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Feasability of the Sacramento Convergence

(If you're at all interesting in the Kings arena saga, please read this. Big thanks from the site to edm7 for getting ahold of the plan Thursday night. -- TZ)

First off, a BIG shout out to edm7 for taking the time to type out the proposal in his FanPost.  If you haven't read it, I recommend taking 5 minutes to get familiar.  There is a lot of good information that I wont cover below.

First thing after the jump, I'll break down different parts of the proposal, followed by my always biased personal opinion.  This is a extremely carefully worded proposal, and did not get thrown together in a week or two.  I'll try to point out some of the intricacies and reasoning behind them.

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The proposal project, known as The Sacramento Convergence, solves the ongoing issue of funding an entertainment arena complex by utilizing the Performance Based Infrastructure statute adopted by the California Legislature and signed by the Governor in 2009.

Emphasis mine.  The developers are planning on using the above mentioned statute, which has already been approved (and budgeted for), to pay for the parts the government needs to fund.  This is important right at the beginning.  Private financing will pay for part of it, and the part that needs public financing has already been approved.  That means no vote is necessary, no new government bills which removes several tough hurdles toward public financing.

The Performance Based Infrastructure (aka Public Service Partnership) approach used in The Sacramento Convergence is one in which a private partnership designs, builds, finances, and maintains the facilities and lease them to the users for a fixed term.

This is what makes the proposal different, and in my opinion more feasible, than all of the others.  Basically, the investors will pay for the new arena and in exchange for ownership (and maintenance etc) they will pocket all of the profit for 30 years or whatever fixed term is agreed upon.

The public entity (City, State, and possibly the County or other jurisdictions) will partner with the private firm to facilitate revenues streams which will offset the annual finance payments in conjunction with the lease payments from the facilities tenants. After the fixed term (30 years) the ownership of the facility transfers from the "private partner" to each project’s respective "public partner."

This is the developer asking for an agreement with the city promising that events outside of basketball will be held at the new arena, and profits from those events will go to the developer.  Once the 30 years is up, then complete ownership of the building and its proceeds will be transferred to the city.  The concept being that those 30 years of proceeds will pay the investment group back for the cost of construction.

The Sacramento Convergence program includes redevelopment of the existing Cal Expo site and remaining property downtown to mixed urban/ suburban land uses complementing the character of their surrounding areas. Monetizing the increased value from the redevelopment of these existing siteswill provide equity capital assistance to the PBI financing process, while achieving highest and best land uses for the redevelopment sites.

Again, emphasis mine.  This is where the money is really made.  The arena is one thing, but a few hundred acres of land at current value, to be developed at its future value is huge.  To clarify, the Expo land will be paid for at its 2010 value, and then developed at its value in the future.  Big BIG money to be made there.

This program also provides an opportunity for the State to developa state-of-the-art Cal Expo facility on the existing Arco Arena site in North Natomas.

This is the first "iffy" thing in the proposal.  The developer is not going to spend a penny to build the new fairgrounds, and the proposal carefully dances around the subject that the fairgrounds doesn't have to be built, but there is an opportunityto build it.  I hinted on this in my post yesterday, but for this to happen the Kings have to start construction on their new stadium, but the Expo doesn't have to move.

Such a new facility couldincorporate year-round attractions, thus increasing visitors and revenue streams that would allow Cal Expo to function with even greater financial stability in a new facility. The existing Arco Arena couldbe recycled/ renovated to create an exhibit hall for Cal Expo, repurposing the structure in accordance with sustainable urban design principles. As in the downtown core, private mixed-used development couldbe incorporated by the state into the land planning of the North Natomas site to augment the potential new Cal Expo facility and create and even greater attraction and success.

Ifthe state does develop a new Cal Expo facility in North Natomas

Italics by me.  Notice how "can" and "will" have shifted to "could" and "if".  This are just ideas are recommendations to the city/state, but are in no way part of the deal.  The developer is giving the opportunity to do those things to the city, but they aren't doing any of it.

The existing Cal Expo site in Point West will be entirely redeveloped to mixed urban/ suburban land uses, incorporating the latest techniques for sustainable planning, design, and construction

And we're back to "will".  Why, because as I noted above, the redevelopment of the Expo property is where money will be made.  The proposal doesn't state whether they will develop homes, retail, or a mix of the above as they will develop whatever the current economy proves to be most profitable.

