30Q: Will Kevin Martin Be an All-Star?
30Q asks the important questions about the Kings all through September.
The Kings figure to, for the first time since 2004, have representation at All-Star Weekend in Dallas this February. If you could bet on whether Tyreke Evans makes the Rookie Challenge game, I would advise you to take that bet. Evans is an early favorite for Rookie of the Year ... and early favorites for Rookie of the Year, provided they don't Morrison it up, typically get picked for the game.
But we're all a bit more concerned about another potential berth: Kevin Martin in the big show. I first talked All-Star with Martin back in 2007, when Ray Allen got traded to Boston. Martin, who was entering his second season as a starter, demurred, saying that he hadn't thought about it, but if the team was successful he, Ron Artest and Mike Bibby would get All-Star attention.
The team was not successful, of course. Neither was the 2008-09, in which Martin missed nearly all of December with an injury that ruined his season. Had Martin missed no games before the selection process, one could imagine he would have gotten the nod over David West, an iffy selection by the Western coaches.
So what about this season?
Here are 2008-09 Western All-Stars who are locks to return to the All-Star Game, assuming no major injuries:
Here are 2008-09 Western All-Star veterans I would not bet against in 2009-10:
That's six fairly sure things. And now, preliminary candidates whose chances I would rate higher than Martin's:
- Chauncey Billups
- Amare Stoudemire
- Carmelo Anthony
- Deron Williams
- Kevin Durant
- Al Jefferson
- Tony Parker
- Pau Gasol
Now we're up to 14. I think it's fair to slot Martin here -- he's a step ahead of (or at the top of) the tier which contains Nene, Jason Kidd, Ron Artest, Luis Scola, Carlos Boozer, LaMarcus Aldridge, David West, assorted others I'm surely forgetting. There's also the substantial possibility that Yao Ming is elected as a starter despite sitting the season out.
This is mixed news. Martin is certainly in the mix, given that a few stars suffer maladies at the start of every season. But there's heavy competition, and the odds are (again) stacked against him. It's a bit unfortunate (inasmuch as All-Star status actually matters), because Martin is the No. 3 shooting guard in the entire conference, and perhaps No. 5 or No. 6 in the league. But there continues to be a wealth of elite point guards and power forwards out West, and positionality isn't a huge concern in an exhibition, obviously.
So we'll need those fingers for crossing. Martin deserves the recognition that comes with All-Star status, and I hope he gets it this season.
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Yao's out
The media puts together the ballot, so I would be surprised to see Yao on the all-star ballot.
People put too much of an emphasis on winning and the Kings probably won’t win enough games for the coaches to vote him in unless he’s dropping 30 points a night.
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If Martin ever became a good passer he
would make the All-star game. I know he’s the shooting guard and not the point guard, but
right now teams know that a high percentage of the time he’s holding on to the ball and looking for his own shot. If teams had to respect his passing ability it would bring his level of play to new heights. I hope this was an area of focus for Kevin over the summer. Because of his known great offense teams tend to swarm him on defense, how many easy baskets would the Kings get if he became a good passer?
Ba-da
Really?
K-Mart is arguably the most efficient scorer in the NBA. He needs to shoot more, not less. K-Mart will not hesitate to move the ball to an open teammate. I don’t see passing as an issue for him. He holds the ball momentarily, only to read the defense in preparation to make his move, and because he knows the man in front of him is too slow to stop him. Foul, bucket, or and-1 is what comes next.
I agree
that the best shooter on the team should, perhaps, maybe, shoot? Why should the best shooter pass the ball instead of shoot?
We need to stop trying to turn every other player into the PG we are missing and play each player to their strengths for a change.
I don't think...
….it’s that arguable. He really is the most efficient scorer in the NBA, ESPECIALLY when you factor in that he’s a guard and scores from a variety of ways from the field.
Werd.
Foul, bucket, or and-1 is what comes next.
