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The Sacramento Convergence

The following is an exact copy of the proposal by the Kamilos Companies & Macquarie Capital (USA) Inc presented earlier today for the development of an Entertainment and Sports Complex facility in Sacramento

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The Sacramento Convergence

The Kamilos Companies & Macquarie Capital (USA) Inc

Intro

After conducting extensive analysis of numerous development options, Central Valley-based the Kamilos Companies and global financier Macquarie Capital (USA) Inc., with the support of the National Basketball Association, have joined to propose an exciting new project for the Sacramento region. The proposal project, known as The Sacramento Convergence, solves the ongoing issue of funding an entertainment arena complex by utilizing the Performance Based Infrastructure statute adopted by the California Legislature and signed by the Governor in 2009.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex using private financing and created the opportunity for a new, relocated Cal Expo Facility. This program will create the infrastructure to support 12,000 new direct jobs and over 5,000 engineering, technical, and constructional related jobs. By the “convergence” of multiple major public facilities and public transportation access throughout Sacramento and the Central Valley, and create a substantive economic engine for downtown Sacramento and the entire metropolitan region.

The Concept

Within the city limits of Sacramento three major sites are considered as prime properties for redevelopment.  The downtown brown field rail yard site (either just the City-owned portion or acquired potions of the greater site); the Cal Expo site in the Point West area and the Arco Arena site in North Natomas. Various proposals have looked individually at these three sites for the development of a new arena. However, the Sacramento Convergence proposes the coordinated redevelopment of all three sites in order to develop and privately finance a project providing statewide high-quality access via the City’s planned downtown Regional Intermodal Transportation Center and its potential connections to a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex and a potential new Cal Expo facility.

The Performance Based Infrastructure (aka Public Service Partnership) approach used in The Sacramento Convergence is one in which a private partnership designs, builds, finances, and maintains the facilities and lease them to the users for a fixed term. The public entity (City, State, and possibly the County or other jurisdictions) will partner with the private firm to facilitate revenues streams which will offset the annual finance payments in conjunction with the lease payments from the facilities tenants. After the fixed term (30 years) the ownership of the facility transfers from the “private partner” to each project’s respective “public partner.”

The City’s planned Regional Intermodal Transportation Center (RITC) will provide enhance mass transportation (rail, bus) opportunities for business and tourist visitors to Sacramento and these new public facilities from throughout the Central Valley and Bay Area as well as local job commuters and visitors to downtown via light rail and regional/ shuttle buses.

The combined redevelopment of all three sites, totaling about 565 acres, provides for increased economies-of-scale. The Sacramento Convergence program includes redevelopment of the existing Cal Expo site and remaining property downtown to mixed urban/ suburban land uses complementing the character of their surrounding areas. Monetizing the increased value from the redevelopment of these existing sites will provide equity capital assistance to the PBI financing process, while achieving highest and best land uses for the redevelopment sites.

The Vision

The Sacramento Convergence program will construct a new Entertainment and Sports Complex, associated parking structure and support retail, commercial, office, and residential land uses. It also provides resources to the state for an opportunity to develop a new Cal Expo facility in North Natomas.

Located in the downtown core on the City-owned portion of the Railyard Specific Plan site, the new Entertainment and Sports Complex (ESC) will center on a 19,000 seat state-of-the-art arena facility capable f hosting not only the Sacramento Kings NBA franchise, but also concerts and events Sacramento has come to expect. Integrated around the arena and RITC facilities are a variety of entertainment, dining, retail, office, parking, and residential uses. The new ESC will represent another significant milestone in Sacramento’s ongoing redevelopment of the City’s most visible and symbolic neighborhoods. The Kamilos/ Macquarie team envisions a major facility that both reflects and accelerates a resurgence of the City’s downtown business district.

The new ESC will be the centerpiece and primary anchor of this opportunity to reinvigorate Downtown Sacramento. The venue will be one-of-a-kind design specifically tailored to the needs of the citizens of Sacramento, providing state-of-the-art facilities for professional sports franchises and a mix of concerts, ice shows, circus, and other sports and entertainment events, and will also be well positioned to host major collegiate and national amateur athletic events. It is anticipated the arena itself will host in excess of 200 events annually, offering luxury suite opportunities to the regions corporate sector, club seats to interested patrons, sponsorship opportunities, and individual event suites. The Sacramento Convergence arena will become the new must-see destination and a dynamic backdrop for a lively new entertainment district.