An unprecedented and privately-financed viable means to develop a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex without new taxes

A substantial economic stimulus for the Greater Sacramento Region, Central Valley, and state without a tax increase

 Those are the first 2 benefits outlined in their plan.  They know who their audience is, and they know taxes is a primary concern of everyone.

The three sites combined will accommodate between 4.300 and 8,500 housing units (plus appropriate affordable housing units), dispersing the housing to all three sites, thus lessening the stress on the success of ongoing housing revitalization programs in the current downtown and midtown locations
Immediate creation of approximately 300 direct professional and technical jobs to design the project plus an additional 150 indirect jobs

 Creation of 5,000+ construction-related jobs during most of the build-out period and the Convergence Facilities

An annual injection of approximately $1 billion to the Greater Sacramento Region's economy

Creation of approximately 12,000 direct permanent jobs, 20,000 indirect jobs and many more induced jobs throughout the GSR

Here are the talking points for politicians to use to sell the project to the public.

 Property tax revenue estimated to be up to $39 million per year

Sales tax revenue generated (exclusive of the ESC and Cal Expo operations) estimated to be in excess of $20 million annually

And that's why the politicians will be selling it to you.  Development brings money in to government more than anything else.

After reviewing the proposal with the head of development in my office, the first thing he wanted to talk about was the private financing.  The proposal could be extremely profitable and lucrative, but it is going to take a TON of up front funding.  As in hundred of millions liquid assets.  So I Googled "Kamilos Companies" and couldn't find anything special.  I couldn't find anything that separated them from the generic developer.  Then I Googled "Macquarie Capital".  These guys arent messing around.  Its a major international investment group.  First check out the "about us" section on their webapge, then do some advance google searches.  This is how the extremely rich get extremely richer. 

Having said all that, do I think it'll happen?  I've got to say, it's got a chance.  There are tons of wrinkles to get ironed out, but you can tell they approached their proposal by first evaluating why other proposals have failed.  There is hope in this plan.  Lets keep our fingers crossed.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Thanks 27ft

This is exactly the kind of analysis many of us need to see to understand such a complex undertaking.

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by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Awesome analysis 27

I really hope a deal like this is made, if only because it has some serious legs to stand upon finally.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

Great post.

I’m sure we’ll see both sides of this tossed around a lot. And like all deals, what shakes out of the bottom will likely not be exactly what went in the top. But it’s awesome to see this kind of analysis on STR first.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
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by SavageBeast on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

That's because the dynamics of StR work differently than anywhere else

Because of the diverse level of readership you’re likely to find a different view of this than anywhere else.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess the one thing I wonder about on rereading

is the investment group making all the money from the arena and leasinf it to the Maloofs. Wasn’t revenue—especially from other events and parking—not going to the Maloofs part of what killed the last deal?

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by SavageBeast on Jan 15, 2010 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

Maloofs being cut out of all but basketball revenue, was my first thought too.

and what if any fees would the Maloofs have to pay to use the facility. But, since the NBA seems to be supporting it, maybe they made them a good offer, and don’t want to make that public yet.

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by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Between the propsoal and the Bee article today....

I picked this little bit out:

The NBA’s Moag said the development group, including the Kings, would seek to buy Cal Expo from the state, then donate the land at and around Arco Arena to the state to relocate the state fairgrounds.

The Maloofs will be riding the coat tails of the heavy hitters. They may also be part of the “cash investors” for the stadium itself.

Here is another point from the Bee:

Part of the Arco site is owned by the city, and part by the Kings. Moag said a $70 millon loan the Kings owe the city would be retired in the deal but did not offer details.

So the Kings get their stadium and out from under the loan they owe the city. 300 million over 30 years – 70 million up front sounds like a pretty good deal here. The Kings shouls have more liquidity to build a team worthy of the new digs.

I read this statement differently than 27FT:

The public entity (City, State, and possibly the County or other jurisdictions) will partner with the private firm to facilitate revenues streams which will offset the annual finance payments in conjunction with the lease payments from the facilities tenants. After the fixed term (30 years) the ownership of the facility transfers from the “private partner” to each project’s respective “public partner.”

