30Q: When Will Tyreke Evans Get His First Start?
30Q asks the important questions about the Kings all through September.
It's safe to say that rougly 90% of the reasons I'm excited for the 2009-10 Sacramento Kings have to with Tyreke Evans. Some of it is a healthy Kevin Martin ... paired with Tyreke Evans. Some of it is a muscly Donte Greene ... getting fed by Tyreke Evans. A maturing Spencer Hawes ... playing off of Tyreke Evans. An improved defense ... led by Tyreke Evans. An improve fast break ... started by Tyreke Evans.
But we don't even know for sure how much Evans will play, or when he'll take over the starting point guard job. Paul Westphal -- who is the only vote that matters, really -- said his boss (Gavin Maloof) was inaccurate in saying during Summer League that Evans is the Day 1 starter. We can assume that's the idea for a multitude of reasons, that Evans will take over immediately.
But it's not unprecedented for franchises to put tomorrow on hold. After the jump, a quick look at how quickly top picks -- especially point guards -- take over the reins.
First, let's look at the top five picks from the past seasons. When did these players first slip into the starting five?
2008-09
- Derrick Rose started every game he played during his rookie season.
- Michael Beasley began the season as a starter before being moved to the bench beginning Nov. 28. He did not start in the playoffs.
- O.J. Mayo started (and played) every game of his rookie season.
- Russell Westbrook began the season as Earl Watson's back-up before becoming the full-time starter on Nov. 29. Watson was not injured when Westbrook took over.
- Kevin Love received his first start of the season in Minnesota's fifth game. However, he started only five games before Al Jefferson was lost for the season in early February. At that point he became the full-time starter.
2007-08
- Greg Oden missed the entire 2007-08 season due to microfracture surgery. He started the first game of the 2008-09 season, but was lost to injury. Upon his return, he came off the bench for seven games before taking the starting job for 37 games. He missed several weeks more at that point, and upon his return resumed a bench role.
- Kevin Durant has started every game he's played in the NBA.
- Al Horford began his rookie season as a starter, but came off the bench for four games in November before taking on a role as the team's full-time starting center.
- Mike Conley didn't start a game until January of his rookie season, and actually played only sparingly before that. He did start all but one game of his rookie year once he got his first start. He started 61 of 82 games in 2008-09, making way for Kyle Lowry in the others.
- Jeff Green started one game in November, but didn't become a full-time starter until December 29. He started every game of his sophomore season.
2006-07
- Andrea Bargnani started only two games his rookie season (the first coming in early December). Over the past two seasons, he has started 112 of 156 games.
- LaMarcus Aldridge started six straight games early in his rookie season, but returned to a bench role until becoming Portland's full-time starter March 1. He has started every game he has played since.
- Adam Morrison got his first start in his fifth NBA game. One game off the bench followed, and then he started 14 straight games. In the final four of those starts, he shot a combined 4-34. He has started only 13 games since then.
- Tyrus Thomas got his first start on January 13. He started only four games that rookie season. He began his second season as a starter, but was moved to bench by mid-November before returning to the starting line-up at the end of the month. He went back and forth throughout that season, and even came off the bench some during his third season.
- Shelden Williams was a starter from Day 1 in Atlanta. By December 12, he had been moved to a bench role. He started a string of eight games around New Year's due to an injury to Josh Smith. Once Smith returned, Williams didn't start another game until the final week of the season, when he received four starts. He has not started a single game for any team since then.
Assorted High-Profile Point Guards
- As mentioned, Derrick Rose started every game of his rookie season. Russell Westbrook became a full-time starter before the end of November. Mike Conley became a starter at New Year of his rookie season, but split starts during his second season.
- Chris Paul has started every game of his career. His debut was a 13-point, 4-assist performance against the Kings.
- Deron Williams took over Utah's starting point guard role from Milt Palacio after eight games his rookie season. He struggled, however, and Jerry Sloan moved Williams to the bench on December 27. He took over the starting job on February 25 (after a stellar match-up against Paul, in which Williams played 31 minutes) and has started every game he's played since.
- Rajon Rondo got his first start on February 2 of his rookie season. Doc Rivers moved Rondo to the starting line-up, shifting point guard Delonte West to the two-guard (where he has played ever since) and dropping Gerald Green to the bench. Rondo did bounce between the starting line-up and bench later that season, but has been the full-time starter in his second and third seasons.
- Dwyane Wade was initially slotted as Miami's point guard. He started from Day 1, though he did come off the bench in spots during that rookie season. He was later moved to shooting guard, where he plays today.
- Randy Foye got his first spot-start on January 21 of his rookie season, and had only one short string as a starter. In the two seasons since, he has started 92 of his 109 games.
What do we learn from all this? Teams aren't afraid to start high draft picks from Day 1, even point guards. It's a situational basis, with incumbent players (Mike James, Delonte West, Milt Palacio) sometimes blocking the path early. But top-five picks get at least some starts their rookie season, and many cinch up their starting position quickly.
I suspect Evans -- even if Beno Udrih starts Game 1 at Oklahoma City -- will do the same.
