A Very Hypothetical Situation
by Big ZK on Aug 17, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
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Hello all. As you know it is the middle of the summer, and not a lot is happening in the basketball world. So I would like to present you with a somewhat interesting, extremely hypothetical situation.
Anyway, David Stern decides it is time to expand. He announces the formation of a new NBA franchise, lets call them the Northern Iowa Rivercats. The expansion draft is in one week. You are the Kings GM, and you need to pick which eight players we will be protecting and which will be thrown to the sharks Rivercats. Which eight players do you select?
I will give you the obvious ones:
-Spencer Hawes (unless of course you plan on getting rid of him ASAP in the event that he will soon be the NBAs most overpaid player.)
You can now choose four of the following to protect: Beno Udrih, Sergio Rodriguez, Francisco Garcia, Andres Nocioni, Omri Casspi, Donte Greene, Sean May, and of course, our man Kenny K9 (Woof!) Thomas. (An obvious selection in my opinion.)
Who do you protect and why?
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Since this is totally hypothetical (and hence bullshit) I'll go for it knowing it doesn't matter
You protect Greene, Casspi, Garcia and May. (You need bigs up front.) Everyone else is very easily expendable or not likely to be taken.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Greene over Sergio?
I think that is pretty much the question. Greene may have a bit more potential, but I think Sergio is more likely to live up to his potential. And it’d be nice to keep Sergio and see him in Westphal’s uptempo system.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Hmmm
Fun question. What’s pathetic is the fact that it’s hard to come up with 8.
Definitely Garcia. After that it gets tricky. Greene and Casspi have the most upside. Noc is the most likely to produce. Sergio has a lot going for him. May fills a spot we need filled. I might go Sergio, Greene, Casspi, and Garcia, just because it makes it more likely they would take Beno if Sergio is protected. Also because May is unlikely to be taken by an expansion team.
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I'm starting to think that Sergio is the NBA's version of
Weekend at Bernie’s in that we all think he’s alive but there hasn’t been any recent visible proof. If he’s alive in our hypothetical world I’d protect KTEC, Nocs, Cisco and Omri. I’m ready to kick myself for letting é go and KTEC would buy a bunch of Sean Mays.
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by Bluejohn on Aug 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd solely for the Weekend at Bernie's reference
Classic BJ.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What are you kidding?
Hell yes. You don’t throw away a young player like Greene for Sergio.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And quite honestly
I wouldn’t have protected May either. The 4 you mentioned (along with the 3 I put up) is the only players worth protecting on this roster.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sergio isn't a young player?
They are both young guys who haven’t gotten real chances to prove themselves. We have logjams at both of their positions. I don’t think its as obvious as you are saying.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Here's the difference
Sergio has a year left on his contract, and Donte has at least 3. What’s the point of keeping Sergio? (Oh god, it’s official: StR is NOW Bedger Jr.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You've been saying that for like a year now :p
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And everyday it's becoming more true
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Have you ever imagined a world without hypothetical situations?
Disclaimer: comments may have been made under the influence of alcohol. If the Kings start winning, this will probably change.
Hypothetically speaking?
Yes and No.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did you by chance
see that on Woody Paige’s chalkboard on Around the horn today?
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
OK
Starting with the guys that have value in excess of their contract:
Martin
Thompson
Hawes
Next, the two signed rookies (remember, Brockman is not signed yet:
Evans
Casspi
Next, cheap guys with upside:
Greene
Rodriguez
My 8th and final spot goes to Garcia, who has more value in relation to his contract than Nocioni and Udrih, and is far more valuable than May. Kenny Thomas has some value as an expiring contract, but Garcia’s talent > than KTEC.
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by section214 on Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
But I could also see Greene left unprotected in favor of Nocioni. I wouldn’t necessarily agree with it, but it would remind me of Gerald Wallace. Young, unproven talent. The development of Gerald Wallace is your worst case result.
At the same time, it is a different, developing team. When rebuilding, you keep your youth. You’re probably right (wow, it took a lot of words just to agree with you!).
