The Kings are suddenly better than anyone expected. However, they would still love to cut long-term payroll. They've been using Thomas' $8.8 million expiring contract as bait. In other words, you can have it if you take Andres Nocioni, too.
about 2 years ago
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I'll give Nocioni this
I’d rather have him than Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries, players the Knicks are trying to package away with their expirings.
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Seriously
If they wanna dump those guys they better be willing to part with Gallo or Chandler
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Gallo/Chandler < Casspi
I did not think I’d be saying that on draft day.
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True
but I wouldn’t totally mind trading K9/Armstrong for Curry/Gallo. Gallo would be a great trade chip to have, and there’s nothing wrong with having too much talent
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If I were NY
Gallo would be one of the only ones on my near untouchable list.
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Good point
Peja’s career hasn’t been the same since his back problems. Hopefully Gallo’s still young enough where he can recover fully and not have it be a problem until later.
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Also True.
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I think someone would go
for Jeffries + Hill for expirings. I think the Knicks would rather do that one.
The future begins now...
No Nate, please
Ball hog. Can’t defend. History of doghouse occupation. And we don’t need another guard.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 14, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
No 2010 1st round pick
I think the Knicks are hesitant to throw their 2009 1st rounder into a deal. Cap space or not, it’s hard to sell that to your fans.
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Do you have a gold statue of Noc in your living room you pray to every day Chapu?
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I don't think he does, because that would be worshipping false idols.
There’s only one Nocioni, and you go to HIS house to worship.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
Honestly, Noc's contract is not that bad
It’s got a few years, but that declining price tag is nice. Plus, the last year is a team option, I believe. I still see him going to the Celts for expirings. They could use him quite a bit
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I agree
A lot of teams will start to freak out as the deadline approaches. This offseason is going to be insane in terms of signings, trades, and all that so I can see a lot of teams (Boston for example) looking at this year as their last serious chance of winning it all. They may just go for it.
The future begins now...
Especially depending on KG's status
if he can be around for the playoffs they’ll need all the help they can get to make one last push with him
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I didn't really think of the Garnett injuries in regards to Boston.
It makes a lot of sense that they would target Noc because he can play the 4 as well as the 3. I always just looked at Noc as a replacement for James Posey who left last year for NO. Boston has a stack of small movable EC pieces. I think that to a team like Boston, Noc is worth expiring contracts and their 1st rounder (25-30 pick). I also believe that the Kings can use Boston and their expirings/pick to obtain a big piece to the puzzle when added to Kenny, the Kings 1st and/or a Hawes or Greene. Expiring contracts, 2 picks and a young player = gold to a team about to lose…say…Chris Bosh.
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I think the caveat to us getting some picks and trading them to land a star
should be that Geoff Petrie will offer to make the picks for whatever team they’re traded to.
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Yes. That is at least worth a fringe all-star player to another team.
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This Geoff Petrie love is getting nauseauting.
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His contract is that bad
If GP can get rid of Noc for expirings we should be ecstatic.
There can’t be that large a market for slow-footed gunners that can’t shoot. The only hope is finding a contender that saw Noc’s reaction for half a season last year when he came here and played hard and that team prsuming the same would happen this year.
Other than a half season for us last year, Noc has been terrible for years. That his contract declines to $6mil/per is nice, but its still a lot of money for a guy that might bring what you expect to a playoff team.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Buy 1 Noc
And get a Kenny Thomas, free after June 2010! Andres Nocioni’s are made in Argentina, and you know the Argentines make good stuff. But call now, because you know we can’t do this all day.
Wait whats that?
Ok I’m getting word from our producers that yes we can do this all day, someone please buy this Andres Nocioni. Please.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 14, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
If there's any plus-side to the Kings' financial woes
its listening to Peaches lower himself to shamelessly hawking these promotions
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"And if you call before the end of the half"
“We’ll throw in a brand new Brockness Monster shirt and Omri’s bobblehead for free!! You can’t miss this offer, ohh boyyyyyyyy!!!”"
The future begins now...
