Who should play the SF position

by KeonClark on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM PDT Comment 57 comments

We all know that if not immediately, then at some point, Tyreke Evans will take over as the starting point guard for the Kings. I would like to start a discussion to figure out what StR’s opinion is regarding the best lineup to put around Evans and Martin. Assuming Tyreke is the starting 1, that pretty much means 4 positions are filled, so I'm simply referring to who the best small forward is for playing with Evans (because Martin can get his regardless of who is on the court). I think the answer is simple and clear.

It has to be Francisco Garcia... and for many reasons. Garcia is, at worst, our 2nd best 3-point shooter. This will be advantageous as Tyreke Evans will definitely be the drive-and-dish type of distributor. By taking advantage of defensive adjustments with good ball movement, I think Tyreke Evans’ driving ability will create a lot of open looks from 3 for Cisco, Martin and Hawes. I see him getting more hockey assists than actual assists in this regard, but either way, the ball being in his hands will open up the floor for our shooters. Having Garcia on the floor gives us the best chance of these three-balls falling.

Much is discussed about Nocioni’s toughness, but I don’t think (outside of true King’s fans) enough is made of Cisco’s toughness. People who do not follow or understand the dynamic of the Kings would easily think Cisco is overpaid. However, a more in-depth look shows that he is the Kings’ obvious leader. Is $5-6 mil/year really too much for an incredibly versatile, (capable) starter? The guy can play three positions, is a very good three point shooter, works his butt off on defense and is the obvious leader on the team. I’m guessing there would be a lot of teams that would pay that type of money for Cisco. He is the type of guy that will do what it takes to help you win… Sorry, I got off on a bit of a tangent. I just get annoyed when I read unknowledgeable people claim Garcia is overpaid. They do not understand his true role. Anyway, back to my point. Garcia is tough. He may not be the bruiser than Noc is, but he is a good on-ball defender, a good help defender and ridiculous at blocking shots for a SG/SF.

Third, and potentially most importantly, is that Garcia can handle and distribute the ball a bit. If Evans is the defender that everyone is saying he is (I’m not doubting this, I just haven’t personally seem him prove it), then he is going to be one tired dude if it’s his responsibility to chase around Brandon Roy, along with bringing up the ball up, and scoring 15-20 points. This is also assuming that he is currently capable of being an NBA ball handler and distributor full time. I’m sure he will be some time, but this year? I’m not so sure. This is why Garcia is the perfect fit. He is a capable ball-handler. He is a capable facilitator. He’s probably a better half-court passer. He can share the point-guard load with Evans in a way that is similar to what Doug Christie did with Mike Bibby.

This is nothing against Nocioni or Donte. Nocioni is a rugged guy. Hopefully he will be a little more in sync with the team this year. If so, we can re-evaluate then. I personally think he’s better fit as a back-up 4 – banging and annoying the other teams’ bigs. And I think Donte will be great on the second team especially with Sergio Rodriguez speeding up the pace of the game. But to compliment Tyreke’s abilities (and hide his weaknesses), I think Garcia is our guy. His leadership, defense, 3pt shooting, ball handling and distributing make him the perfect fit to play alongside Tyreke Evans.

Lastly, today's news could not make me happier that we went with Tyreke over Rubio. Dios Mio!

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Cant say I agree

Noc was the best 3pt shooter. Noc was also the 3rd best rebounder. And, against the bigger SF’s he’s a better defender than Cisco.

Omri, showed both rebounding and passing skill in the latter games of the VSL. And, I can see him playing the Hedo role as Point/Forward just as well as Cisco, but with more height and weight. Plus, Cappri should prove as tough as Noc or Cisco.

We don’t need Cisco to play point we have enough talent there already. What we don’t have is depth at SG, except for Cisco. But, Cisco’s minutes at SF are going to be determined during preseason by how well Donte & Omri play.

My gut say: Noc starts, Cisco backs up Noc & Martin, Donte plays more PF than SF, and Omri plays sparingly until he beats out Cisco for the backup role (which will probably be next season unless Noc or Cisco are traded).

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by HighTops on Sep 1, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Omri?

Omri plays sparingly until he beats out Cisco for the backup role (which will probably be next season

???

