30Q: Desmond Mason? Really?
by Ziller on Sep 18, 2009 6:21 AM PDT
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30Q asks the important questions about the Kings all through September.
Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee did the heavy lifting in getting Paul Westphal to explain the signing of Desmond Mason to a one-year, partially guaranteed deal. (The move, in the fashion it's defended by the coach, seems to be Westphal-driven. That's the feeling I get talked to others, as well.) Since Mason is now a King, it seems appropriate to ask a question about him.
Hence,
Desmond Mason? Really?
"The biggest question is, 'Are we going to see the Desmond Mason of three years ago, or are we going to see somebody who really can't play anymore?' " Westphal said.
This is a trick question: the Desmond Mason of three years ago really couldn't play anymore. He shot a True Shooting percentage of .493 three years ago. On last year's 17-win Kings team, that would have only beaten Donte Greene, who happens to be 21 years old and full of potential, not 32 years old and coming off a major knee injury. That was the Desmond Mason of three years ago: terrible. So I'm not too excited about getting Desmond Mason of three years, even though the idea we could be so fortunate to get the Desmond Mason of three years is pretty danged optimistic, considering players tend to get worse and not better as they enter their thirties.
"It's kind of a no-lose situation. If he has recovered from the injury, he could help anybody."
I disagree that it's a "no-lose situation" -- that roster spot could be going to a younger player, a back-up center, a fan favorite, Chris Bosh's best friend from third grade, a younger player, Tom Ziller or a younger player. If you were hoping for one of those guys, and instead get Desmond Mason, well that seems to be a loss. And if we get to, oh, October 10 and figure out Desmond Mason really can't play anymore, well, then, you ain't ever getting those preseason minutes and training camp reps back. Or the money you're paying him to show up to training camp.
And again, Desmond Mason was not able to help anybody before his injury. He hasn't been able to help anybody since 2004-05. Five years ago. Five. Years. Ago.
"The message I want to send to the young players and probably to the loyal fans, as well, is that nobody is given playing time."
Having 13 players on your roster, apparently, does not guarantee that you can bench lazy players. It takes 14 players -- one of them being 32 years old -- to really put the screws of pressure on the kids. Before signing Desmond Mason, there was the chance Donte Greene or Omri Casspi might goof off in practice, unworried about the possibility of losing their invisible spot in the rotation because there isn't a 32-year-old breathing down their necks. NO MORE. Desmond Mason will prevent further popcorn shenanigans!
I am a loyal fan. I want to see Greene and Casspi (and Tyreke Evans) play. I'm not a coach, but I think there are ways to motivate young players without threatening them with a terrible, old player coming off knee surgery. Try cupcakes! Little children such Greene and Casspi loves cupcakes.
"We are going into this season trying to win as many games as we can and develop the players to the point where they can show improvement."
Amick left out the second part of this quote: "And really, what says 'we're trying to win as many games as we can and develop the players to the point where they can show improvement' more than signing a 32-year-old whose only claim to basketball excellence was his dunking skills eight years ago."
"Best-case scenario, we add a defensive presence to the two and three positions that I don't think we have anywhere else."
Oh no ...
"I think he's the kind of guy that you put on the other team's best scorer."
Oh god no.
Here are Mason's defensive ratings over the last five seasons: 113, 109, 109, 114, 111. League average hovers around 106 (though it varies by year). This means, by defensive rating, teams with Mason on the court give up 7, 3, 3, 8 and 5 more points than the average defender per 100 possessions. This is roughly comparable with Kevin Martin (though Martin's 2008-09 117 DRtg is a bit extreme). Kevin Martin is not known as an incredible defender.
Mason averages 0.8 steals per 36 minutes for his career. He has nearly been eclipsed by 6'6, four-year veteran Francisco Garcia in total career blocks. Mason played most of his minutes at shooting guard last season with OKC. According to 82games.com, pro-rated over 48 minutes opposing two-guards (who one would assume Mason was defending) outscored Dez 21-12. The opponents shot 51% to Mason's 41%. Mason turned it over 2.6 times to their 1.8 times. I'm sorry, but that is not good defense by the metrics.