Turn the fire sprinklers on, this deal is on FIRE!!!
by DustyG on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We should have Grant sell tickets
“You want two lower bowl, section 114? PUT THAT IN THE BOOK, NOW SIGN ON THIS LINE!”
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 15, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
The way I have felt all year is
if we do not find any takers during the season… move Noc to the bench and let him be a primary back up to the 4 and spot minutes to the 3.
He is a valuable piece in that he does bring intensity to the court. Plays decent D. Can create a shot of the dribble if need be and can hit the long ball.
The way I see it the only front-court players we have that I would want playing ahead of Noc would be Thompson/Hawes/Brockman. Let Noc get the rest of the minutes while pairing him with the better rebounder. Basically no Hawes/Noc lineup ever.
If we either don’t find an expiring that is bigger for this season by dumping Noc/K9 or a talent upgrade (AK47?). Then we do what Portland did last season and hold onto our expiring’s and either chase a free-agent this year… or save our space and wait till next season.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions
Well put
which is why Chad Ford is probably full of shit here. Not that anyone’s surprised. Nocioni’s contract kind of sucks, but he brings enough to the team that we’re not going to be desperate to move him. We can easily get good pieces for KTEC without begging teams to take Noc from us as well.
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Chad Ford
seems to hear one rumor and then let a bunch of scenarios play out in his mind.
And then spread them… till they are out of control.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
So he's basically a SactownRoyalty member?
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by vfettke on Jan 14, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Haha.
Basically!
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
WRONG
I am Chad Ford. Chad Ford is not me.
by Carl on Jan 14, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So you stopped being Tiger Woods huh?
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I'm guessing thats almost exactly what the Kings are saying
not too hard to deduce
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Which is why
As much as I would like to see a Kings/Utah trade happen with AK47 and K9/Noc as the primary pieces. I do not know if it will. Because it slightly increases our payroll for this season and next (even though AK47 comes off the books at the end of next season).
They are still rebuilding. We are just better than what everyone (well the pundits/talking heads) thought we would be. Which means we can look for more than just a straight salary dump (like the Armstrong acquisition although that was not really a talent upgrade either more of a guy who can block a shot here and there).
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Only in Summer League
And JT dominated him there.
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He is still
a young player who has a bit of potential. However, I would not take on Jeffries/Curry for Hill.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I guess
That I don’t have interest in Nate. He’s a decent production player who will get a few steals and assists and can fill it up if he get’s hot.
But I would rather have Beno coming in and playing the combo-guard of the bench role than Nate.
Nate will likely want more money than Beno as well and what would be the point of having a half season rental of Nate?
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Very true
Sorry, I keep forgetting that we have Beno and that he’s actually playing really well this year
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my impression would be that Nate would want to be here as much as StR would want him here
which is – very litte to not at all.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Make it a three team deal
Boston takes Noce and NY gets expirings from Boston.
So...
Boston gets Nocioni
NYK gets K9/Scalabrine/Tony Allen
Kings get Jeffries/Nate/Hill
I don’t mind that at all. Especially since we can probably re-sign Nate for a few years on the cheap because no one was really that interested last year
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No
Don’t want Nate (see above) or Jeffries (substandard offense, rebounding, shotblocking). Doesn’t help the Kings at all and might hurt because of Nate’s questionable team ethic.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 14, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
If it weren't for Thabeet
Jordan Hill would be leading the bust campaign for Draft ‘09. He may develop but right now he looks like Mikki Moore’s apprentice.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hill needs more time.
The dude never even picked up a basketball until he was a junior in high school. I went to law school at U of A while Hill was there. Each season he made significant strides. He’s just very, very raw. But, he’ll be better than Moore…and better than Thabeet, too!
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by PhutureKings on Jan 14, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Are you sure?
Because Thabeet is currently leading the NBA in blocked shots per 48 minutes. And he is a respectable 25th in rebounds per 48, ahead of M. Gasol, Varejao, Lopez, Bynum, Kaman, Stoudemire, JT, and many other big-name rebounders. Admittedly he plays limited minutes, but so far he is performing exactly as advertised. A potential game-changer on the defensive end who is very raw on the offensive end.
