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Well ... guess we got the Rookie Of The Year wrapped up.

My condolences to Griffin, the Clippers, and their fans.

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So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

Alive and well.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year's draft:

Stern: With the number 1 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the L.A. Clippers select… John Wall.

John Wall: No, thanks.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 13, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

/signs with FC Barcelona

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Jan 13, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Right now being a #1 pick in the west scary

Of the #1 picks in the 2000’s who went west all have now had leg problems. Yao, Oden, Griffin. Kind of interesting.

by Hilton on Jan 13, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Also shows how much teams value big men

2009: Blake Griffin #1, Hasheem Thabeet #2
2008: Michael Beasley #2, Kevin Love #5
2007: Greg Oden #1, Al Horford #3
2006: Andrea Bargani #1, LaMarcus Aldridge #2, Tyrus Thomas #4, Shelden Williams #5
2005: Andrew Bogut #1
2004: Dwight Howard #1, Emeka Okafor #2
2003: Darko Milicic #2, Chris Bosh #4
2002: Yao Ming #1, Drew Gooden #4, Nikoloz Tsikitishvili #5
2001: Kwame Brown #1, Tyson Chandler #2, Pau Gasol #3 and Eddy Curry #4
2000: Kenyon Martin #1, Stromile Swift #2, Darius Miles #3, Marcus Fizer #4

From the looks of this list, only a few haven’t really been disappointments. The other positions in the top 5 haven’t been as big a disappointment.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy crap

2000 was a terrible draft

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 13, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Michael Redd was the best player taken in that draft

and the Kings took the 2nd best player. Hidayet Turkoglu

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That draft is how I know Petrie is a drafting genius

He literally found one of the only gems in a huge pile of crap.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I would argue Kenyon Martin is a better player

But, 2000 was utterly awful.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 13, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a few stars, some solid big men, and a lot of nothin'.

Stars: Howard, Bosh, Yao*, Gasol,

Solid: Aldridge, Bogut, Okafor, Gooden, Chandler, Martin

Question Marks: Oden, Griffin

Everyone else.

Yao has unquestionably played like a star when he’s been healthy, but his injuries are so numerous and have caused him to miss so much time, that it’s tempting to put him in the question mark category.

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by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you can split the solid into two categories

Solid with potential to be stars: Aldridge, Bogut
Merely solid: Okafor, Gooden, Chandler, Martin

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Not convinced either LMA or Bogut will ever be Stars

but we’ll see.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see Bogut making an All-Star game or two

Don’t know about LMA

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Bogut will get at least one

If he can stay healthy and the bucks can put together a good year. LMA does lots of things good, but there are quite a few players in the west that are similar.

by Hilton on Jan 13, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’d also put Al Horford in at least the solid big men category.

Rock out with your Brock out

by luckthefakers on Jan 13, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This is already posted

under “Thank you David Stern!” But since that title is rather confusing and does not mention Griffin, I’m going to let both shots stick.

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by section214 on Jan 13, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Huge bummer.

I was really looking forward to seeing what Griffin could do against NBA big men. Hopefully everything heals up right and he can be healthy and productive and have a shot at ROY next season.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

Oden

was considered a rookie in his 2nd year, after “redshirting” his actual rookie year.

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by section214 on Jan 13, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It works that way.

Griffin or Wall? Maybe they’ll both be Clippers. Yuck.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of like Chicago was for Derrick Rose, right?

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I mentioned this would happen when the drafted him

I wish Griffin the best… he has all star written all over him and hopes he gets to 100% back. I’ve got to the point where I hope next year is completely injury free for the Clips so they have 1 year of seeing what could be,
They would still have to lose the the Kings in any playoff games though

by ElRonToro on Jan 13, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Have you heard Kayte's take on that?

She thinks he trains wrong for an NBA guy and is likely to stay injured if he continues.

Something like
‘you can’t train like a Navy Seal and be durable in the NBA’

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Soft. Trade 'em.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jan 13, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

She was not saying they are soft

Rather that the training is too intense for players in the NBA. HE should not train with football players either.

by mayfieldcol on Jan 13, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

What he needs is an exercise ball.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Jan 13, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dunleavy might be ineffectual

but I don’t think he’s lost his mind yet.

(but here’s hoping).

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Jan 13, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that is pretty interesting.

I wonder why that is?
I’ve never heard of being too conditioned, right?

by Ichiban on Jan 13, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it's certainly possible to over-stress the body.

In strength conditioning you have set rest periods to allow a particular muscle group to heal and rebuild. Unbalanced conditioning can also have negative effects if, for example, you are building muscle only on the upper body without a corresponding focus on the lower body and trunk.

Extreme height or mass can further complicate things.

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by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe we need to bring this up to Andrew

Over at Male Pattern Fitness. I wonder what he thinks of some of the most common injuries in basketball and their relation to conditioning and training techniques.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Jan 13, 2010 1:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It was an

Overstressing high impact issue for her as Jaycee commented.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll give her an overstressing high impact issue

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey-oooooo!

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by Jaycee on Jan 13, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Too late

Beat you to it

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, I'd still go for it.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 13, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

third

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that seems likely, they guy is ripped

But he definitely has an injury history.

I wonder as well how the techniques and knowledge of each NBA team’s training staff affects the overall healthiness of the team. You look at Phoenix, the way Amaré came back from multiple injuries and how Steve Nash is actually getting BETTER as he ages and wonder if there is something more to that. On the flip side, some team catch “the injury bug” and I wonder how much blame goes on the trainers and even the coaches.

