Getting Spencer Hawes to the Line
Our friend section214 section215 talked Rorschach ice cream tests with Paul Westphal on Friday, and one of the takeaways was that the coach wants to find ways to get Spencer Hawes to the line more. Why? Free throws are among the most efficient ways to score. Five trips to the line will almost always result in more points than five field goal attempts ... for almost every player in the league. Further, foul trouble can eliminate opponent defenders, and the more fouls a team draws the quick the opponent is in the penalty, begetting further free throws.
So yes, Coach Westphal is right on in calling for better foul-drawing from Hawes. This is an area where Jason Thompson is much further ahead. To wit:
We'll look at shot types for the pair later this week. Of course, the frequency with which a player shoots from the lane is part of it. Westphal discussed that, commenting that the staff would seek to get Hawes more paint touches. But that's not the entirety of the issue.
Offensive rebounding is a big driver of free throws -- when you pull down an offensive board, you're in great position (near the rim, most likely) to get fouled. (The numbers bear this out: league-wide, free throw frequency and offensive rebounds per minute have a 0.44 correlation coefficient.) Getting back on defense is important, but hitting the offensive glass is a huge boon for offensive efficiency. The staff will have to decide how to balance the issues, and Hawes himself will have to make strides in fighting for contested rebounds. That will help brings these free throw numbers up, and make the Kings more potent on offense.
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There are multiple problems here
One, is that Spencer Hawes hasn’t exactly had a coherent system to work with. So, when you ask him to play 20 feet away from the basket for 15 mins a game, it will lower his FT attempts. If the Kings coaching staff didn’t keep changing their mind, with what seemed like every other game, I might believe that Spencer is ALL of the problem.
The truth is that I think Spencer’s rate will go up by simply getting the ball closer to the basket more often. That, and getting stronger which will help him establish position a bit easier, I think will be the biggest improvements we will likely see.
Quite honestly, I don’t expect a great improvement in Spencer’s FT rate over his career. With Kevin Martin, and Tyreke Evans, it’s not something I think Spencer has to be top 5 in the league to be effective.
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by pookeyguru on Aug 16, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the other issue is that SHawes possess a very well adequate away from the basket game.
He seems to enjoy hoisitng 3 pointers. I don’t see him as Mehmet Okur (or Dirk Nowitzki) but the mutiple facets to his game – he is also a more than adequate passer – are also contributing factors here.
I foresee the need of a very tall but mobile small forward for this team. It is hopeful that Omri Casspi can play that role and be an offensive rebounder of note. Otherwise, the other small forward choices – Nocioni, Brockman, Garcia – are either too foot-slow on defense or like spending time around the arc on offense. Perhaps Tyreke Evans can help a bit on the offensive boards but that means he is half a court behind a run and gun offense.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 16, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing about Spencer is he doesn’t really have a good pump fake, and he has no vertical lift on his moves to the hoop, or under the hoop. So defenders are not really kept off balance, or forced to foul. He fades on his post moves, and avoids contact, hence no trips to the charity stripe.
If Spencer concentrates on being a more efficient O player, taking high percentage shots, and polishing up his post moves, the free throws will go up. He needs to work on his strength and quickness too., which will come with age and training. The better he becomes as an O player, the more FTs. Increasing his FTs should be a sub-goal within a larger goal of improved offensive efficiency.
Spencer will get more free throws with a pick and roll counterpart like Tyreke Evans, When Spencer rolls to the hole, Tyreke is big enough and smart enough to get him the ball in the sweet spot. (Beno is not really proficient in this skill.) Give Spencer the ball in an advantageous position rolling to the hole, we take full advantage of his size, shooting touch, and length, he will get more total points and FTs.
by bench_blob on Aug 16, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You bring up a good point
Spencer needs to make his moves far quicker than he did during last season. When he gets the ball he needs to take a dribble (or two at the most) and make a move that defenders have to respect. The more moves that defenders have to respect will make it easier for Shawes to create those opportunities.
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by pookeyguru on Aug 16, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought of that :)
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by lietothegirls on Aug 17, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who argued with you on that point?
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by pookeyguru on Aug 17, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spence seems a lot more comfortable 15 ft away from the basket
and even though he has some nice post moves they are not physical moves that will draw fouls. I don’t think this is a bad thing. If he’s able to draw the center away from the basket and let Tyreke and Martin do their thing, I’m all for it. He’s one of the better shooters on the team from 15 ft. So he ’s player that should be on the receiving in of a lot of drive and kicks.
The best scenario would be to become more physical and draw more fouls and also be a threat on the perimeter. Let J.T. and May clog up the middle (most of the time). That would be fine with me.
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by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 16, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should be pointed out that in Miller's time with the Kings last season
he took 2.5 shots per FT attempt. Basically the same as Jason, but Miller didn’t offensive rebound any better than Spencer(1.9 per game for each in 2 extra minutes for Brad).
Probably has something to do with blocking out on D and pump faking and taking it to the rim on O. Saw some of that from Brad last season.
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by Kfan in Korea on Aug 16, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawes in the low post?
I question this statement… Hawes getting more free throws sounds good and all, but is that really his game? Is he the typical low post Center who is in three pounding away and getting boards? I don’t think so. He is a big guy who can shoot and make baskets, but doesn’t seem to love getting physical. He has got skills and does need to develop other ways of scoring. It will be interesting to see, but I do hope that this team starts using players to their strengths and does not continue trying to get them to play their weakest part of their games.
Watch so many players try to play point and passer who should be scoring because Petrie can’t, really it is won’t, get any guard besides a shooting guard has really gotten old. Similarly, watching us get dominated by other team’s bigs because he refuses to get a true Center is just shameful. As a GM he should see what the team needs and get that talent… I mean come on.
by MustangMBS on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What true Center has he passed up?
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by pookeyguru on Aug 18, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is only 21
Are you saying that he is not going to develop further?
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by section214 on Aug 18, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
He should start doing that pump-fake, lumbering-drive, flail-like-a-dying pigeon-after-getting-blocked-by-a-PG routine that Miller did. Brad would get bailed out about half the time, and throw his headband into the crowd and not get back on D the other half. As a bonus: Sometimes you can even punch people as you flail. Man, am I glad he’s gone.
For reals tho: At the elbow, I think that Shawes should work on a pumpfake and then one or two dribble to finish move. Like Brad, defenses have to closeout on the jumper, and that’s the only way they can get around any defender. In the post-or after a rebound or loose ball-Spence almost has too many moves in his reportoir and might be better suited to feeling which might be more effective in a given situation and employing it alone. FINISH STONG! When he gets in trouble under the hoop he often does a sweet-post-move dance that goes nowhere.
by DustyG on Aug 18, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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