My point is not that he is a star. My point is that it is WAY too early to tell, but preliminary indications are extremely positive.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 14, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Thabeet will end up being a nice player
I just think he should have been selected somewhere in the 5-10 range, instead of the 1-4 range.
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He would also have 9 fouls per 48 minutes
So maybe you should run his production per 32 minutes. Point taken, though. Kid does have potential, but he has a long, long way to go to validate that #2 pick.
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I love that two people are arguing who is better
and both their arguments include how raw Hill and Thabeet are as well as their inexperience
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it goes to show that here in Sacramento we have been spoiled
our rookies – all 3 of them – are contributing now and that is warts and all. If Hill comes in, he will be a rerun of Doratio Kane 2008-09 edition, without the personality. You all ready to trade away K9EC and get a guy who may develop into a stud in two years? Bleh.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure.
I would be pretty enticed to take Thabeet with a late first lottery pick. Probably just me though
Agreed
Seems like a Trade that could go down though.
Not really
as he’s only played in 12 games. However, I have no problem picking up a cheap big man prospect
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Agreed
I don’t know why everyone’s so down on Jordan Hill. Look at his game log – whenever he actually gets any burn, he appears to be somewhat productive.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Its the Thabeet syndrome
He was being projected top five and everyone paying attention thought he’d be good but – but it wasn’t a good draft for big men.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
you can probably get a good salmon fillet at Morton's
but you go there for the steaks.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone catch
in this article next to Jose Calderons name Chad Ford said there is a rumor of a Calderon for Kevin Martin trade? Are you effin serious? That would be far the worst Kings trade ever. We already have a calderon his name is sergio rodriguez..
Now thats bullshit
ignore it
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
No way, Jose.
Unless… they threw in Bosh.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jan 14, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I love me some K-Mart but...
If the Kings could deal Martin and expiring contracts for Bosh and Calderon? I would want a contract extension for Bosh but that deal would be done yesterday.
Calderon/Beno
Evans/Garcia/Udoka
Casspi/Donté/Garcia
Thompson/Brockman
Bosh/Hawes
= another 8 year playoff run and possibly a championship or three.
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Sorry- PIPE DREAM.
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Not necessarily...
I f we offered Hawes, Martin and expirings for Bosh, the Raptors would listen.
The risk is they pose Bosh for nothing. Getting Martin and Hawes plus saving cap space would entice them.
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by PhutureKings on Jan 14, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
^^lose, not pose
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by PhutureKings on Jan 14, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
You'd probably need to throw in Casspi to get the deal to work..
Would you want to do that trade?
Did you just compare Sergio to Calderon?
Other than the fact that they are both Spanish and play little D, they have nothing in common. Calderon is one of the most efficient players in the league and he can shoot so he is still effective off the ball. I’m not saying to do the trade, but Calderon is a near all star (when healthy) and Sergio is still trying to prove he deserves a roster spot in the league.
Actually...
…per minute, statistically speaking they’re near equals with Calderon being a better 3 point shooter. THe MAJOR difference is Calderon gets 8 million a year and Sergio gets 1.5 million.
I guarantee without the CBA hampering trades if the Raps could deal Calderon for Sergio they would.
So the Kings are offering 16.25 million up for taking.
Interesting. Not that we didn’t already assume this to be the case but interesting none the less. What Ford is insinuating here is that the Kings are telling other teams that they will take a player who is under contract past this season and earning between 12.18 and 20.31 million. Taking this even a step further, the Kings have 3 point guards, 2 two guards and 4 small forwards under contract so it could be assumed that we could narrow this “player of interest” to a center or power forward, under contract, making between 12-20mill a year or a combination of players, all under contract who fit this criteria. With all the other EC contracts the Kings also have to work with I think this confirms that the Kings are trying to make the “big splash” now for a player under contract long term.
Go to work trade machiners.
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I like the way you think on this
mostly because it coincides with what I was thinking. This is a chance to get the 3rd big to go with JT and Hawes . A team who needs a salary dump or an expiring who they don’t think they can resign. If we catch this break, it would make the Kings a playoff team next season, who would have a lotter pick.