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I agree with SB that it sucks that its hard to come up with a solid 8
Cisco (well worth his paycheck)
Casspi (don’t know why, just a gut feeling that seems to be shared by many)
Then it comes down to a guessing game about who other teams might grab of your somewhat desirable pieces. I doubt anyone takes beno, I think Noce might get taken as that Vet to guide the kids, I don’t see see KTEC in this scenario, Donte’ might possibly get taken – but I doubt it based on last season. Young teams needs PGs and having the choice between Beno and Sergio (in this scenario) I’d guess they go with Sergio. May is interesting because as Pookey mentioned you need another frontcourt player (something he was denying leading up to the draft [?]).
Hmmm
I guess I’d go for Sergio and Noce in the hope that they take Beno.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would losing Noce be a bad thing?
Wouldn’t that be like trading him to the Grizzlies for nothing (pre Z-Bo of course) – and wouldn’t that have made everyone pretty happy?
I think this is easy. Garcia, Greene, Casspi, Sergio. Cross your fingers and hope they don’t take May. Pray they pick up Beno and Noc.
Victory is tasty.
My picks exactly.
Nocioni has too Big a contract for an expansion team to take a flyer on.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
well first off - no way they would be called the Rivercats: maybe the FieldDreamers.
thus completing a Sacramento connection (with TIm Busfield).
Agree with you on the first four and will borrow Section’s reasoning and thus add Casspi to make 5.
I am not pro-Garcia but he gives known qualities and he is a keeper, but overpaid and the BYC thing is silly. Rodrguez is a keeper because he would be most likely chosen of the remaining 4 otherwise. That makes 7. I keep KTEC for the contract.
The rest of them: Andres Noce, Donté, Sean May, and of course Beno are simply, replaceable and you will have to plan to replace whomever is taken (the expanson team can only pick one and may pick none, there are 29 other teams). Whomever is the guy, their spot will be cheaply filled. Greene has shown nothing and there will probably be more interesting peices available- Northern Iowa is desperate for a championship contender right away (I have followed them on SB Nation since the beginning) and there are just so many guys you can gamble on, so a probably pass on Doratio Kane. Doubt it would be Beno, probably Noce for his history of passon. Also figure that the other teams have other such players that they had to make available and now that everyone has expsosed their show cards, you know who is a “throw away” and can get whatever you need for a reasonable price from another team.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 17, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
sergio cisco donte omri
give the fat contracts away
You have to keep Donte
If you’re deciding between Donte, May, Nocioni, Thomas and Beno … how do you not keep Greene?
Stupidity is the only answer
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not even remotely willing to give up
another super athletic SF who hasn’t panned out yet
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Its not a question of 'giving up'
Its a question of whether he would get taken. I doubt he would.
As for the veiled ref to GWallace, they have entirely different games, Wallace goes to the rim and always did. Donte’ maybe very athletic, but he fails (so far) to use it very well on the court. He doesn’t go around defenders or stay in front on D.
I honestly pray that all the love for him here on STR is bourne out on the court this year – but I just don’t see the instinct in him to intuitively Use his tools to his advantage.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 18, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His instinct seems unfortunately to be
- that of a jumpshooter from 3pt land.
This season will tell a lot, I havn’t given up on him, I just have a lot of doubts.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 18, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Donte, Casspi, Cisco, Sergio
It’s doubtful they take May, and I’d be ecstatic if they took either Beno or Nocioni
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I agree
I’d be tempted to keep May, because if we were to lose him we’d have almost no frontcourt depth, but I doubt a team would take him. I wouldn’t protect KTEC because it seems like of they really wanted an expiring contract, there would be much better ones to pick from (better as in more money).
But if I was choosing between Sergio and Greene here is how I look at it. If we lose Donte, we still have three guys who can play small forward, including one who is young and has a good amount of potential. If we lose Sergio, we’ve only got Beno and Evans to play the point. Evans may or may not be able to do so effectively, and Beno is, well Beno. We are in a better position to lose Greene, and athletic wing players who haven’t proven anything are a dime a dozen.
But like I said it doesn’t really matter because I would keep Sergio, Garcia, Casspi and Greene. I am only saying that I think Sergio has more value then Greene.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
No sense in keeping KTEC
unless the intention is to trade for a valuable, probably expensive vet talent.