I don't like to be pessimistic, but we are seeing the beginning of the justification for why Desmond Mason is on the court in the closing minutes of a tight game in February while Donte Greene waves a towel and Omri Casspi wishes he had a cupcake on the bench. This is not good, people.
At least with Mikki Moore we had awesome snake tattoos, and with Bobby Jackson we had everyone's favorite King from the Glory Era. With Mason, we just have burbling anger.
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I don't get it...
Unless Mason becomes a trade chip in the first 60 days of the season, I don’t follow the logic. Nothing against Mason, but as Sam Amick pointed out, we already have a logjam of swing guys when we could use another “big”. I’m hoping this is part of a bigger plan.
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I don't see this as a move
that will cripple our franchise. I admit this doesn’t make much sense & is probobly unneccessary but not the end of the world. For me it’s just a big meh, & another sign of the tight pockets of this 09 kings franchise. There are top notch bargain free agents that can be had for cheaper than any other year namely David Lee & Trevor Ariza. Young talented & relatively cheap & we sign D-mase & Big May
by allbenji's on Sep 18, 2009 7:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm still surprised we didn't even make an offer on Sessions.
I think we’ll really regret that.
I know we have Evans, Beno and Sergio, but still. When you can get talent like Sessions at that price, you have to make an offer, right?
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by PhutureKings on Sep 18, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he was only interested
in the bright lights of Minnesota. And not quiet, old Sactown
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I'm pretty sure Sactown didn't offer him anything.
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I was downing shots of Tequila w/ his Mom at the Phoenix Airport...
…she was on her way East to go see Nevada play in the NCAA tourney and being a NorCal guy I knew kinda who he was, but he was Nevada’s 3rd best player behind Nick Fazekas and Kirk Snyder.
Anyways, she was all amped up talikn about her boy and how he was the toughest guy on the team, and we ended up taking a bunch of tequila shots together and I was kinda stoked cause I knew who he was but when I got to my destination (Vegas), none of my friends (who are big sports guys) really knew him. Crazy how his pro stats are so much better than his college stats. I don’t think he ever rolled more than 25 a game at Nevada but they throw him in behind M. Redd at a little shooting guard and the guy puts up DWade #s. (40+ points, 10+ assists).
Point of the story, I was doing tequila shots w/ his mom cause she liked that I knew who her son was…now I wish he was on the Kings.
Dannyboy
Thank you for the clarification, Ziller
I read Westphal’s quotes with the furled brow of confusion. Thank you for dispelling the non-sense.
Does anyone have any legitimate reason for this pick-up?
I can't lie.
I think I picked him up on my fantasy basketball team 6 or 7 years ago. I believe he was good for one stat, but for the life of me I can’t remember what it was.
Good news / bad news
The good news is that it appears that Westphal has some input regarding the roster. The bad news is that this may mean that no trades are brewing, and I am really only comfortable with this pick up if it leads to the trade of another swingman, hopefully for a back up big man.
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Or unlike Theus
Westphal knows the FO game and has a good enough relationship with Petrie that Petrie can tell him, hey we’re picking this guy up because we’ve got a trade in the works so play along, and Westphal is willing to hold the company line to Amick unlike Theus who would say dumb shit like “I don’t know what the hell they’re doing in the FO.”
Fear of the unknown?
Can this just be the reaction of a coach that has a roster of unknowns with little idea of what he is actually going to get out of them? Here is a known quantity he can get on the cheap and a person who he clearly really likes. It must be kind of intimidating to come on with such an inexperienced team…
Or, is this just Petrie’s insecurities being reflected in signing people to big contracts that have not worked out. Is he just afraid to get himself and the team into a bigger signing, such as a free agent of note, because he has really been unable to do very well with experienced talent. It is either that, at a subconscious level, or that he is saving cap space for somebody bigger down the line and maybe some of both…
There are more reason why I feel confused and worried by this signing. I hope that this coach and our GM can work effectively to make good choices for this team. This doesn’t seem like a good beginning. I hope i am wrong…
Not to doubt Petrie's free agent skills but...
