30Q: How Creative Will Paul Westphal Be?
30Q asks the important questions about the Kings all through September.
Under Eric Musselman, Brad Miller famously stated 50-some games into the season that he had no idea what his role on offense was. During the early part of Reggie Theus's second season as Kings coach, Joe Maloof famously said that the team needed to implement some sort of coherent system, define an identity. Under Kenny Natt ... well, I don't need to finish this sentence. Natt's goal was to simplify the system, and you could argue he succeeded, as the Kings basically just played (bad) basketball with no sense of cohesion or sensibility.
Paul Westphal has coached a team to the NBA Finals. An ultratalented team, yes, but an NBA team nonetheless. Unlike Musselman, he's not running around touting unachievable but soundbite-worthy goals. (42%, anyone?) Unlike Theus, he's not disrespecting his best scorer to kiss up to his hotheaded X-factor, nor is he trying to implement the Triangle offense with a bunch of 22-year-olds. Unlike Natt, Westphal is ready to be a head coach, with experience and an attitude that seems tenable for at least a few years. Westphal is dampening expectations while touting the specific talents of his best players, looking for areas where the team can easily improve with hard, smart work, and promising to play to the team's strengths. That, itself could make the team a few wins better.
But the idea that this team could run a cohesive, practical offense -- one in which players know their roles, and succeed in them -- is a bit of a pipe dream after the last three seasons, isn't it?
The only thing we're sure about is that the offense will likely be up-tempo. Westphal's Phoenix teams consistently finished near the top of NBA pace rankings; his Seattle teams weren't quite as up-tempo, but still faster than the average team. Westphal has repeatedly stated he's not interested in boosting Sacramento's defensive appearance by slowing down the game to mute scoring totals -- which is good, because I think everyone in the league sees team defense with a bit more nuance than "points allowed" these days. (I'm sure I'm wrong about that.) Westphal has also talked about the need for easy buckets, which says to me transition offense will be emphasized.
A primary concern to me is how the exemplary foul-drawing skills of Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin will be used. At Memphis, Evans showed an ability to get to the rim on anyone; in Vegas, he bolstered that belief by living at the free throw stripe. Martin has been doing it at the pro level for years, though interestingly he draws more fouls in the midrange area than anyone but LeBron James (by my estimation).
How do you best take advantage of having the best foul-drawing two-guard in the league and one of the top foul-drawing point guards in the league? You send them to the rim.
I wonder how much Westphal will use Dribble Drive/Memphis Attack type sets. This is already used quite a bit at the pro level, albeit without the moniker and with less regimented/more creative post-drive rotation patterns. Most commentators might just call this "isolation" or "one-on-one" basketball, but I'd prefer not to do that because we Sacramento Kings fans are unique blossoms who demand more of our offenses than ruddy simplicity and repetition. We demand the back door, the bounce pass, the Ivy League roots! Not some shtick from Fresno City College.
Anyways, the gist of the Dribble Drive Motion Offense (developed by former Fresno CC/Pepperdine coach Vance Walberg and used heavily by new Kentucky coach John Calipari when he was at Memphis) is that the man with the ball dribble-drives to the hoop until a) he's stopped, in which case he passes out to the perimeter, b) he finds an open passing lane to the post or perimeter, or c) he gets to the rim. In the DDMO, all your threes should be open spot-ups. It's a "four-out" offense, just like the Princeton, which means you'd better have a big man who can drive and shoot. It works best if your wings can beat their man off the dribble consistently, though screens and cuts are useful here too. Again, most teams run plays in this mold at the NBA level. No pro team/coach is particularly devoted to it; if any should be, you'd think it'd be the team running Evans and Martin in the backcourt.
I also wonder how useful the pick-and-roll will be with the Kings. Jason Thompson can shoot the 15-18 foot jumper with regularity. Spencer Hawes has legit three-point range. The "pop" option is readily available with those two. The issue with running the P&R with Evans is that smart defenses will just go under the screen every single time ... until he shows he has NBA range (which I don't believe he currently does). Martin isn't enough of a passer to run a P&R consistently ... but leaving him as a corner shooter on the high P&R between, say, Evans and Hawes certainly doesn't use Martin to the best of his abilities. I mean, he's not Peja or Suns-era Quentin Richardson. He's Kevin Martin, one of the most devastating solo scorers in the game. But I imagine Westphal, who has been around the game for decades, can find ways to make the P&R work to the Kings' benefit.