This is in regards to the amenities surrounding the Arena like restaurants, shops, condos, theme park etc., also the lease back of the Cal Expo property that will take place until a new fair grounds is complete at the Arco site. The Maloofs will have a lease on the building for 300 million, there is no way that this lease only covers some 50 days of the year. With the Arco property being turned over, the stadium will have to house a new training, practice facility, medical center and other basketball specific amenities that the Maloofs will want full control over. The Kings can’t break even by just selling tickets to the Kings games- concession, parking, high end restaurants within the stadium etc. should be part of the leasing aspect IMO.

Great insight 27. If I’m off base, feel free to light me up.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus it sounds like the Maloofs would be partners in the development of the current Expo site

which sounds like the real cash cow in this whole deal. I’m suspicious as well of the Maloofs supporting something that doesn’t make them money, but their quiet support at this point leads me to believe that they’ll get theirs somehow, while giving the public the impression that they’re making big concessions.

Maybe the State and City will agree to allow them to put a casino on the river… crap, that’s not a bad idea…

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a great idea.

I would love to drown my sorrows with a good 4 hour bender at the black jack tabnle following a Kings loss.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Ticket sales down, but blackjack revenue is up 400%, to hell with the rebuild

and trade Martin for expiring.

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by HighTops on Jan 16, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like the Aussies want to own Sac-town.

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by Ice_9ine on Jan 15, 2010 1:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

OY! OY! !OY

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by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No, they want to use our economic downturn to buy up large sections of previously untouchable realestate at a discounted rate...

Wait out the tail spin and turn it for a monster profit. During the interim, they will collect lease payments from the Maloofs and CalExpo to off-set the interest payments. With this deal comes a sweet heart deal regarding parceling and zoning of the Cal Expo property, allowing them to build what ever the F they want or to sell it to whom ever they want.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

what a bunch of prison-colony descendants!

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Jan 15, 2010 2:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ding ding ding!

Yah, you seem to understand how all this works.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 15, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

*DOUCHE*

Put that in your juice box and suck it

by ianeriley on Jan 16, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

What in my above statement is douchey?

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he is just the Douche guy like beer man and his burps.

I’m confused also 27.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

He's mad because...

I called him a douche in last nights post game thread. He made a comment saying that we are only playing Martin to showcase him for a trade. I stand by my point, I think that idea is stupid.

I just wonder if he even read my FanPost, or just ran in here to call me a douche. I assume the latter, which says more about him than anything I could respond.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

*DOUCHE*

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by Aykis16 on Jan 16, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

Love it.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

As opposed to?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, for situations like this, I prefer

“Douché.”

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Well played.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

still, i love capitalism

I would rather this happen than our taxes to increase.

The Maloofs are smart. Most of them anyways. I don’t think they are going to let themselves get cut out of any ways to make money.

Maybe they’re planning on getting a share in the redevelopment of the current Expo grounds. Or maybe the plan on selling the team in a few years.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Jan 15, 2010 2:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It sounds like they would get a share in the redevelopment of the current Expo site

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent analysis, just another reason I love this site.

There are a bunch of clever, um, what’s the word? People. Clever people who can really break complex things down for the rest of us, both on the court and off.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

That was just how the ward staff explained it to me so i could understand.

I don’t like the Governor or any other Australians, and I hope they build the Arena in Folsom so that I can go sometimes when they take the group out.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd. Thanks for the analysis

I like that the revenue streams are being outlined. No one invests this money without the almost guaranteed chance that they can reap reasonable profit for their risk.

IMO, many in this state have gotten so used to having everything done for them at no expense to themselves they get greedy for more. This looks like a very progressive idea and again, I can only imagine the money already invested on the proposal.

 I expect people to downgrade this only to hear themselves complain. Yes, there will be problems but any and all sites would have issues. I want for the Maloofs to make money on the deal and keep the team here. I want for the downtown eye sore that is the railyards to be fixed up and made into a Sports complex and entertainment center with restaurants, hotels and a nearby public transportation stop. It all sounds exciting.

I will add, this is an “all the eggs in the basket” deal for the NBA. If this proposal goes down with it go the chances of the Kings staying in Sacramento. I have no doubt that David Stern and the NBA will say – look we gave this our best shot, and it was a good shot, it just couldn’t happen. Let’s find the Kings a new home."

by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

Great Info 27ft and JJ

It’s starting to sound like the King’s will not be leaving SacTown. Hooray!

