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Outside-In: Where Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes Shoot the Ball

Going back to Paul Westphal's comments last weekend regarding our favorite center, Spencer Hawes: the coach said he'd like to set up Hawes in the post more. We saw this inconsistently last season -- Kenny Natt basically decreed Hawes as a post player for, like, two games, and otherwise the coaches tried to force Hawes (a slender shooter with some good footwork but flawed touch at the rim) to play like Shaq. It didn't really work. Hawes was best last season when playing his game -- shooting, passing out of the high post, filling the lane on the pick-and-roll.

Little is ever made about Jason Thompson's offense, perhaps because he had a successful rookie season. He scored well, and efficiently, and he hasn't been billed as the next great Kings center as Hawes has. There's less attention paid. But by my count, he counts every bit as much on the court as Hawes, and every time we wonder how the staff can best use Hawes, we ought to wonder the same about Thompson.

The first step in that is understanding how they were used last season.

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Using 82games.com's data, I put together this graphic showing the distance from which each player shot last season. It's broken into three categories: three-point range, two-point jump shots, and "inside." Note that "inside" according to 82games (which yanks data from play-by-plays) is a bit different than that found through the NBA's Hot Spot data, which uses actually shot charts.

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As you'd expect, Thompson never shoots the three ball, but he does rely on two-point jumpers an awful lot (especially considering the number of putback attempts he draws). All told, Thompson take just over half of his shots from inside, while Hawes takes just under half from there. The two-point jumper is (by category) the worst shot in the NBA, with a catch: most of the most prolific offensive players in the league (Wade, Nowitzki in particular) tend to hit the long two at a good clip. Thompson actually takes a higher share of his own shots from the long two range than does Hawes, who attempted quite a few threes (at a good clip -- .348 -- especially for a 7-foot 20-year-old).

The three-point shot is far, far more efficient than the two-point jumper. If you hit 35% from three-point range, you would need to shoot 52.5% from two-point jumper range to have the same efficiency, to create the same points. No one in the league shot that well last season. Jason Terry led the league in long two FG% at 49.2%. So Spencer needs to keep taking those threes, at the expense of some of those long twos. (I should note Hawes's FG% on long twos is barely more than on threes, and the long twos don't come with the benefit of an extra point for makes.)

Thompson? He needs to be focusing on the inside game. Only two rookies (Marreese Speights and Brook Lopez) turned a better inside FG% than Thompson (who finished 60.9% inside). Combine that great (and likely improving) finishing percentage with Shock's ability to draw fouls and soak up offensive rebounds and ... he was made for the low post.

The great thing is that our fellows are versatile. If Hawes has a match-up which dictates he move to the post, Thompson has the supreme ball skills to move out high and space the offense. If one or the other is in foul trouble, each is flexible enough to adjust to the forward/center who rotates into the game. Offense is not going to be a problem much longer for these cats.

It will, of course, be defense which decides whether Shock and Hawes works as a legit starting frontcourt. And, honestly, a lot of that comes down to Tyreke Evans: Can he rebound enough to lessen the frontcourt's problems on the defensive glass? Will having a point guard who tries to slow opponents help the backstops get into position better? We'll see.

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Good stuff

I’m excited to see what kind of year JT has and I’m hoping to see continued improvement from Spencer.

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by Kfan in Korea on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

In a best case scenario, seeing both of our bigs have dual breakout years would be awesome. This is Spencer’s year to prove that he deserves a bigger payday.

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

A good goal

would be to have Thompson playing against Tyreke in the Rookie Sophomore Challenge.

by KeonClark on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...kind of

As far as individual stats go, that is exactly what you would want each player to do as far as maximizing indivudual efficiency, but in the context of the offense the Kings run, can that be done.

The Kings love the high post action and specifically the pick-and-roll at about 17 feet. In order for that play to be effective, they need someone to take and make that 17 ft shot.

Should the team initiate the offense out at the 3pt line to maximize the efficiency?

by markdog333 on Aug 19, 2009 7:07 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

New coach, new offense, no offense

but how can you say what the kings do and dont love. And i think hes saying that it would be best to cut down not eliminate the shot, so you got an open pick and pop, you take it but none of that fading away with a defender on you bs.

by passionforPERPS on Aug 19, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, mark

The pick and roll or pick and pop is most effective at the ‘long-two’ range. So while the long two is less efficient than the three, it is necessary in order to create effective pick and roll/pick and pop situations. Pick and roll at the three point line would be far less effective because the driver is far less of a threat to get to the rim from that deep—defenses could shift in time to trap.