The ESC’s downtown location offers unique and distinctive opportunities to:

v  Establish a synergy of entrainment, convention, sports, and performance uses adjacent to Sacramento’s existing downtown area,

v  Create a new civic identity articulated in expression of architecture and contribute to the revitalization of the rail yard brown fields and underused surrounding properties

v  Capitalize upon pedestrian, transit, and vehicular networks ringing the site to address a multitude of civic needs and facility requirements while capturing the unique advantages of this location

v  Embody an urban design response that enhances the unique environments on all sides of the facilities and amplifies positive development trends in surrounding areas, and

v  Share parking facilities with the RITC, creating a functional and financial synergy between the two facilities

The concentration of these new facilities, coupled with the enhanced access to both Old Sacramento and Downtown Plaza, will contribute to the renewing of downtown Sacramento’s urban fabric into a more vibrant, sophisticated and engaging experience. To seed and encourage the establishment of new high quality business, Kamilos/ Macquarie, in conjunction with Vision Maker Worldwide, also proposes the possibility of partnering with a major global brand in providing groundbreaking “edutainment destination – a next-generation indoor theme park – for potential inclusion in The Sacramento Convergence program. Vision Maker Worldwide oversees the design, development and operation of leisure destinations such as theme parks, urban entertainment centers and resort. The company was originally founded in 2001 by former executives from the Walt Disney Company, Universal Studios, and other leading organizations.

This program also provides an opportunity for the State to develop a state-of-the-art Cal Expo facility on the existing Arco Arena site in North Natomas. A locational move of Cal Expo is consistent with its historic roots, in that approximately every 40 years Cal Expo (State Fair) relocates, first at 20th and H, then along Stockton Blvs., then to its present location in the Point West area. Such a new facility could incorporate year-round attractions, thus increasing visitors and revenue streams that would allow Cal Expo to function with even greater financial stability in a new facility. The existing Arco Arena could be recycled/ renovated to create an exhibit hall for Cal Expo, repurposing the structure in accordance with sustainable urban design principles. As in the downtown core, private mixed-used development could be incorporated by the state into the land planning of the North Natomas site to augment the potential new Cal Expo facility and create and even greater attraction and success.

If the state does develop a new Cal Expo facility in North Natomas both it and the downtown ESC wil be directly connected by light-rail via Regional Transit’s planned extension to serve the airport with the downtown Natomas Airport line. This connection through the RITC, coupled with the connection to the Airports, will facilitate statewide access to all of these public facilities.

The existing Cal Expo site in Point West will be entirely redeveloped to mixed urban/ suburban land uses, incorporating the latest techniques for sustainable planning, design, and construction

Through the course of preparing The Sacramento Convergence program, numerous alternatives have been evaluated consisting of various combinations and permutation of facility location, land acquisition and lad redevelopment. These alternatives have been evaluated financially as well as qualitatively. The concept previously described is the alternative selected to best facilitate The Sacrament Convergence program’s development of a premier ESC that will catalyze job creation, cultural revitalization, and broader economic and community development across the Sacramento metropolitan region.

However, this is not necessarily the final or refined concept. The next steps in our program consist of additional detailed evaluations of various aspects of the program. These may include review and re-evaluation of prior and/or further alternatives based on new information or changed parameters.

Regional Benefits Resulting from The Sacramento Convergence

General Benefits: The Sacramento Convergence offers the City and the state considerable economic opportunities in these challenging times, including:

v  An unprecedented and privately-financed viable means to develop a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex without new taxes

v  A substantial economic stimulus for the Greater Sacramento Region, Central Valley, and state without a tax increase

v  Development of “grouped-together” facilities creates significantly synergies, providing additional day worker, citizen and consumer use of downtown Sacramento’s businesses and public facilities.

v  Redevelopment of the Cal Expo site into a feasible, sustainable master-planned neighborhood.

v  The funds used in a PBI financing approach are private and therefore independent of the hurdles confronting public financing at this time

v  The three sites combined will accommodate between 4.300 and 8,500 housing units (plus appropriate affordable housing units), dispersing the housing to all three sites, thus lessening the stress on the success of ongoing housing revitalization programs in the current downtown and midtown locations

v  Incorporation of retail and employment components into all three sites in a manner consistent with existing businesses and nearby regional retail facilities

v  Immediate creation of approximately 300 direct professional and technical jobs to design the project plus an additional 150 indirect jobs

v  Creation of 5,000+ construction-related jobs during most of the build-out period and the Convergence Facilities, and

v  Consideration of developing a Regional Performing Arts Center within the Convergence Prject

Financial Benefits: Depending on the specific alternative, full build-out of The Sacramento Convergence programs is anticipated to provide up to:

v  An estimated gross value up to $4 billion for the entire program, of which $3 billion is directly attributed to construction

v  An annual injection of approximately $1 billion to the Greater Sacramento Region’s economy

v  Creation of approximately 12,000 direct permanent jobs, 20,000 indirect jobs and many more induced jobs throughout the GSR

v  Property tax revenue estimated to be up to $39 million per year, and

v  Sales tax revenue generated (exclusive of the ESC and Cal Expo operations) estimated to be in excess of $20 million annually

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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There may be some typos in there

Let me know if any of them needs clarification. I can always go back to the text and look it up.

