Take Me To Your Leader
Recently, my professional world and my Sactown Royalty world collided. I was applying for a new position with my company, one in which the staff that I would manage would increase eight-fold. During the interview process, I was asked in detail about my ability to manage, my ability to lead. As it turned out, I did not earn the promotion, but it had nothing to do with my leadership skills. According to the HR department, the difference was that my chief competitor elected to wear pants to the interview, while I thought that my vintage Sean May underwear (they say "This vehicle makes wide right turns" on the back) would go over big. Damn you for losing that weight, Sean May! You cost me my promotion. You’ve made a powerful enemy today, my friend.
Where was I? Job interview…lame excuse for not getting job…lamer Sean May joke…oh, yeah – leadership! There has been a fair amount of conversation around StR regarding team leadership. As in, who is going to lead the current bunch, and how will it be determined? By talent (Kevin Martin)? By potential (Tyreke Evans)? By height (Spencer Hawes)? By authority (Paul Westphal)? By age (Kenny Tho…I can’t finish this – I just can’t)? And more importantly, how can this team be expected to compete without that one team leader, that one lightning rod, that one "face of the franchise?"
As I have participated in this conversation, I have entertained the notion that we should not even play this season. I mean, you don’t send a ship out to sea without a Captain, do you? Three hour tour my ass, "skipper." Get me a freakin’ leader, not someone that is going to depend on the professor to fashion a radio out of coconuts so that we might get off this God-forsaken island. (Mind wandering again – beginning to come to grips with why I may have truly not earned that promotion…)
The Kings have actually had only a couple of true leaders as they enter their 25th season in Sacramento. Mitch Richmond was really considered the first team leader, though that designation meant little as the team around him sucked year after year. During the golden years, it was a multi-headed beast. Chris Webber was the "man," the lightning rod that took most of the hits (positive and negative) for his team. Vlade Divac was the locker room leader. Doug Christie and Bobby Jackson contributed tenacity and soul. Mike Bibby was the cold-blooded assassin. It was almost leadership by assignment. It was a thing of beauty. And we miss it dearly.
I then began to wonder how we became the only team in the NBA to be faced with this problem, and I discovered that not only are we not alone, we actually have a ton of company.
By my count, there are only eight teams with truly defined leaders – go-to, buck stops here, the ball is in my hands when the game is on the line, the rest of the team answers to me, opposing fans hate and fear and respect my game - leaders. They are (in no particular order) LeBron James, Kevin Garnett/Paul Pierce, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, and Steve Nash. There are other players (that I will cover later) that are sniffing around this list, but they are not quite at this level.
The guys that I just mentioned are unquestionably the masters of their domain. LeBron and Kobe are practically running their franchises. Teammates of Paul, Williams and Nash know where their bread is buttered, and that they better follow the leader if they hope to see the ball on the offensive side of the floor. Wade leads by example and insane talent. Duncan by sheer work ethic and singular focus (Duncan is the only guy with a potential heir apparent in Tony Parker). KG and Pierce are an effective duo – it’s interesting that the leadership skills of both of these individuals were called into question before the merging of their talents. I also wonder if this is part of the problem in Boston as it pertains to Rajon Rondo. Does the PG that led the Celtics in last year’s playoffs want a piece of the leadership pie, and are the veteran leaders resistant to hand him a slice?
Obviously, the Kings have no one like this today. And when I say that, I mean that none of the players on the Kings roster are like these guys today. I am not saying that someone like (say) Tyreke Evans may not eventually become one of these guys.
Let’s go to the next level. Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony/Chauncey Billups, Dwight Howard, Gilbert Arenas. Johnson is the lead figure for Atlanta, and he has had some tangible playoff success. At the beginning of last season, I had Kevin Martin and Joe Johnson on about the same level. Be it the level of talent around Johnson or the fact that Johnson has been able to stay healthier, right now Joe Johnson > Kevin Martin. Dirk is Dirk. He is a great, great player, but I think that he is really more Robin than Batman. If Michael Heisley were running the Mavs, Pau Gasol might still be slaving in Memphis and Dirk could be dancing in LA with Kobe. Billups is a self-made leader, but in his current environment he shares some of that with Anthony. Conversely, I think that ‘Melo might be the next guy to make the jump – he’s still only 25. Arenas is a great but oft-injured talent (proven NBA fact - as a player, you cannot lead if you are not playing). Howard (23!) just needs to continue his development. UPDATE - Brandon Roy should have been included here as well, per the thread comments. I looooooove Brandon Roy.