These are just two playsets of many, I'm sure, Westphal and Co. will test out. And obviously, Musselman and Theus knew all these playsets, too. Musselman basically hedged between an Adelman-style offense and his own version of the high-post. Theus pulled Miller out to the three-point line his first season, and tried the Triangle his second. Westphal isn't the first post-Adelman coach with ideas. But now that the roster is settling down, and given Westphal looooong experience as a head coach, I feel more comfortable leaving it to him.
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I have alot more faith than i did with Muss. I liked Theus, but then again, all I saw was his press appearances and the Bee articles online… (Not too many Kings games available in the UK!) so that had little to do with his coaching prowess.
I like the fact that Westphal isn’t coming in with the attitude that he wants to put our square-peg players into his round-hole system, no matter what. He’s seeing what he has to work with, and will play to the strengths of the roster.
Good luck PW! If you can get them all singing from the same hymnsheet, that will be worth a couple more wins than last year… won’t it?
Is Evan's shot that bad?
I missed Evans FG% in Summer League. Is he that inconsistant from the outside, or is it just that is release is so slow?
He seemed to make a lot of his outside shots in the video clips. If a defender were to sag under the screen, he would have plenty of time to get his shot off even if it is that slow.
No his form is pretty bad.
He is too inconsistent. Video clips tend to only show good stuff
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by Aykis16 on Sep 7, 2009 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I accidentally clicked bottom 10
But I think we’re going to be around 15. We’re definitely going to be in the bottom 10 in the NBA in record, barring some major trade.
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I agree
I voted for the 11-20 range, strictly talking about the offense. A bottom 10 record wouldn’t surprise me still.
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A bottom 10 record shouldn't surprise
It should be expected. Honestly, we’re probably bottom 5.
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For this Kings team to be in the Top 20 offenses
1 – Kevin Martin has to play 70+ games
2 – Tyreke Evans has to make his trips the FT line count – >75%
3 – JT has to stay in games long enough to score > 12 ppg
4 – rebounding has to improve and also be in the Top 20. Possessions!
5 – This Kings team isn’t fast enough to re-create D’Antoni’s Suns/Knicks or Nellies
Warriors. They will have to outscore opponents… > 25 wins. (More wins = higher
offense rank for this team, >30 wins=Top 10 as I don’t see their defense winning
many games just yet)
Great breakdown
A good set of realistic goals to make it happen.
- is going to be huge, if they can rebound the ball and get some put backs that will make the world of difference.
- Bigs limiting fouls. Seems obvious but with the rate they can foul and having no depth makes it scary because you cant run much offense from the 3pt line.
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Offense won't be the problem, it will be defense
The Kings are a young team with bigs that can run. They’ll try to run on every possession, and if they can’t get an easy basket, they’ll bring it out and run pick & rolls to death. Evans for the layup, Evans feeding the bigs, Evans kicking it into the corner, or Evans for the short jumper if the defender goes underneath.
But, bte is correct, with being thin at the 5, JT & Spencer are going to have to play 75+ games and stay out of foul trouble. PW has said he wants to play Hawes low in the paint more often. With JT, Spencer & Donte’s new found size, ( a lot of lifting this offseason) and the addition of Mays & Evans, the Kings are going to be competetive on the offensive & defensive boards.
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I feel like we've gone thru this before. ;)
Yes, defense was and will be a problem, but offense was a problem last year too. If it isn’t a problem this year a lot of that credit will have to go to PW.
I don’t know how you can just say offense won’t be a problem, when we were so anemic on that end of the floor last season.
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 7, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
We need to improve greatly on BOTH ends of the floor – period. I refuse to believe that we’ll be the worst team in the league again this season. Westphal’s creativity is limited to his players’ ability. If Donte, May, JT and Hawes prove to be much better players this year, Westphal can have the Kings attacking from all angles.