Bigs: Mysterybigdude JT Hawes Brock
Littles Evans Martin Casspi Udrih Garcia Greene + lottery pick
or if the cost of said player also costs some talent or the 10-15 pick in the draft, then so be it.
I’m excited and I think the Kings have some value pieces that can be dealt with the emergence of Casspi and the return of Martin/Garcia.
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Evans/Udrih/Rodriguez
Martin/Evans/Garcia/Udoka
Casspi/Garcia/Kirilenko/Udoka
Kirilenko/Thompson/Brockman/Armstrong
Thompson/Hawes/Fesenko/Armstrong
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jan 14, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
You do a trade with Utah
And John Brockman will be involved. I think Brockman is the secret love child of Jerry Sloan.
I like Donte better than Kirilenko in the very near future.
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by lodisacfan on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jefferson
I’m not sure how I feel about Al Jefferson, but this trade works, with the Kings taking back Sessions big contract, partly to make it easier to part with Jefferson, partly to make the salaries work.
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I can't see it at work
but I love Sessions, so sign me up. Too bad Rambis has ruined him
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I laugh whenever I hear/see Rambis' name.
I can’t believe we almost hired him.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
It sends a shiver down my spine
we actually wanted him way more than Westphal… that scares me
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We wanted the #1 pick. We “settle” for Tyreke. Blake doesn’t log a single minute this year due to injury.
We wanted Rambis. Rambis turns out to be awful at managing his players.
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by Juan Primo on Jan 14, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Jason Levien is Neo?
GP is Morpheus
Wayne Cooper is Trinity?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers are the Machines.
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na, they are humans
because to them, the rules can be bent and broken
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
And the refs are the oracle
because they can see who will win each series beforehand.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
I don't see why the T-Wolves would settle for Nocioni
when they wanted Granger.
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They desperately need a 2 and a 3
Just saying, I didn’t look at the trade.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
K-9 and Noc
for Jefferson and Sessions. That would be a coup and a half if it happened, if only because we could flip both of those guys for way more than we gave up.
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They would never give up Big Al for Noc and K9!
That is simply NEVER going to happen.
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by PhutureKings on Jan 14, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
but the lakers could offer them
sasha vujajic and a 2nd rd pick and it happens in a flash
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
Pass me what you're smoking
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by My Losing Season on Jan 14, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Clarification
G was the one who posted that trade, I was just saying what it was for those who couldn’t click the link at work.
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So you're not smoking anything?
[looks disappointed]
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by My Losing Season on Jan 14, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, no more
I was messing around with the trade machine when I saw what Darko is making this year. I’m too depressed to continue.
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Here
Try this. We’d probably have to include some kind of draft pick, but it’d make our roster better.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 14, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Is Oden's career over?
Just throwing it out there. Portland needs a big man right now worse then us.
Oden's career may not be over
but they definitely need major help. Aren’t they starting a 60 year old Juwan Howard? And Roy’s hurt too
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Portland needs to start think about the 'what if' he'll never be healthy
In fact, I’m sure they already are
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
This would be risky
But now is the best time. Hawes and Beno for Oden and Bayless. Oden is the ideal center we have always wanted. Problem is, when he is healthy
I could do without sessions contract please
but Al Jeff could be our Zack Randolph. He is surely far more consistent offensively that JT or Hawes has been. It seems like we win when one of our bigs has a great game we could get that every night from Al Jeff
I think its pretty decent
and probably very movable in the future if we wanted to.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Al Jeff could be our Zack Randolph
Yes, because everyone needs a douchebag power forward that plays no defense…
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 14, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant basketball player Randolph
not the person. Say what you want about his or Al’s defense but Zach is a big part of what the Griz are doing now. As far as I know no big man on this team plays great D but when they have big games offensively it gives us a better chance to win. With all the talk about getting a great defensive big man there are good playoff teams that don’t have them & bad teams that do have them. Amare/Suns & Dalembert/Sixers come to mind. Believe it or not there aren’t alot of Dwight Howards out there why else would a championship caliber Cleveland team settle for an old washed up Shaq?