That free-throw extended area is where Spencer does most of his business. So while I think that the three is a prefered shot to the long two for efficiency’s sake, I think that for the greater offensive scheme, he should continue to work on and take that shot. This goes for Shock too, but to a lesser extent—since he is not as useful in the high post, but is a better pick-and-roll guy, IMO.

by DustyG on Aug 19, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Accurate assessment

But, in any competition you don’t want to be too perdictable. By TZ’s analysis it would seem that with Spencer’s high 3pt shooting percentage, the high pick & roll might be better for him. Say Evans & Spencer run the high pick & roll out around the 3pt line. If Spencer’s man tries to help out on Evans, then Spencer is going to be open at the 3 or in worst case covered by guard. If Evans get past Spencer’s man, Spencer has the skills to pass to Evans going to the rim or take the 3. Any help at the rim is going to leave JT or the SF open, so the options are too many to pass up, if they can learn to run it well.

Since JT has a good midrange jumper & can drive & finish, the pick & roll from the FT line extended might be his bread & butter play. Either way I think you need to run them both to keep the defense honest. I’d run them both then continue to run the one that works best until they stop us.

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by HighTops on Aug 19, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Westphal about Hawes needing to take more inside shots.

But I also think he should cut down on his long 2s and go for more 3s. Even cutting the long 2s by 7% and having more than half his shots inside would be an improvement.

JT definitely needs to focus on the low post. He likes his jumper, and he can hit it, but in the words of one of my least favorite commentators ever, THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN. THROW IT DOWN.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Aug 19, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

You could always go with

SEND IT HOME, JEROME! Of course coined by the best announcer ever.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Aug 19, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really sure what to say to this one

JT & Shawes are both versatile, and that is obvious. Versatile at what is the question, and the question that I think Westphal and each player will have to figure out. At some point, and at some point, the level to which these statements become a self-fulfilling prophecy or a statement of fact will be interesting. Last year, it seemed more of the latter with Natt/Theus around. With Westphal, I’m definitely believing it will be the former.

For the record, I don’t mind Spencer shooting 3’s in limited fashion. But not at the rate he did so last season. I’m not sure what JT really needs to do to his offensive game other than he has to improve his go-to moves, footwork, and all the rest.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it depends on the situation on where you want Spence and JT to be.

If the other team has intimidating big guys, I’d like to see Spence punish them with a 3 pointer, or JT with a jumper. Opens the lane for Tyreke and Kevin. Even Donte would benefit. If Donte gets twice the minutes he did last year, and shoot the same number of threes, that’ll be an improvement. Especially if he makes more than 26%.

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by Aykis16 on Aug 19, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which Ziller

I wouldn’t mind seeing a chart of Donte’s shot selection.

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by Aykis16 on Aug 19, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give it a shot

Though I don’t think he played enough to get into the 82games database for shot type. Should be able to cobble it together though.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 19, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just make it up

I won’t fact check you

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by Exhibit G on Aug 19, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lazy front page poster

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now, that's uncalled for

The front page has nothing to do with it. I’ve always been lazy.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Point

I apologize to the Front Page which has nothing to do with this.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Much better

As you know, there are two types of people in this world. Those who finish what they start, and so forth…

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by Exhibit G on Aug 19, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

That's funny

I’m gonna use that. And I’m not gonna give you credit.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 19, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries

I stole it from someone else.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 20, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Completely unrelated, but I heard this nugget from a person that sent an email response to Fox40 last night on a PETA story:

“If God had not intended us to eat animals, he would not have made them out of meat.”

I hope that the guy that sent that in meant for it to be as funny as I found it, because I’m still laughing. Brilliantly simple. Simply brilliant.

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by section214 on Aug 19, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.

by Carl on Aug 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

meat

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I first saw that one on a T-shirt several years ago

it’s one of my favorites.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seen on a T-Shirt recently

Top 10 Reasons for Procrastination:

1.

by hozr on Aug 20, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

other T-shirt wisdom

Stop your boobs from staring at my eyes.

crass. but funny. I would never wear it, but I can admire it’s cleverness.

by betweentheeyes on Aug 21, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's going to be a small sample size and not really worth analyzing on it's face value (unlike JT & Shawes who took many more shots and played many more mins)

I suggest you look at this chart from 82games.com and it will tell you the same thing that TZ put in graphical form.