Also, I wonder if the Maloofs selling the beer distribution/Monarchs means that they have more money to spend in the investment side of this deal?

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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 15, 2010 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

I doubt it

But it certainly doesn’t hurt anything either.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to imagine that recent development and this one are wholly unrelated.

I’m all for the Maloofs making a pile of money, but especially when they have made it by making a long-term investment in the community. I hope everything envisioned happens, and the family makes out like bandits. Everyone gets what they want.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Word.

Gambling is boring.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh...yah.....me too.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say it had to be that way for everyone. Jeesh. You're a hater.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

*DOUCHE*

Put that in your juice box and suck it

by ianeriley on Jan 16, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, I get it now.

“Douche”. Well done.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

As do I.

Now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Accessories around the rooms pool don't look boring

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by HighTops on Jan 16, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kobe beef meatloaf in the coffee shop is incredible.

Worth a trip in.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Meatloaf you say?

I would of thought it would’ve more like a hot dog.

by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Great analysis

The only problem I see is that the new fair grounds are only an IF and there would be a loss of the Expo and with no fair ground being built unless a broke government would do it. Which given fiscal matters, they won’t. So, that may be a sticking point.

by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

Then what would happen to the County exhibits?

Sweet merciful God… WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTY EXHIBITS!?!?

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There is county exhibits at Cal Expo?

Is that what I’m missing by never going?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally I don't care about that stuff

However, a lot of people do. There would have to be some guarantee of a new fairground being built.

by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Which is why I won’t feel totally comfortable with this whole thing until I hear more from the State side of this that they like what they see as well.

“Governor Schwarzenegger, this is Mayor Johnson. He’ll be kissing your ass for the next couple of months. Enjoy.”

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

And we'll have a new governor in 12 months.

It may behoove you to find out where the candidates stand on this plan. The party primaries are less than 6 months away…

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

but I figured that the important thing is going to be having firm details and commitments from all pertinent parties by March (which Mayor Johnson has circled as his “this is what we’re gonna do” date), and then if we’re moving forward with this plan then the ball is going to be rolling and well on it’s way by the time there’s a new driver of this shit train. Not that it won’t matter who the new Governor is, but I think the most crucial time for this plan is the rest of this year.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Fairgrounds....

Having the fairgrounds is a privilege that the Governator has already threatened to sell off to pay his make-up costs. The people have very little say in this matter. This is a business transaction that could reap huge benefits for the people. Either way, I don’t really see anyone tearing up Cal Expo until after the ESC is complete and the Kings have a new pad.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 15, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

As has been mentioned earlier, and elsewhere

There’s a good chance Federal Stimulus funding could be used to build the new fair/expo center. It fits the the Stimulus package like a glove.

But, I too would feel more comfortable with some stronger assurances that this sort of funding is available.

Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.

by doogman77 on Jan 15, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Something I'm wondering about the Federal Stimulus money

I know there’s a shit-ton of Federal Stimulus money earmarked to be spent this year (more than last year, I’ve heard), but what about beyond that? Don’t the feds only want to spend the money on “shovel ready” projects? Isn’t it overly optimistic to think that they’d start building a new expo in Natomas this year? Would they need to start building this year in order to get the Fed money? Anyone here work for the Treasury Department?

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They could easily use the city owned 100 acres adjacent to Arco to start the process now.

Arco can be developed later and the current parking lot can support both the fair and the arena traffic for now if this is how the state wants to work this deal.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing is being built at Natomas this year

The Railyards has to be done and the Kings fully moved in before a single shovel of dirt gets turned over at Natomas. It’s a 3-step process, and as I understand it, each piece has to be completed before the next begins. Staggering it makes the most sens, and also keeps a steady stream of construction in Sacramento for years, which means jobs like crazy.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 16, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Bingo.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Your probably correct here.

There will be plenty of stimulus money next year I assume. I wonder how long it would take to build the downtown arena?

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

To give you an idea

The American Airlines Center in Dallas broke ground in September of 1999 and officially opened July 17 of 2001. So probably around 2 years.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 16, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Did they tear down Reunion Arena to build the AA in Dallas?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Nevermind

I’ll find out.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

pookey they barely tore the reunion arena

so in a word, no.