Fine
I don’t watch him play enough to get a good read on him. But this thread has been mainly focused on big men with big contracts so who else is out there besides Amare, Bosh(who we aren’t going to get), Al Jeff, Dalembert, Okefor(who seems like an obvious no with the HA trade)?
Care to expand?
I’m always interested in the views of people in the local marker since you’ve got a lot more exposure. Depending on how much you’ve got to say, it could even be a good fanpost.
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Sure, I rarely pass up a chance to subject you guys to my inane drivel.
Mr. Jefferson is an amazing post technician. He is not ridiculously athletic, strong, etc, though he will surprise you with his quickness, even there though, he’s not freakishly quick. What he does real well, is he scores in the post with either hand. That’s where his gifts are; if any method has ever been invented to get a ball in the basket from close in, whether over, under or through the defense, Big Al has that move.
The most important thing he does though, is he always makes the right read. Some people just get it, Big Al backs in, if he feels the defender slightly on his right unbalanced, he’s making the spin to his left and beating you to the rim with that hand. He makes all but the most gifted defenders require double-team help, though he’s not the world’s best passer. For any kid that wants to learn to play the post, he would be the best active player to learn from, in my opinion.
So that’s what he brings, and without question he’s good at it. Also, we could really use a post player that commands double teams. Here’s why I don’t like him on the team…he’s a high volume guy and he’ll never be a plus defender. All his technical ability on offense doesn’t stop anyone, and honestly, he doesn’t seem real interested most of the time on defense. I’m not exactly saying he’s lazy or doesn’t try, but…he’s certainly not high on the list of hard nosed energy guys.
On offense, he’s phenomenal, but you have to work through him. He’s going to setup, get the ball, read the situation, make his decision and go, but he takes a long time to do this. Not throwing stones at the guy, he makes the right reads and is very good, but having him means you have to commit a lot of shot clock to him and often or you aren’t playing to his strengths.
We alreeady have a guy that takes a lot of time to make decisions or is exploring a lot when we’re on offense, Mr;. Evans. Maybe that will diminish over time, but I have a feeling as Tyreke learns the NBA and gets better, we’re going to be pretty happy letting him do his thing some. I don’t think he’s a good match with Big Al. Big Al’s perfect team is with an intimidating rebounder that can make a wide open shot, and 3 other guys that play defense and can shoot; I don’t think we’re the right team for him.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 14, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
It's amazing more people don't know who you are around here.
Brilliant writeup. Rec’d.
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I did.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
See if you can get it printed in "Douchebag Quarterly" so he'll see it.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
mabye everyone is looking at the wrong big guy from Minn
How about Kevin Love? I could see a deal where the kings send Hawes and an expiring contract for love and a bad contract….
Love would be the perfect fit on the kings, and Hawes would be a perfect fit for the Wolves. Love can shoot to help spread the floor, is an incredible passer, and is a beast on the D boards, which is our biggest weakness as a team right now
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I would love to get Love on this team
But I doubt Minny wants to give him up. They probably like him better than Jefferson. Younger, cheaper, better rebounder, better shooter, better defender.
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I will take Al Jefferson over kevin Love any day of the week and twice on Sunday...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Kevin Love isn't available
the Minnesota Nice fans around here would burn the Target Center to the ground.
There’s no way he’s available for the pieces bandied about here.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I agree that Minn shouldn't do this trade specifically
but I wouldn’t say he isn’t availible. Look at what Kahn has done so far, he is undoing everything Mchale did (good or bad, you decide). There is no doubt that the pairing they have isn’t going to get it done, and I wouldn’t be suprised to see either of them moved, to the kings or not.
He screwed up the draft, overpaid for role players like Sessions and Hollins, so he isn’t exactly the smartest GM out there.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Take the euphoria around here regarding Brockman and his playing style
then apply that feeling to a guy that was talented enough to be a lottery pick. That’s Kevin Love in MN, or at least it will be once the cities realize there’s still an NBA team in town.
The final McHale years have purged all but the most loyal fans here, but if they have any hope for casual fans, its based on Love’s marketability.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Just a suggestion
Not saying I’d do it (I’m against all K-Mart trades right now) but what do you guys think of
Martin for Love, Blount’s expiring and Rubio’s rights.
