The Two-Minute Hate
by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 12:13 AM PDT
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PrintLook, it’s a long off-season, and we’re trying to stay occupied while we wait for the action to start. So sometimes we need to get creative.
Somewhat recently, there was a post where we all looked back nostalgically on our favorite Kings of the past. It was a great idea, and we all got a warm and fuzzy feeling from it. (Well, I did anyway.)
But for every Yin, there has to be a Yang. And so the thought hit me: Who is our LEAST favorite player of all time? I’m not talking about a King, although you may have one (his name might even rhyme with Veggie Prius). No. I say we cast a much wider net, where the fish are abundant, plentiful, copious, profuse, bountiful, numerous, and those are all the synonyms my on-line thesaurus gives me.
Some obvious candidates leap out, most of them associated with "The Dark Empire" otherwise known as Hell-A.
There is of course Kobe the Non-Consensual Adulterer. Hard guy to like. Not in-your-face obnoxious perhaps, but smug, arrogant, and with an exceptionally irritating smirk.
Then there’s Shaq-Daddy. The Diesel. The Big Aristotle. (My ass! Guy can’t even spell Aristotle.) He was the easiest to hate back in the day with his 7th-grade-level taunts and blowhardiness. Recently, though, he’s toned it down a bit, and has even veered dangerously close to making pro-Sacramento comments in recent years. But history is still history.
Then there are guys who give new meaning to self-absorbed---guys like Starbury, Sprewell, and Payton. There are notable cheap-shot artists like Bowen, Fortson, Malone, or Stockton. Incessant whiners like Bill Laimbeer, Rasheed Wallace, or even Brad Miller. And guys who just plain got on your nerves, of which the list is far too long to even contemplate.
So many choices. So little time.
But for my money, when the dust finally settles, one name rises above the rest: Rick Fox. FIRST…CLASS…A-HOLE! Gum-chewing, smarmy, cheap-shot pretty boy. Guy seemed to think he was God’s gift to basketball AND Hollywood. And, of course, he would never have amounted to a hill of poodle droppings if he hadn’t been playing with two of the most talented players of the modern era. Yet he seemed to think that he was a born champion. He wasn’t a terrible player, mind you, but basically his repertoire was limited to two things: shooting the three, and getting in Peja’s grill. But put him on any other team in the league, and his name would have elicited a collective "Who?". The guy just oozed smug obnoxiousness.
So there you have it. My two minutes are up. We will of course need to turn this into a poll---you know, to get some very important hard data. But first I wanted to get a sense of everyone’s all-time most stupendous unfavorites ever to disgrace the NBA hardwood. Have at it guys (and gals).
P.S. No point in doing a least favorite coaches poll. The results would likely be unanimous (although Andy made a pretty strong case against Pat Riley recently).
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I don't consider Rick Fox
a basketball player, so I’d say Kobe without any doubt.
I’d put Varejao (for his Paris Hilton like acting ability) and Noah (I think just for his face, I can’t explain why I hate him so much) in the mix too.
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
As much as I hate Rick Fox, there is no player that I will ever hate more than Robert Horry. He wouldn’t do anything eye popping during the regular season, or the first three and a half quarters of a playoff game and then, bam! Horry is draining a three on you to win the game. The kings along with countless other teams had their hopes and dreams smashed as a result. He basically single handedly changed the trajectory of our franchise. As clutch as he was, he was also lucky. Lucky to have all of those future hall of fame teammates on those championship teams, lucky to be in the right place at the right time, lucky to have more talented teammates willing to give him the big shot. I wish he wasn’t a generally good guy so I could really hate his guts.
Disclaimer: comments may have been made under the influence of alcohol. If the Kings start winning, this will probably change.
by Ball in Cup on Sep 12, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Also, I’m not a big Vince Carter fan. He slaps God in the face every time he decides to settle for a jumpshot.
Disclaimer: comments may have been made under the influence of alcohol. If the Kings start winning, this will probably change.
by Ball in Cup on Sep 12, 2009 2:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I
hated Kobe and Shaq during the heydays, but now I do respect what they do on the court.
My least favorite King was probably Olden P. Don’t know why, but I hated that dude.
My least favorite player on other teams is probably Allen Iverson … cause he’s a selfish player. and I do kinda hate Horry … only cause of the shot, though.