Cisco is a proven NBA player, a team leader, a clutch shooter – a spark plug. Omri hasn’t yet played a game against any players of consequence.

Although I think Cisco is an ideal 6th or 7th man on a very good team rather than a starter . . .

Ah summer!

But lets hope Omri does well, I don’t believe we have a starting 3 on this team right now and there are potential shades of Doug Christie (a SG by the way) in his game.

But yes, for now Noce should/probably will start until he’s traded to a contender when either Donte’ or Omri hopefully start to emerge.

But you keep Cisco.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In my opinion

Omri will need a year or two to emerge. But he will be a very good player in time. Probably Rudy Fernandez like with more of a playmaking side. Both are very athletic and quick. Omri might be a little too quick at the moment, and he needs to learn control.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 1, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Noce probably needs to start

for size – physical matchup reasons. We’re a little light up front.

Your bench guys are probably Cisco, May and Beno.
(man! We really do need more size – or someone of Donte’/Omri to emerge – off the bench)

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Aykis16 on Sep 1, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the point of my post

was not about Cisco playing the point guard. It was about when Evans is playing point, and only when evans is playing point. the ‘02 kings had Bibby in his prime and Bobby Jackson off the bench. You could say they had depth at PG. That didn’t stop them from having Christie bring the ball up and help facilitate a decent amount of the time. I’m saying that Evans probably isn’t ready to be a full-time NBA point guard and that, while we want him on the court as much as possible, it makes sense for him to have someone on the court with him that can share the ball-handling responsibilities. Francisco may be our only (proven NBA) player that can do that right now.

I don’t think Casspi should even be in the conversation this year in regards to starting. He’ll get about the same, or a little more, minutes than Donte got last year.

My point was simply that, of the guys available to play SF, Francisco is the best compliment to Evans, when Evans is running the point.

by KeonClark on Sep 1, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

hmmm

of the guys available to play SF, Francisco is the best compliment to Evans, when Evans is running the point

we’ll see. I just don’t know what I think yet myself.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Let’s just count ourselves fortunate if Omri becomes an actual NBA player, projecting him as anything off a few Vegas league games is a little premature.

2008/2007/2007

.399/.364/.383

.398/.391/.356

Tell me which of those guys is the best 3pt shooter over the last three years, they look pretty comperable to me.

I like starting Cisco because he actually has a chance against other athletic players in the league on defense, compared to Nocioni, though Nocioni’s rebounding is a big plus. I think you start Cisco and rely on Dé3 to come in with Nocioni (playing 4), and Sergio off the bench playing small as our 2nd unit.

Sometimes starting is overrated though, the big question is, who should be finishing games? Most nights Tyreke/Kevin/Cisco/JT/Hawes is who I want finishing games. Its going to be a rough year, but its time for our young guys to face the fire of primetime.

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by ForThree on Sep 4, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

In my mind

If Evans starts I start Garcia to help relieve ball handling responsibilites if Tyreke needs some help. If Evans doesn’t start I go with Noc.

by ElRonToro on Sep 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Kevin is a good ball handler, often bringing up the ball last year.

by SugaB on Sep 7, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the idea

And I would like to get the chance to see Cisco start, he deserves it. But at the moment that leaves us with a little bit of a hole at the 2 guard behind K-Mart. But if Cisco did start, I’d assume Noc backs up JT and May backs up Hawes. It all depends on how Bestphal wants to play.

We could even have situational starting lineups depending on the other team.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

3-man rotation for the 2 guard positions

The beauty of Evans is that he’s a combo guard. When Marting gets tired bring in Sergio and have Evans plays off-guard. When Evans gets tired, have Sergio come in and play with Martin. Or when martin needs a sub, bring in a 3 and move Cisco to the SG spot. There doesn’t need to be a set backup for each guy. That’s the advantage of having versatile players.

by KeonClark on Sep 1, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You need an anchor player somewhere

though I do think you throw a quick rotation (and keep rotating!) at Ds with the roster we have now. Use that versatility to keep opponents as off balance as possible.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

You mention Garcia’s versatility, and I think that’s what keeps him out of the starting line-up. It sounds odd, but I think he would be put to far better use coming off the bench. I see him as the most capable back-up to Kevin Martin at the 2 spot. He could also spell Noc at the 3.