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by tomkanti on Jan 19, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well done 27.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

A breakdown worthy, methinks.

rec’d

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

Everything everybody wants...

…and nothing they don’t.

1. Clan Maloof gets the new arena, along with the improved revenue stream therein.
2. The NBA gets long-term stability where the Kings franchise is concerned.
3. Sacramento gets a major parcel of the Railyards area filled in – with a major gravitational force to boot.
4. The citizens get (theoretically) no new taxes taken out of their collective pocket in order to pay for this project.
5. A large chunk of dated architecture and land use gets plowed under and redeveloped into something more in line with the surrounding Point West area.

I honestly did not think that anyone in MetroSac could come up with something of a scope that is this far-reaching; it certainly has not been in the past pedigree of Sacramento to even envision projects on this scale.

I’m still looking for the trap doors in this project, but for the life of me, I can’t find them – and being a cynical SOB, I’m usually pretty good at finding trap doors in things like this.

I suppose the major stumbling block for this project will be its sheer level of balls that may well make some people intuitively react to the negative.

It is to be hoped that both the NBA and Clan Maloof will collectively – and publicly – get behind at least one of the proposals (even this one apparently has taken over much of the discussion).

+1 analysis by 27.

by SierraSpartan on Jan 15, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions  

For as poorly as they played for most of that half

They closed out the second quarter nicely (how rare is that?). And they have themselves in decent position.

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by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

Gah!

Wrong window. Too much StR going on at this time!

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Ultra-reply fail

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol nice Otis!

I was heading to the game thread but I got sidetracked here.

by mayfieldcol on Jan 15, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's cuz I'm soft

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by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That's because Otis drums in backward rhythm.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

the Bene Gesserit rite.

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Frank Herbert, Dune

by SeattleRoyalty on Jan 16, 2010 7:37 AM PST reply actions  

Man -

What effort. Rec’d, 27FT.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

Proof that being in Socal doesn't make you completely worthless.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Off topic but....

NBATV (directv channel 216) is currently showing Regal FC Barcelona vs. Montepaschi starring Ricky Rubio if anyone is interested in seeing the almost could have been King. The game started at 10 and goes to 12. Thank you Sam Amick for the heads up via Twitter.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

My only concern

is that the bew arena is so big that it will be more like a cathedral so the fans won’t be as loud. In my mind, that is part of the fun with Arco Arena is that it’s made in such a way that the fans can be really loud. If we take that factor away, Sacramento becomes just another arena to play in.

by eaglezuke on Jan 16, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

If they build it along the lines of the Conseco Field House

in Indy, this won’t be an issue. They did a great job of building that place and maintaining the “collegiate” feel.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

My biggest concern is that the Kings will end up gettting a substandard arena

There’s no point in not building the best spanking arena possible. No matter what, at some point the arena will lose it’s luster.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no doubt the Kings will get a great facility

I doubt they’ll make it much bigger than the current ARCO to keep that close knit feel we have, but the amenities and design will be much more modern.

I just want the darn thing built already.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 16, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe I read that the plan is for a 19,000 seat arena

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 16, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

That’s actually pretty big. STAPLES center’s max capacity is 18,997

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by Aykis16 on Jan 16, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope we don't build our like theirs.

I saw the Kings play there in 2002, I’d have sworn it held 25000, I was so far away from the court. It’s a gorgeous facility, but in terms of watching a game, an inferior experience to Arco.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 16, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Staples is great for the mezzanine and the team store, but the sight lines inside the arena suck.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice work... 27 and 1...

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

Brilliant.

There are so many advantages in this plan. It boggles the mind somewhat. Kudos Australia! I’m reminded of the AT&T Ballpark model that basically turned SoMA and all things south of Pier 39 into something happening (mostly). At cost! Within a couple of years, the Giants are going to be rolling in money to an extent that most sports franchises can only imagine. Hopefully the Kings get there one day…

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Jan 16, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

The fact is that the Giants also benefitted from having Barry Bonds keep the butts in the seats all the time too.

It’s a bit different dynamic, but hopefully this works well for all concerned.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That works great for us -

We have Sergio Roid-riguez.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Leave it to a Giants fan.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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