I don’t see as many details as maybe we all would like but I think if we add this to what we already know, we have a fairly good picture of the what this idea is all about.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Kudos to you for doing this, Ed!

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the strong effort!

An intriguing read…

Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.

by doogman77 on Jan 15, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

This post has no point

But to say, REC’D!

I already printed this out, and am goingto sit with my planning and development team tomorrow to revew the proposal. Shoot, I’m sure I cam find some marketing code to bill the hours to.

Time well spent, well done!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 14, 2010 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

That's my problem, right there.

I do not have a planning and development team.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Great job

The plan seems great, if this fails there may not be any hope.

by SKanthony on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

Here is your stimulus money-
Immediate creation of approximately 300 direct professional and technical jobs to design the project plus an additional 150 indirect jobs
Creation of 5,000+ construction-related jobs during most of the build-out period and the Convergence Facilities, and
Consideration of developing a Regional Performing Arts Center within the Convergence Prject

Brilliantly written for Federal consumption- damn these NBA guys are good..

No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.

-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)

by jjham15 on Jan 14, 2010 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

Its a brilliant idea.

Old Arco may not be suitable for Sports or many other events but its FAR superior as a main venue for the pathetic State Fair and should be good for Decades. At the same time it revitalizes downtown and the new development in the railyards site all at once
- AND lets the also obsolete and ugly Cal Expo site be developed for profit. Capitalism at its very very best.

I’m stunned.

So JUST SAY NO! Its the new American way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

After reading the proposal, I think I see some interesting tidbits.

Obviously the NBA is trying to get a stadium built here but I see a lot of language about the ESC and very little solid planning for the other facilities. I hate to ask the question but is it possible the NBA comes in, gets the stadium built and then packs it in and goes home?

I like the light rail system idea that connects Downtown, Natomas and the airport.

An indoor theme park seems a little pie in the sky but you never know.

The people who wrote the proposal did a great job of providing historical perspective like the constant relocation of Cal Expo which must be aimed at a specific opposition group.

An unprecedented and privately-financed viable means to develop a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex without new taxes

 A substantial economic stimulus for the Greater Sacramento Region, Central Valley, and state without a tax increase.

No new taxes twice and the word stimulus all in 2 sentences.

Good stuff here but I need to dig in a little deeper into things like 30 year leases that end with the “public partners” (us) gaining control of 2- 30 year old facilities.

No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.

-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)

by jjham15 on Jan 14, 2010 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

I replied to your email btw.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 14, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And I replied to yours.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I replied to this comment.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 1:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And now I to yours.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

No I didn’t!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea huh!

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

As far as light rail

I know RT has had an airport extension in their plans for some time. They’ve just been hosed on the financial side.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the money is now in the loop from stimulus funds

but I may be mistaken.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember a few years back a lot of people unhappy because the line was going to run down Truxel.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

They'll get use to it like everything else.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no!

One of the 8 lanes of Truxel will get used by light rail?! Where will the poor cars go?

by DustyG on Jan 18, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Eddie you're awesome

Thanks, again, mayne.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 12:05 AM PST reply actions  

I really like this proposal

And think that this could go a long way to keeping the Kings in Sacramento. Kevin Johnson will be my hero if that happens. Funding a new arena without public funding and creating that many new jobs and development? It almost sounds like it would be stupid not to do.

And thanks a bazillion for posting this Ed, I know it must have taken a while to re-write the thing word for word.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

Here's the part that remains somewhat mysterious.
The public entity (City, State, and possibly the County or other jurisdictions) will partner with the private firm to facilitate revenues streams which will offset the annual finance payments in conjunction with the lease payments from the facilities tenants.

“facilitate revenue streams”? That’s the kind of language that will get the anti-tax folks up in arms. But I guess the “revenue streams” referred to here include the Cal Expo sale proceeds and development profits…? It’s a little vague. Then again, I do not get the impression that this plan was just slapped together in the past week.

I’ll take their “no tax” pledge at face value. They must know it’s a non-starter. (Not that it matters to me on a personal level. I voted ‘yes’ on Q and R.)

by corbin on Jan 15, 2010 12:53 AM PST reply actions  

I would also vote for a tax

But thats cause I’m a diehard Kings fan. The last thing I want is for a vote for public financing to happen because it will most likely fail.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I am a diehard " We need something new and bright and shiny in Sacramento fan"

Kings are good too

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, bond issuance...

this is coming into focus a bit more now.

by corbin on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

They're trying to do what the Nets did

Intersting.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

i was half heartedly

looking for somehting like this yesterday. Thanks!

Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!

by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait a second...

