30Q: Is Donte Greene Ready?
30Q asks the important questions about the Kings all through September.
Over the past few months, the community here at Sactown Royalty has probably fought over Donte Greene more than any other player not named Ricky. He is a divisive force. Some (myself included) think he has star potential. Other think he's a waste of a roster spot, on the fast track to Gerald Greendom.
I won't go over the stats, because they are awful. Or the highlights, because they are few. Or the signs, because they are fuzzy. Donte is visceral -- I'm of the mind you know within a second of watching him on the court whether you're pro-Donte or anti-Donte. Assuming we've all seen at least one second of Donte on the court, we should all have an opinion.
Let's hear it.
(Note: if you vote 'maybe,' you have no soul.)
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1 vote yes, 2 votes no. Perfect
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I'm going to vote yes
Donte is ready. Sure he needs to shoot more selectively and use his athleticism as an advantage, but he has all the tools right there. In Summer League he showed flashes of being very good on the defensive end, at times clearly frustrating Anthony Randolph. I like the guy, and hopefully he has a breakout season. What would a breakout season entail? Honestly I don’t know. But he has to show improvement, and I think he will. People with his talent are rare and you can see how good he can be.
Perhaps with actual coaches who know what they’re doing, they’ll be able to bring the best out of him. I think he’s ready for the jump.
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I still view Donte as a rookie
It is almost like last year never happen for him. I can’t say that I saw any improvement in his game during the season. I don’t know how much of that was his fault and how much was the lack of coaching around him.
I voted No because I don’t think he is ready this year. I do think he will be a solid performer in this league for a long time. I think he has the potential to have a game similar to Trevor Ariza, but he has even more upside.
I don’t think he will be a superstar though. I’m not sure if that is something that is ever developed. Those guys just seem to always have it.
I wouldn't say he has superstar potential
Because you’re right, those guys do tend to show up pretty fast. But definite multiple time All-Star potential in him. He could be an even more athletic Rashard Lewis.
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He just needs a little more marinating
the guy has the tools, but he’s only beginning to learn how to use them. He’ll show substantial upside and improvement during the 2nd half of the season – once the coaching staff can crack him
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JR Smith is a good example
of a worst case profile. The kid was basically waived by two teams (Hornets [Byron Scott], Bulls [Scott Skiles]) before getting to a team with a coach who could reach him somehow. Get through all the bullshit and make the kid realize his dream is slipping away. Maybe we finally have the right coach for Donte too. If JR Smith could go from full-on bust to 6th Man of the Year quality, then Donte can certainly make just as drastic a transformation also.
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Vote no
i don’t believe he’s ready yet. I just don’t. He has the potential but isn’t there… yet. I’d love to be proven wrong though
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yeah voted no, too
but still think there could be a star in him…
The post and the poll don’t seem to match. The post implies that people either think Donte can be a star or he cant. The poll, meanwhile, asks if he’s ready. I chose no, but it sounds like people with similar sentiments voted yes.
I keep hearing people mention
his potential so I have to ask is it based mainly on his size & athleticism? I’m asking because I just haven’t really seen any skill. He can’t shoot the three yet he jacks them up constantly. He doesn’t take it inside or really do anything else. I like the guy I wana believe in him I just can’t find anything basketball wise that stands out.
by allbenji's on Sep 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Well I personally am referring to
his utter dominance in HS alongside the likes of Beasly, Kevin Love, Reke, etc. But I think the majority of us are also taking into consideration the amazing performance he put on during the summer league before his rookie year, when he was still a Rocket. He looked AMAZING!
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Voted yes
his first year stats are not so different from Rashard Lewis’. He came from a college program where they teach a very different type of basketball than the one played in the NBA.
He showed a lot of progress in defense and post moves on Summer League and I think he could earn a lot of minutes at 3 and 4 position if he works hard.
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Ready is a little vague
Ready to start getting regular minutes? Ready to start fighting for the starters spot? Ready to start his development?