…I’m totally doubting them. Sure, Westphal may have had a hand in this signing, but this is bordering on insane. Unless we run a crazy NBA version of the Wildcat offense and put five guys who play the “2” position on the floor. Evans, Martin, Mason, Garcia, and Greene. Brilliant, I see what they’re up to now.
The poll is missing a "Seriously, Desmond Mason!!!???" option
For those of us who are still trying to wrap their heads around the “why” part instead of the “how do I feel about this part”
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by Muff209 on Sep 18, 2009 9:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
My thoughts ...
… are sort of along the lines of Mustangs first paragraph. Mason is a known for Westphal in the locker room. A conduit if you will, someone who knows a little about how Westphal works, his style and can be a bridge to the rest of the team.
At 32 years old, with gimp knee and limited skill to start with, Mason’s best value is probably only in this unique situation. He can be the locker room gyroscope for a new coach with a young team.
So Desmond Mason is the new Sharif?
A dull-yellowed-cracked light just came on in my head.
Could Mason be nothing more than a assistant player-coach?
Probably not, but everyone at STR is trying to justify this signing anyway we can.
As you can see from my Fanpost
I’m in the “Oh God No” category. The guy can not shoot, his defense according to statistics at least is sub-par, and his offense in general is terrible. Also he doesn’t seem to be the type of guy we need that could coexist with Tyreke at the point since they’re both slashers who need the ball.
I don’t like this signing at all, unless we’re trading a wing soon.
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RIP Dalton too
Take the biggest guy in the world, shatter his knee and he’ll drop like a stone.
Dannyboy
Voted discouraging
before reading past the jump, and feel stronger about it now. I wonder how many “Ehs” want to downgrade after reading more?
A Challenger Appears!
It looks like there may be a new contender for team whipping boy.
Not really
I think it just shifts to Geoff Petrie right here.
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My thoughts exactly
Here’s to GP’s relatively weak free agent acquisition skills…
It’s time for “LOLZ, WE CAN GET LEBRON THIS YEAR IF WE TRADE KENNY THOMAS, FRANCISCO GARCIA, AND DESMOND MASON!!! I KNOW BECAUSE ESPN TRADE MACHINE SAID SO, OMG!!!” posts, yay! (And no, Desmond Mason isn’t on the Kings roster on the Trade Machine—yet)
GP is obviously still trying to find someone to replace Douby.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
At least Douby could shoot.
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They probably go in more than Masons
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I have the same comment I've had for three days
Huh?!
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The Kings are trying to justify this signing to me on Twitter
They’re pushing the no risk to get a look at a defensive minded player line. Which, scrolls up to re-read post is total bullshit.
But I’m getting the feeling this is more of a training camp invite than an actual contract offer.
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by Muff209 on Sep 18, 2009 11:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
exactly. Thanks for the sanity.
Its a non-guaranteed contract. Isn’t it possible that Westphal is doing a favor for a vet he liked giving him an opportunity to play in the pre-season and see what’s left in the tank? If something remains of his career, its more likely that he gets cut and picked up by another team prior to the start of the season, or gets a 10 day down the road. If he makes our team, he provides a little locker-room leadership and can be added to other pieces to make a mid-year deal. The acquiring team either keeps or cuts him at no cost. I know its September, but there is way too much hyper-ventalating about picking up a 14th bench player.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 18, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul Shirley owes his entire NBA career to Tim Floyd doing him a favor just like this
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by Muff209 on Sep 18, 2009 12:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No need to panic...
Mason probably just reached out to his old coach to give him a chance. It sounds like Westphal thinks a lot of Mason’s character as a person. And from everything I’ve read, Westhpal is someone who will always try to help. To me, that is a good thing!
sorry; new to this site
who is chris bosh’s best friend from third grade?