Next, the guys that are just developing their games and their persona to the point where you can begin to consider their potential (you know, where we were at the beginning of last year with Martin). Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, Chris Bosh, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose. Will these guys become great team leaders, or are they destined to be great NBA players but no more (see Redd, Michael)? I like Rose and Durant on this list, with Granger as my sleeper.
My "you might have had an hourglass figure, but your time is up" candidates: Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. Great talents, but they seemingly lack that ability to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and drag it forward with them.
The "I’ll lead, but you’re not going to like where we end up" candidates: Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson.
Let’s make one thing clear. I am not saying that any of the guys outside the elite list suck or lack as players. Certainly, I would take most of those guys for the Kings, and many of them might instantly ascend to the role of leader in Sacramento (‘Melo in a Kings uni – mmm). But what is apparent is that true leaders are a lot rarer than we might think. The idea of finding a leader for the Kings is certainly easier said than done.
The constant to all of this leader business is that these guys are amongst the best players (if not the best player) on their respective teams, they log big minutes, they lead by example, and they shine when the game is on the line. There is a big difference between these guys and a veteran presence. As much as we love Bobby Jackson (for example), he is no longer physically capable of being a team leader. Desmond Mason might be able to make this team and even contribute some meaningful minutes, and his time in the league might rub off some positives on his younger teammates. But a team leader Mason is not.
I guess that my conclusion (or at least as close as I ever come to a conclusion) is that the Kings will need to develop or obtain a leader if they are to again ascend to the level of NBA elite teams. But given that there are only eight teams that have that elite leadership, and that almost half the teams in the NBA are in the same boat as us, it is OK for us to open this season without that clearly defined leader. It is not ideal, but it is OK. We are, after all, a team on the rebuild.
A three hour tour…a three hour tour.
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Wait, so does that mean
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"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Sep 26, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Ha!
And I suppose that would mean -

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by section214 on Sep 26, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
And also...

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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I thought about equating Mike Lamb to Lovey Howell
But I figure I better quit while I’m ahead.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
and my favorite was the underrated one - again!

by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Sep 26, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions

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Ailene Voisin is wack and hearts Rubio
by Bambooozled on Sep 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
They even look alike
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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the real problem
This ain’t gonna happen:

I don’t know why they were on Gilligan’s Island. I don’t want to know.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
they were going over their nicknames
MeadowLark, Curly, Scatman
by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Fashioning a radio from coconuts...
Wasn’t that the episode where they almost got off the island?
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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
I'll get it out of the way before someone else
Its Desmond Mason, not Derrick Mason. Think you were remembering ol’ Derrick Martin.
Anyway on to the meat of your post. I can’t agree with you more. The Kings do not really have someone who acts as a leader to them, who motivates them. I think there are a couple of guys who have the potential to be the leader, but there still a ways a way. I think the ship has sailed on Martin ever becoming the leader of this team. He’s too soft spoken, and he’s never really taken it upon his shoulders to simply take over a game and will his team to victory, and the best I think he can offer in leadership is to lead by example.
The next obvious candidate is Tyreke Evans. Evans is being set up to lead this team, pitting him as the floor general, but he is only 20 years old. Unless he ends up having ridiculous talent, not many people are going to follow a 20 year old rookie, but he can begin by establishing a tone. Perhaps the only rookie from this draft that can come out as a leader for his team is Jonny Flynn (one of the reasons I was stoked for either Flynn or Evans as a pick). Evans is going to take a different route of leadership than Flynn and I think his becomes more of a lead by example thing as well.
As for vocal leaders, I think the Kings have two major candidates, and both could come into play next year: Spencer Hawes and Francisco Garcia. Cisco is probably more ready, and I actually think he deserves to start this year, but he does make some bone headed decisions on the court sometimes, but what leader doesn’t? He’s also the only player on the team in my opinion who actively tries (key-word tries) to take over games and bring out the best in his teammates, including K-Mart.