There are definitely a lot of new ideas regarding working out and fitness in recent years years, especially regarding mobility, flexibility, and functionality, and I wonder if some teams haven’t kept up.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Jan 13, 2010 1:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Can we please stop with

Tyreke has RoY chatter?

If he gets hurt now, I’m damning you all to hell.

:)

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

Man

I like to make fun of the Clippers as much as the next guy, but this is so sad. Hope he recovers quickly – I was looking forward to seeing how his type of game meshed in the NBA.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 13, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

Oh man

That sucks

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Jan 13, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Sympathies to you, Clipper fans.

This thing is just cruel.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

This sounds pretty bad

I had my middle patella tendon removed and grafted as a new ACL so I know this has to suck. I looked up some stuff on it.

When surgery is necessary, an incision is made over the front of the knee joint. The fractured ends are realigned and held in place with some combination of pins, screws, and wires. In some cases, a portion of the patella can simply be removed, but this is usually done for smaller fracture fragments.

by MustangMBS on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 13, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Forgiven and the Wire's Snoop

dude, you are something, and that I have an inkling of connection, scares me.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Scared?

You will be…

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 13, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm -

Looks like Coachie after a night out with E-Muss and Noc.

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by section214 on Jan 13, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean these two?


a night out with E-Muss and Noc

by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

no kidding...

a true existential crisis for the Clipps.

by corbin on Jan 13, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like we got super lucky by losing the lottery...

Missed out on this unfortunate piece of news, while getting the guy we would’ve taken 2nd for the cheapest amount of money.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Seems like there's a good chance.

Maybe its a freak injury tho. I am considering us quite lucky at the moment either way.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

funny you ask that

When I watched him play in college, I kept thinking of how hard he went up to dunk and what that was doing to his body. Putting that much stress on your knees has to catch up with you. He got hurt trying on a dunk and I think that could happen on any team he could play on. Hopefully he recovers and plays well next year. I feel bad for the Clippers fans who go through so much pain while watching the Lakers always win.

by king4life on Jan 13, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

dam i feel sorry for the clipper fans…. that really sucks,

by SKingsFan on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Next year we need to find an Old #1 Kings player to attend the lottery though

C-Webb picked His number soooooo

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Tony Delk would get us the best draft pick ever

Wait…

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

oooops

well, redemption maybe.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe take an extra timeout..I say send Vlade!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 13, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he can flop us to #! and John Wall

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 13, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Feel bad for Griffin

Not so much for the Clippers. Why didn’t they just have him do the surgery in the first place? Why dick around with you’re top pick?

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

thats what I was wondering too. You’d think the doctors would have already discovered something like that a month ago

by SKingsFan on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

We could be in the same position

if K-Mart hadn’t gone ahead with the surgery.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Jan 13, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Kings played it safe. Clippers were reckless, and with their supposed future franchise cornerstone.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Decision for surgery is left up to the player right?

The Clips can’t order him to have surgery, or prohibit it. This is a case of Kevin’s decision vs. Blake’s.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 13, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Then Griffin is dumb

and Kevin is smart. But I don’t know all the details. Its not like the Clippers can force him, but they can encourage or discourage him from taking a certain course of action.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Blake opted for surgery

once he realized he has no chance of catching ’Reke for ROY if he comes back this year anyways. Better to take his chances next year with Wall.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 13, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

haha that seems logical to me

by SKingsFan on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

As if.

Griffin is the second coming of Peter Shawn Chilcutt.

by Balky Needs on Jan 13, 2010 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Why oh why

would you insult Chili like that?

Dachshund racing > Horse racing

by DachshundRacer on Jan 13, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel terrible for hte Clips.

Freaking great random luck for the Kings.

by mayfieldcol on Jan 13, 2010 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Geoff Pietri AKA Nostradamus

Thank you sir for picking the many greats! You’ve done it again! Tyreke Evans ROTY!!

by MexicanSKFan2Death on Jan 13, 2010 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on Jan 13, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Nice Griffins

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by section214 on Jan 13, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd better be 7' tall wearing THAT shirt...

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jan 13, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand hand signalese: let me translate

Blake is showing his predicted draft selection number and the results to his career and it looks like the ladies are ready to get a peace

by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The girl in the hat is saying she prefers Thabeet

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

no no no, you almost have it

she is pointing to the other girl’s Tha bust.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool thing with Blake is he gets two more girls than Ike

Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a lucky man.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Vassilliss Spouniliss

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Jan 13, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Vassilis Spanoulis

And he helped lead the Greeks to beat USA in the World Tourney a few years ago :P

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 13, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

on a side note

i remember peaches a few days ago saying that reke has had sketchy,wobbly ankles his entire life, and that he’s likely going to have a fair number of ankle injuries in his career. BONK. am i the only one who didnt know this?

the RoY is definitely not a lock fellas

by Harrisonyaka on Jan 13, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

What I heard from Peaches and an interview with Tyreke Evans

is that he has had a lingering ankle injury since Memphis. Evans said he injured the ankle in college and kept playing on it. The same ankle has been injured a couple times now. I don’t think this is an entire life problem, just a lingering one from college. But then again, I might be wrong.

by king4life on Jan 13, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah we probably heard the same thing and i misconstrued it one way or another

by Harrisonyaka on Jan 13, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Condolences to the Clippers....

…but man, C-Webb = LUCKY #4! Couldn’t be happier with our results from the lottery. This just goes to show, that you CREATE your own luck.

by Smills91 on Jan 13, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

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