Someone who would presumably entice Chris Bosh to sign with us in the offseason
Hey, I just had an idea. What if Desmond Mason is Chris Bosh’s friend from 3rd grade or something? Then this signing makes totally sense
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by Muff209 on Sep 18, 2009 12:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's idea was this, GP or PW?
At this point, what concerns me most is “Why did GP change his mind?”. Just a couple of days ago he said we were going with a 13 man roster. Why did he change? Is he having an senior moment? Did he forget so quickly what he was planning to do? Is he thinking this is 2004 and Mason is a guy worth having? Or, was this PW’s idea, and he talked Petrie into doing it.
This is also concerning. Aren’t GP & PW talking. If PW has concerns about the defense and leadership, shouldn’t GP know this through their conversations. Shouldn’t he have known that PW might want to add someone, and if so, why would he say were going with 13.
Certainly, a guy coming off of a knee injury at age 31, can’t be the best backup 2 guard available even at the vet min price tag. And, he’s certainly not filling a need as backup 3. We’re not getting any money to take him, like so many of the trades at the last deadline, and it’s going to cost something.
I only hope he does bring Veteran Leadership to the team. Because it certainly doesn’t look like we have any in the FO or coaching staff. Does anyone know the early signs of alzheimer’s.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
As if Petrie has ever been entirely forthright regarding trades and such.
The guy is like the CIA of GMs…he spreads disinformation and engages in subterfuge. I like that about him.
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by PhutureKings on Sep 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about that anymore
I think that’s more of a myth now than anything. Many were saying before the draft that the Kings were high on Evans, hoping that such chatter was actually smoke to force Rubio down. But, Rubio fell anyway and the Kings took Evans instead.
Similarly, on the trade front, the Peja for Artest rumors were running wild (for years) before that deal was finally done. The Miller move, too was predicted by many. More recently, there were reports of the Nocioni deal before it was made (and I remember many of us hoping the reports were wrong).
Perhaps you could argue that nothing has come out about Petrie’s free agency moves. But that, especially more recently I’m afraid, is instead reflective of the fact that Petrie has done essentially nothing.
Here's what I think...
Petrie took on Nocioni’s long term contract to offset the cost John Salmons would have made and get rid of Brad Miller’s expiring 10 or 12ish mil/season contract. This season, GP is throwing around minimum contracts like they’re nothing for bench fodder that the Kings don’t even need.
On one hand, the Kings’ upper management is complaining they’re pissing money away, due to the current economic situation. On the other hand they’re pissing away money on contracts. In recent memory; Lobster Claws, Beno’s overpaid contract (this isn’t hindsight, GP could have done better because there were no other bidders), these min w/ some money guaranteed contracts, and even arguably Garcia’s contract were all bad decisions by GP. This is exactly what frustrates me with this team. I wouldn’t be surprised if GP offered May or Mason a mid-level if they played well by the end of the season.
When the Beno offer was made the Clippers were interested in the same deal
I know it wasn’t official until post B Davis but I’d bet the offer was already on the table and the Kings decided they couldn’t withdraw/resubmit it if they really did want Beno – which apparently they did.
They also do have to deal with player agents and those types of moves are death for future negotiations.
Now, SAR and Bonzi?
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by lietothegirls on Sep 18, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there is more to this acquisition
than meets the eye. Look for a trade later in the season that will bring light to this hire.
Even if I am wrong, if Westphall wanted this deal then Im cool with it. Let him sink or swim based on his own abilities and decisions. If this had cost tons of money(basketball $) or left us with no roster spot open then I might reacted differently.
Time will tell…..
financially, i'm indifferent
I think you’re right. It gives them until Jan to make a move of Noce, then they can decide to keep Mason on. But, if they can’t get a move done by Jan, Mason’s not guaranteed til then and they can let him go.
It’s the playing time for Donte and Casspi that I’m worried about.
I bet Caspri goes into the developmental league.
I’m with you on Donte. This is the year to see if he is really NBA material. I think his new size will really help him break through.
by nothingbutnet on Sep 19, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
In the end who does this really hurt?