For a guy who everyone including himself believes came out of college at least a year too early, he’s ready to start showing his potential. He came out of college as a tall athletic talent with range on his jumper, but with no consistancy, no defense, & too eager to put up the 3. Well, it’’s year 2 and it’s time to start showing some of the potential that made him a 1st round pick though a very late 1st rounder.
We know he’s worked on his conditioning, maybe more than anyother player from last year. He’s shown improved defense during summer league. And, Spence in a recent interview was impressed by the work he did on his game.
So, I voted yes. He’s ready for more minutes. He’s ready to start living up to his potential. But, he’s going to need 2 more years, so don’t expect too much. The way he’s putting on muscle in the weight room, I don’t think anyones even sure whether he’s going to end up as a SF or PF.
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by HighTops on Sep 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
^This post represtents my feelings exactly^
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted No because
Voted no because he isn’t a starter yet. Definitely not ready to be a star… He is ready to be a rookie that has something to prove. I hope, but even that seems to be in question, to me anyway.
The problem is that Donte’ isn’t ready to be a man yet. He is just an infant, just a kid that needs to grow up.
He doesn’t realize he hasn’t made it yet and that he still has everything to lose. To him, I think he considers that he has made it. He is in the NBA and just high on life. He couldn’t be happier.
Until the realities of him being written off as a no account waste of time occurs I don’t see this kid growing up and doing what he needs to do to buck up and be a man.
It really is a shame because I know he has skills and can do it. BUT it takes more than talent to succeed. It takes drive and initiative which he doesn’t seem to display.
The question is, How bad does he want it? And what he defines “it” to be.
Voted No
Love him, but he’s not ready yet. Next season, sure. Not yet though.
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I think this poll needs clarification
Are we asking ourselves if he’s ready to be: 1)a starter in the NBA, 2) a super 6th man, 3)a regular rotation guy, 4) the most entertaining bench warmer of the year, or 5) something else?
I think he’s ready to be a better rotation guy (compared to last year), but he hasn’t performed consistently enough to warrant any “should we start Greene over [insert SG/SF]” debates.
I voted no because I’m assuming we’re asking if he’s ready to be dependable in the NBA, and I don’t think he’s quite there yet. But I’d absolutely love for him to prove me wrong.
You hear me DG? Prove me, and many others, wrong damnit.
ya know
The confidence is there. He spent that limited time in the D League last year, and came back WANTING to shoot lights out.. He didn’t, but he jacked up enough 3’s to make you believe that he believed he could. The athletisism is there as evident in his warm up dunks. The basketball IQ however, is not there, and that’s whats holding him back.
I could see him, in a few years, as a very VERY good complimentary peice to another superstar, but I wouldn’t go out on a limb at this point in time and say that superstar potential is there.
Get him some more X’s and O’s education, and I could see Donte be a solid contributor though.
and needs a good offensive system.
giggity giggity goo
by DougChristieKO on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He is the typical "I told you so" player
because either way – All-Star or Wash out – is his most likely direction.
He is taking a running start uphill after a slow climb last year – either he will hit a peak and have a place at the mountain top or fall over the ledge to obliviion.
I voted no. I think your “visceral feeling” is just gas.
I voted no
Simply because he was benched and a rookie took his starting job in VSL….i mean he is 6 foot 10 and plays SF, has been to VLS and has a whole year under his belt and a guy who is 6 foot 8 who has lived in the US for less than a month took his job….Donte had every single advantage, hight, weight, experience, but still got benched….
No
Because in my mind he hasn’t yet even showed signs of putting anything consistant together.
Does he have a chance? Sure, he’s young, he’s tall, he’s quick – but he hasn’t used any of that to his advantage in game minutes yet.
This is an important season for him, both for his and the team’s sake I really hope he shows some signs early that he’s got a future in this league.
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Is he ready?
I think he’s ready to either start his development or be dismissed as a player that is very unlikely to develop.
Last year he did not improve over the course of the season. Perhaps there are good reasons for that: emotional immaturity and lack of appropriate instruction being chief among them, I would say. Fine.
But he better at least demonstrate some signs of development, or I think he might find himself no longer seen as “Future SF”.