Is that the Kings intention? (I’ve no idea)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 18, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I am starting to think
We will do what Portland did two years ago with Lafrentz and just hold onto our expiring contract. But it would be nice to get a pick or a player for him.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Whose going to give up a draft pick for Kenny Thomas?
Unless the Kings are taking a back a big expensive contract along with it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah that was what I meant.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
And why would the Kings do that?
You can buy a draft pick for 3 million dollars. Name me an expensive expendable contract that a team will give up that the Kings would want? If they want extra (lower) 1st round picks, they might as well shell out the 3 mil in cash. Have they done that up to this point?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No
Which is exactly why I said that I think we will hold onto our expiring contract.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Fair enough
I disagree with you that it’s Raef LaFrentz situation (Portland wanted to cream a team for 2 players using that contract instead of just getting 1), but everything else we agree upon.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah I was just using the first example that came to mind when I mentioned Lafrentz.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Ya if this new team took KTEC in an expansion draft
we’d lose 8 million off our cap, plus not having to pay that 8 million during the season.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
I've been saying for two years
that I’m guessing we have KT until the bitter end. The other possibility I see is a few marginal Diogu type guys that haven’t worked out and probably won’t stick anyway.
Thats assuming GP/Maloofs don’t go for a big splash expensive guy – which I havn’t seen any sign of.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 18, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I've long had that feeling lttg
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
as well^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I got a better question lttg
Would a big splash expensive guy dramatically make this team better for the money they have to take on?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Depends on the length of the contract I guess - and the guy
it sure could put some asses back in the seats.
One guy, the right guy, has changed a whole teams mentality by fitting in just right before.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, this is a fun question.
Garcia for sure.
Omri and Donte as well.
Then its tricky. You have Noc, Sergio, Beno, May, Thomas. Noc is the best player of those guys. He also has the biggest contract. Sergio is going to be a free agent next year. Same with May. K-9 and Beno though, I could care less if they were given away.
I’d probably go with Noc, since he still might have value to other teams and we could use the vet leadership. His contract declines anyway. And I don’t think either Donte or Omri are ready to start and play a lot yet.
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The name of the game here is asset’s (as 214 says), and Beno, Noc, Sergio, May and Brockman are not great asset’s.
So, you don’t protect them, and if you protect one, I would think Brockman would have the most value to an expansion team so you protect him.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yep
I really like Sergio though, and he could really shine in Sacramento. Just hopefully not turn into another Beno situation, where he gets the MLE. I’d rather he failed.
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Let me revise that statement.
I hope he doesn’t get a big nice contract like Beno, and just give up like Beno did. Sergio could be a very good player. Much like what we though Ricky Rubio could be. He has that type of passing ability.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
The only reason Beno got that contract
was A) the Kings believed Beno had more upside to be tapped B) he was the only real PG the Kings had last season, and C) he is still pretty young to boot (27).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
My top 8
Martin
Evans
Hawes
THompson
Garcia
Greene
Casspi
Rodriguez
I’d let Udrih, Nocioni, May and Thomas go, hopefully Udrih gets picked :prays:
Tops
Martin
Evans
Hawes
Thompson
Casspi
Greene
Garcia
Hmm.. I’d go Nocioni
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I'm still amazed at how much love Donte Greene gets here.
I mean, he wasn’t just bad last season, he was awful.
Maybe something will just click for him…
It's not "love"
At least, not for me. It’s price. I don’t think that Greene or Nocioni have value in excess of their contract. But Greene is guaranteed less than $1 million, while Noc is guaranteed $21 million. That gives me 20 million reasons to jettison Noc instead of Greene.
And Greene is just 21 years old. There is no telling if this kid is going to go in the direction of Gerald Wallace or Quincy Douby. You know what you have in Noc – a slightly overpaid player that would probably benefit a contending team. Call it love if you want. I call it pragmatism.
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Maybe this is a mystery solved best by
Doratio Kane.
I hope that answers your confusion.
Victory is tasty.
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