Agreed on all points.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
I know he's an efficient scorer and I understand I'm nit-picking, but
he averaged 2.7 assists per game last year. To become a better overall player and not just a scorer this needs to improve. I already know he can shoot, and so does everyone else in the league, but can he make the players around him better this year? I hope so.
Ba-da
Hmmm...
If you had picked his lackluster defense I would be with you as it takes both defense and offense to win games, but it isn’t KMart’s fault this team needs a true PG. I also don’t think it is his fault that he hasn’t had more assists.
It seem, in watching the games, I remember that if he could not make his shot that the expectation was that he gave the ball back to Beno or the other person who played the role of distributor.
I don’t think that he has been expected to distribute the ball so how can his lack of assists really count against him?
If the Kings record is stinky
leading up to the all-star break, K-Mart’s only chance would be to be averaging about 28 to 30 points a game, and be Top 3 NBA.
In other words:
(1) LeBron
(2) K-Mart
(3) Brandon Roy
If he stays healthy, and Westphal designs an offense around him, and his teammates get him the ball, he can average close to 30 points a game. Although, K-Mart has been known to go through stretches where physically tires. I think his motivation to bulk up a little this off-season are with that in mind.
If K-Mart is Top 3 scorer, even if our record is a stinky 12-28, maybe coaches give him the all-star nod.
It's all about health
If Martin is injury-free and shows the kind of flashes we saw pre-injury last year, especially if coupled with improvements in other parts of his game, he’s going to be very hard to ignore.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 20, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions
Write it down, take a picture, I don't give a f*ck...
Because you are correct. If he is healthy, and that gets him 40+ games, he will be an all star
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Sep 20, 2009 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can probably agree with that
Since he was on a tear last year before he was injured. Remember how we were? We were 3-4 before he got injured. The sad thing is thats almost a 5th of our win total for the season in the first couple weeks of the season.
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Should
Should be an All-Star. Bad team with no national games (ok – one this year) Unless we do better than expected – its tough.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's what I think
The lack of positionality causes a problem. It’s Guards, Forwards, and a Center. Not point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, center. Basically he’ll have to outplay Nash, Paul, D-Will, Parker, Kobe, Roy, Kidd, Manu, Billups. You also have to keep in mind that Iverson is back in the West too and for some strange reason the voters/coaches don’t like leaving him out of the All Star Game. So that’s 10 potential guards ahead of Kevin, with 6 likely being selected.
Let us assume that of those 10, only 2 are mortal locks for the All Star Game: Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul. Barring catastrophic injury those two are in for sure and anyone arguing otherwise should probably start watching a different sport. They could have nagging injuries that force them to sit and rest, but its doubtful since superstars of their caliber don’t turn down competition. Hell, Kobe’s still get a jacked up couple fingers on his shooting hand that he’s been playing with for something like a year and a half including the Olympics, a championship run, and last year’s All Star Game where he was co-MVP. These two are in.
The next tier are the guys that are near mortal locks. Deron Williams hasn’t been selected to an All Star Game yet, which is a travesty. I believe he was battling injury last year, so his exclusion makes sense. Brandon Roy also goes on this list. I see no real way he doesn’t make it. Billups rounds out the bottom of this list. There’s a very likely possibility that his team just implodes this year and he doesn’t make it.
That leaves us with the 5 guys I see as most likely to not make the All Star Game. All of these guys have a strong chance to make it, but these are the most likely to miss it. It’s possible that Kidd and Nash may not make it due to being the oldest of the bunch and being past their primes. Then again the All Star Game is infinitely more fun with guys like Kidd and Nash around, plus Kidd may be a coaches pick due to the game being in Dallas. The next most likely to miss would be Iverson. Let’s face it, they love putting him in the All Star Game. It’s an exhibition game, which quite frankly, the best possible way to watch Allen Iverson. However, the Grizzlies are gonna suck this year. They sucked last year, and Iverson doesn’t make them much better. I honestly think he misses out. Last, we have Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli. Both play for Greg Popovich who has no problem with his guys skipping the All Star Game and resting for the postseason. Timmy D doesn’t have a ton of gas left in the tank, so I think these guys don’t get selected or opt to skip it so they can go on one more championship run, plus Manu’s only been an All Star one time and I don’t see him making another All Star Game at the age of 32.