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THERE IS NO WAY THAT MINNESOTA MAKES THIS TRADE. NONE.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I am also against all KM trades
but I too would think about this. I don’t want Rubio on this team I think he is way overhyped but for that reason he could be a valuable chip. Is there that much of a difference between K Love & David Lee? Why not keep Kev & make a run at Lee?
Are you guys nuts?
Minnesota wouldn’t trade Ricky Rubio for Kevin Martin straight up.
Minnesota wouldn’t trade Kevin Love for Kevin Martin straight up.
Minnesota probably wouldn’t trade Al Jefferson for Kevin Martin straight up.
REALITY PEOPLE. REALITY.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
They wouldn't do this trade
but I think Kmart for blount and love is very fair for both sides. If Martin and evans don’t fit together, and I am positive they will indeed be great together, this would be an excellent deal for both sides.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Kevin Martin is a good player and al...
But Minnesota is talking about shipping Al Jefferson, who is young and has a VERY reasonable contract, to make room for Love. They are not trading Kevin Love.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Are you serious?
I get Kevin Love & Al Jeff but an overhyped RR who will never play in Minny for a borderline All-star that fills their biggest need? Wow I’ve heard it all now.
Ricky Rubio may not ever be as good as Kevin Martin...
But becasue of his hype and “potential” Minnesota can get a hell of a lot more than Kevin Martin for him.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
And I am not dogging Kevin Martin, or praising Ricky Rubio. I am only stating his value to Minnesota and around the league.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I don't disagree with that. And I wouldn't trade K-Mart for him
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I guess that makes more sense
but I still disagree no team is going to trade a player better than KM for a guy who might not ever play in the US it’s just too risky
Like who?
Legitimate question – I am interested in your ideas. Golden State shipped J-Rich out a couple of years ago for a #8 pick. Ray Allen was worth a #5 pick. So your point has some merit.
I wouldn’t do Martin for Rubio – if we’re worried about how Tyreke and Kevin co-exist, what the hell happens when you put two ball dominant players in the same backcourt like Evans and Rubio?
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Rubio is making noises
that sound like it might be more than two years – if he ever comes over.
‘I want to win a Euro Championship first’ etc..
No suprise to me but I was on an Island with my RR opinion.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Was that Thabeet Island?
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by section214 on Jan 14, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Time will tell
Check back next year. I never pretended he wasn’t a two + year proposition.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Many of the people that say now that Bosh
would be all about the max money the team with his rights could give, also said the 6 mil Rubio would have had to pay his team wouldn’t mean anything to him for the chance to play Anywhere in the NBA.
Pish-posh
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Rubio = Magic Beans
Fuck that, I wouldn’t trade Martin for him if he was actually in Minnesota, and I don’t think I’d give up much more than Cisco for his rights.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
c'mon andy
you’d give up Cisco for section’s table scraps after a particularly well cooked meal.
:-)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
All I am saying is that, deserved or not, Ricky Rubio has value in Minnesota, other teams, and among the average fan as someone with the potential to be one of the top point guards in the league.
Kevin is what? Top 15-20 SG/SF in the league?
I don’t agree with the perceived value of Rubio. But Minnesota does. And that is all that matters, what Minnesota thinks of him.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Agreed with the 2nd paragraph
It will be interesting to see how that perception of value increases or decreases as time goes by.
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I don't think his value is particularly high in Minny
I heard Kevin Love on the Dan Patrick show. Dan asked him “Will Ricky Rubio ever play in Minnesota?”
His response was
“I really hope so, but honestly I really doubt it.”
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
I highly doubt they can get more than K-Mart for him
4 teams passed on him.. I don’t think 4 teams would pass on K-Mart if he were in the draft now and people knew what he’d become.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
ummm... i think you should look at that draft....
Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Andre Igoudala, Luol Deng for sure go before K-Mart.
Then you also have Emeka Okafor, Ben Gordon, Andres Biedrins, Shawn Livingston, and Devin Harris who one could aruge could also go before K-Mart.