Does it really look like Mason, aged and brittle as he is, will make a play at taking time away from our developing threes? Even if he does, under what circumstances will it happen? It doesn’t look like he was a “We need a 3 to start for us” kind of move. He looks like an insurance policy. At the moment there are two people on the team who stand in the way of big minutes for O and D, i.e. Noc and Flaco and these two have earned their minutes. Noc might not be in the future plans, but we’re not in the future yet. At present, if Omri or Donte want minutes, they should have to take them from the people who’ve already earned them, not just inherit minutes by default. If they don’t play up, Mason is a known commodity—not a great commodity, but one that might add value to the team. If he doesn’t pan out as such, he is a cheap write off. Plus there is plenty of cap space and a roster spot still open for the elusive back up center.
Any minute taken from those kids would be precious
not that I disagree at all otherwise.
MLS’s comment below holds real weight to me. Perhaps this is just a training camp signing. He provides competition in camp and when the kids win spots over him – it builds thier confidance.
Not a bad plan really.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Sep 18, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't thinking there was any actual plan to it
Just that the guys knees may be wrecked and he simply cannot play.
In which case the logic behind the move still completely escapes me.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Sep 18, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Something that just occurred to me
about my own initial nervousness re: this trade. In the last few years the Kings development of younger players has in part been hindered by coaches playing favorites. When I saw the Mason signing announced then saw that Westphal had a history with him I was immediately concerned we were going to have to struggle through more stunted growth due to favoritism. So in part I think some of my skepticism comes from my unfamiliarity with Westphal. Not his fault really.
In regards to the “Any minute taken would be precious” comment, I agree, although in a carrot and stick dichotomy, i.e. some of those minutes lost may create precious motivation.
I also agree with MLS’s comments.
If this really is a non-guaranteed contract
And he gets cut in training camp, it’ll be one of the biggest false alarms in StR history.
Otherwise I’m still baffled.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Sep 18, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe Desmond's job is
to only dunk during practice, thus forcing Spencer and JT to hone their shot blocking skills when a highflyer is charging at them
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on Sep 18, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
Im pretty sure I posted a few days ago that the Kings need some veteran leadership i the locker room. Im pretty sure I got blasted and was told that the coaches do that, and there will be no need for a veteran in the locker room…
And so comes Dezi-lou…
And I ask again, why not Jackson? B-Jax would have been great in the locker room. He has a vocal presense AND leads by example on the court.
Blasted?
Here were the responses to your thread jack –
we got enough coaches And Kevin needs to be the leader. No Bobby necessary.
by Ice_9ine on Sep 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
.
I love Bobby Jackson (Begin threadjack participation)
But he was on this team all last year and we saw only 17 wins. B-Jax was not the cause, nor is he the cure.
With Evans, Martin, Rodriguez, Udrih and Garcia on the roster, there are no minutes for the aging Jackson on the floor, and I can’t see the Maloof’s giving him an NBA veteran minimum contract to "coach" while wearing short pants.
Additionally, Jackson was pretty vocal about his displeasure over the way last season went. And while I admire him for that, I’m not sure that he is hardwired to play another season for a bottom five team.
Bobby needs to find a contender that could utilize him in shor bursts off the bench, or he needs to retire. Whatever he does, I wish him the best. One of the all time great Kings.
(End threadjack participation)
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by section214 on Sep 12, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s your definition of “blasted?”
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well
I can be the first to admit in less than a-hole fashion that I may have over stated jackson, but I did state that
A, Kevin is not a leader yet
B. we need veteran leadership in the locker room
So, if your happy with this sort of veteran leadership in the locker room instead of a fan favorite in B-jax, then, my thousand apologies.
No apologies needed
My only beef was that you took an objective, opposing viewpoint as “getting blasted.”
But if you think that a guy that is fighting for a roster spot with a non-guaranteed contract is going to provide some sort of veteran leadership, you’re much more optimistic than I am. And Jackson’s leadership days as a player are behind him. Leaders are are rotation guys, major players. As much as I love B-Jax or the idea that Mason might possess those talents, I just don’t believe that leadership comes from the seats on the bench.
Riddle me this – if the leadership can’t come from the coaching staff, then how can it come from players sitting near the end of the bench, whose best days are behind them? Why would any of the young players on this team be more inclined to take their lead from Desmond Mason than Kevin Martin? Or Francisco Garcia? Or Jason Thompson? Or Paul Westphal or Mario Elie or Truck Robinson or Pete Carril? We’re not talking about Clyde Drexler or Scottie Pippen here. We’re talking about Desmond Mason.
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b-jax
Here is my argument for B-jax.. going under the assumption that he would even WANT to return to the team..and at his age, I wouldnt either.. but
in the last 3 months of the season, or the ‘dog days’ of the NBA, because, as much as I love this game, even I think it is a pretty grueling schedule.. but in the last 3 months he posted 11pts 2ast s 4rbs and a 35% 3pt average. In my opinion, in a 17 win season, that is leadership by example. He went out and played as hard as he could every night. And I think those averages are a bit mis guided given the fact that several games, he was at 18 minutes or less a game. But in the games where he was at 25 to 30 minutes a game, he was posting 18 points and almost 50% long range. That is something we will never ever get from Desmond. Locker rooms need veterans who can give you production in limited minutes even in a season bound for the lottery.
Sure, the guys can take leadership from desmond as he sits nexst to K-9 (woof.. everybody seems to be doing this..im new to the forum) in a suit. But, just like the revolving door of coaches, why would you want a revolving door for vet. leadership.
I absolutely agree that leadership needs to be from the coaches..but Im talking about a different kind of leadership, and Im sure you know that. My boss at work leads me, but he is just that, my boss. He expidites tasks for me to complete. It’s the attitude in which I complete said task that is dependant on the teammates I have around me.
Cisco, kevin, JT, Donte, Tyreke.. they will all be given tasks to complete courtousy of Westphall, Shareef etc.. When they tackle these tasks in a game however, their attitude and swagger will be a direct product of those playing along side them. B-Jax is known in that locker room. He is given automatic respect. He left it out on the court every single night in that 17 win season, and when players werent playing as hard as he wanted them too, you saw bobby calling them out in the huddle (at least I did.. havn’t missed a game in 8 years.. save for the few years it was on News 10, but thanks to CSN, my DVR is jam packed full of games).
I would MUCH RATHER have Bobby in my locker room as a proven vet. who not only recieves, but comands the respect and ears of the younger players, than Desmond Mason, who may not even be on the roster come the start of the season, or sometime in January.
Now, I don’t say this thinking Desmond may become a locker room cancer, because everything I have read about the guy says that he is a hard worker, and never causes problems.. But, it’s just not the guy I would pick to be a veteran leader in a locker room full of young guys who have had 3 coaches in as many years, and until Kevin can make his voice as loud as his shot is, he is not a leader. It was the same problem we had with Bibby. After webb was gone, Bibby was going to be the leader. He told the Bee and anybody that would listen “This is my team”.. The problem with Bibby though, as good a player as he is, is that his voice is just not heard. He lacks the ability to comand attention from the other players.
Thats all for now.
Dude, Why'd you have to blast him?
I’m kidding! ;p
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 21, 2009 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
My real concern isn't that Mason stinks
because we can not play him if he stinks. But what if he does well, and we give him Beno dollars for the next 5 years? That’s my concern.
Because, yeah, now that he’s on our team, I want him to be good. We can question the signing all we want, but I’m thinking we’re all hoping he does something positive with our team. Only, not at the cost of a crazy extension.
On the other hand, maybe they signed him to make Donte & Omri look good by comparison.
Sean May is not fat. It's widescreen distortion.
No problem
Mason doesn’t have 5 years of career remaining!
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
You know that, and I know that
but does the front office know that?
Well, they probably do… they’re not stupid. It’s not like we’ve overpaid players for far too long in the past. And we’ve been lucky that whomever we’ve signed long term has seen out their contracts with their A game intact. :)
Mase, 4 more years!
Sean May is not fat. It's widescreen distortion.
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