We know ‘Reke, Martin, and our crew of SF’s can hold their end of the floor, can our 4’s and 5’s hold theirs? (Yes, I have full confidence in ’Reke)
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
I think this team has a shot
at leading the league in FT attempts with Martin and Evans….games may last forever but I think this alone will put them in the top 15 in points per game.
if we dont lead the league in FTs
Then we might lead in lay-ups, dunks, and put backs. Which is just as nice.
I think Westphal has the experience to actually know how to use his personnel correctly. He has made it to the conference finals! He has coached Gary Payton. We may have no where near the talent level, but no where near the craziness of a Barkley or a Payton.
by Ice_9ine on Sep 7, 2009 11:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
to answer the Q part of the 30Q: Will Westphal be creative?
Successful Head Coaches have to be creative and find that compromise between the “what they want” and the “what they have”.
TZ has made the point that Westphal has covered that ground via the sound bite. He publicly has made clear that he has a pretty good grasp of the limitations he has to face and that improvement will be an extended process.
Does he need to be Da Vinci? No, but he Nattin’ better be more than stick figures on a canvas. Maybe a roccoco Red Auerbach.
This team has a shot at being ranked 20th on offense......
Oh my god…is this how bad our beloved Kings have become? To the point of grasping at straws in order to become better than a few teams on offense?
I was already there last year...
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Sep 8, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Any improvement on offense will matter very little...
if they don’t improve at least marginally in both rebounding and defense. Personally, they can stay in the 20’s on offense, but I hope that they can get into the mid 20’s defensively and start to build some cohesiveness…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
No...
You shouldn’t EVER be OK with being ranked in the 20’s on ANYTHING… There are only 32 teams.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Sep 8, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Its only 30 isn't it?
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Iverson
I apologize in advance for posting in this post but if I am the Kings and the Maloofs, why am I not adding Iverson for a one year deal and telling him that I want him to come in Bobby Jackson style in the second unit and shoot, shoot, shoot!!!???
I know I know, first thing you think is that Iverson would hate coming off the bench. So there is the initial flaw in my thinking, but bare with me…
How does this not help the Kings? You could run a 2nd unit of Sergio, Iverson, Garcia, and any of the bigs in the post and score in bunches against the other teams 2nd units at the tail end of the 1st quarter thru mid second and again in the second half. Plus when running with the 1st unit players you could make the argument that Martin can function with shoot first players (see: Artest, Ron and Bibby, Mike) so you can massage the minutes that Reke and AI spend together and other than low post touches for Shock and Hawes, you won’t see a major drop off in team play for those few minutes they all spend together.
Look, we aren’t going to the playoffs and we want to develop the young guys, but you could put some butts in the seats and with the right drive and kick system you could make it fun to watch.
Martin and Garcia can hit the open three, Donte has the ability to hit in bunches and even Nocioni can get it going from time to time. Throw that in with Reke driving and improving his shot and I say it is worth the gamble…who’s with me??!!
Huh.................
I would have said no,no,no to A.I. any other time but I like your break down. I wouldn’t mind it as long as A.I. would be ok with coming off the bench. Maybe, just maybe the fact that no one wants him has possibly humbled him & who knows? It just might work.
by allbenji's on Sep 7, 2009 6:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention
Beno doesn’t play if he has a paper cut so he might prove useful
by allbenji's on Sep 7, 2009 6:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No thanks
More touches for AI means less touches for the future. And Iverson is not geared to contribute to a lousy team. Additionally, the Maloof’s have little interest in shelling out another $4-5 million for a guy that will make a bad team just a little less bad.
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You're probobly right 214
but if Sergio backs Reke, A.I./Martin, Garcia/Noce then the odd man out is Beno & he is not our future. A.I. would also be nice to step in when there are injuries. Maybe the losing is getting to my head but I like it if A.I. knows his role. That’s a big if though
by allbenji's on Sep 7, 2009 9:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not so fast
More touches for AI means less touches for the future.
I disagree. I think it means fewer touches for the future.
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by JediLeroy on Sep 7, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want AI coming in and ruining any team chemistry
and wanting to be the starting point guard. Also, he’s going to go to Memphis. Speaking of which, is Memphis planning on playing with 5 basketballs this year? They’re gonna lead the league in Field Goal Attempts and be dead last in assists.
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Points per game last year as 100.6, 13th highest in the league.
Points allowed was 109.3, 29th.