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I'm no fun I know
but I’m going reserve my vote until training camp and pre-season.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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I'm no fun I know
but I’m going reserve my vote until training camp and pre-season.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I'm no fun I know
but I’m going reserve my vote until training camp and pre-season.
(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist. And anyway, I agree.)
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by My Losing Season on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I am fun and I voted YES!
fun people capitalize and exclaim, it makes their fun more funner.
This is Sacramento, the Kings are facing another losing campaign and the fans have recently voted their interest by staying home and saying things like – Bleh! and yawning. Media-wise – what else is there to say? Kevin Martin is healthy? Hey, that Spencer Hawes got him some skills? More yawns to that.
Tyreke Evans represents a potential rookie of the year candidate and some hope for the future. Pop that cherry on Day 1. It might hurt, but I promise it will be better the more you do it.
by betweentheeyes on Sep 10, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, it's 10:30 PM
Ask your doctor about Viagra.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 10, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
So Tyreke Evans
is the little purple pill?
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by section214 on Sep 10, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Voted Yes
My vote shows how I feel about Beno. I’d rather start an unproven, raw Tyreke over Ben Udrih.
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by vfettke on Sep 10, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way about Beno
But my dream scenario is the Kings start Beno, he plays like he did two years ago, then we deal his ass at mid-season.
This also has the benefit of easing Tyreke’s intro to the big leagues. He is 19 after all.
by ttylerbballcamper on Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Another scenario I'd like
is Sergio earning the starting spot and us playing small with Tyreke and Kevin at the 2 and 3
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And another thing
why couldn’t Tyreke play the 3? I’ve mentioned this before but haven’t seen it out of anyone else. He’s 6’6", 220lbs. He’s bigger than last year’s starting SF by 13 lbs, and has about 20 lbs on Cisco, who is an inch taller. He’d be small for a 3, but not that small. Plus, he could easily take on some of the best SFs in the league both on offense and defense. Am I crazy for thinking this?
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I forget where
but have read others with very similar thoughts. I think it was in response to the thought of have two #2s as our best players leaving us to either play Martin or Evans.
The response I read was that Evans would create more mismatches at the #1 than at #3. I agree with, but also recognizehe would be faster and probably have a better handle than most #3s.
The nicest part is we have options either way. Either way I agree with you and ElRonToro below. He creates match up problems all over the board.
You've got to be able to hit the perimeter shot
to play the 3 on offense. So far he can’t.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Sep 11, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet in another thread you
call for the Kings to trade for Gerald Wallace, a career .303 – 3 point shooting SF. Averaging 1.3 attempts per game for his career.
Just for fun, go check out his “hot spots” chart(can’t link directly to his chart so you have to navigate to it). Dude shoots under 40% from everywhere but in the paint, well except for the straight away 3 where he was 3-6 for the season.
Just for the record, I have no interest in seeing Tyreke at the 3. I think he’s got a great shot to be a fine PG.
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 11, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
In the minority, but I voted no
I honestly can’t wait to see Evans in real game situations against NBA talent, I’m really, really excited to see what he can do. But right now I’d rather ease him into things. Evans can be played a lot of minutes even if he is not the starter.
If, after a couple of games, Evans shows that he is the better point guard, then he will have earned his starting spot. I’d rather see him earn the spot after a few games than see him given the starting role and then be demoted to the bench. Granted, if he is the Day 1 starter, it will be because he earned that spot in the preseason/training camp.
I think lttg and MLS probably have the right idea, in that it is too early to say.
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by Exhibit G on Sep 10, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I lean in that direction
Ease the man in and see how he handles it. On the other hand, if he blows up in preseason, unleash His Freke-ishness.
The Speed-Freke backcourt is going to be VERY interesting. Impossible not to be excited about that.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 10, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Beno
begins the season as the starter, but that Tyreke will take over before mid-season.
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by aKingisBored on Sep 10, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with G. I'm no fun I know. I voted no
I know this, Reke is the anointed one and is going to be playing big minutes regardless whether he starts or not. My reasoning is that we are going to have Beno on the team for a while unless he’s part of an insane Kevin Martin trade that would be senseless. I still think you have to show the vet’s some respect and I don’t see the point in having Beno sulk on the bench all season. I’ve actually been expecting him to come in and play well. If he can start the season he ended it, Reke is going to have to earn his minutes.
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I voted yes
With the caveat that this is by virtue of Evans outplaying Udrih and Rodriguez in the pre-season.
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Exactly!
I voted no with the same caveat. He should only start if he earns it. That is the only way for him to earn the respect of his team…and that is the only way Westphal will have the respect of the team.
I want the kid to be great
But will he be in as many Top 10 Kings highlights as Beno was?
I hope he earns the start because he’s better than anyone else at the point. But if he’s not, I suppose he shouldn’t.
Please be better than Beno.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I'm confident Reke will be in at least 1 highlight
So yes, he’ll have as many as Beno. Probably 10 times more.
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by Muff209 on Sep 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he becomes Day 1 starter
Because he outplays Beno and Sergio in pre-season. I think Westphal uses a few variation of starting lineups through the pre-season, maybe starting Reke one game, Beno another, and Sergio another.