Noc has the ability to spell at the 4, but we’ll also have Donté and (presumably) Brockman.

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by Exhibit G on Sep 1, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Until Hawes proves he can rebound

I say start Noc. Besides, I think Cisco is the perfect 6th man.

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by SavageBeast on Sep 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

very much agree

As an emotional leader, Cisco is great on the bench, he is happily energetic when entering the game with a bit more freedom to be his wild self on some occassions or to utitilize his versatility on other occassions (rebound, defend, run offense) which is easier to do off the bench IMO.

Noce is a veteran and my guess is he will be more involved and more agreeable as a confirmed starter.

Omri and Donté both need much more seasoning to even shape expectations as to how and at what level they will perform.

by betweentheeyes on Sep 1, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well said

Omri and Donté both need much more seasoning to even shape expectations as to how and at what level they will perform

Donte’s career may be in serious trouble if he doesn’t show significant improvement this year.
{emphasis mine)

Come on Doratio – show us!

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia

giggity giggity goo

by DougChristieKO on Sep 1, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Rekes got handles

This is also assuming that he is currently capable of being an NBA ball handler and distributor full time. I’m sure he will be some time, but this year?

I thought the Kings ultimately would do the right thing and take Rubio, but instead they take Evans. This was a short-term pick. It will look good early, but I wonder how it will look in five years.- chad ford

by sac_king88 on Sep 1, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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by sac_king88 on Sep 1, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 2, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by JediLeroy on Sep 2, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have posted very similar sentiments myself

I know that Noce brings rebounding and is important on defense against bigger SFs. But I would like to see Tyreke and Cisco play as much as possible together, and that means (if we assume Martin stays healthy) that Cisco will need to get some decent time at 3. With Noce there, that leaves little to none for both Omri and Greene. Thus, we’re either going to have to ship Donte to Reno and give Omri minutes like Donte got last year (which would be disappointing) or we’ll have to trade Noce or severely cut back his minutes. Unless, of course, you don’t think playing Cisco and Tyreke together is all that important. I just happen to do so.

by LPKingsFan on Sep 1, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

playing time

at the 3 shows various options and only a few of those are available to allow movement into the other spots: at the 4 there is Jason Thompson and then Sean May. Who is next? has to be the yet to be signed Hoss Brockman. I would think Noce might see some PF time next before either Donté (even bulked up Dontè) or Casspi.

JT will see time at the 5 – somebody has to spell Spencer Hawes. This all influences how and who plays at Small Forward.

Lastly, again, again and again the question looms: How are the Kings going to clog the middle? Who is going to be rebounding? Teams with the ability to do some inside damage on the offensive end will soon expose the “donut defense” that this current roster is likely to display.

*also, rec’d for this whole line of daily Kings controversy: 30Q is the bomb and I like the tie in to NBA FanHouse which is also doing a great job on the countdown. Loved the Petit article and today’s Mark Eaton blurb..

by betweentheeyes on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

addendum:

until otherwise stated, and therefore ingnoring preconceived notions and expectations: another back up at the 4 is Kenny Thomas. Therefore, depth chart at the Power Forward position just may be: Jason Thompson, Sean May, Kenny Thomas, Hoss Brockman, Andres Noicioni, Donté Green, maybe Omri Casspi (that is 7 out of 12 by the way) – in that order. How these fellows are accorded minutes will influence the 3.

by betweentheeyes on Sep 2, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess it's just me

but I’d rather have the team built to be as big as possible, not built towards small ball. But it is what it is, I guess.

by LPKingsFan on Sep 2, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its not just you

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by lietothegirls on Sep 3, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go small

with Beno, Reke, and KMart to run teams off the court. It would work.

by SugaB on Sep 1, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Beno's not that quick.

Too much Slovenian, not enough Tasmanian.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 2, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that 3

would generate enough mismatch potential on the offensive end to justify the mismatches on the defensive end. With below average perimeter D, JT and Hawes would be out with fouls too quickly or we’d just get beaten up. To smallball, I’d rather do something like Reke, Martin, Cisco, Noc, JT/Hawes.