FG% was .447, 25th.
How did we score so many points with such a low percentage? I’m guessing free throws made up for a lot of it.
Points per game is dependent upon how fast you play and
has little to do with offensive ability. We had the 7th fastest pace(scroll down to Miscellaneous Statistics) in the league, yet we only scored the 13th most points because we had the 25th worst Fg%.
Offensive and Defensive Rtg from the same link are better to use because they eliminate the pace factor by presenting the stat as points per 100 possessions. Using these stats we were 25th on offense and 30th on defense last season.
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
concentrate on that 30th - 30th!!!? in defense
and that offensive number will go way up. I know, I know, I’m a broken record.
But I firmly believe we lost 20 games on D last year by just not making aaany sort of defensive play when it counted.
How ’bout some defensive schemes being mentioned?
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
But you can't ignore the 25th - 25th!! on offense
Improve that and that defensive number will go way up too.
We had the 5th most TOs in the league. That really hurts your D by giving away easy baskets and extra touches.
Bottom line is we need much improvement on both ends of the floor.
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by Kfan in Korea on Sep 8, 2009 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Dribble-Drive
Is the Tiger dribble-drive’s best NBA comparison the current Spurs form where TP/Manu play isolation to kick to a corners or pop it back out with about 10-15 seconds left for the Tim Duncan bailout?
If so, Kings have the backcourt and the shooters, just not the Tim Duncan bailout.
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Good point
Another issue would be that you don’t really want to aspire the Spurs offense — they’ve been league average for about three years running now.
Right
You want to aspire Spurs defense though.
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no kidding
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Imposing offense over talent
Ziller, you make a good case for the dribble-drive type of offensive to make the most of Evan’s talent, but we have to mix it up and run different offensive strategies that make the most of who we have on the floor.
As long as we don’t impose an offense that doesn’t use all of our talent. That means we don’t run offensive that don’t make the most of what talent we have on the floor.
There can be no purist styles given this line-up. PW is going to have to be extremely creative. Playing to the strengths of all the players is the only way to win and I just don’t see how this mish-mash line-up allows this type of play.
They are already saying that they will not use their players to their strengths given the line-up. Saying Hawes is going to have to play down low is just stupid. He has a killer 3-pt shot, put him on the line and have him shoot. Get a big C to play down low.
The last few years have been really discouraging as I have watched this team try to force fit players into roles they just could not play. Douby as a ball distributor was probably the worst.
Maybe the dribble-drive style will work the best. It is something to think about… Good piece!
I think the dribble drive might work extremely well
Especially in end-game situations. Last year we lost a bunch of games by 3 points or less and the last play usually consisted of Beno or John Salmons driving to the rack trying to do something and turning it over. But the word on Evans is that he has the uncanny ability to get to the rim whenever the hell he feels like it, and watching summer league and highlights from Memphis you can clearly see that.
In crunchtime, Evans gets the ball in his hands this year. Its up to him what he does with it.
God damn, I’m loving the Evans/Martin backcourt, and they haven’t even played a game together yet.
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It doesn't concern you
that we lost a lot of games – and looked terrible on offense by essentially doing just this? Dribbling ourselves right to the end of the shot clock (Salmons, KM, whoever), looking for a shot without any plan of where players would be set-up – and being left with a low percentage shot at the end?
My feeling is that this type of offense is exactly what made many (myself incl.) believe we had no offensive startegy.
I think its far too undisciplined for this group, who’ve proven that freestyling ‘simple’ motion offense led to bad shots and consistantly left them out of position to get back on defense.
Young players need structure, teams without a dominant post player need more offensive sets – not fewer,.as there is no ‘bail out option’ of dumping it into the low post. We need to create some easy buckets, get some players to develop more go-to moves. A scramble offense . . . . .?
Personally, I think this type of strategy was responsible for many of our woes both on offense and defense.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Coaching not players
Yes, this is quite concerning. The question may be was it the strategy or the coaching?
We have god-awful coaching who could not pull it off. With PW we have an experienced coach. I think that could make the difference…
It concerns me that we didn't have anyone that could do a dribble drive offense
As I said, Beno and Salmons usually tried it and failed because they got stopped and then turned the ball over. Evans has the unique ability to not be stopped, or to find someone if he is.