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Iverson
Easily one of my favorite players. Every NBA fan should seize the opportunity to watch the guy play live. Don’t watch any other part of the game, just keep your eyes glued to Iverson the whole time.
If you do that, I think you’ll respect the hell out of Iverson. Dude plays the game like somebody is paying him millions of dollars to play it. Gotta like that.
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+1
I went to a Blazers vs. 76ers game a while back when I was visiting family friends in Portland. One play where he got a rebound, flew down the court, faster than everybody (while dribbling) and made an easy layup just blew my mind. His speed and the control he has over his body just amazes me.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Sep 14, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This is fun
My least favorite player of all time would have to be Eduardo Najera. I blame him for Webb’s injury because I can. Rick Fox is up there on that list too. But Doug popped him a good one.
My least favorite player that’s played for the Kings, was from last season. Will Solomon. I hope he never gets signed to an NBA contract again.
And one of my least favorite current players in the NBA (Najera doesn’t really count, since he doesn’t really play) is Andrew Bynum, because I think he’s really overrated.
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My bad Aykis
I used “this is fun” as my title I didn’t catch your title so my apologies
by allbenji's on Sep 12, 2009 11:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If you don't mind me asking
Why Will Solomon? Not that I feel inclined to defend him or anything, but frankly I barely even noticed the guy’s existence.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Because every time he came into the game
He made the team noticeably worse. Like we’d be doing good, then Solomon would come in, and we’d get down by 15.
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I'm with Aykis
We were driving the “Will Solomon hate bandwagon” during that stretch last season
The future begins now...
Goldstein and the Armies of Eurasia
My least favorite people associated with basketball are: Bob Delaney, Violet Palmer, Jimmy Clark, Bennett Salvatore, Ken Mauer, etc. etc. ad nauseum….
by #12Pick...who? on Sep 12, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice 1984 reference! Rec'd
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Least favorite -
NBA player – Isiah Thomas (once a punk, always a punk)
WNBA player – Rick Fox
Kings player – Jason Hart
CD player – Goldstar (always skipped)
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by section214 on Sep 12, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Just curious
The other three are pretty well self-explanatory. But Jason Hart?
I mean other than the fact that the guy had a career season for Charlotte in a contract year before signing with the Kings and subsequently doing absolutely nothing to justify his contract. Similar complaints might be lodged against several Kings (non-)players over the years.
He strikes me as a strong candidate to win the coveted Most Likely to Have Gone Completely Unoticed During One-and-a-Half Seasons with the Kings Award.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He sucked every time he played,
and he complained that he did not play enough. I would put Tony Massenburg in the same category.
Coming to the defense of Wil Solomon and Jason Hart…are you a pro-bono attorney?
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Anti-bono
And that applies to U2 also.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What out for that tree...
Sorry. Very poor taste.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
^Watch
Not “What”
Maybe I should have just stayed in bed.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Can I make a list?
1. Kobe (arrogant, selfish, whiny and of questionable moral character)
2. Robert Horry (the shot, plus his hit on Nash)
3. Greg Popovich (coaches his players to play dirty)
4. Karl Malone (whiny, whiny thug)
5. Raja Bell (deliberately hit B-Jax in the face when he was playing with a broken cheekbone in the playoffs)
6. Kevin Garnett since he went to the Celtics, because he became a total jerk.
7. AI, Marbury, Artest, and any other distraction generating moron who doesn’t understand that basketball is a team sport.
8. Phil Jackson (smug, ugly and obnoxious)
9. Stan Van Gundy. He’s just disgusting.
10. Derek Fisher. One of my happiest basketball moments ever was watching him cry when the L*kers didn’t make the playoffs.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 12, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
If I could rec each one of these individually, I would
Alas, I cannot.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This is fun
Besides the obvious(kobe)
1.Bowen for being the dirtiest player to never EVER commit a foul
2.Garnett for all of his false bravado( just ask Anthony Peeler)
3.Ginobli who took over Vlade’s crown as king flopper
4.andy verajao for being the most overrated role player to hold out for a huge contract & actually get it, makes me sick
5. Sasha vujacic for being the girliest player ever & god I just can’t nattin stand that guy
6. D-fish for being the fakest “stand-up guy” ever
7.pau gasol for looking like a homeless man with an 8 figure paycheck
I could probobly go on & on
by allbenji's on Sep 12, 2009 11:22 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Totally with you on Derek Fisher
I absolutely cannot stand that smug phony.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
not anymore - now everyone Knows he was overrated.