Let’s see it, Donte!
alternative question
Is Donte Greene a Bust? I think the results might be pretty similar to the results of the question posed by TZ…. I, for one, don’t think there is enough “evidence” available to know whether he’ll be a Bust or a Star. I like the size and athleticism. I am not sure I like the work ethic (perhaps that will change soon based on summer prep and camp). For me, Superstars are almost NEVER found at the bottom of the first round, stars are RARELY found at the bottom of the first round. Perhaps our hope lies in the fact that GP seemingly liked him in that draft and then traded Artest to get him (unless, of course, Donte was GP’s last choice from the available Rockets).
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Sep 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions
I'm in the pro-Donte camp
Not that he’s shown me any signs of actually realizing his potential, but I like the situation Donte is in now.
Theus was fighting for his job and playing who he thought could make him look good and help him keep his job when he should have been doing that whole developing young talent thing he was supposed to be doing. And Kenny Natt, well, was Kenny Natt.
But now the team’s in a relatively low-pressure situation. Westphal has at least 2 seasons to show what he can do with these young players and with Brad and Salmons gone the youth movement is in full swing so Donte should see some more much needed playing time. The team can’t possibly be any worse than it was last year. And overall this is just a damn likeable team with the potential to sneak up on people outside of the area.
I’m not saying we should think playoffs in any way, but with an extra year of seasoning those flashes of awesome that were all too infrequent last years should begin to appear more often.
I hate using the term chemistry but this team looks like it’s going to have great chemistry. They all seem to like each other and feed off of each other to increase their drive.
Let’s just pray to God Reke can pass the ball.
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by Muff209 on Sep 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I voted maybe
I think that he is still a year away, but on this team, who knows?
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What? TZ said it.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Sep 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Donté needs to work on his Basketball IQ. Right now, he creates bad shots for himself and shows a lot of inconsistency, but also shows lots of potential in his flashes of brilliance. If he could create better shots for himself and what not, he’ll be good as gold.
(metaphorically) He is like a really HOT CHICK
They look so good and can turn you on with just the right look, but you just don’t know if they are going to turn into a raging sex beast under the covers or just lay there waiting for you to be done…
The potential of the sex beast is there. You see it with that look that screams FUCK ME, but then it is gone and what is left leaves you feeling really confused.
So, I guess the question may be whether or not Donte is a sex beast. LOL
Subtle
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Sep 23, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess so
But then I can have a twisted sense of humor and am still laughing about it. I guess I can at least crack myself up if not anybody else.
Sorry to cause any disturbed moments
Yes, I have trouble
with metaphors that equate large male athletes to hot sex in bed – its just not my thing
(not that there’s anything wrong with that!)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Sep 23, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
It was equating him to a hot chick and his game to hot sex in bed.
Oh well, my wife laughed so I guess I got one other person to think it was funny.
Oh man...
And I thought I went over the top with this one. LOLLLL
You get these kinds of graphics games going on this site and we are really in trouble!
just having some fun with you . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
What "potential" do people see in this guy?
The 40 point game in the summer league a year ago? His other four games in that league were descent, but not great. And it’s not exactly the greatest competition.
His year at Syracuse? Again, descent, but not spectacular. He shot more than anyone on the team and had more turn-overs than assists.
Definitely don’t see any potential from last year…
Is it his athletic ability and physique? I think that got 7 rebounds a game in college, but in the NBA everyone is athletic and strong (almost).
I just don’t understand where this idea came from that Donte Greene has so much more potential than any other player drafted 28th. Why did 27 GM’s pass on such a great, all-star talent? What do we know that they don’t?
Strange days…
Here's a theory
Maybe Kings fans have been forced into rooting for mediocre teams and players for so long that we’ve developed this masochistic love for underdogs and dark horses.
Maybe
it is that people really want to believe that Petrie has to be able to pick young draft talent well because if that isn’t true we are in trouble.
He has the same amount of potential at this age
as Quincy Douby or Gerald Wallace. The question is which way is Donté going to go?