Spencer needs to do some maturing, and lead on the court and more especially off the court. But he definitely can help set the tone for this team, and right now is perhaps the teams best passer. I also think he has the mentality of wanting the ball when the game is on the line, and deciding what to do with it. He is my favorite for becoming the Kings leader, but I think it will take a year or two.
JT is of course the sleeper, but I just don’t ever see him becoming the leader, unless he becomes a great defensive stopper and being one of the older young guys could help his case as well.
Anyway, great post 214, and I definitely agree with you that a leader is what most teams need, and what most crappy teams lack.
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Thanks for the catch on Derrick Mason
Corrected. Now I need to go take Desmond Mason out of my fantasy football lineup.
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by section214 on Sep 26, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How important is a leader?
Well, every 4 years we elect a new one to lead the country and look where that has got us. What is a club house leader anyways? Certainly, Beno calling out players during the game especially when he made the bad pass, shows no leadership at all.
But, shouldn’t leaders hold the rest of the team accountable for their failures.
Just because someone is the best player or go to guy doesn’t make him a leader. And, in a team sport like basketball, why does their have to be a leader other than the coach. Every player has his assignments, and unless your Allen Iverson every play requires at least 2 players.
So, if someone isn’t performing, then the team doesn’t need a leader to hold them accountable that’s the coaches job. To me the leader is the guy who sees the big picture better than everyone else. Then he helps everyone that wants help to see what he sees. No flamboyant jestures. No criticizing or embarrassing others in public. Just offering advice to those that want it, and helping everyone improve without getting anything in return.
The guy you go to for advice is the LEADER.
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The talent to be a leader isn't just a skills contest
Avery Johnson was the leader of those David Robinson Spurs teams (The General trumped the Admiral). Scott Skiles the leader of those Orlando Magic teams with Shaq. Speaking of “the Great Aristotle” – not a leader. Attribute his championships to Zen Phil and Derrick Fisher as the player-leader. Point Guards are most often the leaders but not always. Kevin Garnett is an example (I don’t think PP is a leader, just a great go-to guy, like Ray Allen). Willis Reed. Wes Unseld. Bill Russell. Not Wilt. (oh, and you left out Brandon Roy)
I agree that the early millenium wonderKings were a team of various leaders (You left out the leadership of Jon Barry in making the Bench Mob a force). A conglomeration of abilities that were channeled together – also known as chemistry. Vlade, CWebb and to some extent DC were the leaders – it took a smart Head Coach to know when to utilize those skills and to the right amount.
I also disagree that Mitch Richmond was a leader. He shunned the role and was proud of his game but seemingly embarrassed to be a King at the time, and still occassionally is.
For my 2 cents, Spencer Hawes is the person most wanting to lead. Like Tyreke Evans, he has been faced with the disadvantage of youth. Even on this young team, it is hard to convey fortitude with a pink Hello Kitty! backpack. (Magic Johnson was the most impressive rookie leader I have ever seen – separate question: which of the current rookie class is most likely to lead? Jonny Flynn? Least likely – Brandon Jennings?).
To stay on point (your thought wanderings are contagious) – rudderless ships often remain adrift. A strong Head Coach can be the leader though in today’s professional sports atmosphere that is increasingly difficult (Vince Lombardi would not survive today’s players – Mike SIngletary is giving it a successful go for the moment, Bill Parcells has done exceptionally well). The trait of leadership is underrated, like durability. Does winning produce leaders or do leaders produce wins? For now, for this Kings team, the position of leader remains unfulfilled.
by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo, getting closer I think
Leaders have to have followers and leaders will also have challengers who may not have the goods to lead but have enough juice with the followers to make them question the leader’s authority.
Excellent post Section. In my view we are talking about 2 types of leadership here. First, we have the leader who has situational authority, in this case the coach. The leader with situational authority is appointed to the position. Think of the many bosses you’ve had. Some were really good and you were readily willing to follow their lead. The others and that would be many more I’m guessing, were clueless corporate clones who had to rely on their position to exert their authority, IE, bottom line they have the authority to fire you and when you don’t hoe their line will threaten to or actually fire you or in a guaranteed contract situation either bench you or reduce your minutes.