To sum it up, there’s 11 All Star guard candidates including Kevin. Let’s assume 6 are selected. Manu, Parker, and Iverson are out. That leaves 8. I think Nash misses but Kidd stays. That’s 7. That means one of the other guys either has to flat out not make it (Billups) or someone has an injury they deem worth skipping the All Star Game for. Then again that injured player could be Kevin. Basically, there’s an outside shot Kevin makes it this year, but I definitely think we can get our hopes up.
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by vfettke on Sep 20, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Players from losing teams
usually only make the all-star team if they are insanely good or they are on a big market team that sucks. Martin is going to need to be great and the Kings will need to be showing at least some signs of life if he is to be invited to all star weekend, unless foul drawing is added to the skills challenge.
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Can't shoot quick enough
Kevin’s windup before he shoots means he couldn’t get enough shots off in 60 seconds. Hurrying his shot might also impact its accuracy. I’m not sure how well he would do.
Couldn't he just start his windup
grab the ball on the way past the rack and shoot? His windup might actually be an advantage. ;p
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 20, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
So combine the windup and the ball grab?
That just might be crazy enough to work. Although he might not get enough shots off the fact that he’ll make so many of them could be a huge advantage to him
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It could happen if
these things happen:
1. Kings win more games or at least have competitive losses.
2. Two to three of those players on the “fairly sure” list get injured.
I’d hate for number 2 to happen but it’s the unfortunate truth. K-Speed truly deserves to be there but it probably won’t happen.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
If Kevin scores 30 per
& plays 90% of the games we wont have a horrible record so he it won’t be a factor. As good as Kevin is that is an amazing accomplishment in todays NBA.
by allbenji's on Sep 20, 2009 2:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
There's a whole lotta depth at the Guard positions in the West
I really doubt Martin makes the All-Star game because the Kings will probably be at the bottom of the list, again, this year. If Martin has consideration for the All-Star game, he’ll be competing with Billups for the final G spot.
Don't rule out...
McGrady or Iverson. If they put together decent first halves then I suspect their name recognition will be enough.
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Unfortunately I don't think Kevin will make it
simply because the Kings never get any love, and we’ll probably be at or near the bottom of records by all-star break. I do think ’Reke and JT will make the Rookie-Sophomore game though (JT should have made it last year but whatever).
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Western All Star Back Court Stats at last year's all star break
Plus Kevin. For discussion:
Player G FG% 3P% FT% R A S B TO PPG
Kobe Bryant 53 0.473 0.353 0.869 5.5 4.9 1.3 0.4 2.7 27.3
Allen Iverson 50 0.419 0.298 0.786 3.2 5.2 1.7 0.1 2.7 18.1
Chauncey Billups 50 0.416 0.384 0.901 2.6 6.2 1.4 0.2 2.1 18
Brandon Roy 48 0.474 0.392 0.819 4.7 5.1 1.1 0.3 2 22.7
Chris Paul 47 0.496 0.361 0.857 5.3 10.72.7 0.2 3 21.3
Tony Parker 42 0.487 0.351 0.805 2.8 6.5 0.9 0.1 2.6 20.2
Kevin Martin 32 0.419 0.425 0.864 3.3 2.5 1.1 0.1 2.7 24
I don't think it will happen this year.
What I’d like to see is for Kevin to stay healthy and have his best season yet. Get mentioned often in the “All-star snubs” columns and then enter next season with some “All-Star” buzz, and make it next year. I can see that happening.