The Lakers have a bunch of those guys, Bynum, Fisher, Walton, Sasha, Odem,
shows you what a Star (who I hate!) can do for a mediocre roster.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Drives me crazy
The Grizzle L@kers Pau Gasol trade hate hate hate it…O.P for sure least fav King tho
by B-RAD on Sep 12, 2009 1:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kobe
No doubt. Not enough bad thngs you can say about him. I respect him being one of the top players in the game but as a person you can’t help but hate him. I will probably never respect him as a person… and that’s harsh.
Honorable mention: Sasha “I look like a girl and only play in the NBA because of the system I’m in and because of the players around me” Vujacic. Ok.. that was too long. Just the way she looks is so annoyin. I wish I could punch her in the face daily. Can’t wait to see her cry after not winning the championship again. (Yes, I used “her” to refer to Ms. Vujacic)
The future begins now...
usual suspects
have already been mentioned, but i’ll add two cents about a couple of them.
derek fisher — useless but for two things: flopping and parking his ass somewhere out on the perimeter while waiting for a kick out
john stockton — had at least as many illegal back picks as he did assists. and to make matters worse, he was almost never whistled for a foul on those picks. and to make matters even worse than that, the defender was often whistled for a foul just trying to get around him (on a side note, one of my proudest moments as a kings fan was when webber decked him in game 2, 1999)
phil jackson — hypocritical, smug prick
last but not least — anybody who played for the celtics in the 80s
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Least favorite NBA player
Charles Barkley:
That bastard talked some much crap about the Knigs playing the Lakers in the Western Conf. Finals. He said we had no chance against them. I guess he knew the fix was in.
And I dont want to here crap from anyone like, “well, he just shares his opinion and I respect that”. You pussy, just because someone has an opinion doesn’t make it worthy of respect.
I think he is a dip $hit, and an a$$ hole of upmost proportions.
Speaking of proportions; fast bastard needs to loose some weight, too.
Ok, I feel better now.
Your imaginary arguments are getting pretty heated
But OK, we’ll include Sir Charles in the poll.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So when you saw Charles
was it good touch or bad touch?
Do you smoke grass in space Bowie? Or do you smoke astro turf?
Hate List
Robert Horry, for known reason.
Kobe(what non-LAL fan doesn’t hate him?)
Bowen, way too many cheap shots he made for his career.
Worst Kings player-K9 waste of money piece of $hit!
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Pervis Ellison
Rick Fox
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
As far as Kings players go, my vote goes to...
Nick Anderson.
Dude was overpaid, out of shape, didn’t play defense, and did nothing at all on offense except chuck 3-point shots up all game long, of which he missed more than two thirds. When Christie joined the team, Old Nick got exiled to the seventh level of Hades, never to be heard from again. Talk about dead weight. AND we gave up a future first round pick for the guy. I consider that to be the worst trade Petrie ever made.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 12, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions
Beno not on list yet?
Shocking.
Dead on with all the Lakers references.
At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Sep 12, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions
Robert Horry
Rick Fox
Manu Ginobili
Kobe
Shaq while on the Lakers
4 Lakers and one Argentine douchebag who has never committed a foul
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
You may ask what being Argentine has to do with anything
And the answer is: his doucheyness always seemed to be more a projection of his stereotypical Argentine pride than anything else.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Your explanation does not make it any better
Substitute African American or Latino for Argentine and the backlash would be palpable. We don’t need these types of comments here.
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Nationality versus ethnicity
Arguably a bit different.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry but
I see no difference. Maybe it is because I am from a different nationality and have Argentinian family.
I’m not offended but I do agree with section
The future begins now...
Ethnicity is genetic
Nationality is based on lines on maps, and is therefore often artificial. Sometimes the two coincide, but Latin America is not one of those places.
It strikes me that an Argentinian saying “Chilean ” is a lot different from someone of northern European heritage saying “Latino ”. On the other hand, one is often used as a substitute for the other, as in a white American saying “Mexican ”.
I guess what I’m saying is that there can be a difference, but it kind of depends on the individual case.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You can define it however you like in your personal travels - that is your right.
At StR it will not be tolerated. That is our right.
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I confess to being a bit fuzzy on this point
For example, in a separate thread I quoted a Monty Python phrase “Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards” from a sketch called “Prejudice”. For this I was not reprimanded, but perhaps I should have been. Similarly, if I referred to Steve Nash as “Damned Canuck” or Andrew Bogut as “Damned Aussie”, would I be in danger of banishment?