The second type of leader is the one you are talking about. This is the type of leader who for whatever reason has innate leadership ability and others will follow. They usually have a drive to succeed, have the ability to see the big picture and are able to get others to do the same thing therefore creating a team which gets results. The reason people will go get advice from that person is because they TRUST them, which is certainly a part of leadership. Lord knows we had enough posts and conversations here about the lack of trust among the 08-09 Kings.
I tend to think that leadership on the Kings is going to come from the youth because they seem to have real camaraderie and with a few exceptions they also have the skills. If one of the vets buys in I can see it happening. Every Batman needs a Robin and if Cisco or Kevin buys in I think the other vets will follow. These guys want to win and if someone steps up and can provide a compelling reason for improved results/wins I think the rest of the team buys in.
Another option is that the Robin might come from the youth and if they step up and support the leadership/captaincy of Cisco/Kevin or who knows who, this team will benefit from team cohesion AND better results. The human dynamics in even a small organization like the Kings is mind boggling. Even though we currently don’t have a dynamic leader like the examples Section gave in his post I am expecting to see more leadership from the coaching staff and from within the players and we will be a better team for it.
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by Bluejohn on Sep 26, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great comments
I owe you a rec. when I get home.
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by section214 on Sep 26, 2009 2:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The stuck on an island concept - right idea, wrong show
The Sacramento Kings aren’t Gilligan’s Island, they are just plain:

by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think last years Rockets team is a good example of what a team with leadership can really do. Even though Battier was at best their 4th best player on their team but was the reason they held it together without Yao and McGrady. Anyone watching those games in the Lakers series could see that Battier REFUSED to let them stop fighting, and they were a scary team then.
Which brings me tothe Kings and the question of who can be the leader. To me the leader is the person who will refuse to let a crappy team play crappy. I can see Cisco maybe becoming something near this, but no one else on the current team. Spencer needs has too many distractions around his game (fitness tests, summer league) for other pro’s to want to follow. We try and make the comparison to Portland a few seasons ago with youth movement but they had Roy who took the lead and everyone respected him in the game.
This is in no way a slam againt the Kings, just a realization that a real leader is hard to find on a team. Hopefully I can be wrong about this.
Finding positives in a 65 loss season since 2009
Now let's see...
The Kings need leadership. They need a CAPTAIN. A guy who is talented, decisive, level-headed, and SENSIBLE.
THAT’S IT!! Captain Sensible!
I nominate Captain Sensible…

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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
contrary to my previous posts
I want to vote Martin.
If not because as it stands, he is the best we got, but also because, he is still coming into his own.
a year from now, we may be going to Tyreke for the last shot of the game.. maybe even 6 months from now.
There isn’t much more this team can shed in terms of veterans with contracts, save for K-9, and Nocionio, if he isn’t a part of the long term plan (and I dont think he is).. I don’t count Beno.. We will eventually need somebody to replace kenny as our token suit wearer….
My point is, Until midway through 2 seasons ago, this was bibbys team or Artests team until he went to Atlanta and the former was traded to Houston. Until Midway through last season, this was Miller and Salmons team, and then, Jackson (who I still firmly believe would make a great locker room leader for this team) stepped in as the elder, and best to lead by example.
As soft spoken as I think Martin is, The personalities in the locker room were to strong for him to step in as the leader, and honestly, as bad as Miller is on the Defensive end, would ANY of you want to go toe to toe with him and challenge for locker room and team leader posession.
Bottom line, K-Mart steps in as the longest tenured King getting the most playing time. He is the most talented, and best fit to lead this team as interim leader until Tyreke finds his way. The cancer from the locker room has been cleansed… Salmons, Miller, Artest, Bibby, and hopefuly come february, K9, have all been cleard out, giving him a fresh slate.. It’s his to loose.
I think Brandon Roy needs a mention.
Disclaimer: comments may have been made under the influence of alcohol. If the Kings start winning, this will probably change.
by Ball in Cup on Sep 26, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100%
Roy deserves as much mention as ’Melo. I just whiffed on Portland when I was going through the teams. I love me some Brandon Roy.