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Scoring 30 this year
won’t help his reputation of putting up good scoring numbers on a bad team. The team has to make a marked improvement, or Kevin needs to work on his defense to improve his rep as an all-around player.
How about JT on the Soph roster for the rookie/soph game
that would be 3 kings in the game, I like it
Who are the other two? Tyreke, and...?
Omri? Seems like a stretch
Although, I wouldn’t be totally surpised if Stern pulled some strings to make sure he was there. The first Israeli NBA player at All Star Weekend would be great
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Here's my picks for the Rookie Team for next year
C – Hasheem Thabeet (mainly because there literally is no other center)
F – Blake Griffin
F – Dejuan Blair
G – Tyreke Evans
G – Jonny Flynn
Subs
G – James Harden
G – Stephen Curry
F – Jordan Hill
F – Tyler Hansbrough
I don’t see Omri making the team.
As for Sophomores:
C – Brook Lopez
F – Michael Beasley
F – Kevin Love
G – OJ Mayo
G – Derrick Rose
Subs:
C – Greg Oden
G – Russell Westbrook
G – Courtney Lee
F – Jason Thompson
The Sophomore team is really tricky because the 2008 draft is really deep. I wouldn’t be surprised if JT didn’t make it if someone like Randolph with more media hype emerges.
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I bet they just go with Griffin at C
and start Hansbrorough, or maybe even go small with Harden. Of course, this is a long way away…
Hill could probably start at Center too
He’ll probably spend a lot of time there in New York and that way they could play Lee at the 4.
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The question isn't whether or not Martin is good enough...
But whether or not the Kings will be good enough to get Martin into the ASG.
Arguably, I might even put Boozer and Okur up there with Yao being out, big men are going to be in high demand. Nash was not in 2009 ASG but I wouldn’t bank on him being back in.
Some players might have worse stats but play on better teams, if Mo Williams makes it just because he’s “the second best player on the Cavs” you know there are people that are going to make it on the basis that their team is better than the Kings. I wouldn’t be surprised.
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Through the injuries are a major consideration
not just for Kevin Martin and his own health, but the health of the other backcourt guys. Throw in the other guys with outside chance credentials:
Monta Ellis, Westbrook, Baron Davis, OJ Mayo, Jason Terry, Eric Gordon – guys who could average 20+ ppg – and then throw in the guys with true All-Star cred who are hard to pass up, like Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson and mix that up with the injury bug and it is a big crapshoot.
As bodies pass in to and out of the selection process spots open up. Given a tie, do you give the alternate spot to Kevin Martin who is averaging 24 ppg on the Kings with say 14-26 record or Tony Parker averaging 18 ppg on a 20-20 Spurs team or an Allen Iverson averaging 20.2 ppg on a 12-28 Griz team.
It will be close, but the Kings have not had an All-Star since 2004 and Peja Stojakovic as a reserve and 3 pt shoot out contestant.
Hey, and I am gone for 10 days and the Kngs sign Brockman and Desmond Mason? Are they going to put Mason on Hoss’s shoulders to make a back-up C ?
by betweentheeyes on Sep 20, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions
How about the dunk & 3pt contests?
Those are probably our best shot for our guys to get some media attention and give us something to cheer for at ASW. KM should be a shoo-in at the 3pt.
Omri or Donte for dunk would be a blast (though I don’t know if they’re explosive creative dunkers — at least in eyes of people who put the dunk contest together).
For KM’s All-Star chances? First ballot, no. Reserves, no. Injury Replacement… iffy at best.
Agree with sentiments that he’ll pretty much have to put up Jordanesque numbers in PPG and take over our team to win. We’ll also need a .500 record (tall order) to get ESPN (and therefore all mainstream sportswriters) to fawn over KM and question the sanity of coaches not selecting KM to ASW as a reserve.
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I know we like
to be represented and we like our boys to be recognized, but I need to hear the argument about why it matters. I think I can think of better reasons for them to have the weekend off.
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