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Ditto
Last year’s team didn’t have a guy who could carry the team on offense and create when needed to. Hopefully Evans will be that guy.
Note—even with a beautiful system like the Princeton, the offense can get bogged down late in games (especially in playoffs). You still need an alpha male to take over in crunch time. If Evans can be that, we’ll be fine for the future.
I have to say that
I agree about loving the backcourt. Just looking at how fast Martin and Evans are is encouraging. In watching the Summer League games I saw Evans as a willing passer who could really pull the drive and kick game off.
This could be a good overall strategy… I think it is really going to take more though so that we don’t repeat the Beno and Salmons turnovers, Artest did the same stupid stunt. The difference is that the Kings didn’t have a clear strategy for setting up other players to their strengths when they played this strategy and better have one now.
We could be in business if Evans drives because the defense will collapse and he can kick. Either to Martin who can either drive or shoot or to Hawes, who can’t get stuck down low, at the three point line (Hawes really needs to drag the other teams Center out to cover him and has to be a threat. He has to consistently shoot over anybody else), JT will have to sit at 15-18 ft ready to shoot or drive in off the pass or for a rebound, and Garcia needs to spot shoot 3s. Rotating in other players adds other options…
I don’t think asking this team to play smarter and have some kind of strategy is too much. OK, Ziller, you sold me. I am all for the dribble drive, as long as it is done smarter and with more offensive roles defined.
Salmons drove in - made the defenses collapse
and then
nothing happened.
Was it because he wasn’t a willing passer? Didn’t have great court vision? (my belief)
or because the ‘penetrate and kick’ tends to be disorganized without excellent discipline by the whole offensive unit?
I think it works as a play but not as an a strategy to build an offense around.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Labron, Spurs, and others
all use this as a pretty consistent strategy to make other players better and to get their shots going. Why can’t that also work for us?
The real strategy is to breakdown their defense using the talent you have to make your other talent better and get them to score… It works if done right which takes both talent and discipline.
Is it easy to do all the time… No, Artest just got triple teamed and still lowered his head, charging into the paint. The point in mentioning that is that it has to be done as a team. Willing passing and great court vision are, I agree, essential. If you don’t have the right talent and the correct discipline to do it then it doesn’t work. Perhaps the Kings can have the right mix with this coach and roster…
I don’t know what other option exists… What other strategy should we use given the talent we have?
Those teams mentioned
as discussed by 214 and LPA, all have a player or players who though not PGs are facilitators. More than that, they have a Star level player who is capable of inspiring true fear and respect.
They also, with the exception of Cleveland, have strong low post players you can dump it to at the rim. I think the drive and dish really only works effectively, consistantly, with that low post threat.
In any case my point was that
Its not thier whole offensive startegy. Its just one offensive set.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Other ideas?
But what about my question? It is all well and good to shoot down others ideas if you have something to contribute in terms of ideas. Provide a counter strategy then.
If you have no idea of what should be done instead or what overall strategy should exist then you aren’t adding and just subtracting from the conversation.
As I said
I have no real problem with the dribble drive as one set in a team offensive strategy, I just don’t believe you can build a season around it.
Lots of other offensive sets that can be implemented/incorporated if the coaches draw them up and the players commit to executing.
As for a strategy, a whole game book? I don’t have either the paycheck, the expertise or an understanding at this point of what our players can do at this point, as I have seen very little in the way of team execution in the last two years.
Thats Westphals job to figure out now.
(and I didn’t notice that it was your idea anyway? [chill])
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by lietothegirls on Sep 9, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the Kings will remain in the bottom ten offensively.
I’m highly doubtful of Tyreke Evans having a significantly positive impact on the team’s offense due to his = low scoring efficiency numbers + poor jump shot + high turnovers + mediocre to below par playmaking/passing for a point guard + questionable decision making + over-dribbling.
I think all those areas are going to be works in progress for Evans, especially as a rookie, and I don’t think we’ll see an immediate impact from him offensively. As each of those areas improve — and at the very least, several of those flaws should improve — then I think we’ll see Tyreke morph into a far more effective offensive player.
But I’m pessimistic about his offensive impact as a rookie … down the road, I’m excited … but not right off the bat.

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