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by section214 on Sep 26, 2009 1:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
'Melo - tons of talent but not a leader
I think of Carmelo Anthony as a Lamar Odom type. More Knuckle than Head. His talent spearheaded an impressive Syracuse championship. In the big leagues, he has been in and out of trouble. Not so long ago, Denver had some serious thoughts of trading him and wisely acquired a leader in Mr. Big Shot.
Brandon Roy is a pleasure to watch; like Dwyane Wade he commands attention on the court. Another omission – Jason Kidd.
Hey, how about Allen Iverson, Baron Davis, Rashad Wallace and Cap’n Jax/Stephen Jackson? Leaders by bad example? Ron Artest on the Kings? When you have a dysfunctional player that demands the ball much of the time you have a team that is headed to the cellar.
by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
replying to myself brings thoughts of posters past but...
the other part of leadership is intelligence.
People don’t follow unconvincing morons easily. Wait a second…. I am forgetting much of the history of Western civilization, but you get my overall point.
Carmelo may not be bright enough to be a leader. Ditto Shaq. Just because they put a the ball in the basket and they get a microphone in their face doesn’t mean wisdom will ensue.
I am not talking Einstein but the theory of relativity. Bright enough to lead a basketball team. Not every star is capable.
by betweentheeyes on Sep 26, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
And anyway, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon.
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by My Losing Season on Sep 26, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree with you
I live in Colorado, so I get to see a lot of Carmelo. Not personally (he ignores my phone calls and changes his number a lot, weird), but via stories and games. I’ve always kind of liked the guy, so I’ve payed attention to him through the years.
From everything I’ve seen, including a couple games last season where I splurged for good tickets and happened to be very close to the Nuggets bench, I would say that Melo has turned around a lot of his early issues. The early mistakes really hurt his image, but it wasn’t an issue of stupidity. He lacked a good example early in his career, and his first NBA “role model” was really Iverson. Certainly didn’t help. Billups’ arrival has corrected many issues. Billups showed Carmelo how to be a pro.
Watching the way the team interacts with him, it is clear that they view Carmelo as a leader. Carmelo defers to Billups, but that’s primarily out of immense respect for the veteran. Carmelo will be the leader of this team within a season or two. Trust me.
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Werd.
‘Melo has certainly evolved into a totally different and better player and I’m not just talking about the haircut. He’s changed his work ethic, and his trainer to the stars, Steve Hess, will tell you that ‘Melo is a changed man. I highly doubt think we’ll hear the word ‘dysfunction’ and ’Melo’s name mentioned in the same sentence again.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
Good to hear ;-)
Brandon really is the undoubted leader of the team. The offense gets designed around him, he takes the final shots, his teammates, coaches and GM listen to him, he says the right things in public and walks the talk e.g. by moving close to the practice facility to stay in touch, he supports young talent from the region, and so on and so on. You can hardly bake a better team leader. It’s not hyperbole to say that he acts like a small Tim Duncan.
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Brandon Roy is selfish
:)
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by Starvin' Marvin on Sep 26, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
When Roy came into the league
I knew he was going to be a Tim Duncan-style guard on and off the court. Just wanted to mention that.
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They lack more than that
No leader, dumb decision for a new coach. Why the He** hire an offensive minded coach who does not know how to coach defense. So what if the Kings score 100-115 a game. The other team will hit 5-10 more point more often than not. K-Mart should have by now took the lead on being the leader. I do not think he has it in him though. Tell ya I miss the old days. And I have noticed other than Hedo all those players have not performed as well since they left. That says something about how good Rick Adelman was.
Um...
Hedo was better in Orlando than he ever was here. As is Gerald Wallace in Charlotte.
Regarding the coach, who was your choice?
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I get what yer saying.
I’m assuming you’re talking about the Bonzi’s, the C-Webbs and the Artest’s that didn’t play as well when Adelman was not their coach. Not sure Hedo and Wallace count since they were rookies when they played in Sac. Most players improve after their first few years, right (yes, there are Darkos and Kwame’s etc)?
Hopefully, Westphal will improve his defensive schemes or at least one of his assistants will be helping him out in that department. For the money and circumstances, I still think Westphal was a good pick for us.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
I hope the team follows
JT’s work ethic
and the Maloofs would need to be Gilligan, always messing up something good

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