There are those who would right him off at the age of 21 (holy hyperbole!), and those that would see him as a future all-star (also hyperbole!). The truth lies in the middle. He is a young man that still has the opportunity to make himself into an NBA player or become just another late 1st round draft pick that couldn’t cut it.
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What I don’t get are the folks that damn Donté for his personality, as though “The Donté Greene Show” has come at the expense of workouts. The truth is (by all accounts) that Greene has worked his arse off this summer.
I love what I have seen from Donté the person. If Donté the player shows up, he could become my favorite King
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He tweets about his workouts everyday
So you know he’s been working most of the summer
by kingsfan300 on Sep 23, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
On the other hand, it’s standard practice to write articles about how hard everyone’s been working in the off season. For example, it seems like every off-season, the 49ers have the best training camp in the history of the franchise. There’s just nothing else to write about.
Difference
If the team was putting out stories about the workouts it would be one thing. But we’ve seen firsthand evidence this week with the video of voluntary workouts. And, as was mentioned, Donté and a few of the other guys have been tweeting all summer about their workouts.
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knowing Singletary
The 49rs will be good soon.
I’d bet on it.
(though I still don’t think they have a QB)
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by lietothegirls on Sep 24, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
2-0 baby
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Oh yeah, I'm excited about this season.
The defense is looking great. I can’t wait to see them play a good team this weekend, the Vikings.
It probably won't be pretty
Like I said, no QB
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Sep 24, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the 49ers defense will keep them in it.
Will their offense give them enough to win? I think it depends more on the offensive line than the QB, as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over.
Also -
JT has commented on how hard Greene has been working, and his muscle gain has been discussed here, in the Bee, and on KHTK, at least.
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does Donté have the mentality to be a PF?
Will his bulk effect his mobility and versatility or enhance it?
by betweentheeyes on Sep 24, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't think of him as a PF,
unless the other team is going “small.” But I thought that he needed to add to his frame last year to be a more effective SF.
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He's what 21 yrs old
he’s about the same size as Griffim, although not as strong. He’s got leaping ability like Griffin. I can really see him moving over to PF in a year or too with his love of the weight room.
Don’t get me wrong. I"m not saying he’s going to be anywhere near as good as Griffin is. I just picked him because their about the same size and age. Griffin is 250 & Donte is 240, and their both about 6’ 10". Donte is going to get bigger. It’s a fact of life that as you mature your weight goes up. There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s going to put on more muscle over the next two years.
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He's young and thinks he's invincible
he’s willing to take on BJax or May, in a battle of words or deeds. I don’t believe mental attitute will be a problem.
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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that superstar vs. bust are unreasonable extremes. But when you say he has the same potential of Quincy Douby or Gerald Wallace, you make it sound like there’s a 50-50 chance he’ll end up like either one. But personally, I see Gerald Wallace as the rare exception. There’s so many players with rough “potential”, but few of them really succeed like Gerald Wallace has.
I think realistic expectations for Donte Greene should be much lower than many here perceive. If he exceeds those expectations, that would be great.
I have no soul
Also, I think I’ve decided to be a little more active on these things. I mean I read this site like 200 times in a day, but I never contribute. I’m a soul-less parasite who just takes from everyone else and never gives back. I am Kenny Thomas. Except I’m really not. But how would you know? (woof!)
Because you don't make 8 million dollars a year?
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I voted maybe, and this is probably true for a lot of maybes, because I think the answer is no right now, but I hope it’s a yes.
Potential has to pay dividends at some point.
Whether it begins this year is the big question.
Patience these days runs thin. If he doesn’t utilize the minutes he’s given it may be his swan song.
It’s not a question of whether he is ready, its more a statement of he has to be ready.
I voted yes.
The question here isn't fair
After the body of the question sets up whether or not Donte can still achieve his potential, the actual question seems to ask if he is ready to achieve it this year. I think Donte can be a very good player in this league. I see a bit of a poor man’s Lamar Odom (meant as complement) in him, especially with his length to bother people on D and help inside. However, this year he is only 20 and I am not expecting very much out of him.