(But, having read it, basically Donte’s problems were he took too many long shots at a low clip (he took 77% of his shots and had an eFG of 35%—roughly—) and 23% of his shots came inside at about an eFG% of 47%.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds a little like you'd want to rely on KM and Evans to play inside

and use the bigs to draw defenders away from the basket. I do not like the idea as an offensive strategy. In 82 games your guards would take just too much punishment. JT at least must play around the rim to maximize offensive efficiency, maximize rebound opportunities – and use his body to screen defenders so our penetrators can go in for those easy buckets at the rim.
As Pookey mentioned, it is crucial that JT and Hawes continue to develop some simple ‘go to’ moves near the basket. If they don’t develop them now – will they ever?
I don’t want to see Donte’s chart from last year, I already know its a mess of waaay too many outside jumpers. He needs to start fresh.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually lttg

What I said JT needs to develop those moves. Spencer has them already. He just needs to know how to utilize them. I realize that seems like I’m picking at a minor point, but really, it’s not. Those are 2 different issue’s.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was responding to Ayk - I mostly agreed with you

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know lttg

What I’m saying is that those issue’s are separate, and I don’t want each getting confused for each other. (I know you know the difference. That’s not my point.) My point is, and will remain, that the difference between having to create a move and figuring how to utilize a move seem 2 parts of similar things, but they are really not.

That’s all I want to stress here.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's truth there

Hawes clearly has a number of moves already, he often doesn’t utilize them in a simple, efficient way though. He got better as the year went on last year, taking fewer dribbbles etc., but he’s got to realize that more/longer you hold the ball in the low post the more the defense can collapse or otherwise be ready – as it becomes obvious the ball is going up.
His most developed (low post) move is from the right side of the basket just inside/outside the circle. We’ve all seen it. He tends to take 3-4 + dribbles (he did get better as I mentioned) before going up with essentially the same shot over his left shoulder. Thats fine, the definition of a go to move – but by overdribbling he allows defenders time to recognize and prepare for it. It uses a lot of energy for a neglible change in efficiency.
He does have some other moves from that same spot (which is great) but he needs to very quickly make that decision, right or wrong.
I’d point out that the longer a defender has to prepare down there, get in position, the less likely Hawes is going to draw a foul.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

JT unfortunately doesn't really have a 'go to' move that I've recognized.

He’s got work to do with those sometimes/often happy feet.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

When they are the size of a baby seal

You might have trouble looking graceful too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are lost in translation here lttg

That’s exactly what I’m saying about Shawes.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh - I know

Like I said – i was responding to Ayk16 and expounding on what you said.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good

There’s a lot to be learned from what you said.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

To go on (sorry) on Hawes

I don’t know if it was/can be tracked

but I seem to remember that the more quickly he put up a shot from that right side circle – he really did get fouled more.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is turning into a post - but I have more thoughts on Shawes' game

I wonder if his lack of foul drawing in that low post situation is related to his ‘shooter’ mentality. He’s clearly a very good shooter and takes pride in it.
   But he always wants to make the shot. A foul may not psychologcally be as satisfying to his current mentality as going to the line. This seems to result in his trying to work his low post shot around the defender ’s arms- rather than through them, and so both drawing fewer fouls and screwing up his shot attempt.
I guess those are things a skilled 7ftr needs to overcome while in the post.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good thoughts here and above, lttg

I think Hawes does ‘overdribble’ to get the defense anticipating, and then he uses a counter to take advantage of an overplay. But I think Hawes uses counters far too much, and therefore they don’t work as such. The defender is looking for the counter. So I think he needs to develop simple go-to moves around the hoop (like you said above) and then use his counter once he has establish the go-to.

As far as foul-drawing goes, I think its the fear of demoralization that comes along with getting a shot blocked that keeps Shawes from trying to draw and go through contact. Either way, it’s something that he’ll be better off overcoming.

by DustyG on Aug 19, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fear of getting blocked, there may be some truth to that

I also think it’s the kind of shots he takes and his failure to initiate contact. If your always going away from the defender, instead of going at the basket then your just not going to get calls.

The beauty of the hook is the defender can’t get his hand on the ball or your arm. The same is usually true with the fade away jumper. Then there’s the fact that Spencer has the skills to try and go around the defender which doesn’t always lead to an easy shot.

JT got called for a lot of fouls because he had his hands a little forward and he’s man took the ball straight up into his arms and forcing contact. Martin has made a career of creating contract and drawing a foul. Spencer needs to stop always going to the finesse shot, and just go up strong to the basket and make the refs make the call.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

When we watched Spencer take uncontested 3's early in the possession with a ton of time on

the clock it’s pretty equivalent to a guard settling for a contested off balance jump shot rather than taking it to the rim. Spence’s problem is that he makes too dang many of them and that it’s worth it for him to keep trying to make them. This may not make sense but I think Spencer would be an all round better center if he wasn’t such a decent shooter.

I want to see Spencer use his shooting ability to keep the defenders honest, help space the floor but I want to see him make almost all of points in the paint. The other thing to remember is that JT and Spence would each have made at least one additional field goal per game in the paint if one of the perimeter players had remembered to get them the ball.

