman’s plan the players would take a salary hit for poor performance that might actually be attributed to owner, GM or coach. Are you telling the Clippers are going to clean their act up because the players are getting tired of being paid last place wages every season? No, the Clippers front office is just going to adjust to their business plan to be profitable under last place wages and never make an effort to compete with the elite . . . a concept Friedman often misses when he talks about opening up markets to induce more competition.
Thanks for the radical idea again Tom. Most would agree the NBA just needs to take a look at the NFL and do away with guaranteed contracts. That would be enough to get the player’s competitive juices flowing to their max.
by bignerd on Aug 2, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you sign a player?
Wouldn’t every good player end up with the others in NY or LA?
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by hobobob on Aug 3, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is what is called
Major League Baseball
by betweentheeyes on Aug 3, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
I don’t know how Friedman missed that in his research.
by bignerd on Aug 3, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the NFL is a more interesting model
And applies better than golf. The none guaranteed contract might work for the NBA. But the NFL deals with extreme specialization. An offensive lineman cannot also be a kicker. And there are a lot more players of lesser talent in pro football than basketball.
The NFL is more of a coaches league than a players league. Contracts don’t have to be guaranteed because there are a lot more nearly as good people to replace in football.
I think the problem, if any, in the NBA is not so much with the players as it is the owners and how they make money. The players are what drives this league, not the system or the coach or the brand.
by Ice_9ine on Aug 4, 2009 12:44 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

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