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He should be the starter from Day 1
so we can at least see a few games of the Speed-Freke backcourt while Kevin’s still healthy.
::runs away quickly::
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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 10, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
Unless Beno turns into 2002 Mike Bibby...
then Reke should start from day 1. It’s not really a vote for Reke as it is a vote against Beno. If Reke shows he needs time in the preseason I’d even start Sergio Rodriguez over Beno.
No really, Beno needs to ask Kenny Thomas where he gets his custom seat cushions for his spot at the end of the bench.
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by Muff209 on Sep 10, 2009 2:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Voted yes, but
am having second thoughts…
It makes sense that you are building and giving your new talent valuable minutes. Each minute increases his integration into the team…
But why not be more strategic and start Beno. Get him good and pumped up, scoring and running the team well. Then trade him off with Kenny’s expiring contract (if that is possible).
That way Tyreke is eased into his new role can prepared to play the rest of the season once Beno is gone.
I think you ease him in slowly.
I’d rather Reke come off the bench for the first 10 games or so and let him ease his way in and get a feel for the game. I don’t want to see the KINGS put to much pressure on the kid right away. After all he’s only 19 yrs old. I’d hate to see him implode from all the pressure. Besides good things come to those who wait.
He’ll start sometime towards the end of Nov early Dec. I can’t wait to see him post up smaller guards and realy punish them down low. This is going to be a whole new offensive weapon that the Kings have never really had. A guard who can post-up smaller guards. He’s going to present so many mis matches on the floor that it should realy open things up for everyone else.
I can't imagine him imploding from the pressure.
This is Sacramento, not New York. The standard is set so very low at this point that I don’t think there is any reason not to let him learn on the job.
Peja-vu!
Let's just hope that quincydoubyitis isn't contagious
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by My Losing Season on Sep 11, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
do you want him frustrated because he's not meeting expectations...
or frustrated because he’s getting only spot duty and doesn’t feel like he’s able to get into the flow of the game…
I choose start him. Throw him out there.
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Reke will start from day one
of the regular season because he is goin 2 destroy everything in sight during pre-season & training camp
by allbenji's on Sep 10, 2009 6:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Without the benefit
of being able to watch preseason games, I would start him.
What do we have to lose really. As long as his confidence holds, he should play as much as possible.
If Westphal gets the starters comfortable playing with him right from the beginning of training camp he should be okay to go. Let Sergio and Beno play 2nd team.
Let him ease in
… on the three opening games on the road, then start him in the home opener.
No I want him to start on the road
It will give us a chance to see how he does defensively against Russel Westbrook, Chris Paul and Tony Parker. Plus, he’ll probably do way better defensively against those three than either Beno or Sergio.
Although we do have to play Beno extensively against San Antonio. He always plays decently well against them. Against the Clippers, he has to play 40 mpg too.
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There we go
A true platoon.
Start Beno against LAC and SAS. Start Sergio against POR. Start Reke against the other 26 teams.
by Tom Ziller on Sep 11, 2009 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Works for me
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Maybe we should pick up Jaric,
then we could play him against the Wolves! See Aykis, your plan’s got legs!
Victory is tasty.
Coaching to the abilities of
players is what we should do. I like your post in that the Kings haven’t really done a lot of playing match ups or mis-matches in the past games. I don’t count Theus’ going to Artest almost every play.
I would like to see this team play smarter.
I wouldn't be surprised
If Westphal actually intends to start Tyreke, but wanted to calm the Maloofs/fans down a bit and do things the proper way—officially go into training camp with the job open and let the Tyreke (or Beno or Sergio) win the spot there.
How about the crazy idea
of starting him when he earns it, like every other player on the team?
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Vfettke
Agreed
And my hope would be that the #4 overall pick could earn a starting job on a 17 win ballclub.
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And if he does
I am 100% for him starting. As long as we are starting him because he is the paoint pg when teh season starts and not because of the fact that we only won 17 games. You can have a lousy team, a great draft pick, and still not have the draft pick be the best at his position coming out of the gates.
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Vfettke
Let's look at this strategically....
Guys (PGs only) that started from day one in order of best-to-worst IMO:
Dwayne Wade
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Guys that started later:
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo
Russell Westbrook
Mike Conley
Randy Foye
SO….
the guys that have started from day one…the upside is Dwayne Wade and the downside is….Derrick Rose, if you can call that a downside – with the median being Chris Paul.
The guys that didn’t, the upside is Deron Williams, the downside is Randy Foye, and the median is Russell Westbrook.
Now he HAS to earn it. But given these examples, I’m sure rooting for Tyreke to be the opening day starter.
Am I missing something?
When did Wade become a point guard? Kind of skewed logic too. The best players start the season, therefor e if you start a player he will be the best? All for him earning it, but . . . having him start doesn’t make him the best.
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Vfettke
Tyreke is a starter from Day 1
His defense will more than make up for his inexperience at PG. If Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, and Brandon Roy are all primary ball handlers why can’t Tyreke Evans. He has the physical tools and ball handling skill comparable to all four guys above.

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