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by Bluejohn on Aug 19, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth again

way too much holding of the ball last year until opportunities had (just barely!) passed to get it inside – or (just barely) take a clean shot from somewhere else.
It wasn’t necessarily just Beno either, a lot of missed opportunities to create easy shots caused by overdribbling or just holding the ball too long by many.
A lot of the blame (I think) goes to poor offense coaching schemes by Theus and worse – a total lack of a recognizable offensve system – by Natt.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This caused, as TZ mentioned in a good post last year

the Kings working way too hard for too many of thier shots.

Simplicity should be the rule – and individual creativity should be the necessity.

It rarely worked out that way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

After watching Spencer run down court and set up in the blocks

I think he wants it too. But, no one ever got the ball to him early in the possession.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Aug 19, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gots a question

Does 82games.com define what a jump shot vs inside is?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 19, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Um.........I can't define it but I know it when I see it?

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by Bluejohn on Aug 19, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

with Westphal. His saying that Hawes should take more shots in low and get more fouls isn’t Spence playing his game. The numbers back it up. Spence should be taking more long 3s, because he will make them, and JT should be the one throwing down in the paint, because he will make them.

I am tired of Kings coaches not using players to their strengths and figuring out how best to capitalize on their talents. How many SGs have been forced in to the PG role, unsuccessfully? Lots! Same thing goes with Spence to fair degree. He needs to have somebody get him set up for spot shooting. The kid is deadly on that three point line. Ever seen him practice the three point shot? Show up early some time and watch him sink 20 in a row. I have. The problem is that he isn’t good when he dribbles and then shoots a 3.

I do agree with those that say Evans should drive and kick it to Hawes on the line if his man goes to double Evans or goes down low to JT if doubled from there. Really JT needs to play down low, but he just isn’t big and strong enough to battle true Centers. The real way to play these two guys is to run run run so the other teams can’t play there slower and stronger bigs.

Play that game and the Kings will be playing each player to their strength which means the are winning.

by MustangMBS on Aug 20, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Good points

But at age 21, are we convinced that Hawes is incapable of giving us more in the low post. I, for one, am not so convinced.

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by section214 on Aug 20, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just the natural process of thickening and growing into your body that happens

in your early 20s will allow Spencer to be more effective in the post. Add a strength and weights program and a commitment to becoming a complete center and I see no reason at all why he shouldn’t be able to become much more effective on the block.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Aug 20, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and No Kfan

I think he can be more effective and agree there, but guys that really do well down low just love the contact. It gets them going and they are monsters in the paint. JT clearly loves it in a competitive way, but Spence really doesn’t seem to like it as much. I don’t think he will ever be a true low post presence unless he learns to enjoy banging people around.

by MustangMBS on Aug 20, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and no?

Nothing you said contradicts anything I said, so I don’t see where you get any no. I don’t believe that Westphal wants Spencer to become Shaq and I don’t believe that he can. I think the coach just wants him to improve his post game and I think that is doable. You seem to agree with that, so I think you actually agree with Westphal too.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Aug 20, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

Cool, got you. Yes, I guess we agree that Spence can get better. I do, however, question just how good he can be down low… We will see.

I can also go along with Westphal as long as he doesn’t forsake his 3 point shot. I can agree that improvement towards better all around play in every part of the court is always worth while, but am concerned that we shouldn’t push players to play more of what they aren’t good at if it causes them to not play to their strengths.

I think you can agree that we have seen way too much of that in the past.

by MustangMBS on Aug 21, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, we'll see

I do think he needs to improve inside to ever be more than a boarder line starter though. So, I hope he continues to work on strength during the off season. He was much better last year than his rookie year. Let’s hope that trend continues. He’s already got some decent post moves, he just needs more bulk/strength to be able to establish/hold position better. Getting him the ball when he does get position would be a good thing too.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Aug 21, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point taken

I can see your point. The Kings do need to expand the abilities of their players. There is, however, a fine line to walk in teaching more skills and in pushing players to drastically alter their game to one that is not their strength. I may be so used to seeing bad coaching and only seeing the latter version that I am reading too much into Westphals statement. He is not Theus and Natt.

I still hold that the Kings need to play smarter. I am encourage by hearing players say that the first question Westphal asks is about how they like to play and what are they most comfortable doing on the floor.

I think that JT and Spence can be effective together and am looking forward to this season.

by MustangMBS on Aug 20, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

While I want to see more low post play out of Spencer, I do not want to see him (or the coaching staff) forsake his 3-point shooting ability. I used to love it when Shaq would have to venture out of the key to guard Vlade or Brad Miller. The thought of Greg Oden or Andrew Bynum having to locate Hawes on defense makes me happy inside…and outside.

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by section214 on Aug 20, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The lost look on their face for that split second was priceless.

by MustangMBS on Aug 21, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

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