You bring up an interesting and important point: how long will it take Donté to shine (if at all)
and when you do you turn your back if he doesn’t turn the corner? One, two or three seasons (assumming he is exerting effort, a là Douby)?
by betweentheeyes on Sep 24, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Donté is only slated to make
$870,000. $930,700 and $1,679,914 over the next three years. So, I’d give him those three years. If he isn’t showing anything at that point then his qualifying offer of $2,503,071 would be too steep.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for that Kfan
I’ve been too lazy to look up the salary numbers.
We are paying him practically “nothing” (NBA salary-wise) for him to MAYBE develop into a good player. This is a basic low risk-big reward type of situation. What’s the problem with Donte? Even if he develops into our 8th-9th man, we are paying him less than $1 million each of the next 2 years!!
He had a horrendous coaching staff his first year in the league and has actually being working hard in the gym this offseason, proven by his bigger frame. If he doesn’t develop, that’s on him as he has the tools, but that doesn’t kill our cap or sets back the team’s future plans. He’ll just be another kid who just couldn’t realize his potential.
Someone please explain to me how this kid hurts this franchise? I just don’t understand it
The future begins now...
Did someone say that he hurt the franchise?
I think a lot here loooove him, despite the current thread. But if he doesn’t show some signif. improvement this season –
Comments I hear from Jerry etc. lead me to believe that if he can’t show that he can play some D, or drive to the rim, or hit the outside shot with some consistancy soon – his future, if any may be somewhere else.
Now, he doesn’t have to be a Star this season, just show he has the ability to put his game together and use the athletic ability we all see he has on the court – during real minutes.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Sep 24, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
How much improvement
I would be a disappointed if he played exactly the same. However, I am not expecting any type of big leap. His D was actually underrated last year. He’s not a shut down defender, but he can guard versatile players and does a great job contesting shots with his length. If his FG% increases, he shows some improved shot selection and his handles have improve I will be happy for now. It’s really next season that I would want to see him at least develop into a rotation player.
While no one literally wrote he "hurts" this franchise
While no one literally wrote he “hurts” this franchise, the negative comments I’ve seen around here led me to believe some people see Donte as a problem to this team; an assumption I believe isn’t valid. A bit of exaggeration in my part, no doubt; but as a person who sees no downside whatsoever to having Donte on this team and giving him time to develop, I believe it is warranted to ask that type of question.
Yes, there’s also a lot of unwarranted optimism on this site about Donte but IMO that’s because the “Donte Greene situation” brings no risks to this franchise. If he becomes a good player (whether that’s a star or merely a rotation player) the Kings will certainly benefit. If he doesn’t then he becomes the next project not to pan out and then I ask, so what?? He doesn’t hurt the franchise in a big way, it doesn’t set us back years because of his contract, it just doesn’t have a negative impact on this team, pretty much, at all.
You wonder
and leave the rest of the sentence open. I say, if he doesn’t so what?? You could go two ways: you don’t pick up his option (or trade him) or pick up his option for less than $1 million ( about $930,000 per SacBee) and give him one more year under, hopefully, an organized system and see if he’s worth it. If he doesn’t show any improvement you either say “good bye Donte, you won’t be the second lowest paid King anymore” or you give this young guy one more chance.
But if he doesn’t show some signif. improvement this season
All the negativity is based around immaturity, having an online show that doesn’t even take away frm his time working out and working on his game, and the fact that this 21-year-old second-year player hasn’t done much in one year under a crappy coaching staff that had no clue what the word “rotation” meant.
To repeat myself, I see NO downside to young Mr. Greene on this team. Call it “hurting” this franchise, playing with our collective hearts, wasting our time, or whatever you want, I just don’t see what’s so bad about giving a young player room to develop when there are barely (if any) risks involved.
The future begins now...
Not sure what the answer is
Steady improvement is nice. Normally it’s around season 3 or 4 that these young, raw players really start to click. We knew he was a project when we traded for him. He was never advertised as a polished or refined player. We just need to be patient with him as long as he shows the effort and heart.

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