Am I looking at this wrong, or is the new complex not actually in the railyards, but on the opposite side of I-5, in the crook between US50 & I-5? I mean, the drawing indicates that all of this is well south of the Tower Bridge.

But, you know, it’s pretty and all.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right

That doesn’t make sense.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I have been duped.

Where do I punch in my checking account number to permit this to post?

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

This is the design for a complex ‘by-the’river.’ It’s a nice design and they had a nice presentation about revitalizing that area.

I think their financing idea was that “equity something” were people buy seats (like Cal did for their stadium I believe). Someone correct the wording if needed.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 15, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Like personal seat licenses?

The Raiders did that – not sure how that would go over these days.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe so

It has a specific name and people have talked about it before here.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 15, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I read about that in the paper a couple months back

Like people spend tens of thousands of dollars on season tickets for really good seats for so many years and that money goes to building an arena.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a completely diff proposal..Relax and the the flame show you the way

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Whitey is on KHTK this morning

Just incessantly whining about this plan. He’s caught up in the traffic problem inherent in a downtown arena, and has been beating the drum for a Natomas arena for as long as I can remember.

Problem is, he just brushes over the near-impossible financing issues involved in putting an arena there. By the time those issues are cleared up (aka there is more money out there available to finance the project), the Kings would likely be gone.

He’s correct in that a deal like this, with so many moving parts, is still a longshot to get finished. You’ve got multiple interests involved, and if any of them decides to walk, you’re back to the drawing board. But that’s kind of where we are at this point – if an arena’s going to be built in Sacramento, this is the kind of creative financing you’re going to need.

As to the traffic issue, I think that’s been overblown on both the Expo and downtown locations. People will find a way to make it work. They’ll car pool, take public transit (such as it is) or deal with the traffic. Sacramento wouldn’t be the first city to have to work out those issues.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

I heard it too Otis

I was upset – he kept talking about Natomas and that this plan was too complicated.

Total irritating nonsense.
1 – There is not a plan to put a 3rd ARCO Arena in Natomas. He is talking about what he wants, not what is proposed. Does he have a plan with financing? No he does not. Assinine
2 – The plan is too complicated? For who? him? Again, why is this important?

Instead of rejoicing that there IS a plan with many interested parties devoting time, money and hope that has many incentives for a good many investors (some one has to pay for it), it helps the image and future of the entire Greater Sacramento region, it cleans up the wasted space that has been the railyards all because he doesn’t see how it works is disappointing. These guys should be promoting its virtues not dismissing it outright. Numbnad.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, the problem I had

Is he kept bitching about how complicated the plan was, and why there couldn’t be something more “simple”. Well, I don’t think “simple” is going to be available for the next decade or so. Might as well get used to any feasible plan being pretty damn complicated.

I wonder if he thinks all these intelligent people who have been looking for an arena solution in Sacramento have been presented with a simple Natomas option, but have decided “nah, let’s make this impossibly complicated”.

It’s just dumb – and Whitey’s not usually so dense.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Whitey is a sports "Talk" jock, his whole stick is creating controversy to get people to call in

he’d rather have you call in and argue with him, then have to come up with 4 hours of things to say every day.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmm...ok

Been listening to Whitey for years, and although that show has been painful the last few years, he never seemed like the instigating type.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You want his job Sims. : )

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell yes

We could use you back on the air. Why haven’t you invested your millions in a new alternative station?

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, first of all, if I had millions, I'd do something more interesting with it than buy a radio station.

Although at the rate radio companies are filing bankruptcy, any of us might be able to buy a decent signal for about 30 bucks in the next five years.

The radio property bubble ran from ‘96 til about ’04, and almost everyone overpaid by factors of 2 and 3. I used to think the kind of multi-billion dollar debt they were running up was a lot of money until 2008. Oh, and then they all invested hundreds of millions in HD radio, which no one cares about, and doubles a station’s electricity bill each month. But at least they have a competitive model for satellite radio. Which, incidentally, has also never made a dime.

Anyway, look at the person on your left. Now look at the person on your right. By the time you finish reading this, not one of you will even be thinking about buying an HD radio.

But I digress. Go ESC!

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Its the State we need to be worried about

I think the other parties sound like they’re completely on board.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

Is the State even involved?

The Cal Expo Commission controls the Expo property, the City controls the rail yard property , and the Kings own the Natomas property. If they can get an invester to build it in exchange for the Expo property, what would the State be involved.

I haven’t read much just the short version, so I was just wondering what I’m missing.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but controlled by the Expo Commission and not the senate.

that’s why they could do the original Expo deal on their own.

27freethrows just posted an analysis, and it looks like the deal doesn’t call for the developer to build any structures for the new fair grounds in Natomas. So, I guess the money for that would have to come from the state.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

State or Federal gov.

There is a lot of Federal cash available for this type of project right now.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the awesome work, ed

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