Let me be clear that I try never to make judgments based on ethnicity, nationality, or other factors that are irrelevant to personal character. But is tongue-in-cheek prejudice to be distinguished from actual prejudice? I think it is a case-by-case issue, sort of like pornography, it can’t be clearly defined but you know it when you see (hear, read) it.
Admittedly the tongue-in-cheek argument probably doesn’t apply to the original comment above. But when you say “it will not be tolerated” I want to make sure I fully understand what “it” is.
i also want to emphasize that my questions here are intended to be respectful and a genuine expression of a desire to understand the finer points of site policy.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
To say that you don't like someone and relate it to their ethnicity is not acceptable.
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Agreed. A concise and fitting summation.
Applies to nationality too.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 13, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see why what I said came across that way.
I should have worded it differently.
I don’t dislike him because he’s Argentinian. I dislike him because he’s cocky and not on my favorite team. I realized from the beginning that I should’ve worded it differently.
Either way, sorry for the offense.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Honestly, I meant no offense
Amongst Latinos, Argentinians are generally known as cocky. There’s an old joke that goes, “How does an Argentinian commit suicide? He jumps off his ego.” I’m not making a generalization—I’m just pointing out a pretty widely held stereotype. Of course, I recognize that just because something’s a stereotype doesn’t mean it’s true, and definitely not for the whole population.
More than anything, my explanation was saying that maybe Ginobili isn’t a douchebag after all. Maybe what I interpret as “doucheyness” is actually just his confident nature, which is not uncommon where he comes from.
Call me racist, but “stereotypical Argentine pride” hardly seems like a vile, racist comment. I’m pretty sure the rest of world sees Americans the same way. But, if what I said offended you, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it as a blanket “I hate Argentinians” statement. I actually have quite a few Argentinian friends, and they’re all very “orgulloso” in our sporting events (pickup basketball and indoor soccer).
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
My list includes:
Rasheed Wallace for bad character, technical fouls, and that annoying bald spot.
Kenyon Martin for being a dirty thug.
Anderson Varejao for the contract situation as stated above.
Rick Fox for being a dirty greaseball.
Allen Iverson because he represents to me everything that team basketball is not.
Sasha Vujacic because I hate the way he brushes his girly hair behind his ears.
There was a time when Rick Fox would get my vote hands down
but seeing the fear and helplessness on his face when Doug’s fist shattered his pretty little fantasy world made me pity him too much to hate him. It was like he suddenly realized “Oh my God, I really am a pathetic little bitch”. That must be a really crappy epiphany to have. And then he got beat down by a lady, swelling his bitchassedness to historic proportions.
Hating Rick Fox is like hating one of the delusional talentless schmucks that auditions for American Idol, sure that their screechy tonless warbling is just what the world’s been waiting to hear since the invention of sound. And then Simon pops their delusional bubble, and you can see on their face that they literally can’t believe what they’re hearing, as if they were just told that the sky is green. You don’t exactly feel sorry for them, you just regret that there are abnormal people in the world who just can’t be okay with the fact that they’re abnormal. I know I just called myself out, but it was necessary to show just how repulsed I am by Rick Fox.
That being said, my vote goes to Najera. I hate him so much that it kinda makes me hate the NBA a little bit too for enabling him. He gives “hustle” a bad name. I swear if the Kings had traded for him, I would’ve left a flaming back of poo on Petrie’s doorstep. I pure, straight hate him.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 14, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions
I agree, Rick Fox is off my list since he's now only remembered for getting
‘bitched’ by Christie.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Same reason I don't hate Rick Fox too much anymore
Thanks Doug!
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+1
Thanks Doug!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Relive it in its Glory!
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Hmmmm, I'd have to think a while but:
1. Marbury (a legend in his own mind)
2. R Wallace (punk)
3. Lambier (biggest whiner ever as a player?)
4. Kobe (as a rapist, – and talk about Fisher being a phony human being!)
5. Horry (because, well, you know, he has to be on the list)
6. Barkley (because I just hate his fat ass, and nothing was ever his fault)
7. Najera (should have played hockey you ignorant thug)
8. some other guys who I’m trying to forget
and a whole list of overrated or too lazy once they got thier money players that would require a whole fanpost
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
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