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Pretty much
It would’ve been fantastic if Livingston had gone anywhere other than the Clippers. He’d be an All Star now
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Fun fact
Biedrins has yet to make a free throw this year (0-7).
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That's lovely.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I was referring to this past draft, not the one K-Mart was drafted in
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I wonder
What is the difference between what we get for KTEC versus what we get for KTEC + Noc, or seperate deals for each?
It’s strange because I almost think that what we’d get back for KTEC would be someone/something like Noc and his contract. That’s because supposedly teams are interested in exchange short term expirings for longer term burdens.
So, we’d probably get something in exchange for KTEC like Noc (a somewhat crappy deal with a few years left) but in big man form. So it’d have to be a multiple team deal (or seperate deals altogether) in order to get rid of Noc and KTEC cause movement for them accomplishes apparently contrasting goals. I’d love to get a Noc-type contract/player in big man form (NTC/PBMF?) for K9 and a 1st rounder and filler for Noc.
Is that about right?
I don't think so
there’s no reason for us to trade K9EC for someone else’s marginal deal alone.
The potential deals probably look like:
K9EC for a fair/slightly overpriced contract that runs several years for a player we could use and an asset. Depending on the player involved, the asset could be something like a recent lottery pick someone gave up on or a low upcoming #1.
K9EC + Noc for a player with a bigger ok/bad contract in a position we need.
K9EC + Noc for a pile of crap, most of which is expiring.
K9EC + Noc < K9EC alone, we would get more for K9EC by himself.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Nocioni + Thomas' expiring
I think that realistically could fetch deals like:
NY: Curry/Jeffries + Sweetener(Hill, picks, cash etc)
Utah: Kirilenko/Fesenko
Philly: Dalembert
LONG SHOT:
Wash: Arena+McGee
Sports Guy podcast with Chad Ford
Was interesting, both agreed that the Kings were a suprise team,
Ford is convinced that Martin and Evans can’t play together, which is amazing as they have only played 5 games together. I wonder why not play the season out and see what they have rather rushing out and making a deal involving a principal party?
Simmons wondered if Evans couldn’t play some small forward and play him with Martin and Beno. An idea with merit akin to the way you get other teams match up to what you are doing ie Nellie ball. To me talent is talent, a good coach should be able to make talent work should he not ie Phil Jackson, bad coaches shoe horn talent into there systems ie Rick Pitino
They discussed a Kings T Wolves deal as Ford maintained that Martins value will never be higher (total drivel), but thought the Wolves would never do a Jefferson for Martin, well logically they shouldn’t, but maybe Kahn is an idiot and may just do the deal. They discussed the history of trades of young bigs for guards, ie the bullets with Rasheed and C Webb, they got Strickland and Mitch.
It is interesting stuff, Ford does seem convinced of the might of his own opinion,
Next month he'll pretend he never had it
or rationalize it.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't you really rather read a Ford?
His opinions are that reliable.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I listened to a lot of the podcast...
Both Ford and BS stroked each other into believing the Bosh for Bynum deal was not only a possibility but an pretty sure thing. I’ll give BS a little room here because he is really a Lakers homer but do these guys actually get paid for doing this shit? Bynum is a BYC player and his salary only counts as 6 million in out going cash. Both teams are over the cap so this deal is IMPOSSIBLE to consummate. What kind of professional basketball writer/expert doesn’t take the 3 minutes to check the salary cap ramifications of a deal before professing it as a possibility?
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I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
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Goverment Motors < Chrysler < Ford < Asian Cars < German engineering < Hummer
So you know exactly where Ford ranks.
Lakers friend of mine proposed this one
Fischer + Farmar + Morrison (all expiring) for Beno + Noc + May
Would shore up their dreadful PG spot + bench and clear over 10 mil in cap space for the next 3 seasons for us. Despite liking Udrih at this point, I would have to really consider that if a better, monster deal did not come along before the deadline.
what happened to the daughter with retinoblastoma thing?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
She actually gets her treatment in NY or something
It was a lie.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
a Laker with a fake?
no way, can’t happen
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
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