Overall, I’d prefer to go with the lineup of Reke, Martin, Noc, JT, Hawes. Better D, rebounding. And I like the subs.

by DustyG on Sep 2, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you are saying

and in theory it makes the most since, because Evans will be driving and hopefully he can hit Kmart or Cisco on the wings to hit 3. And it makes perfect since but i think kmart, cisco, jt are soft, Evans isn’t soft and Hawes is just thick, having Noc is like having they guy on the hockey team who just likes to fight to protect a star player. Having Cisco come in off the bench to hit 3’s, play Defense would be a great change up to having Noc bang around. You know, let teams sag off the 3 point shooters to keep Evans, Martin, Noc from getting in the lane, and at the 10 min. mark send in Cisco to make it rain! (not in the pacman jones way) So teams will get into the flow of sagging off the 3point line and he can drop a few and hopefully that will open the middle for Evans to get a few dunks in…..

All i am saying is that your theory in starting Cisco at the 3 is a lot like communism, it looks good on paper and in theory but in practice it just ends up pissing everyone off and it just falls short…..

by shadowchicken on Sep 2, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Garcia is soft?

Where are you getting that from? Built lean, but soft?

by polotown on Sep 3, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I mean, when have you ever see him bang? Get on the floor? I mean i’m sure he has but not enough to make me think he isn’t soft. It just seems like he sits on the 3 point line and pulls up for 3 pointers. i mean hell if he’s open yeah take them, but when they arnt falling get to the line maybe?? Maybe it’s just me??

by shadowchicken on Sep 3, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia and JT soft?

Crazy talk, in my opinion.

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by section214 on Sep 3, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cisco is not soft

- just not big enough to bang away for 82 games as a starter. Jt bangs plenty but used his hands too much last year, drawing cheap fouls and not saving fouls for banging.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 3, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

JT needs to start to learn to use his feet rather then his hands in order to become a better defender

Saying Cisco is soft is insane and should earn the chicken a 2 day ban. It makes me wonder if he watches the games.

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by Bluejohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So he doesn't drive much (thank goodness)

But give the guy credit for tough D, diving for balls, and having the 2nd highest block stat.

by polotown on Sep 4, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garcia was probably the toughest person on the team before we traded for Noc last year.

Scratch that. That title belongs to Bobby Jackson, now and forever. But Garcia was definitely second toughest.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 3, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

For both the post and the ensuing thread. Great reading.

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by section214 on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

3 pt %

Fuuny how we tend to assume Garcia—the Latin Assasin—is the better 3pt shooter. Turns out Noc is actually percentage points higher both last year and for his career.

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by SavageBeast on Sep 2, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

More attempts, too.

by DustyG on Sep 2, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two years ago, Cisco was point guard

now we want him to be a SF?

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Sep 4, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't Cisco always a 3?

We just hoped he could be a PG due to the team’s needs at the time.

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by Exhibit G on Sep 4, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't he always a 2?

We just hoped he could be a SF due to the team’s needs at the time.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Sep 4, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cisco's probably the epitome of a Guard/Forward

He can be equally effective at the 2 or 3.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 8, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it all will depend on performance

Noc might start, but Cisco might end up playing 30+ mins at SF if he’s blazing hot. Ditto for Omri & Donte. If any of these guys get hot from the field they’ll play bulk minutes and that’s the way it should be.

Then there’s also matchups, where if we’re playing a quick skilled SF (say Melo), maybe on D we’d wanna stick an all energy all elbows and knees guy like Omri on him, instead of traditional Noc, just to throw Melo off his game.

We’ve got serious depth at the SF (or a bunch of bench quality SFs if you wanna be pessimistic) that who starts at may not be the same as who is going to be most successful in our lineup night in night out.

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by elfboy_ on Sep 4, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget Cisco is Martin's backup

I know Evans could backup at the 2. But, just as I didn’t like the KIngs making JT play 3 positions his rookie year. I’d really like Evans to only have to concentrate on learning how to play the PG position. After all the discussion as to whether or not he is a 1 or a 2, let’s give a chance to prove if he is a 1 before we start make him play the 2.

Your point on Omri is good. But, don’t forget how well Donte defended Randolf last year. I’m really hoping that this is a breakout year for Donte either at the 3 or the 4.

One of the more interesting questions that have crossed my mind is, “If Martin were to go down for any length of time this year, would the Kings start Cisco or Evans at the 2?”. How the Kings would deal with that senario would indicate what they think Cisco’s value to the team is. Is he really a 2 that has to play at the 3 because he plays behind Martin.

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by HighTops on Sep 5, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

rec'd for wisdom

I know Evans could backup at the 2. But, just as I didn’t like the KIngs making JT play 3 positions his rookie year. I’d really like Evans to only have to concentrate on learning how to play the PG position. After all the discussion as to whether or not he is a 1 or a 2, let’s give a chance to prove if he is a 1 before we start make him play the 2

I hope the coaching staff shares your philosophy on this. If they really want Tyreke to be an NBA point guard, than has to be in games at that position. Playing time is an overall valuable tool for experience but I hope Martin stays healthy enough to allow Evans to be the big, strong, long, tough defending, slashing, dishing PG we hope him to be.

by betweentheeyes on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Start Noci at the beginning of the year

and if it works out keep him there, otherwise Westphal can start moving Garcia into a starting position. Regardless Garcia should be one of the best 6th men in the NBA this year. He can play 3 positions decently and at SF he is going to be consistent. He should get about 20-30 mins/game off the bench.

by SugaB on Sep 7, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

additional thought.....

1. Beno
2. Reke
3. Martin
4. Thompson
5. Hawes

Undersized yes, but the backcourt contains a distributor, slasher, and a shooter (Reke and Martin can use speed to help board). Thompson and Hawes would thrive off the penetration and passing. Substitution wise you bring in Cisco for Beno, and move Reke to point, Noci in at the 3 or 4 spot depending on the game and inside talent of the opposing team. May is a stable at the 4 spot and can possibly even play the 5 if we are trying to run (he excels in fast pace offenses surprisingly).

by SugaB on Sep 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

May is a staple*

by SugaB on Sep 7, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

I’ve also wondered if we shouldn’t consider playing KM at the 3 with the current roster. Make KM and Reke interchangable at the 2-3 but on the floor at the same time.

My concern is that it reminds me of Salmons/ KM – with the same weaknesses and leaves simple pick and roll type offense off the table – encouraging too much of the 1 on 1 play we’ve seen so ineffectivly the last two years.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aykis and I were talking in our PASPN league chat and he proposed an interesting idea

It’s kind of dependent on us having a good PG (we discussed how the Kings should’ve gone after Sessions for just $4 mil). But, the idea was to let Tyreke play at the 2, and trade Kevin Martin for Danny Granger. Both guys have similar levels of talent. They both score extremely well with Martin being much more efficient. But Granger defends and rebounds a little better. It would allow the Kings to play ’Reke at his natural spot and would allow the Pacers to have a shooting guard and play Dunleavy at the 3 where he belongs, instead of at the 2

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by vfettke on Sep 8, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

But still

As much as I am concerned ‘Reke can’t play the 1, shouldn’t we at least try him there before getting rid of Speed? Remember Memphis didn’t take off until they moved him to the point.

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by SavageBeast on Sep 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

As we said in our chat

This depends on how good/bad ‘Reke does at the one, a possible Sergio breakout season, or getting John Wall in the draft. I don’t think we should trade Martin this year. But if we were to trade him, Granger would probably be a great trade.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 8, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nocioni

I think Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes need all the rebounding help they can get and Nocioni is by far the team’s best rebounding player on the perimeter. Primarily for this reason, he’d be my first choice as the starting three.

Additionally, Nocioni hasn’t been as effective coming off the bench over the last two years as he was in the past. I wonder if he’d do better, be more consistent, if he given the starter’s role. He could ease into the game a bit more and better find his rhythm. Looking at this starters/reserve splits from the last two seasons, there seems to be a good reason for trying this theory out more.

As for Cisco, I think he’s best off in a reserve role. I love the energy he supplies when he comes into games.

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by NBR on Sep 12, 2009 3:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nocioni. But then again, was there any doubt who I'd pick?

Noce brings the three point sniping that Garcia brings, so he’s just as viable a target for Reke’s passes.

He also brings more of the rebounding so he helps out JT and Hawes and he will bang and bruise the opposing SF to frustration, enough for Garcia to capitalize on it.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Sep 14, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs